 Many, if not most, or all of our chronic health issues, come from the following. Our environments have radically changed, meanwhile, our bodies have not. What does that mean? For most of human history, modern humans have lived a particular way. Then, all of a sudden, radically, everything changed. Okay, so what do you do with this information? Look to the past. Often times, if you live more like the ways we evolve to live, you'll solve a lot of your health problems. This includes nutrition, activity, sleep, and more. Again, it's not 100%, but it's pretty damn close. Live the way humans lived for thousands and thousands of years, or at least look for the answers there, and you'll probably find them. Not to counter that great message. But do you think that what we're experiencing in the last, I'd say, I don't know, 30 years or so, like Moore's Law, and how fast everything is evolving and changing, that we as a species will actually speed up our ability to adapt to the changing environment and the changing things that we throw at it? Part of why we are riddled with chronic disease right now, part of why there's an obesity epidemic is because we introduced these processed foods not that long ago and over consumed my crazy and we haven't given our bodies enough time to adapt to this bullshit. Do you think there is light at the end of the tunnel or an optimistic view of our bodies resiliency and ability to adapt? Not from an evolutionary standpoint, because we also have simultaneously figured out how to keep ourselves alive, not healthy, but alive long enough to procreate. So the way it would have worked in the past was something changed in the environment. Let's say we live in a tribe and all of a sudden we all have to migrate to a place that's cloudy. Well, all the darker skinned people are probably not going to be able to survive or procreate because darker skinned people take a lot more sunlight to produce the same vitamin D. So what's left over are people with very light skin. But that means that the people who didn't fit the new environment didn't procreate and died. Now we do a very good job of keeping people alive. So the evolutionary pressures are not the same. Also the environment is changing so radically and so quickly. I don't think we can evolve that quickly. I think what's probably look, I'm also not making the argument that we should live in caves and do all that. Because I know that that's the argument that people will make like, oh, okay, well, I guess we should live in caves and throw rocks. No, no, no, but there's a lot of answers there. For example, you're probably better off eating a diet that is more like the way that we evolved it. You're probably better off sleeping in the same ways we slept back, you know, thousands of years ago where we went down when the sun went down, we came up when the sun went up. We weren't constantly under electric lights, activity, social connection, all that stuff. And that's what we're discovering is like we've modified our environment so much. It doesn't match our bodies and our brains and our psyche. And so we have all these chronic health issues that just now we're just now starting to realize, oh, this is because we're living in ways that our bodies didn't evolve or maybe we're designed to live. Yeah, we used to rely on genes mutating and then that would require a lot of the population to die off and then this new generation to pass on these new genes and, you know, said and so forth. But yeah, we've done a better job of keeping like almost everybody alive in terms of like interventions and health care. But I think the only way like the adaptation process might play a different factor in the future is when they get even crazier with this gene editing and all that kind of stuff. But obviously for what we can control to the message, what we've learned from all of the generations preceding us, that's the stuff that's held, you know, the most amount of time in terms of like best practices to keep us healthy for thousands of years. So why not pay attention to that? Okay, so then the next question is then, okay, if that this is true and I agree with you, that our bodies probably will not be able to adapt to the changing environment we are now. Does the continued rise in all the chronic issues that we have in our society, is it enough? And at what point is it enough to push us in the direction of realizing like, oh, like maybe we will cut out some of these electronics. Maybe we will stop eating a lot of this processed foods. Maybe we will challenge our body in hot and cold temperatures and not try and regulate the temperature perfect all time. Maybe we will choose to walk instead of right around on these scooters, like, do we do that and do as a whole society? Because obviously there's subsets of small groups of people that live that way or think this way, right? And Amish would be an example of that. Do we all start to move that way? Do we start to reject some of the, you know, technological things that continue to move forward, you know, according to Moore's law? Or do we continue to adopt it until it just destroys? I don't know about reject, but we probably will direct them differently. Like there's lots of evidence that shows that as societies become more modern and we meet our basic needs, like food, shelter, water, and we become more wealthy, then we start to focus on problems that are more distant from us. So it's like nobody cares about the, you know, ozone layer when I don't have food to feed. So I'm just going to burn charcoal and dung and I'm going to do whatever I can to, you know, provide food for myself and my family. But past a certain point when things are, all these basic needs are met, then we start to look at other things. Okay, well, we should probably worry about the ozone layer. We should probably worry about these other things. And then there's, there are some success stories like, you know, leaded gasoline, right? We figured out that that was bad for us and we took out the lead out of gas and cigarettes. It's another big one. I was going to bring up cigarettes. Yeah, like, yeah, we've learned a lot from just, you know, seeing how that circulated through the population and how we've had to kind of manage and regulate. Yeah. Meanwhile, do you know how many people still smoke cigarettes? Oh, a lot. Yeah, there's a lot. Yeah, but they're educated like a lot. A lot. A smaller percentage of the population, at least in like America, for example, it's declined. Oh, I mean, just America. We're talking about the world though right now. Give me the numbers on that deck. I actually saw, you know, I watched, you know, in China, I wonder, I think like one out of every three or two. Bro, it's ridiculous. It's actually considering what we know. That's what, that's why I find this an interesting conversation and discussion is because even as much as we know about that. Like it's like one of the single things that you could either. The highest factor for any kind of like disease or cancer. Give me the stats though. If you use a smoker. Well, you know, you know, China wasn't, not that long ago was very poor. They literally just came out of extreme poverty. So I would predict if they were able to continue, you know, becoming wealthier, which people argue, you know, that things like cigarette smoking will start to decline. What does that say, Doug? Okay, so there's some countries. I don't even know how to pronounce them and I'm not familiar with them. They're up in around the 50% range. Myanmar is the first country I recognize at 45.5%. Half the people smoke. And in that case, yeah, the rate of male smoking is a little bit higher than females. Right, risky. France actually is way up there at 34.6%. Male, female, almost the same. I'm seeing big countries that we, you know, China, which I find interesting, like, for example, another big country would be the United States, 25%. You know why I don't like the U.S. as an example, Sal, even though you're going to go there? Is because these are things that we can measure because we, they're not measuring the black market. And I bet you there's still a massive black market because of the amount of taxation and regulation that's been put around cigarettes. That always drives a black market. So for whatever percentage we went down in smoking as Americans say, like in the last say decade or two, I would argue that the black market also significantly increased in that. It did, but people smoke way less, dude. I mean, I agree because you could go places I remember as a kid compared to right now. I don't need stats to see that. I'm not saying that it's the same or more. And it's also like, I remember in Italy when I was a kid, I was 12 and I went there and everybody was smoking. At the dinner table, people were smoking. My cousins got delivered by a smoke on the plane. My cousin got delivered. My cousin had a baby years ago, a long time ago, right? I don't know, 40 years ago. She had a baby in a hospital in Sicily and the doctor put his cigarette down to get the baby. So I mean, I mean, check this out though. So I also would be curious to see these stats. I just watched that documentary on Jewel. Oh, you did? Yeah. Yeah. It was good. It was just interesting because I didn't know about the whole trajectory of their story. I mean, the amount of millions and millions of people that were using vapes and e-cigs. So, okay, cigarette smoking decline, but then vaping came out. There wasn't even anybody who was vaping just 20 years ago. So it'd be interesting to see like... They advertised it as like a better alternative. Nicotine's obviously a better alternative. It'd have been worse. It'd have been worse. Yeah. I know. Because the nicotine hit, the story is really interesting how it all played out to you. But I mean, so I don't know. I don't know if we're going to get better or if we're just going to get a lot worse. I don't know. It's almost like we're... It's so sad to say this, but it's almost like we're so dumb of a species that we have to... A bunch of us really have to die off. Before we figure it out. Before we really... I know. Like it almost has to become this like crazy fear, you know, where it's like, oh my god, you're watching people die left and right in front of you. But again, look in Ebola or something. Yeah. But again, I don't want to, you know, obviously modern technology is amazing. I mean, the plague in Europe killed one third of the whole population. Yeah. Imagine that right now. One out of every three people dead from the plague. Now, if something like that happened now, we have medicines and drugs that will, you know, handle it. That was a bacterial infection. But generally speaking, right? So I'm not an extremist in that sense. I know there's people who are like, you know, you should wear animal furs that you kill yourself and have no electricity. I'm not saying that. I could see some of the value of that argument, but I think that's not just unrealistic, but I think modern life also has some good things. So I'm not saying any of that, but I think there's a lot of... It's a really good compass. It really is. Like you want to look at diet, right? If you're looking at diet, you don't know what to eat. There's all these diet books that are out there and all these different ways of eating. If you eat foods that are whole natural, you're 90% of the way there. Like foods that don't require... Right. Choose a food that you could have chose 80 years ago. Yeah. There's a simple way. Yeah. Right. You can only eat foods that we had. That existed 100 years ago. Absolutely. Yeah. That's a real easy way. Right. And even if you look at the foods that did exist 100 years ago, like let's look at beef, for example. Okay. So cows, they didn't eat grain. That's not a natural type of food for cows. Cows ate grass. That's what they naturally eat. It was later when we industrialized it and we realized if we pump them full grain that we could get so much more money per pound. That's right. Yeah. And they're just, they make some fatter. They gain weight faster. Yeah. But if you compare grass-fed beef to grain-fed beef, people make the argument, oh, the differences aren't that big. Well, yeah, with one meal. But if you eat beef, you know, three times a week or every day like I do, makes a difference. Do that over the course of five years, 10 years, 15, 20 years, the difference in fatty acids, the difference in nutrients, they make a difference. The fatty acid profile alone, grass-fed meat is not as inflammatory as grain-fed meat. I feel a huge difference when we first started working with butcher box. So butcher box was the first time I had consistent grass-fed meat. Before that, I'd go to the grocery store. I'd have to kind of search it out and it wasn't consistent. Now I'd say 80% of the beef that I eat is butcher box. So it's grass-fed. Yeah. I feel a difference. When I go on vacation or go somewhere and I don't eat grass-fed, I do feel more inflamed. Well, especially going through this kind of protocol, like Dr. Cabral's got me on. It's like everything I'm doing right now is to try to kind of reduce quite a bit of this inflammation internally. I totally feel that having any kind of different type of a steak if I'm out to eat. I've had a few when I've gone out to restaurants and I'm like, ooh, it's just one of those things. You just feel a little bit of that maybe lethargic kind of feeling. Yeah. It's hard to describe, but it's very distinctive. Yeah. You guys ever like game meat? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's like it almost energizes you. Yeah, dude. And it tastes different. Yeah. It's got a different flavor. Speaking of butcher box, have any of you guys done the skillet yet? Have you guys got it yet? I've done it. I like it. I like it. It comes old. It's already like potato, chicken, vegetables, right? Yeah. I think it's mainly potatoes and chicken. And I think bell peppers or onions are in there too or something like that. Yeah. And then they have some type of spices, kind of got a, I guess a Southwest flavor, if you will. Yeah. It's already seasoned up. I literally, I don't know how you get it. You just throw it in the pan? I throw it in an iron skillet and then crack two or three eggs on it and make burritos out of it. Oh, that's a great idea. Breakfast burritos at high protein because you got the chicken and you got the potatoes and then you got the egg in there and it's already, and it's quick. That's a great idea. And it's bomb. You probably could also throw that on rice. Oh yeah. You could make it a dinner. So you could turn it into like a, you know, a rice chicken type of stir-fry bowl or whatever. And it's that easy that all you have to do is cook the rice, throw it over there. Or I really enjoy it for breakfast. Speaking of rice and chicken, like every time Justin eats now, because you have the protocol. I feel suffocating. You got to fuck with me every time. Well, because every time he eats now, he eats what I eat now because he can't eat. I've encouraged it like everywhere I go. Like, and I just like accept it. You know, it's like, I told you my kids, like, it's just, it's just funny. I laugh because it's like, I look at it. I'm just like, oh yeah, that looks very familiar. Yeah. The same meal I had yesterday. What's your protocol? So are you taking antimicrobial herbs? Yep, antimicrobial herbs. And then avoiding the food toxins. You know, better reintroducing better bacteria and, you know, doing the whole SIBO protocol. So it's like, I mean, how many pills is that? Like, so there's, there's a good almost 10 to 12 pills in that regimen. And then you got to do like six before meal, like breakfast, and then you do six kind of like for dinner. And then you do all of the 12 pills or something before night. Are you experiencing any die off? Do you know what that, what that is? So is that like a feeling of like. So when you have like, when you're killing off the bad bacteria, because that's your antimicrobials, do that, right? They kill the bacteria. You get a little bloaty and farty. You can get the skin. Yes. I'm just trying to describe what's happening. You're just rushing. You blessed me earlier today. So I'm like, just. Bro, I'm like TMI. I get, listen, I get a lot of the jokes like before, but I wasn't like captain gas over here all the time. But man, it's like going through this. And there's some cleansing happening. So you get die off. Some people will feel irritable headaches. They'll get skin issues. It's called a hurt, hurt timer effect, I think. Yeah. Are you getting any of that? Or is it just like kind of like. I've kind of moving past it a bit. You noticed that at first. Yeah. But I did notice that. Yeah. Absolutely. So Aurelius, we did a protocol on him. Now we know why, by the way, his body was reacting because there was a mold. Yeah. But we did a protocol on him where we had cause because of the mold, his gut wasn't able to balance itself well. And so he had developed SIBO. You know, we did test it and all that. So we did an anti SIBO protocol. And it made him so irritable. He was just not himself. Wow. And it was the die off that was happening. Because his toxins. That's wild. That's great. That's like ammo for me, dude. Oh, dude. Yeah. Poor Courtney. She's been like, you are so angry these days. Like I can't have cheese. I can't have like. Dude, I can't even have like, like tomato. So you think of like sauces and like things I would normally have with that. Like, and I, I forgot that. There's so many of them like, oh yeah, I guess I shouldn't be eating that. Like eggs too. And I was like, oh, whoops. Like literally that's why you see just chicken and rice now because it's just like. Easy. That's how I, that's how I'm not going to mess that up. If you win, we'll let you know in the comment section. We also have a sale going on this month. Maps bands is half off and the hardgainer bundle of programs is also half off. You can find them both by clicking on the link at the top of the description below. All right. Back to the show. Hey, did this guy tell you that we're on a thread? Sal, me, Katrina and Jessica. And it's like our, you know, decorating thread. I would call it. The only time you say, hold on a second. Him and Jessica. That's the manliest thing I've ever heard you say. Listen, listen. The only reason why Katrina. The only reason why Katrina and I are not on there is because we weird for Jessica. Yeah. This is what they do. So excited about it. They send each other. I swear to God, this is true now. Okay. They send each other pictures of the rooms that they just organized or designed or a drawer that I organized or look at these new pillows I got or check out this new, you know, this drawer or this, whatever painting. Yeah. Literally. So we're talking last night. And I look at this and like, I sent her over like the updated room that we just had done, right? Which looks nice by the way. Yeah. Thank you. And so I sent that over and I knew she would appreciate it and see it. And then she's like, oh man, she's telling me like all the shit they're going through with the mold. Like, oh my God. She's like, yeah, the designer was supposed to come down, but I'm, I'm waiting until we do all stuff. And I said to her, I said, you know, if you were my wife, I'd let you just go buy all these stuff. I do. Shut up, man. He didn't say fuck off, bro. Oh man. You should just let you buy all new stuff. That's what you should do. I mean, what a headache you guys are having to go through with that, huh? Well, we're just being thorough because it would really be, it would be annoying if we. Oh yeah. If you moved and brought it, right? And brought it. Yeah. Popped it in the new place. I would lose my mind. So Jessica's being very thorough. With, you know, porous materials out, uh, non porous materials, cleaning them a particular way, not letting things touch each other. We're now imagine doing this with a house, two little kids, a teenage dog. I mean, it must feel like you guys are, uh, like a COVID protocol protocol, protocol meets your guys house type of deal. I feel like that's how she's doing it, man. She's like, she's handling 99% of it. I basically come home and she's like, what do you want me to do? Just move this thing. Now, are you also simultaneously running those airfields? Always. You are. Yeah. Ever since, ever since we moved in, I keep them on the whole time. You do. Yep. Just to make sure if there's anything in the air. I could, you know, I can smell it. I'm so sensitive to like smell and air. So with that, because I think my allergies makes me like hyper extensive. So when I run that air filter, I can. I can smell and feel a difference in the air. Is that so? Yeah. Like literally, I don't know if you can. Does it use ozone to purify or is it just a HEPA filter? Uh, I don't do that. I can smell ozone. It's just like this. I think there is no zone setting on this one anyway. There is. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's actually a bigger commercial version than that. I took that one of that company sent to us. So I have a big one. It's even. Where do you put it? It's the main room. I put it in my master. Okay. Yeah. I put it in my, but I mean, I keep the master. So I have air purifiers are like this big and I have them in every room. Okay. And what happens with a small air purifier is it just takes longer to circulate the air. Yeah. So I have one in pretty much every single room, just running low speed nonstop. But when we first moved in, I turned them on high speed. Yeah. So I try and crank mine in the day when the fan isn't annoying because it's loud. Like you crank it all the way up. I mean, it's like this thing are louder, right? When it's sucking all that. So I try in the daytime and I notice when I come home from work, I can like feel the difference and smell the difference in there. I don't know if it's like how to describe it, but I can actually tell a difference. I don't know if you could tell a difference. No, I can. Yeah. Yeah. You can, it smells cleaner. Yeah. For sure. Especially when you, you know, when you first move in and you got to move boxes and stuff is dusty. Well, you can really, I mean, the real selling point for me for using it is like you check the filter after you've been running that thing for like, and you see it. I know. Oh my God. That's all the shit. In fact, I need to go change the filters. Yeah. It's going to be all dog hair. Oh yeah. You see it. And you're like, and I don't even have my dogs anymore. So I can't imagine if I had them too. It would be way worse. Yeah. That's fine. Dude, I got to tell you guys, kids are hilarious, right? So my, my almost three year old, I went to the bathroom. And he follows me. I know your kids did, you know, when they were little years, your son does that too, right? We go to the bathroom and they're like, I'm coming with you. Like, all right, whatever dude. Yeah. So he comes in or with me, you know, I'm going to the bathroom, just chilling, sitting there. And then, you know, he looks at me and he goes, why are you taking so long? I'm like, huh? And he goes, are you constipated? I'm like, what? How do you know what that is? He's been watching commercials. How do you know? It's so wild when they say so. He said it real good too. Constipated. Yeah. Wow. Wow, buddy. I was dying. So I go out and I'm like, go tell your mom what you said. Constipated. First died. So there's something like a fascination that kids have with flushing the toilet when they learn how to do that. Yes. Because Max will do that. He'll just, he just wants to flush the