 They should should have put one of those up Pretend I'm dumb about Star Wars. I remember having Was it a Darth Vader Bobo Fett shampoo? Mmm. Remember in the 80s. They just What was that? What was the aroma? I think it smelled like smelt smelled like Johnson and Johnson No more kids Boba Fett one smelled like greed and the Darth Vader one smelled like evil Smell of greed it's not like ambition Tom And a Luke Skywalker one smelled like innocence spelled like teen spirit All right, I'm ready to do this show Of you guys are Ready as well Well, then I'm gonna begin it at 14 30 today Let's go notes. All right There we go Thanks to everyone is what I'm gonna say at the beginning in five four three two one Thanks to everyone who supports independent tech news directly if you're not already become a dts member at patreon.com slash dtns Oh, we'll start it over because It was the jalapeno Why is that this happened this happened to me one day Okay, let's restart that All right, there we go. I don't know what happened I Even tested it right when we got on Oh, well Now you know now you know the preview Sorry, sorry 10 seconds we'll start it over And five four three two one Thanks to everyone who supports independent tech news directly if you're not already become a dts member at patreon.com slash dtns This is the daily tech news for Monday November 26 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline. I'm sarah lean And I forgot the day producer roger chang Having a lovely day Welcome back us because you were here, but we were gone on thursday and friday so much pie so much jerky We're getting back together Anyone in the u.s. Who celebrated? I hope you had a good Thanksgiving the rest of you I hope you had a lovely end of your regular week and enjoyed the new Weekend preview of daily tech headlines we can we can review that rich straffolino put in the daily tech headlines Feed on saturday that's going to be a regular feature But we're back. So let's start with a few tech things you should know It's a tale as old as vhs Perhaps microsoft and apple duke it out for something and these days It's for the title of the world's most valuable company by market capitalization. So microsoft passed apple monday being worth 8 point or 8 8 12.93 billion dollars as apple dipped below it To 8 12.6 billion dollars the two companies stocks prices fluctuated the rest of the day with the two companies trading places a few times If you care about these things Who's have one you care if you own their stock, I guess Businesses in ohio might care about this. You can now pay your taxes in ohio in bitcoin The first u.s. State to allow that these are business taxes not personal taxes companies must register at ohiocrypto.com Uh, although you might want to pay soon as bitcoin prices continue to fall uh, monday trading below 3900 dollars Let's talk a little more about whether you should use your mobile connection or your wi-fi connection Let's do it tom open signals speed test in 80 countries showed that wi-fi was slower than mobile networks in 33 countries wi-fi suffered from congestion of the airwaves in some locations Australians had the biggest advantage with mobile networks 13 megabits per second faster than wi-fi on average Qatar France Mexico turkey in south africa were among the other countries where mobile was faster than wi-fi However, wi-fi was more than twice as fast on average than mobile in hong kong the u.s Thailand is real and russia You know, yeah, you know that some of you just you just got caught going Wi-fi is way faster than mobile where I live and then oh wait I live in hong kong the u.s. Thailand russia or israel or israel Yeah, uh, it has to do with whether you have congestion of wi-fi as sarah said Uh, and really fast internet Uh, if if you have really fast internet On wired combined with high rollouts of of modern protocol wi-fi routers And maybe your 4g service isn't that great then you're going to have faster wi-fi but if you've got fast lte service And maybe the landlines aren't so great around you then you might have faster mobile. I I found this fascinating You know, it's funny. Um, I've got a little sort of lake pond Whatever near me and they have one of these like toyota sponsored, you know Free wi-fi and it's funny because I sort of look at that and I'm like I mean I don't need your like free wi-fi because you're toyota kind of thing because my my service is quite fast using my soul service in my particular neighborhood but I don't know. I mean, how much is that sort of thing still, uh, you know a drive where a company can, you know, can Do sort of a good will measure by giving free wi-fi in an area where they know a lot of people are going to be hanging out Yeah, it depends on the country. Uh, and there's certainly in india It's huge that kind of that kind of thing and and other countries as well I think in touristy areas, it's often appreciated. Uh by people, especially as roaming is still a little complicated You still can't always get the best roaming. Uh, so yeah, I think that's I think that's something that that Will probably see go away as mobile service gets better and better And and as we seem to be slowly moving towards universal roaming, you know waving of roaming fees I mean, we're not there by any stretch, but but we're making slow moves toward that I was just doing a speed test right now Uh, my lte service right here is 14.9 megabits per second right now Now i'm going to turn on my wi-fi and i'm right next to the wi-fi router. So it ought to be Pretty good, but i'm i'm actually curious and you're hardwired. No, no, i'm doing it on