 How do you step to the cow? What are you doing now? Are you lifting your hand or are you using your foot? Well, initially you're going to lift your hand and use your feet because your feet are what you use when you show. So the hand is a recommendation. Your feet are to say this is where we're going to go. And I like to step out past the cow's head and make the cow turn. And then you'll get to ride that horse across that cow. If the cow keeps going that same direction then it makes that horse think and not get tricked by it so much. So you can ride out in that direction. But it helps you get a lot more handle on your horse left and right with your feet. Which is, like I said, what you need to do when you show. You need to be able to do everything with your hand down. Come show day. Teach them to get up through the herd. Control them. Come with some pressure right there. And then keep walking forward because we want to drive up. And in the show pen up is better. Money is up as far as you can go. Not down pushed up against the herd. You'll see very few cuttings one there. You can also get, you know, when the cows are just driving off the cows can play like here and get a hold of you. There's no pressure from another horse. It gives that horse time to think. Why don't people probably drive off? Well, cutting has evolved so much, you know, it's about a huge stop and it's about running, holding a straight line. And you know, like we're out here in a round pen, people often have trouble visualizing straight lines in a round pen. You know, I've taught a lot of people over the years and...