toilet. And he'll be, I'll be in there and he'll be like, are you done yet? Like waiting to flush the toilet. Hey, bro, quit rushing me. Give a cursey flush. You're going to come in here with me, sit down and relax. Has he ever tried this flushing stuff down there? No, not yet. Oh, that's good. Ooh, yeah. That's really good. That's a potential. You have the rebellious one. You have the kid who's trying to break everything. He ever still uses too much toilet paper. I'm like, still trying to train him. So Max will. So you guys know the whole funny thing that he does, right? So he goes in the bathroom for 30 plus minutes with the lights off and his little lantern. And he like, and one of the things he does is a lot of times he'll play with the toilet paper and so I'll come in there and he's like, gotta mount it. Yeah. Especially because you got to think. Yeah. And then he'll use it. And then it's just, you put all that in there. We're going to have clogged pipes. That's hilarious. Oh man. I remember going through that and I was like, Oh my God, I'm going to get a plumber out here. Yeah. No kids. My boy, he's just, he's so counter authority. Cause I have a counter authority streak, obviously. My wife, definitely. So it must be a combination of genetics that produced. A hundred percent. The most counter authority. He is like, literally if you say don't do something, he'll do it. So we have to be careful with what we say. And sometimes we slip up like, oh, don't go over there. Oh, fuck. Crazy guys. I was curious. So now, so I literally use it to, it's comical. If I want him to do something, I tell him not to. So like we're eating dinner. And he's like, I'm not hungry. And he'll like run around or whatever. So like, all right. And I'll wait, you know, five, 10 minutes. Then I'll cut a piece of meat for him. But like, you better not eat this. And he comes over and he takes a bite. So I just do that 10 times in a row. I have one point to figure this out. I tell you guys. So I told you I implemented that new thing with max with the whole reading with the toys. Bro, it is working so good. Dad, like almost every day that I come home now. He's like showing me. Daddy, how many books is this? How many books is this? He wants to know how many books like everything he wants is to read. But I love it that we've taught him that. And I told you, I added the whole giveaway to toys. So like it only took one time of like doing that. And he's already made that connection now that when a new toy comes in, we have to read certain amount of books in whatever daddy says that how many books for that toy. And then two toys get given to somebody. This is great. Yeah. Well, first off, it's teaching him something pretty valuable. But also it looks like he has your work ethic. Like if he starts to figure out, I can do this to get that. I hope so. That's awesome. I mean, I hope so, right? I hope that's what he gets from it. And then I can't wait for the when he can actually read. And if I can motivate him like that. Do you guys remember that guy? We talked about a long time ago with the Pepsi points. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They made the commercial. Did he actually do the jet? Yeah. They made a whole documentary on it. We watched that. I'll be back soon. Dad, I want a car. I want this car. Oh, you got to read 10,000 books, does it? I mean, it would be hard for me in the position that I'm in, like, because I could do something as crazy as that. And I would probably say, oh, I wouldn't do something like that. But I mean, shit, if the kid read 10,000 books or something like that, I mean, the level of knowledge that he's going to acquire. Oh, yeah. I mean, when I looked at. And the discipline. I mean, you were a big reader. So when you were younger, I wasn't. Yeah. And so when I think, when I get asked or I get the chance to talk to like either like my young niece or nephew or, you know, kids that are up and coming that listen to us or whatever. I tell you what, if there was anything I could have went back and told myself, it would have been to become a voracious reader earlier in my life. And just give me the freedom to read the things I'm interested in. Like, I just, I looked at reading as like, what did school tell me I have to read? They gave you a battery. They created a battery. Yeah. And I just, I never was attracted to novels. Yeah. And so I dreaded reading books. Yeah. And so as soon as I didn't have to, I wasn't. I wasn't seeking it. I wasn't into a way, you know, it's so funny. And what motivated me was like to prove a point. It was so funny. What drove me to first start reading was to like, prove that I could read the books that the CEO was reading. I was like such a stupid. And then you had a discovery there. Yeah. Then I had a discovery of like, oh, I actually liked this type of stuff to read, but I didn't find that till like 25. My mom did a good job of fostering that because she saw that when I was young, I don't know how old I was, I was probably third grade. You know, you have the school library and then they'll let you check out books. I would check out these sci-fi books. And she saw that I liked this and she, I've told you guys this before, she subscribed to Omni magazine, which is like this adult sci-fi futuristic magazine. I don't understand half of what was in there, but I would try and I would read it every single time. And then she saw that I like to read like facts. I loved reading facts. I was just into it. So then she bought a whole encyclopedia set and then I would read the encyclopedia because I just enjoyed doing it. So she did a really good job with that and it created a good relationship. But just think about how shitty, how many kids grow up thinking they don't like something or it's not for me simply because it was a bad relationship that they had as a kid. Now, do you guys, okay, now you both, because I think about this a lot as a dad now, right? And I know you guys are much older, wiser dads now than what you probably would say you were when you were in your late 20s or whatever. Yeah, definitely. Right, I think you both would agree on that, right? So did you guys have the wherewithal to see the things that your kids were into when they were young and then go like, oh, I need to foster that. Even though it wasn't something you weren't into, right? Like I know that one of the things they say is like a secret hack, right? And a mistake a lot of parents make is they try and impose like me trying to make my son a basketball player. As much as I talk about that, I know better than that, right? Like I have to look at, oh, he's into reading or oh, he's into Legos. Like how do I double, triple down on the things that he's interested in? Not only does that foster our relationship, but then maybe that's something he finds a passion for and he ends up being very talented. Did you guys know to do that or foster that or did that come later? Thankfully I knew that. There's a lot of things I did wrong in my 20s as a father, but that one I knew. That one, if I saw my kids into something, I would find a way to make it positive, constructive, like if they were into trains, then I'd buy books on trains and buy train toys and tracks and have them build them. That I knew. There's a lot I didn't know though. Yeah, we got them into reading real early and that was something that I wish I would, again, to your point, like I wasn't a big reader either, wish I was at the time, but that was something that we found like the different genres and we tried a lot of different options with them when they're real young just to see kind of like what sparked something. And then two with like the Legos and all that of like the creativity side of it, I would spend a lot of time with them just one-on-one and then building and just exploring like the creative side of that and then the music side of it and all that. But like the one hard part for me has been being real reserved with the sports and the physical pursuits and activities with that. Because I just really wanted that. Like that was like when I was most excited was to like throw a baseball to my kids and like have that kind of interaction and we're just literally now getting to that point. So I even had this same conversation last night. We were going to a restaurant and we were talking about this because they're right now kind of like we love gymnastics, but we're like, we're done. You know, like both it was start out with Ethan because he's older and it's like he's taller now and it's like, I think there's kind of a cap to that sport just because of like, you know, the abilities and things you can do. Like what his level now like requires is for him to jump so high up and it's like, he's really like it's nerve wracking. It's like, you know, at that point where he has to like be frightened every time he's at practice and doing this and he's just like, I don't know this for me. I was like, that's totally fair. You know, you've proven. Yeah, so well, that's the thing. It's like our deal with them is that they have to have something that they're actively involved in that they train for on a consistent basis like a couple of days a week and you don't get any season off. And so the point of that is like gymnastics is year round. So we're going to be going from one thing to the next and literally just from my experience and this is my own personal experience of me and my brother. We had to have something. Otherwise I was going to get into some shit and I was going to, you know, go hang out with those other kids that were doing whatever the hell, you know, but being busy and being disciplined and being focused physically really helped me. So that's just something that we're going to make sure that is a standard. Is that a is that a is that a hard thing for or is it an easy conversation? Like the boys like, OK, cool. I'm down dad or they like, no, I don't really want to. They probably get to pick. Yeah, they get to pick. Yeah, but you got to think that some kids are. I mean, yeah, I mean, do you think how well you think you would have been able to do that with the code? You think you could have made him play sports year round? He did. He did. He did with school that I hear what you're saying because there's always going to be that kids. I don't want to do anything. Yeah, yeah, right. There'll be days like that. Yeah, they'll they'll block at it and want to just play video games and just be lazy and chill. And, you know, and I get that. And those are the days we have to have harder conversations, but it's, you know, that's that's the agreement. And so I do give him that choice is like of some bit of like a freedom in that, but it's still like this is the standard that we're just, you know, it's so Jessica introduced me to this and it's it's actually pretty interesting. So she she told me about how and let me explain it this way. Maybe you guys will get it because at first I don't understand it, but I'm getting it as I started thinking about adults. There's a lot of adults or let's say people in their late teens who they think they like something and then later they realize I only did that because it pleased my parents or only did that because and so then they have to kind of figure out like, what is it that I like and what do. So she's really good at like, okay, when the kids do something that you are super excited about, match their excitement. Cause kids want to please you. So otherwise what will happen is if you're super excited about this thing, if your kid wants to please you, they'll do it just for you and never really discover their own passion for what they're supposed to do, which I didn't, I never got that. I understood the whole like, let them do their thing, but I was always like, yay about everything. But then what happens to