my phone Okay, so i'm not hardwired. I'm but my wi-fi is hardwired I'm already seeing like 300 megabits per second on the wi-fi. So not even close well Yeah So you're you're you're i'm in the us. That's what I should have according to this open signal study Uh, speaking of the u.s. The united states spring court heard arguments and apple's appeal of a decision to allow a class action lawsuit Accusing apple of violating any trust law by restricting apps to only those sold in the app store Which the class action says it inflates prices now The reason it's going to the supreme court is the lower court said yes, you can bring this suit They didn't rule in favor of apple or the class. They just said you can bring the suit apple is saying That the plaintiffs lack legal standing to bring this lawsuit because a 1977 decision Which is considered a precedent in such cases limits damages to those directly overcharged Rather than the indirect victims of overcharging and apple's like the developers set the price if anybody's overcharging them It's them not us. We don't set the price, but apple does take 30 percent So that's what the class says. Yeah, maybe you don't set the price But you're the one charging us. We buy it through you Now here's how the justices broke down their reactions. It seems like they're leaning against letting the case be brought Uh justice kagan said from my perspective. I've just engaged in a one-to-step transaction with apple She said talking about the app store. She's like I go into apple I pay apple with my apple pay and I get the app Justice gorsuch wondered whether the 1977 ruling even should apply in modern marketplaces like the app store He thinks maybe we just need a new ruling all together justice kavanagh said plaintiffs would have more of a right to sue apple If they bought the apps from the developers And if apple bought the apps from the developers and then added it's 30 percent But the fact that apple just let somebody set the prices seemed to be kind of persuasive to him And chief justice roberts expressed concern that apple could be held liable on price both by the app developers and consumers If the suit was allowed so it wasn't a hundred percent and we don't know the decision yet But it does it it's always hard to read the tea leaves on these sometimes The justices will lean one way in their questioning in order to force responses That they'll then use to rule in a different way than it looked All right, so the question here is should apple be able to set prices. Yes justice lane Uh, should not not should apple be able to set prices, but is apple liable For inflated prices Since they take 30 percent and they don't let developers sell their apps any other way except through the app store One would think yes So you you'd say no you should be able to sue them for that I that would be my first response. Yeah Yeah, now do you think that you should that apple should be should lose the lawsuit which is a separate question, right? It's right. Yeah, you should be allowed to sue that doesn't mean you'll win them That's a harder question, right? Yeah Apple guilty of antitrust by not allowing third party apps in their app store because they don't set prices They just charge to get in the app store But they charge to get in the app store and there's no competition You can't drive down apple's percentage cut because without jailbreaking going around breaking terms of service There's no other way to get apps on the app on the phone I I I would welcome the community's responses Please feedback a daily tech news show dot com for now We'll move on to the next story venture beat published a photo photo a video rather of a restaurant receiving a call from google Duplex requesting a reservation back in june google said it would disclose all duplex ai calls by saying something like Hi, i'm the google assistant calling to make a reservation for a client. This automated call will be recorded Let everybody know But in the venture beat video you hear Hi, i'm calling to make a reservation for a client. I'm calling from google So the call may be recorded There's a difference here The verge has sources who say the reason is because the call in the venture beat video was made by a human at google Not an ai Apparently while duplex is in testing some calls are made by ai with some are made by humans Yeah, so this is this is interesting. I uh weird there was well, there was a lot of there was some Uh comment about the venture beat video saying hey, they didn't say they were an ai has google changed their policy The verge found out no that was just a human and so when you're a human Uh, they don't say they're an ai but the verge is asking should you Say you're a human if the expectation might be that this is an automated call Should you be forced to say hi? I'm a person from google I think a more interesting question to me Is why are they still having humans place these calls? I know that duplex has a failover if duplex gets confused it can hand it over to a human But why in the test are they having humans just do the call altogether? Uh, that implies there may be a capacity or performance issue on duplex Well Or maybe google is trying to collect information on whether um having a human versus the ai version Is you know better? Mm-hmm. Yeah, they may be doing some ab testing Whether like let's have some humans do it and and then we can compare results I think you I think you that's actually a really good reason why that why that would be so All right, but I mean we've talked about this on the show And you know a lot of capacity is the the idea of