 Welcome once again to the breakfast here on Plus TV Africa. Our next major conversation takes us to Kaduna State, where we're speaking this morning with Reverend Tunde Adishinal, who is a victim of a demolition by the Kaduna State government that they have said is unlawful, seeing that hundreds have now become displaced, even if a lot of these persons have CFOs that were given to them by the same Kaduna State government on land and property that were purchased from the government. Good morning Reverend Adishinal, thanks for joining us. Reverend Tunde Adishinal, can you hear me this morning? Yes, I'm with you. Thanks for joining us. Alright, so welcome and let's start with you giving us a breakdown of what exactly has happened to yourself and others in Kaduna State that have been affected by these demolition. Yes, our properties there in Greece land was demolished on the 4th of October 2021. Okay, what is the background before the demolition? Was there a warning? Is there something that made the government go ahead with the demolition? Well, the background information that must be known is that if a host of us came into that environment as far back 1996, 1997, and we met with the original owners of the land, they collected our money, allotted the land to us, they gave us receipts and we followed the normal procedure. We went to the city key of the environment, he signed our papers and the district head also signed the papers and when it was time for us to build, we took our drawings to Kasuda and Kasuda gave us the right to build our properties. Now in the process of time, there was a need for us to also get the see-of-all. Our papers were first taken to the local government, the local government gave us the local government see-of-all which we invariably took to the state and the state gave to some of us the certificate of occupancy. They thought I might fix about four years ago, 2nd of October 2017, assigned by the state government. So we had had some challenges with Kasuda for some time, one year they came and said we had trespassed into aviation land during the days of the late Emma. We went through and the aviation authorities were brought in, the long and short of people there, they were able to see their own victims and they understood that they were the ones that were even trying to shove into our land. So by the time they got to know their own demarcation and where their land actually stopped, they now had to build their fence. So after building the fence, they still made some troubles and eventually the Emma pacified with a very strong power delegation brought in to mediate. So after the long and short of it, we in the community now decided let's go to court so that the court cannot be tried finally. So by the time we went to the court, we had the court judges that took Kasuda never to enter into our environment to terrorize or trouble us anymore because we are bona fide bonus of the land and whatever we needed to have been correctly done. Now we also had two rulings or two judgments against aviation telling them that they do not have any land that extends into our land. So but unfortunately this year we just woke up. I think during the 1st October break into the 2nd of October, we just told us that they are in 24-hour ultimatum given to those of all that in Greece land to vacate or release the munition. We thought it was a joke until we saw bulldozers you know coming to our boundary and by Sunday evening we saw some armed men, some of these I think that these or so the vigilante came in at about 8.15 in the night when after NEPA had taken their lives the bloody whole environment under siege and the camp to this man came in and we were all given into our homes and before we knew what was happening there it was the demolition exercise started. The demolition started at 8 p.m. Even if we are operating in a place illegally and we expected that Kasuda should have at least given to us maybe a month or six months or probably a year and that's when you pay to somewhere better but for to give 24 hours on a local radio I mean and subsequently that was all we got. I think it was into a proper show. I mean people like us who had followed the due process and were giving all the legal papers and so that's the background and that's where we found ourselves and we had to become homeless. I think about 160 houses according to the report we had that were demolished. So what is the I'd like to find out what the state government's response is to all of this now. What is the state government's response to this situation? What I'm trying to find out Revan additional does the state the Kaduna state government claim that any of those court rulings were in its favor or does the Kaduna state government is government not aware of the court rulings that grant that gave you know judge a ruling in your favor and the favor of the other people who purchased land in Greece land. I'm asking is the Kaduna state government not aware of the court rulings in your favor? And so on the 3rd of October at 8 p.m. A demolition started. Yes at about 8.83 in the night. So how have you know yourself and the rest of those who had property there what have you been doing since then? Well we've been coming together to brainstorm and see whatever we could do probably to seek how the state could come to probably replace what has happened if they would give us a decision. Okay so however is there any hope that you know government would make some kind of provision for the persons who have been displaced because I'm still trying to understand if you say you have the certificate of occupancy I'm wondering why you know that demolition actually took place? Is there any talk about compensating you for your land or for your property that was demolished? Is there any talk about compensating you for your land or your property that was demolished? So where are all these people currently living? Did some of these people live in Graceland before the demolition and where have they all moved to? I'm asking about where the people whose homes were demolished. Where have they now moved to? Where do they currently live? A few of us had had to just look for how we can fix ourselves. Some are still in the hotel rooms some have gone to stay with their loved ones and so that's the piece of their fate. So it's a really really shocking story. Can you speak a little bit more about the the aviation angle? It's that you were speaking about aviation thanking the Kaduna State government for the land I was giving to them. Is there something you know is there some politics being played here? Pardon me? I'm asking if you can speak a little bit more on the aviation angle. You said that the the Ministry of Aviation is thanking the state government for the land. Is there some some behind the scenes politics being played here? Well honestly we wouldn't really know where this the whole thing stemmed from because it took us on our way and if it's a team one has prepared for probably one would have been able to find out what actually led to all of this. Okay all right. Raventunde Adishinal we are really sorry about what has happened to you and to the you're many in a hundred plus families. We hope that we can keep the conversation going until there's better you know clarity and the Kaduna State government does step in and does what is right but for now we of course are sorry and we hope to speak with you again as soon as possible. Thank you very much. All right. You'll have a great day. Well this is what we we're probably it's a very sad situation and makes no sense you know that demolition will take place at 8 p.m. You know another you know usually before you know you have demolition happening and all of that because I have actually seen where state governors and back on all of this the question will be because everyone has a right to own properties and all of that so you know the fundamental human right at this point in time is also been questioned did they get a caught injunction to and back on that demolition but however from the conversation with him it shows that there's a lot of you know clarity there's lack of clarity as to what is really going on the state government has not responded and the feet that seem to be a little bit you know helpless at this point in time but let's see how all of that actually developed. There was a caught injunction you know it shouldn't take 24 hours you know 24 hours notice before demolition. That's exactly what I'm saying. You should be months at least and then of course I'm sure that there's also the the opportunities for them to appeal you know that injunction or maybe have a stay of execution that's so much you know that could have played out but you don't wake up you know someone in give up you know 24 hours notice in some local radio like he mentioned and then the next night not even in the morning. Who works at night? Who demolishes people's property at night if not if not criminals and that includes everybody who's in that government who was a part of that demolition. It's a criminal move and that's the only way you can describe it. There's no whether the government is aware or it's not aware it's a criminal move to wake up at 8 p.m. and go ahead with the demolition. So whether the government chooses to be a part of that criminal move that's their you know problem but it's just really really heartbreaking. My concern is you know how this persons who have been displaced are coping right now. It's a state that has a lot of IDPs scattered around anyway we need to wrap up. Well that's so much we can actually you know take at this point in time thank you so much for being part of the show. We'll definitely come through tomorrow with you know fresh conversation and stories and do not forget to catch up if you feel to be part of the conversation this morning when Facebook and Instagram at Plastiv Africa and YouTube is at Plastiv Africa. I am Messi Bofor to have a great morning.