your kids like, oh, I want to please dad. I want to make him do that all the time. And meanwhile they don't do what they think is best for them or they don't learn to do things because of intrinsic motivation rather it's extrinsic. I wonder if that could have a reverse effect on some kids too though. Like if I was a dad who it's very natural to want to please your kid or please your parent and you had this even kill response to everything that I did, then I might feel like I'm like always like, Sergio, what is dad doing? No, you want to match their excitement. So let's say your kid comes to you and is like, dad, look at my painting. Wow, that's really awesome, right? Or they're like, you know, they put their painting up and instead of being like, wow, you know, you'd be like, oh, that's cool. Looks like you really worked hard on it. So that's, because I say that was the same thing for me. I'm like, well, what's my kid thing? I don't like anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right. I'm excited too, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know. Yeah, that makes sense. Because I was like, you would want to show. Yeah, you don't want. Then you're like, my dad doesn't like anything. Yeah. He's like, what a jerk. Hey, speaking of books, I gotta tell you guys, I was reading some old fitness and health tips from some of the godfathers of fitness. Oh, I saw you bringing this up. Bro, you will not believe. I told some of the stuff that they, so Vince Garanda is a bodybuilder from the 50s and 60s. Okay, so this is like the, I guess you could call it pre golden era or maybe golden era of bodybuilding. Maybe one of the most respected bodybuilder guys in that time, right? He was like one of the first like science, like they would consider him science-based bodybuilders who kind of like said, oh, this gotta be this way and do this and this is why. He preached against cardio for fat loss. Yeah. He's done. He literally said for conditioning, for endurance, totally fine. Do not do it for fat loss. Here was his reasoning. Remember, this was in the 60s. Nobody understood. Wisdom. Any of this stuff. This is what he said. Fat loss. Like if that's your goal with the cardio, you run the risk of losing muscle, which will then slow down your metabolism. How crazy is that? This guy was saying that. So great. Back then. Yeah. It's pretty awesome. Then Jack LaLaine, who is one of my absolutes. This is what I told a few people. Yeah, I mean, some of the stuff that he said is just so, it's so incredible what he said. These are some of his quotes. Oh, it's profound considering that they came up with that without having all this crazy research and studies that we have today, right? So today we have all these controlled studies where we can lean on and say, well, see, this is what the science says, but these guys had pieces together through just. Now Jack LaLaine was, he was on TV at the time. He had, remember, I actually had a client trip off this. I had a client in her 80s. And she used to watch Jack LaLaine exercise. Like videos. Yeah. And he would do this, this work out. His wife, I remember their warmup as a trip. Yeah, bro. He would wear these like, they look like dance slippers. And he would use a chair and demonstrate exercises with the chair. Yeah. And he would take his leg out and do the stuff and he teach on TV, like way ahead of his time. Yeah. So a lot of his stuff was like slogans and things because he was really good at like selling people on the idea of working out. One of my favorite ones that he said was, people don't die of old age. They die of inactivity. Yeah. So good. I love that one. That's a great quote. Yes. I love that one. So good. He said a lot of things like, this one's famous. Exercise is king. Nutrition is queen. Put them together and you've got a kingdom. I mean, better to wear out than rust out. I mean, these are great slogans, I think, that communicate the message so effectively. Yeah. That was from... Didn't he have one about eating too? Was it him that you read? I thought you read one yesterday about like the food choices or eating like that. I thought was really good too. Let's see. Your health account is like your bank account. The more you put in, the more you can take out. Oh, if it tastes good, spit it out. Yeah. That's right. That's the one there. So he understood the potential challenges of palatability. Yes. Right. And if it's engineered to be palatable, like how much your body will be hijacked. If man makes it, don't eat it. That was the other one that he said. Yeah, yeah. How cool is that? Isn't that great? It is great. Speaking of old stuff, I got to ask you this, Doug. I looked... I didn't mean it like that. Great segue. Great segue. My bad. I didn't mean it like that. How was Moses as a child? So have you ever heard of... The reason why I'm asking this is Japanese. I know a lot about Japanese culture. It's called Nurumitsu Odachi. I think I'm pronouncing it right. I've never heard of that. You've never heard of that? No. So Justin, you would like this, actually. All right. So I was... Never for me. Well, I mean, I don't think you'll find it. You don't care about this kind of stuff. You might think it's cool. You're not as much of a nerd. So this is a 15th century Japanese sword. All right, no big deal. Like, what's the big deal about it? Well, first off, swords made back then were used in battle. Yeah. Okay, so consider that. It wasn't like they made them... Kill people. They used them in battle. So this is 15th century. A long time ago, it was over 12 feet long, and it weighed almost 32 pounds. What? And they don't... The controversy or the mystery around it is, who the hell was wielding... Who's swinging that bad boy? Who was wielding the sword? So they're like, was it a giant? Yeah. Was it like the super strong? Yeah, see, it's a giant. Yeah, it's a giant samurai. Anunnaki. Yeah. 12 feet long. Do you know how big that is? Yeah, that's taller than the ceiling, bro. Yeah. That's weird. It's the Nephilim cell. The Nephilim. Yeah, dude. How crazy is that? Well, what doesn't make sense about that is like, if it's a 12-foot sword, imagine how tall the person has to be to even wield it. It has to be like... I mean, yeah, was that... Do they know for sure it was used? Because like, or is it just like... Yes. One of those things where you're like, oh, look what I built. They can prove it was used? You didn't make swords back then to not get used. Look at the size of it. Well, I mean, that might be the proof that you can make swords not to be always used. I mean, maybe. Like, they had just some competition, you know, back then. Yeah, who could make the bigger sword. Well, why would they make one so big? I mean, asking that question is like asking a question of why would you use some of those. I don't know. That's kind of like one of those. So Odachi, the Odachi's were long swords, but they would reach like 5 feet, 6 feet, and those were used in battle all the time. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. But this one is, you know... I would like to think it was a giant, but like more than likely, it was probably for like a display, you know, piece or something like that. Cause that same argument was used a lot for like, some of those cave painting drawings or like a, let's say you go into Egyptian culture and you see like one with a scarab face and it's like, they only drew what they saw. It's like... Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had no imagination. Like that's their entire argument. Well, so the counter. It's so funny, right? But the counter argument is that maybe it was made like as a flag. Like they used it as a way to like, this is our army. Right. Like this is our main piece. Okay. That's kind of cool. I can see like you're getting ready to try and you have this huge 12 foot sword that you see. Yeah. But isn't that crazy? Carry like one guy, carry like... Those guys were like somebody, some swordsmith hammered out that... It's all one blade. It's all one piece of metal. Is it sharp or anything? Like it's legit or... I don't know if it is not. It's like a big old blunt blade. Yeah. I knew Doug would be interested in it. Yeah, very interested. That's bad ass, dude. That is so cool, right? Do you have sword envy? I don't know where I'd put a sword like that. It seems all like... Yeah, that's a long sword. My little lifting truck. Yeah, I got this tiny one behind me. Hey, listen, sword envy. It kills people just as good. Not the size, Doug. Yeah, it's all about how to use it. So how would you deal with it? It'll still kill people. So, I haven't told you guys this, but I've been experimenting with something for sleep that I see people write about, post about, and I finally tried it. My cousin's wife introduced me to it. There's no sponsor, no connection, but I just want to talk about it because I've been using it. We all went up to truckie together to hang out and we're all ready to go to bed, and she's like, Sal, have you tried mouth tape? I thought she was joking. I'm gonna shut up. You were just having some story to tell. Have you ever tried mouth tape? Am I doing that again? No, no, no. You wear it on your lips when you go to sleep, and she's like, so she has an aura ring that measures the quality of your sleep. Significant improvement from wearing the mouth tape. She was showing me the nose. So I started wearing it. And yeah, dude, I don't measure anything with an aura, but I can tell. It makes a big difference. So I want you to pair it with the nasal. I just ordered some. So I actually have been doing that long before Alex Hormozzi was, part of why I don't even talk about it is because he's made it like such a thing to do. He wears it on interviews and stuff. What are you doing? I have no idea. I have no idea. I mean, you wouldn't even, I've known him. He might as well wear eye black. Well, knowing his, his, his marketing genius is it's, you know, people to be memorable, you know? So it's like, The guy with the nose tape? Exactly. Like you, like that was, it's something that you can't help. That makes sense. But so I would not be surprised if there is a method to his madness. But for sure, I wear that every, almost every night. And if I don't wear it every night, it's because I forgot to put it on, because if I don't, if I have any sort of congestion in my nose, I'll mouth breathe and sleep. And then I snore, right? Why don't you combine it with the tape? Well, that's why I'm telling you to for sure do it. I can notice that I won't mouth breathe. I'll breathe through the nose if it just opens this up. So I'm wondering if you notice just from that you won't have to tape your mouth shut and you might actually get the same benefits. How freaked out were you the first time though? That I put it on? Yeah. Like when you're sleeping and you're, you know, Wow. I don't know. That might give me a little anxiety. Maybe. But you know what else is the benefit, right? Let's say, you know, you know, you know those like midnight bumps you get from the wife. You know, I've been thinking that you're going to go to the ghost route. I got the belt table. I'm sorry. We got to sleep. Katrina actually, she's, she's going to be mad. I brought this up, but she hates when I put that dead nose thing on because she thinks that that means we're not having sex for sure. Bro, you're performing something. And that's your version of the sweatpants. I don't know why you think that. Maybe because you're not attracted to it. So you don't feel like it ain't stopping me. But she's, she's I got better endurance. You know what it is? It's cause she thinks that I'm so focused on getting a good night's sleep. I'm not thinking about that. You know what I'm saying? So if I'm thinking about that, I'm not thinking about all the other stuff to