 What were the assumptions and perceptions that initially influenced and guided your thinking about the criminal justice system and did those evolve over time? When I first started I think I looked at crime way more black and white very right wrong boom it's over and that absolutely evolved over time because I think as a judge what shaped me the most was those 10 years in the trial court. So the first thing I did as a judge was to go to all the places that I thought touched criminal law. So I went to a prison, I went to a jail, I went to a mental health facility, I went to most popularly known as halfway houses. So and it was incredibly helpful for me to not only go there and see the places but also to meet the people. And then as far as the evolution of looking at things as black and white, something done out of revenge, while that person might be doing something horrific, they think they're right. Do you see what? Because they feel like they're getting retribution or whatever. So it isn't necessarily so black and white. What's so interesting about what you said from what you said about going to the different institutions to also thinking about the influences within people's lives and what you would perhaps taken for granted, social context matters. Oh hundred percent.