You know Do you have to tell somebody that you're a human versus a robot? And if you don't what are the implications of that? Are you confusing the person on the other end of the call? And you know Why are these calls? when when when do calls like this actually make more sense and You know, obviously as as we figured out it's it's still A bit up in the air Yeah, and and this is still in the testing phase not everybody has access to this So it would it would make sense that they they're just trying out some different things I I yield my objection Scientists from mit published a paper in nature last week describing a 12 second 60 meter test flight of a 2.45 kilogram plane So pretty light with no moving parts. That's the big part Yeah, it didn't fly long or even that far about the length of a high school gym And it was pretty light just a few pounds, but man No moving parts no quadcopter. No no rotors nothing Such a plane would be easy quieter easier to maintain and have no emissions The thruster used Uses high voltage to generate ions in the air Around two electrodes the ions get thrown between the electrodes colliding with air Which creates ionic wind. So you have twin ion Engines, even though it's not really an engine or tie Tie if you were to make these fighters, they would then be tie Fighters following me. Anyway, I think it's been on since the 1960s But they could never make it create enough thrust until now The current system may or may not scale to passenger planes. They're not sure they're going to try But they're not sure it could however be used in combination with traditional passenger jet engines to reduce drag Well, I will tell you as somebody who has a helicopter hovering over me Very often because the helicopter likes to see the the freeway activity near me I Welcome this My goodness, and I know you know plans and helicopters work a little bit differently, but the less noise Yeah I do like to know when the when the copters sometimes they're not just traffic copters sometimes they're police copters It's nice to know when they're there if it's a police copter that something's going on, but I don't want Flying things to be loud just because of that and this is crazy Like even if they're just the the the idea to reduce drag here Is you could have the ion engines sort of act as boosters for the air that naturally flows around a plane A lot of times and I won't get into all of the the physics of why but A lot of times the air that's flowing around a plane builds up behind the plane and actually causes drag and it slows the plane down You could make jet engines more efficient by speeding up the air That's going past the plane so it doesn't drag the plane down And you could use even if these twin ion engines are not good enough to power the plane entirely It could it could help make it a lot more fuel efficient. So Um, it's it's a pretty cool story And then you should check it out technology review.com has a great write-up on it or just go to nature and read about it yourself Crab zone security reports research from anti fishing company fish lab shows that 49 of all fishing sites in q3 of this year Used hgtps So showed up in browsers as secure sites. All right. That's up 25 a year ago 80 80 percent of users surveyed by fish labs believed a green lock icon in a browser meant That the site was legitimate. So remember hgtps and the green lock means the info You're sending to the site is encrypted and can't be read by others at least in theory, right? Doesn't mean the site itself is where you should send the data in the first place Yeah, this is this is really interesting. So so fishing sites and I I know some of you are imagining tuna right now We're talking about fishing as in like, you know, when you try to trick someone into giving you information So fishing sites want to trick you. What's one of the great ways to trick you get a get a free security certificate It it's not actually fraud To start a website and get a security certificate from it. So even if you're a fishing site You're not breaking the law by having a security certificate You're just saying yes the connection between my server and your web browser is secure Nobody but me the fisher can see what you give me now. Give me your personal data It's all about what data you're giving into whom Not just whether third parties can see it or not That's just an example of fishing sites getting smarter and smarter. And so you Have to continually if you want to be secure Make sure that your shortcuts if you're using shortcuts for security are valid and the green icon means ah Uh, I can be on this uh connection in a coffee shop and it's unlikely someone will see my third party traffic It doesn't mean ah the website i'm i'm Talking with is has been proven to be a legitimate website Well, yeah, and then we get into a conversation of how do we make sure that the general populace Understands the difference between those two Because you do But a lot of people don't we start with krebs posting about this We start with fish labs doing the report then we start with krebs posting it Then we then we have dTNS pass it along to all of you who then need to spread the word to your friends and family Hey green icon just means nobody can see what you're browsing doesn't mean the site's secure That's a tough one though because That's hard people like yeah, but oh so wait a minute so the green doesn't mean good Like people just went simple right. Yeah, exactly. Well, yeah, it's it's um complicated To get all the tech headlines each day in a simple manner about five minutes or less Subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com So sara facebook's making news again today Oh, man. I mean of all the days that tom and roger and i say Let's just not make facebook our main topic today was a day that we were like, let's do it Bloomberg sarah fryer has an article out today. You might you might have read it if you haven't Please do it's called facebook's. Cheryl sandberg is tainted by crisis after crisis So the idea is Cheryl sandberg is at the root of some of facebook's pr nightmare problems The buzz is around the fact that facebook already disbanded the war room that it showed off for dealing with the us in midterms Is relying on now something called strategic response team set up by cheryl sandberg. So again, it's sort of like When uber had god mode Uh, it doesn't sound that great war room. Okay. Well, they they basically renamed something cheryl sandberg Famously wrote a a book back in 2013 called lean in which advocated for women in the workplace In in in in most respects. She's she's she's very well respected and One facebook worker said As as far as as far as this whole war room thing is concerned She's always going to be tainted The person asked not to be identified for fair or losing their job. So, okay, this is this is a um Anonymous worse Now, okay sandberg is She she's she's she's she's a She's on top of Quite a bit at facebook. She leads legal and policy Makes her largely responsible for rising regulatory risks government relationships and We you know would be remiss if we didn't mention that facebook stock Since this this um this summer um has has has slumped quite a bit 39 percent So, I don't know tom roger everybody. I'm asking you Does this seem like uh, somebody who should be held responsible for For a lot of facebook's issues Yeah, I you know the strategic response team that you mentioned is set up right outside Cheryl's office She has a 10 30 a.m meeting according to this bloomberg article with them every day To help her understand what the threats to facebook are and that's that's an attempt to Rid facebook of the problem where Someone says russia meddled in the elections and you didn't do anything about it and they say Did they though was it really a problem and and are perceived as Responding slowly if at all this is to anticipate those sorts of things So the whole war room thing does come off a little bit as a as a pr stunt like we'll put together a war room for the election Uh, but really the solution is this strategic response team If the strategic response team is there to help Cheryl sandberg understand the threats to facebook If so facto as you pointed out that makes Cheryl sandberg responsible for the things that are happening to facebook and She has gone in the media eye the tech media eye from being a darling to Someone that needs to be blamed I think There's a worry About criticizing her this new york times article from last week. We talked a lot about zuckerberg in relation to that Touched on it the bloomberg article takes it farther and saying well gosh This is the woman who wrote lean in uh, she's one of the few high-level female executives in silicon valley Do we really want to drag down her reputation? On the other hand, it does seem like she is responsible For a lot of the things that facebook that people have been criticizing and granted zuckerberg's responsible for all of it Uh, but he is a level up from even charles sandberg and sandberg as you said is in charge of marketing sales policy and legal so Well, and I think I think this this This asks the question. Okay. Well mark zuckerberg is the ceo. Obviously, you know, he's the face of facebook But charles sandberg obviously has a hand in Much of the day-to-day operations of it. So how much of it? Should be uh, you know, put on her rather than him, you know, is he a figurehead? Is is is You know, it is is this warranted If if things aren't going well at facebook, um to to sort of dump on on sandberg Yeah, uh It's She I mean, she's responsible for the day-to-day in a sense. She's not the person who directs it It does become a game of of, you know, point the arrow, right? They had a head of policy Who was in charge of the policies related To their responses to things like the Cambridge Analytica scandal that person is leaving and nick clegg Uh the former deputy prime minister of the united kingdom is taking over at facebook as head of policy So the next policy problem is it sandberg's fault or is it klegg's fault? Or is it both's fault? I We start to play these games and I think it's sometimes hard for me to figure out whether it's the media having Deluded themselves into one narrative and trying to pull out another narrative versus what's actually happened And my feeling on what's happened with facebook is Same thing I said about zuckerberg applies to charles sandberg. She believed That they had thought of everything that they're really smart, which they are And that if people were pointing out a problem then the people were missing something because facebook obviously wasn't doing bad things They wouldn't have they wouldn't do things the way they are and it took a long time for her to realize Wait a minute. A lot of people think this is a problem. Maybe it is I think part of it is that um when you have An executive group that's had so much exposure and so much Uh through so much After a while, I mean you really can't whether whether it's right or wrong You really can't separate that individual from the litany of of issues whether it's legal political whatever And you know, it's one of those company things where you just kind of got to cut people loose