get up to my sleep. I'm thinking about that. That's funny. I know. So I think she's just like, oh, so we're not having sex tonight? It's like, I could put my nose guard on and still go to work. You know what I'm saying? Like, calm down. I think it is. I think she's like, I just don't look attractive with it on. It's not very cool. You know, she should get you back, put it on too. You guys have sex? Yeah. I don't give a shit. I'll put my headband on too. Let's go. Hey, stop with me. Is there a sign that you know, like you're like, oh, my wife can have once I have sex anytime. Is there something that she does that? Oh, 100%. I can tell by what picks up things on the ground a lot. What? What did you say she put on the ground? It's like excessive. She's like clearing the space. No. She's like clearing the room out. So it's like we need all of a sudden everything on the ground like matters. I'm just like, huh? I just stopped dead in the tracks every time. No. I could tell by shower time and outfit. I mean, that's it. It's like, you know, it's game time. She makes an effort to get up to the bedroom and take a shower and then put like a little nightie or t-shirt, cute thing. Dude, Jessica was confused the other night. Because she's like, oh, I gotta go take a shower. First of all, she's making time at night to take a shower. Usually that means like, oh, cool. It's going to happen, right? So she's like going to go take a shower. And then I'm like, oh, I got to take a shower too. She's like, oh, you know, we could just, we could shower together. What does that mean to you guys? Let me ask you this. If your wife says to you, let's go take a shower together. Yeah. What does that mean? It does not mean to shower. You probably have some stunk. Maybe. Maybe we'll get around to washing each other. Yeah. We're going to do it. Yeah. She was like, you know, she was like blown away. That's what I thought. I'm like, wait, you thought you really just want to take a shower? Yeah. We're just going to wash ourselves. You know how much it sucks? You have all the water. I'm not getting any water. Yeah. It's safe. Yeah. It's never like convenient. How can you explain, like, how is that even possible? Like, you're naked. There's soap everywhere. Like for sure. You know what I still, I'm going to try. Of all the houses I've lived in, that is actually a box I haven't checked. And I've been in obviously showers like this. But I have not had been in a home where I lived in, where you have the. The tool head. The dual head. Shower. Like that's like, if I'm building my custom home. We got one of those. Oh, you have one of those? Yeah. It helps. And really honestly, the benefit of it is washing the dog. We really don't use it for the sexual stuff. No, dude. No, bro. I'm sorry. Don't kill my dreams. It's not as cool as you thought. I thought it was going to be cool. I'm like, yeah, dude. It's good for washing the dog. It's going to get weird, yeah. Let's go. No, just washing the dog. Dude, you're killing it for me. Sorry. Sorry to be that guy. That sucks. Hey, you know what else sucks? My bad. I got to bring this up. You know what else that sucks? So, you know, I would say each of us has a unique talent or ability. Doug, it's hot as fuck in here. Yeah, it's really hot. You got to turn up that PC. We should see my back. Yeah, we're sweating. Sorry. That, you know, each of us has, I would say, a unique talent. And, you know, I've called Adam the deal maker because he's really good. So he handles our sponsorships and he makes deals, right? He makes deals and they tend to work out. But boy, would I fucking hate to be on the other end of that deal. I listen to this guy on the phone or you see it. I was like, God, bro, you're hard. My wife says one of the few compliments she gives me is that, you know, I have this ability to be a likable asshole. That's what she says. Wow, that is accurate. Like she's like, you know, and, you know, and you guys obviously, you guys have an intimate knowledge of what my uncle's like, right? So he would just be an asshole. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? There's the likable without the likable sometimes. So I like him. So we have that. So we both have that side to us. But Katrina's like, and I, it never fails. Like, I hear the way you say something to somebody. I'm like, oh my God, like they're going to hate his guts. And then she's like, I talked to him afterwards and they love you. It's like, I don't understand. It doesn't make sense to me. Bro, it's because you're so honest. Like you're one of the most honest, like upfront, like here's the deal. And it's like, you can't really, what are you going to say to that? That's how I, that's how I feel, Justin. I feel like really what it is, is really, I remember the first time I heard someone say the term radical honesty. And it really resonated with that. And it wouldn't have been something that I'd heard before. And I really feel like that is, and it's really actually difficult. Like everyone says they're honest. Sure. But like, they're honest to a point. You're honest to like a, like, When it's convenient. Yeah. When it's convenient or when it's not hard, right? When it's, when it's hard to be honest, we tend to, you know, kind of pussy foot around what you really want to say or the full truth. Cause you don't want to hurt their feelings or you're intimidated to say what you want to say. And I've just learned in my life that the more, the more I practice that radical honesty, the more it served me and the more comfortable I've become with being that because most good people, there's always assholes and people that reject it or are uncomfortable. Well, you're not going to like a liar. That's the bottom line. That's right. Someone's fake. But I don't think that's what makes you likeable. I think that's what gives you respect. I think honesty is what makes people respect you. You're likeable and I don't understand. I can't explain exactly what that formula looks like. We could list a bunch of, you know, things that make someone likeable, but there's just something about you that's likeable. People respect you because you're honest, but I don't think that's what makes you likeable. I think if you didn't have the other side, if you didn't have the other qualities, they would just respect you. But they like, fuck that guy. You know, he's an asshole. But yeah, you are. That's actually very accurate description. Definitely. Likeable asshole. It's an interesting compliment. Likeable asshole. I mean, I think there's also, you guys get to see, you know, or in some of these people do too, is as much as I can be that side, which, you know, gives the shock and awe sometimes, then I have another side to me that I think I'm, I like to think I'm pretty sensitive and empathetic and caring and I think about other people. And like part, and then here's another thing too, like one of the secrets to our success with our partners and our relationship is like, I take those relationships very seriously and I think about those people and I do, I do my best to let them know that I care and to do things and go above and beyond. Look, bottom line is, and this is, saying this is easy, doing it is hard, right? But the bottom line is you know what to ask for and you know what you can deliver, period. So a lot of people don't know that and if they do, they're afraid to, they're afraid to ask for this much for a raise or because they're not confident with what they're worth or they overshoot it and then they don't deliver it and then know what it's gonna, so you're very good at knowing exactly, you know, what we're worth, what we're gonna deliver and then we do and so that's the deal, that's the part of the deal maker that I think is so brilliant. Yeah, I think there's a lot. And that's what makes it tough for the other side because I don't think that people are used to dealing with that. I think people are used to people, like I'm worth this much but I'll ask this much because that's too much, I don't wanna ask more. I also think that you get a lot of latitude with people when, it's like one of my favorite quotes, right? Nobody cares how much you know till they know how much you care and if you lead with that first, I like to think that I have that relationship with my staff. I like to think that I have built enough a relationship, say with Andrew, that if I came in and like really railed on him hard, really like I feel like I've built enough credit with him of consistency of showing the other side of me that I can push those areas and be okay. And it's out of, it's not out of character or it's out of character to see me go that hard. And so the same thing applies in business when I'm negotiating deals like that. It's like, if I've shown all these things to show you that I care and that we have built this relationship and then also it comes down to negotiation and I'm stern and I'm direct and I'm this like that. Like I feel like, and even if I come sometimes come off a little harsh or hard, like some people might take it, I get a little bit more latitude because I've put that work in and I've earned that. And I don't think if I, I think if I hadn't done those things that I can't, because I know what I can do with what people I can do it with too. There's certain people I can't do that with. If I haven't built a relationship with it, like sometimes the conversation you guys hear, you guys hear that with somebody who I've built a good relationship with. So I can say some shit that sounds kind of crazy, but it's because we've already formed that. You can get beyond the surface kind of talking. My favorite part of it, listen to you negotiate with Mike Matthews. That is- Because he's a cunt. Because he's as big of a cunt as I am. Oh my God. He has two rams. He may not know I know it about him, but I know it 100% about him when we're talking. And we both have a- And you guys love it. That's the thing, is that you guys are both smiling while you're- Yeah, I think we both have a similar strategy the way we're like, we're like so nice to each other and then we let our other people bring the bad news to each other. And then we play like, oh, I didn't know. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, right guy. Yeah, weird. Yeah. I'll take that as a compliment. Take that as a compliment. It is. Oh, you brought up a kind of a cool thing. I wanted to kind of like bring something up that I saw that was pretty funny. And it's, again, this doesn't mean I believe in time travel or anything, so don't get all crazy. Just thought it was kind of random and weird and worth looking at. This is gonna be good. And speculating upon. So there's this guy, and maybe you can find this Doug. It's- I think they call him the time traveling hipster. And so there's actually like these old, like 20, 1920s kind of pictures where this guy was like, I think he was at some kind of not soapbox derby or whatever the hell they had for racing cars back then. But he was there and he was wearing like sunglasses and like futuristic looking like outfit totally stood out compared to everything. Yeah. Like somebody just like planted this hipster looking dude in with all of these like depression era people. And there's another one too where this guy had like, literally looks like a cell phone and he's like hanging out near this car. I've seen that one. And it's literally in the depression era. And it makes you be like, wait a minute, is this Photoshopped or is this- So that would be my first thought is Photoshopped but then if it's real, it's a trip. I've seen that. So I don't know if you- So would it fall in the category of art? What is this? No, no, no, these are photos. Those are real photos. I've seen some of these. These are photos, but the person looks like they're dressed and they're wearing things. Yeah. Expand that one has a red mark on it. Yeah. And it looks like they're from today. And you're like, wait a minute. Nobody dressed like that. Nobody. I've seen, I saw the one with the cell phone and it does look like a phone. Yeah. Which is kind of weird. Let's see. Oh, you can't see. I mean, I have it on my phone. I can show you. Yeah. Right here. This guy here. Yeah. Yeah. What? Yeah. That looks like an RVCA shirt and like, Yeah. Look at his sunglasses. Nobody's wearing sunglasses for first of all. And his haircut. He does look like a weird. That's weird. Well, doesn't that even almost look like an RVCA shirt? Yeah. It looks exactly. It looks like somebody photoshopped in themselves into an old. It does. It looks like. I'm pretty sure that's what happened. Do you think so? I think so. It's real. Okay. What about the cell phone one? That one. I want it to be real. Yeah. The cell phone. Oh, I do too. That's so interesting. Where did you find this? I don't know. I ran across some. Him and I. We got the same algorithm. Sitting stuff. It's fun. Why not? There's one. With the circle. This one here. Yeah. Let me see. Click on that one. There's a few. That's not even the one I've seen. I don't even know. Oh, wait. What are they doing there? That looks like he's holding the phone. That's it. Looks like he's holding the phone, but what would be a horrible picture? What would they be holding up to their ear like that? No idea. That's weird. Yeah. But I mean, think about it this way too. Like spies, right? They've always had like access to stuff that nobody else did. You think it was like technology? That one looks like, see that one, the night you go up Doug, the 1917 guy in like, like old mining picture. And then look at, he's wearing like a, he looks like a hipster. Look at his hair. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Cause even still like, yeah, that's my thought process is that. What if you were just a weird dude back then? Yeah. Fucking John. I mean, that's actually, if it's a true photo, that's probably most likely what it is just somebody. It's not like we don't see people nowadays look like they're dressed out of their time zone. They're all over the place now. Yeah. Yeah. That's weird. Good stuff. Oh, there's a cell phone one. Like, like, it looks like he's taking a picture with the cell phone. Yeah. That guy right there. Yeah. Yeah. What's he doing? Right there. Yeah. It looks like a freaking iPhone. Yeah. This is a good iPhone. Scroll down. There's a bigger, better picture. Like, oh, and there's one right there that they circled. What are they looking at there? He looks like he's taking a picture of his crotch. Yeah. And there's another one. Yeah. Looks like they're holding a cell phone. I'm telling you guys. I think those are regular cameras. These are the... It's a box camera. Oh, is it? Doug's not closed. I'm not closed. Sorry. I hate to rain on your parade. Damn it. I thought it was cool. Damn it. We thought we almost proved time traveling right there. Yeah. Almost existed. So close. What's the... Do we have a page we'd like to shout out today? Did we not? Did you talk about the OrganiFi's new product? We have not. Oh, shit. Almost forgot. Oh, my God. I almost forgot. I need to talk about this. I don't even know if they're going to be selling this. You're the most hyped. So I don't know if they're going to be selling this by the time this comes out. But I got to talk about it. Oh, they are. They are selling it now. They are. I'm from the past telling you in the future. Wow. Wow. Doug's been hip since the 1900s. Okay. So I got this package because they send us their new stuff. And I was... I haven't been this excited about a partner's product in a long time. Shilajit is a Ayurvedic compound that's been used for a long time. And it's... Okay. So let me explain what it is, right? So the... It's found in the Himalayas. It's like a black oozy substance. And really what it is, it's the product of these ancient forests being compressed in the mountains and decayed over time. And that's what produces this, what's called Shilajit. Sounds like what the hell is that? What's that going to do? Well, anyway, they've been using it for a long time in Ayurvedic medicine. Here's why I get excited about it. Shilajit has a lot of studies, a lot of real studies supporting its benefits. I'll read to you something. Is it like an adaptogen? What is it used for? Yes. It is like an adaptogen. Okay. But I'm going to read to you something. This is like the topsoil stuff where it's like, you know, we're missing all these nutrients because of what gets strapped out of, you know, the soil. So there's a few things that they're in there that we know have benefits like folvic acid, there's antioxidants, but it's one of those things where we're like, we're not quite sure, right? So by the way, this is a fight. They've been using this for 5,000 years in medicine. Okay. So that's a long time, right? So it's a tar-like substance found in the Himalayan and Tibet Mountains. So as the lush forest were compacted, as mountains arose, Shilajit was formed. And when the temperatures rise around these Indian mountains, the tar-like medical miracle substance, what they refer to it comes from the crevices within the mountains. I don't know who the first person decided to eat this was. Let me try this black oozy stuff. Rock climbing. This is one of the oldest forms of medicine, right? Sanskrit texts that date over 3,000 years ago. Talk about using it. Okay. So explain what it's most, oh, Alzheimer's? Oh, I'm going to bring them up. Low testosterone? Oh, yeah. Listen, listen. So for thousands of years, it was used as an aphrodisiac. For thousands of years, it was like, give this to men to help fertility. Okay. Well, here's what some of the studies show. First off, studies show that it provides energy and revitalization. So studies show that people take it. They get more ATP production. They actually show this producing more ATP in the mitochondria. It promotes brain health. Again, this was shown in studies. This is not just now what the Ayurvedic practitioners say. Regulates hormones and immune system. It raises testosterone in men with low testosterone. In females, it helps with ovulation. So it's fertility for both. It reduces pain. It lowers blood sugar. It prevents cancer. It fights inflammation. There's some studies. So there was a study that showed that the supplement improved the function and regeneration of skeletal muscle. So recovery supplement. Aging, heart health? Yes. Iron deficiency, anemia. Yeah. So this is one of the few, like, you know, out there things. High altitude sickness. But, you know, listen, there's a couple old episodes where I brought this up. Did you? Yes. I brought this up before. Because I've taken it before and I can tell. I can tell when I take it. So when I saw Organifi, and I love Organifi because they get the best quality. Period end of story. They get a form of chelage called Prima V, which makes, which is the like very pure form. And it's in gummies. So they're like really tasty little gummies. And they actually taste good by the way. They do taste good. So two of them is a dose. We crushed that whole bag. You'll notice a difference. Okay. So I can't, you know, I'm probably the, probably the least or the most skeptical of all of us. And I've been taking this since we ate the whole bag, right? So almost every day for the last couple of weeks. And I can't describe yet what it is. But I do feel good. Yeah. But I can't describe it yet. I haven't figured it out yet. But you'll notice consistently, and you'll notice kind of like Ashwagandha, but different. So it's, you'll notice better recovery, better energy, less soreness. And again, like I said in studies, they've shown testosterone levels getting affected. Sperm count goes up. All right. Giving it to man. They see more sperm. Why'd you look at me like that? I don't know. You're just there. Cool. Anyway. Cool. Anyway. Thank you so much for reminding me. I'd like, I'm really excited about this. I think this, this is one of the best providers of Shilajit that I know of now that Organify has it. So yeah. No, I'm serious. All right. So now shout out, Justin, you got a book you've been reading. Yeah. So this was actually recommended by some of my DMs and they were like, Oh, this totally has you written all over it. Dungeon crawler Carl. And it's like, it's so, like the premise of it is so ridiculous. And it's, it's going to be a wild ride. I'll have to let you guys know how it ends up, but it's like, it's sci-fi. It's funny. It's like, he's, he's kind of the center of this like universal like game show that he gets dropped into. And anyways, it's, it, the premise of it is really silly, but like the dialogue so far is hilarious. Cool. Love it. When it comes to quality, integrity and effectiveness, Legion is one of the best companies for sports performance supplements. You'll find anywhere their pre-workout pulse is one of the top selling on Amazon. Go check them out. Go to buy legion.com forward slash mine pump, use the code mine pump. And if you're a first time customer, you'll get 20% off for returning customers. You'll get more rewards points. All right. Back to the show. First question is from preacher man Joe. How do you fix back issues at work from sitting all day? Back issues from work from sitting all day. This was a majority of our clients, right? Cause we all worked in Silicon Valley. And so. Oh, it adds up. This was all in that fixed position. I think that I think the biggest misconception around this is thinking that it's like something directly related to the back and more often than not, it's more like hip and ab stuff related. Correct. 100%. And that was, that was, I mean, I remember even being a trainer and dealing with low back pain and thinking that, oh man, just, you know, genetically our families all have bad backs, have a bad back or whatever. And not realizing how much of that had to do with weak hips and a weak core that was really contributing to the low back pain. The most common areas of tension in the back for people who work at desk jobs are low back. And then that upper kind of neck area or, you know, back area where you start to get tension in the back of the head or the neck. And yes, it's because you're sitting in a position for a long period of time. And what happens is, you know, the muscles of the body have to work together. And when some muscles are too weak, what ends up happening is your body just has other muscles do more work to compensate. And in this case, if your core is weak because it's not really being activated, well, you have hip flexors like the psoas muscle that attaches at the low spine. That's going to be pulling a little more. It's going to cause low back pain. You may have some weakness in the hips, like Adam was saying, that's going to cause some low back issues. You may have weakness in the mid back. So your upper back muscles, the levitator scapulae or trapezius muscles are going to be tighter to try to stabilize the shoulders. So what you want to do is you want to strengthen those muscles that are weak. So strengthening your core is important. Working on hip mobility and strength is very important. And mid back exercise are important. But I will say this, I'm going to back up because those are all, now it's important to do strength training regardless. Okay. But I think if we look at the root issue, the root issue is that you're sitting all day. And so it's actually, and I've had a lot of clients with success with having standing desks where rather than sitting all day, they stand while they do their work or they sit on something that requires a little bit more or they get up and more frequently. Yeah, exactly. Now I'm not saying don't strength train, like just do that, but rather than having to try to always constantly band-aid or compensate or work on areas that need strengthening because you're doing something all the time. You change what you do a little bit. Like stability ball for a chair tends to help this problem. And so does standing. And like I said, those two things I've had people work on made a big difference. And didn't, who was, one of us, was it you, Adam, that tried to create a chair? Yeah. At one point? Yeah. For that very thing, right? Yeah. We had the shaft in the chair had a 15 degree play in all directions. So you could never sit in slouch or else it would tip over. So it kind of forced you and then the seat was actually at like a 30 degree angle. So you weren't exactly at a 90 degree angle or I don't know what that is a 45 degree angle. Yeah. That actually like Dr. Ed Thomas had added like a wedge to a lot of students chairs for that specific reason too is like, you know, not having that 90 degree fixed and then having it like at least a bit more lengthened tended to avoid a lot of those pains later on. Do you know that they have chairs and it's funny because when I saw it, I thought what we would think as trainers like, oh, that's good for some core activation, but they have chairs for kids with ADD in classrooms where the bottom of them. Just like shocks them every now and then. It's just because I annoy you. They have the bottom of it looks like a half circle. So it kind of rolls around. And so the kids will sit in because they need that kind of stimuli. But I'm like, I would be a good office chair. Yeah. An inexpensive way to get some. They've made ones too that like there were a stability ball fits in them now. Yeah. I mean, I was all into that when we first were trying to do it. We just had horrible timing when we created it right after the big crash and then going to big companies like Deloitte and Touche and trying to convince them to replace their 500 office chairs with one that was five times more expensive than the one that they already currently had. They're like, yeah, that's cool. We'll pass. I'm going to give some specific exercises. So I like, I like planks, but planks done a specific way. I actually did a video planks. Yeah. Active planks or planks with that tailbone with the tailbone tuck to activate the core. And we I did videos on this a while ago. So we'll link those in the show notes. And then rows, cable rows, machine rows are good because they're easier for people with week midbacks to activate versus a barbell row, which you got to have a little bit more controls and strength to do. And really focusing on pulling the shoulder blades back and down. Those two, you know, movements generally are pretty good prescriptions for people. I had some generic advice along those lines. I was going to go the active plank route. So I love that. I love row, which I was going to say also. And then good goals, get good at the deadlift, get great at the 90 90s and work towards having a good deep squat. I think those would be really good goals for somebody who struggles with that. I can't stress enough. Like this was something that I was riddled with low back pain, chronic back pain. And even my career as a trainer. And it wasn't until I got really good at my 90 90s to where I an ankle mobility to where I could get into a really good deep squat and just getting good at and getting connected to that internal rotation with the 90 90s on my hips. And then also doing a deep squat kind of strengthens all of that, right? So once you get to a place where you can do a good deep squat, now I find I don't have to do any of those movements anymore. I don't have to do any of that stuff. All I have to do is squat deep once a week. And that strengthens that entire complex hip complex so well that I've completely eliminated any low back pain I used to have. Next question is from RSG conference. My wife and I are expecting our first child in seven months. How should I train and eat now to set me up for a successful first year of being a father? This is a lot of things that will make you a successful father. But I think they're obviously talking about in regards to their physical fitness and health. Muscle is extremely protective. Okay, it's very protective when you're sedentary. It's very protective when you lose sleep. It's very protective when you're under a lot of stress. All those things that I just mentioned are hard stresses in the body damaging and you're going to experience those being a new father. And having more muscle on your body is just going to mitigate. It's not going to completely protect you, but it's going to mitigate a lot of the damage from lack of sleep and more stress and maybe diet not being ideal. So what you want to do is you want to go into it feeling strong and having a good amount of muscle. What does that mean? Go into it over-trained. I think some people take that advice. Oh yeah, they go super hard and intense. Yeah, I got to train for a competition right before I have my kid. Do not red line before you have a kid because you're going to screw yourself. You also want to go into that, especially the first three months feeling healthy while rested and recovered because it's going to hammer you. So those are the two things I would say. Build muscle, be strong and make sure you go into it feeling rested and recovered. And then that should help mitigate a lot of the damage. I mean, yeah, I think that's, I would have went- Consistency. Maps anabolic, build as much muscle, speeding that metabolism up. So increasing calories over time, right? And build as much muscle through that program as I could. And then I would transition to like a maps 15 when the kid comes. Oh yeah. I just think that program compliments mom and dad life so well. It's your most flexible option that you're going to have. Yeah. And if you did a really good job of taking Sal's advice and building as much muscle and strength going in, you'd be amazed how little you have to do to maintain that. Yeah. And, you know, you'll be able to build all that muscle from running anabolic and then you go into, you know, dad life and just running maps 15, you'd be surprised how much of all of that you still keep by just stimulating the muscle with two big lifts every day, you know? Yeah, really, you just got to look at it. Whatever you're putting in right now, consistency wise and like focused all of your attention towards building muscle, that's what's going to carry you into this. And so that's, it's muscle preservation mode once we get to that place and maps 15 is going to help to kind of at least keep that muscle signal alive and stimulated. Yeah. I mean, in extreme case, I mean, you have studies on people who are hospitalized with illness or injury or like bedridden and muscle is very strongly coordinated, excuse me, correlated to successful outcomes because you're going to lose muscle and strength when you're bedridden. That's an extreme case, right? You're having a kid. You're not going to be in the hospital, but just to get used as an example, it's so protective. Like one of the best things you could do going into a challenging stressful position or situation is to have a buffer of muscle. But also I have to stress this because what a lot of people will do when they hear that is I got a red line up until the day the baby's born. No. You also want to be recovered and rested. So do this well within the range of what's appropriate for your body. Don't push yourself to the limit because then you're going to go to... You're not maximizing your build if you do that. Yeah, also, right? But then you're going to tip over into your body can't handle it when the baby comes. So if you just do those two things, you'll minimize the potential damage. And then the bounce back will be real, will be made real easy by doing that as well. Next question is from Jonathan Sosh. What does it mean if I never feel hungry? I can go all day without eating and never feel hunger even though I can tell I need to eat because my energy is low. This is an interesting one because... Did you ever feel this way as like a young kid like when you were trying to build and stuff like that? Like you didn't have much of an appetite or did you always have like a big appetite? I didn't have a big appetite but I never had a no appetite. I pushed my food intake because I was going crazy with trying to gain weight. I mean, I kind of struggled with this a bit. Once I started cutting out breakfast and was like deliberate about... When I started the whole fasting thing, for me, it was like... It started to become too easy for me not to eat breakfast over like a year or so. And then it was like I just wasn't really interested in eating very often. I had to like start eating again and kind of get back in the rhythm of it to build an appetite again. So I agree. I've definitely been here before and I think it's really interesting how the body adapts, right? It's like... You may not remember what that... Maybe you've been this way your whole life and so you've never gone the other direction or like Justin's case where you've transitioned into like meal skipping or what about that and then also in the body adapts and then it's not a big deal anymore. I had to train myself to get an appetite to build and grow. Like I naturally could go all day and maybe eat once. Like I could... And I still have that... Like if I were to like incorporate intermittent fasting on a regular basis, I could easily go there. Easily go there. In fact, there's periods in this... that we've had this podcast where I've gone over just two meals a day and I'm totally fine and I can go on stretches like that. But it's really hard to build muscle like that. I mean, you just can't get enough calories and protein to do that and so sure it's okay for weight management but I don't... I care about optimizing my health and building muscle. I would need more information because lack of appetite or low appetite, it can become an issue in certain circumstances but otherwise it's not. Like what you're talking about Adam isn't a problem except for you had goals to pack on muscle. In other words, it wasn't like you had a health issue. So low appetite that's related to poor health or that becomes a problem. Well, that's usually based on something psychological, something, you know, some kind of mental distress or stress or dysfunction or poor health, hormonal health or gut health. Right. But if this is coming from someone who's like hey, my appetite isn't high enough for me to pack on muscle, then the strategy is completely different. So if it's due to dysfunction, well, we got to look at why you're why you're opposed to eating. What is it about food that you're connecting? That could be underlying too. Like you mentioned gut health. Like that's something like I didn't really like put those dots together. Oh, and so, you know, that could be something to investigate in terms of like there may be, you know, some intolerances, some, you know, something there to address in terms of your gut health. Oh yeah, my gut health soft, my appetite's gone because I think my body knows like eating and you're going to feel terrible. If this, if you're a normal healthy person. Okay. And you're like, I think I should be eating more. I just don't feel like I eat enough. Then strength training is one of the best ways to stimulate a nice appetite. Right. When your body wants to build muscle, you tend to have your appetite tends to go up a little bit. Yeah. And you'll be one anabolic. I always hear people say they really increase their appetite. Appetite libido. They'll mention if your appetite is low and it's affecting your health and your doctor and people like you need to eat more, then I would look at your, I would look at hormonal health, gut