Because the people that you have Aren't necessarily going to be the ones that are going to write the ship, right? I mean we you have this issue You think charles sandberg should go? Yeah, I think I think she should go I honestly didn't you know what she she might have not had any direct role in any of it But she is she is connected and ultimately she is the face and and and the At at being a coo she has a responsibility Even if you weren't aware it's your job to be aware and to kind of Soak up the responsibility on that because that's part of the gig now zuckerberg is a different issue And I don't think I mean I have my own I have thoughts on him too But as it as it applies to shows that she needs to go I mean that's it's it's one of those things where yeah, you know, maybe it's not her fault I mean it's just you I don't I don't think this boat will ever write itself if you have the same group of people Run, you know steering the ship as much as I don't like facebook and I don't use them much I also don't I also think the mistakes they have made are highly exaggerated and emotionally manipulated I I think if other companies made similar mistakes that weren't involved in the election Or with the emotional attachment people have to social networks that They wouldn't be considered to be the fireable offenses and maybe but that but that's exactly what facebook is Well, but i'm just saying like i'm not sure what damage has been done And if if you have executives that are now doing the right thing because hey nobody ever did this before And yeah, we handled admitting we were wrong really badly But we've learned from that is it possible that it's better to keep those people who've learned the lesson in their position Rather than bring in people who are more inexperienced In the brand new industry, you know, that's that's You know, that's that's always been kind of the reason for keeping the old guard And you know, there's a parallel industry to this and that's at least in the u.s It's the car industry You've literally for the longest time had the same group of people running things and they might have swapped out CEOs But was the same group of people You know the argument eventually was like listen, you're never going to write this boat You know, we're we're losing sales or our cars are coming out crappy You know the people who put you in this situation Generally aren't the people they're going to be able to pull you out But it's and that's there's a very demonstrable problem with the car industry They were losing sales facebook isn't losing sales The only thing they're losing is stock price which largely is because of a negative perception of them Which may not be based on reality Well, you know, and that that's why I said whether rightly or wrongly it is her direct responsibility There needs to be something that improves that relationship, right if it needs if it means she I mean, it's it's it's not You know, if in the in a perfect world yet everyone who's actually responsible for stuff Falling off the falling off the wagon gets gets pinned for it But we don't work in an ideal situation and if you were talking from a business perspective I mean at some point, you know someone something needs to happen and you cannot just have You know a press release after a press release and hoping that you can paper over the cracks until something better Down the road materializes and everyone forgives you Yeah, I'm not sure that that's what's happening with sandberg though And I'm not sure that you wouldn't be papering over the cracks by replacing her because I don't know who you get to do that job better Exactly Well, uh, you know who doesn't do it better Or or can't be bested anyway the people who participate in our sub reddit submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show Dot reddit.com. We're also on facebook if you Like facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show join the conversation Yeah, the conversation continues right here from the mailbag for instance Oh, it certainly does. So tony wrote in about um, our conversation last week where tom kind of took me to task saying You're an american. You don't realize that the rest of the world is very very cashless Yeah, I took you and everybody else Well, sure exactly, but you know, it's it's a good thing to remember tony says as you're aware Australia has somewhat embraced the whole tap and go system I've been somewhat concerned about a recent trip that my family had to your fairer country talking about the us My main concern apart from not tipping enough I've been present twice when a waitress has stood up and argued over a trip. That's a little weird But okay in that was having to carry larger amounts of cash around Not just because of the possibilities of robbery But not bringing enough and running out before the end of the trip as it turned out I was pleasantly surprised although perhaps not always true tap and go as pin numbers were often required All shops were happy to accept my card Even for relatively small transactions the only place that didn't was a small lunch stop We encountered on a tour which was well out of town Admittedly we stayed in a very touristy area of hawaii and perhaps other areas are not geared up for the same convenience I was still very pleased both not running out of cash We're getting chased down on the street by an upset waitress that waitress think that is a very unusual situation Yeah, that is no I am glad that that your experience was that there were more places you could pay with tap At four comparison. I was in a very small town way out in The outback. I don't know if it was in the outback. It was in rural australia At a pie shop that took my apple pay. So I was impressed by that I I I think that there are more places in the us that that can handle it than there used to be though So that's good. Well, you know, it's funny. Um, depending on where you're from and where you're visiting The idea of tipping can be a little it's either normal or it's a little weird and um, I definitely see uh, where where you were coming from, uh, tony um, it not that waitress should be Being rude to you because you didn't tip enough but there is an expectation and there is a sort of unspoken understanding of how it works if you're used to it Well, where does it maybe it's just the way that it works But it's it's it's somewhat odd quite honestly because it's a social thing Rather than an agreed upon A monetary thing Yeah, and it seems like hardware is usually the the blocking silver blade points out a lot of places Don't have tap because they don't want to get new hardware They don't want to pay for it And i've noticed that smaller shops often will have tap because they're brand new and they just Got an ipad-based, you know cash register system or or something like that So it is interesting how it how it all rolls out Hey folks, we need 12 of you to sign up for dts to hit our monthly goal of one more patron than last month We've got four more days left in november. 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Yeah, uh, yeah, you know, it's you're right You know about whether or not she like it will actually fix anything But it's like it's one of those corporate things that at some point someone needs to fall on the sword Yep, it's my job to disagree with you on the show so For that I will fight you over pie Ah, I like this fight Fight with pie. Yeah, hi fight. Yeah, hi fight. It has to be real. I know that like shaving cream Yeah What are we gonna call this episode? We're going to call it Um Sandberg right ahead get it like Um like iceberg with sandberg Um, there's also tie fighters Tire of your of your not so subtle Uh, not at all subtle not at all subtle Twin ion engines though. Yes not engines they're electrodes But that still works for the twin ion electrodes still works for tie Ask your CEO sandberg is right for you That's pretty funny Ah, yes, I think that is definitely all right That's it Um Did either of you Used to listen to dr. Demento on the radio a little bit. Yeah. Yeah The reason I ask is because we mentioned shaving cream and I rich I Automatically went to the shaving cream song which was that dr. Demento staple I have never listened. I know of dr. Demento, but I've never listened Really? I mean, I've listened to him like when people have given me like oh, I recorded You would like dr. Demento Weird how I like weird out, but weird out also gives me Hives dr. Demento hives Like just some of it's just too much. I mean, yes Dr. Demento and weird out are not equivalent dr. Demento No, no, no, I'm just saying I'm just saying if you like that kind of humor Dr. Demento is your jam But but but I also I've had this conversation with people before where they're like, no, I don't you know It's like you kind of it's sort of that youthful thing Like I was so into dr. Demento when I was a kid But I I don't know that I would be able to like Convince an adult now that it's cool and fun, you know, it's it's nostalgic Yeah, I've only known it as People playing him like it's like if it's like if someone has never listened to the Howard Stern show But instead you know him from all the clips and Sound clips and sound bites that you heard from a show that's dr. Demento to me like I have never listened to an entire show I heard clips. I've heard sound bites. Yeah, and I love dr. Demento when I was a kid Clips don't do dr. Demento justice because it's all about sitting down and listening to the things he has picked Right for an hour. Yeah plus so hearing a clip is like well, you might as well just play a song like it really You're not really getting the experience. I don't think Sorry, I was I had a deprived childhood. No, no, it's it's um, you really did I I I actually think Tom and I are more of the exception really Yeah, those kids are like dr. Demento. I didn't listen to that Mom is the one who introduced me to dr. Demento, which is I really for you probably not that surprising But my mom was not into strange stuff My dad was the one who was like he was into science and space and geeky things and introduced My mom was very much more, you know stayed down to earth But she was the dr. Demento fan And uh, I always think of this one Skit, I guess it was kind of a skit thing he played Uh about an alien shopping on earth and the only line I remember it was like Uh, do you have any green onions? Some people call them scallions, but they're really green onions Do you like see that stuff is like, yeah, okay, sure Well, so so your mom was not so much like a fan of like comedy as she was of You know with it little house on the prairie the thorn birds like she was always into drama and stuff Right, right struck me as as odd that she was like, oh, and I love dr. Demento when I was a kid Yeah, well, but I mean but that's sort of the beauty of The show I think it was like it wasn't just sort of like oh where you know, we're making Jokey songs out of other songs like it was very clever And you either you either wanted to be part of that or you didn't like it Yeah Firestein theater had a lot in common. Although it was fire sign theater took it even farther. Yeah Well, um, I don't know if dr. Demento is still around is it? led