health, something underlying. But otherwise, if you just want to gain muscle and it's hard for you to eat more, there are strategies. There are strategies to help yourself eat more. This is where I would tell someone to seek out more palatable food. This is where I would tell people to eat, you know, carbohydrates in the morning. It will tend to stimulate appetite a little bit later in the day. This is where I'd tell people to avoid foods that cause digestive issues for sure. Because, you know, if you're trying to gain weight and you're eating large meals and the food is causing some bloat, it's going to be really hard for you to eat later on. So like easily digestible food makes a big difference here. But I do need a little bit more information to help the person. Yeah, we're giving as best, I think, generic general information. I mean, I read the question and I saw a couple of people underneath that also jowled this. It didn't sound like it sounded like they have trouble eating more. To gain? Yeah. Here's another, there's another thing that happens here too. This also happened to me where I could go all day and I eat and then for dinner I had, you know, McDonald's with two big macs. Did they hit you all at once? Yeah. And then I eat this super heavy saturated fat meal and then I'm good for another, you know, eight to 12 hours. I don't want to eat again. So one of the things that actually helped stimulate my appetite was actually eating clean. Was starting the day off with like a bowl of oatmeal with some whey protein and blueberries or strawberries inside of it. And then I'd be hungry again and then I'd eat another meal which would be like chicken thighs and rice. And I actually found that these food, which also might have been playing into your point about the gut is like what I might not know what I was doing was one, gotten used to only eating once a day, then I slammed my gut with this junk food that was garbage. My body is just like trying to figure out how to process and digest it and so it's working all day and night to process all that. So it keeps me from being hungry again. And actually just by eating clean foods, I wanted to eat more. But I had to train that first and I had to start with lighter stuff like an oatmeal or a yogurt type of first meal because I was trained for so long not to eat. And then that started to stimulate the appetite and then I wouldn't make the mistake of going and having like because I did go through this phase too where oh, I'd have this big you know, Quiznos or togos sandwich and chips with, you know, a Coke to wash it down and then again, that same feeling I would have I'd be full till dinner time. And so eating good balanced whole foods helped stimulate my appetite and made me want to eat more. Easily digestible. Yes. That's a big one. That same thing here. I did the same thing. I would eat garbage trying to pack in the calories and then I couldn't eat for four hours because I just felt like crap until I started eating foods that could digest really well. That was no problem. Then an hour or two later I was like, oh, I could eat again. By the way, if this is especially people with really fast metabolisms who have challenge getting enough calories. I had so much success with my young male clients. At one point I had a few young male clients. They were all athletes, you know, football players. They wanted to put on muscle and it was such an easy way for them to gain weight. It was so funny. It was like, have a big glass of milk with each meal. It's all I told them to do and it was like five extra, 500 extra calories and it was for they didn't have any issues with me. It was protein, a little bit of carbohydrate, some fats and it was an easy way to add calories. Next question is from CMOS 23. For each of you, what five things do you wish they taught in school? Oh, I'll tell you the number one thing. I'll tell you the number one thing that I think they need to teach in school is they need to teach kids about money. Yeah. Finance was first. Finance, credit cards, loans, like investing, living below your means. I just don't understand this is such a big deal they teach you that you have to learn this on your own after you get out of call. It's just such a big deal that teach you how to get in debt and that's about it. They don't teach you anything. They just tell you to get in debt. It's crazy to me. I think that I think millionaire next door should be a read. It's something that every kid in high school should have to read. I just think that should be a mandatory read. Unfortunately, by the time I found that was a good recommendation from Mike Matthews after I had gone through all the bad behaviors and I was like, I'm going to get a piece together all that stuff because it's just and it's a lot of the stuff in there. I was like, wow, I would never guess that. I would never guess the type of car most millionaires drive and, you know, how when the most things they have in common or like how how below their means they live and the five most so the the five most common jobs of millionaires I would have never guessed that either. Like there's things that you assume a relationship with money that has allowed them to stack it and invest it and be smart with it. And so I agree money self-awareness would be another thing. So like teaching kids about emotional intelligence and self-awareness and social awareness which has a lot especially today with just like you know communication working with others also like the self-awareness tool of understanding how to reflect on yourself and be constantly pursuing growth like I just think that is talked about and highlighted in schools so that would be something I would teach alongside with money. Let me give you an example of the money one this is why I think it's such a big deal okay. If you had a $500,000 loan which would be like a house right at 3% interest which we had that not that long ago your monthly interest in other words the money that you're going to interest not going to your house it's literally going to the bank is $700 a month you go up to 5% you think you're going to have an interest that's the difference with those two things do that over the course of the loan and you're talking about a significant amount of money that's gone and most people have no idea what that looks like where I know kids will graduate college with credit card debt will pay a minimum payment I've done this before I'll show like young cousins of mine I'll be like do you realize you've spent to pay that down that $7,000 loan that you're paying interest you've already spent $25,000 how many times would it actually worth because you got a loan on it it's that was a big one I like what you said about self-awareness I don't know what that would call that like philosophy they used to do that right they used to be a class that was you could probably under emotional intelligence under emotional intelligence you would categorize like self-awareness social awareness I think those are I think entrepreneurship in terms of teaching somebody how to run and operate small business companies that are being thrown out there that really like cause friction and people have no idea how that affects like the entire ecosystem within like their local communities and everything else it would just I think that like most people I tend to argue with like have no idea like what it involves in terms of like being able to sell and pitch you know a product but also too you know organized staff like all of the inner workings of a business I think is so valuable to take into any kind of profession you know what's funny is that back in the day there were certain classes that required that they eventually took off but they took out as being requirements but I think that there was a lot of wisdom in what they were telling kids to do cause now we know the value and I'll give you one simple example music music was required for a while back you know 30-40 years everybody took some music and then they took it out cause like oh it's not science not technology it's not math music we now know the data now shows contributes to your ability to learn all those other topics science, technology it helps you learn better it helps you learn better the brain is wired to remember through music the fact that we take that out is incredible it's terrible I think they should put that back in I also think PE or fitness start taking that out why because oh they can do that on their own we need to focus on again, science, technology and math we know that fit healthy bodies learn better or less depressed less anxious and just overall people are going to innovate better you're going to have better citizens that was wisdom put that back in make that something where it's required learning where the kids go out especially nowadays they're not if they're not playing a structured sport they're not playing they're not doing anything I think that's another one I also think that more effort towards economics I think the economics class that I took was like half the year coupled with my history and it was very it's all theoretical very biased the way they taught it I think really getting kids to understand really how the world works money wise financially I think we would look at I love Peter Schiff's book it's called yeah that's right why economy grows and why it crashes I believe something is close to that I think that he teaches it in such a layman's way that a kid could understand like that and I think understanding fundamentally how our economy got to where it's at really makes you look at some of these the things that we try and pass today is like ridiculous and silly and things that we think are helping others but yet in the grand scheme of things are really potentially hurting all of us so if you don't have a good grasp or understanding of basic economics and how we built this country I think that you can fall into this trap I think oh yeah that's a good plan we should give money to that person or help that person you know it would be good to be some kind of mentorship where a class or you know a year or semester would be we have all these local businesses allow you to go work for them they're not going to pay you but you get a grade just to you learn a lot working for someone else you learn a lot how to work with people you learn how to produce you learn responsibility and confidence you used to be able to do that you used to be you get a work permit you get a work permit at like 15 I did that you get a work permit at 15 and then you get some credit to I forgot what credit I got what class I got credit to but I remember that I could do that back there and then you know maybe some basic like they used to call it home act you know because you get these kids that move out I don't know how to do a damn thing for themselves they're worthless yeah you know yeah I was going to totally bring that up in terms just the basic things to keep you to not just survive but like just basic things around the house that you could fix you need to like you know rely on other people to do it not to say you have to do it just you got to know how to do that kind of stuff like so you're not worthless we keep going we might write a whole new curriculum here the problem is with everything that we're saying you know what the problem is all of this would go through the filter of you know public schools meaning if I'm like we need a health class to teach people how to be healthy and eat healthy and all that stuff it's going to go through you know their special interests and all that stuff and then they're like hey kids here's what's healthy for us if like follow some new fear mid that's upside down and stupid stupid and here's debt here's what's good go 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