to fire sign theater which led to Uh, the not ready for primetime players which led to Saturday night life. So it's all kind of a bit How about that? But you know Demento it's weird because it's kind of like the prairie home companion. I've never listened to that show But I know what it is but Well, so it's funny. Um, so uh, my mom was visiting for Thanksgiving um a few days ago and Wow, it's still on sorry to interrupt but i'm shocked I yeah, it is Um, and she was like, oh, have you seen bohemian rhapsody and i'm like, I haven't seen it yet heard. It was good But my original thought was another one was the bus because it was you know Because that's something that I heard on dr. Demento and that's a weird owl. Um, but but like there there's so many kind of like childhood I don't know Maybe not all kids Feel as strongly about this as I do but it was it was like it was on sunday It was at 4 p.m. And it was on I don't remember exactly. Uh, what the call letters are now Sorry I didn't realize that was gonna play keep going Well, anyway, um, it just it it's just um It's a part of the fabric of my you know weird childhood. It is Always loved it Yeah, like all my and apparently it's still around so you know if you feel like you've been missing out Tune in all my radio listening was uh live 105 like for the longest time well Me too, but that's like that's literally like my dial never budged except for the the local Classical you didn't listen to K. M. E. L No No, I I got K. M. E. L stickers because their white van used to park down the block from my catholic school And then if you got out real early, there was just a guy in the nondescript white van Handed out K. M. K. M. E. L bumper stickers And it was just like the weirdest thing because when I look back on it's like Is that what you really want? Just a nondescript white van with a bunch of kids off the side because you're handed out free stuff. Well, I guess, um They were they were going for the youth, right? Yeah, I mean K. M. E. L It was wild 107 and then it became wild 94 9 And I think it still is um Live 105 was always live 105 Um, uh, what's the 104.5? Um k fog K fog Uh, I don't know we're talking about san francisco radio stations now. So yeah, roger and I are just going back in in in time But uh, but yeah Check this out. Hello there. I'm dr. Demento with a few words about my show for saturday december 1st Hanukkah is early this year So I'll have a happy stack of hanukkah hilarity for you And I'll also have our final top 10 countdown of the year leading up to the funny 25 countdown on december 29 And I'll also find time for some requests and some special surprises. Of course. I will I'm dr. Demento. You can hear that show anytime starting early saturday december 1st right here at dr. Demento dot com So he does it So he does it off his side as a part of uh I don't know if he's if he's carried on radio anymore, but That's great man. He has helped me I mean Off of website, so I'm no, no, no, I'm just saying like Yeah, I don't know if he's carried on radio anymore or not, but he's still doing it dr. Demento Another one rides a boat So many of those throughout like hey, you gotta listen. It's the funniest thing. It's like, yeah, I guess Um, did you know that freddy mercury was born in zanzibar? Yes, I did I did not My mom told me last month during the show you did. Yeah, I said the only person I know I were born in zanzibar was freddy mercury Oh, man. I guess I missed that. Um, that is such a good piece of trivia It is as back when britain still had zanzibar, right? And then he went to school in india Yeah British school, but still zanzibar Africa Yes, it's uh It's part of um, what is it? No, what do you do in africa? What do you Bless the reins It's it's the island off tanzania. Ah got the Right. Yes. I was trying to trick sarah to quote again I tried i'm like, nope got to do it I bless zanzibar. It just sounds like something you would go into like a bath and body shopping at like candles for Like I want the zanzibar. No, I want the zanzibar the bar. Yeah Your body butters. It's gonna be one of those kombucha's that you get Better than the hell of pain kbq. I'll tell you what, um, do you remember the store bare essentials? Yes Where everything looks like frank's dad used to own it What? Yes She said the other day like in passing she was like, yeah, my dad used to own this like I don't know like a soap store and I was like What soap store? Oh, uh, he probably never heard of it bare essentials. It was like in malls and stuff And I was like bare essentials Bare essentials. Yes Not just a location the entire company. I went to that was a huge deal Yeah When I was in high school one of my classmates her dad Started martinizing remember that dry cleaning chain martinizing. Yeah No Oh, you guys didn't have martinizing. Yep It was huge at least did the martinizing. Yeah Yeah, you said jokes like what is martinizing? Why does it only take an hour? Because they promised one hour to dry cleaning. Oh, I see That the joke was it should take longer Like what is martinizing? Like martinizing doesn't mean anything right? It's a guy's name. Yeah, right. Yeah Ising but it doesn't suggest Lander matter or dry cleaning Uh affect every single article of clothing With his powers and martinizing dry cleaning started in 1949 The parent company is the largest dry cleaning franchise in the united states Wow The kinds of things you can only hear about on good day internet Or the extended video at daily tech news show dot com. Thank you for watching Audio folks stick around what other facts will come you'll find out shortly