 of the Amherst Cultural Council is being recorded. It will be posted to the town of Amherst YouTube channel. I want to thank the co-chairs, Matt, Julianne, for all their hard work and everyone on this committee. So I will make you the host and we will catch up in the new year. Have a great holiday season, everyone. Thank you, you too, Angela. I appreciate it. Thank you, Angela. How much you've helped us. Okay, do you start? I will read the initial script about our virtual meeting. Pursuant to Chapter 20 of the Acts of 2021, this meeting will be conducted via remote means. Members of the public who wish to access the meeting may do so in the following manner by joining the Zoom link posted on the town website. No in-person attendance of members of the public will be permitted, but every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings in real time via technological means. In the event that we are unable to do so for reasons of economic hardship and despite best efforts, we will post on the town website a link with audio or video recording transcript or other comprehensive record of proceedings as soon as possible after the meeting. So now I'll take roll call. Matt. Here. Eleanor. Here. Robin. Rachel. Here. Okay, so to start, I hope you might have had a chance to at least glance at the draft numbers that we have. I do wanna give a few updates as far as there were some that we had not assigned values to by the end of the meeting on Monday. And I did assign numbers to them for our purposes. So you might specifically want to look at, I believe it was gallery A3. I have them in another email, just a minute. The Emily Dickinson Museum, and there was one other. Matt, any chance you could look that up in that email? Tell me what the third one was that I had to put an estimate on. Let me see if I can. Is it the cinema? I think we had a number for that. I'm not. Yeah, I'm sorry. I actually didn't realize that these were... I didn't realize that that was a question. Well, we had discussed them and ran out of time. And our cinema. Okay, so please be sure to note those in particular. Another piece of business was about Katherine Stryker's art installation, the sculpture for the North Amherst Library. We did get a letter from the Jones Library in support requesting this piece of artwork. So that satisfied any questions we might have had about whether it met our guidelines. And with those details in place, as far as how we were estimating as we went along, we ended up not allocating only $413, which is I think like 0.65% of the total that we're allocating. So what you have now includes those funds, they were added to Amherst Cinema and Gallery A3's grant requests, both of which are local institutions that serve the community on a large scale. But all of this is just a draft and it's up for discussion. And Matt, do you think we'd like to go through the denials next, just to be clear? I have not, I did not organize that in such a way that I could do it super efficiently. I don't know, I can do that. I'm just saying to you that that'd be the next topic to cover before we open it to discussion. Yeah, sure. I mean, yes, I think that's a good idea. You know, as we talked about before, the denial reasons are basically the most common one is just saying that your grant didn't bring as much public benefit as the other grant, as the other applications that we reviewed. And that's, in most cases, that's a pretty open and shut response. That is also the one, though, that is sort of easiest to ask a reconsideration on, right? Because, I mean, obviously the applicants disagree, many of the applicants will disagree with that position. And so I think we've had, last year, we had somebody who wanted us to reconsider and they actually don't come to us for that request. They go to the Mass Cultural Council with that request. MCC then hears their request and MCC is actually the one who makes the call as to whether or not we reconsider. So we didn't wind up reconsidering last year. But the year before, I believe we did have a couple that we reconsidered and that's just kind of part of the process. It's a natural flow. So, yeah, I mean, just because I haven't looked at them as a group, you know, I think there's a couple that we would say don't sort of conform to the arts and humanities. That's one of the denial areas that we've hit on, but mostly it'll be local. Yeah, and I'm happy to go through them one by one. And you make an excellent point that it's really not in our hands in the end, you know? So if we feel, you know, confidently that this, you know, either is not enough benefit or outside of the guidelines, we just simply state that. And it's in the hands of the grantee to come back and make a case, which doesn't happen all that frequently, but does. And then the final decision is to whether or not we have to consider funding it again. We will know, but we can't finalize it. I don't think we need to go through all 15. I don't, you know, I guess I would actually ask for you and everybody to just look at the list that's out there. And if there is any that are zeros that jump out as being caused for concern, maybe just take a moment with that. Because I think going through all 15, we'd wind up re-deliberating all 15 of them. I don't know if we wanna do that. Okay, just gonna pause here for a moment while all of you have a chance to take a look. And one thing that's really helpful is I look through the fever, didn't have a venue. Mm-hmm. Can I just ask the life appreciation through drawing and painting? That one was also no venue, no date, correct? Is that Masala? Yes. That was not enough, not enough public benefit. I see your note that says that, folks. You know, but I'm just, as I look at it, I'm noticing it doesn't have a venue or a date. That's true. And there's, let me double check, but I don't believe that there's any letter of support from any possible locations either. So we could certainly use that assignment as to why. Just looking at it, confirm. I have another one while you're looking at that one up. I'd like to also flag is the Taylor Rose Mickens Live and Recorded Concert. Mm-hmm. So the note that I have on here is that it didn't have enough local benefit is a promo album for a band. I don't, the fact that it's a promo album, I don't think it's something that we, I would not draw attention to that as being a denial reason. You know, I think many of our applicants are, you know, working musicians. And it looks like they're, we're planning a live concert professionally recorded at the Drake. I guess I might question whether that's, you know, I mean, do we have, is there enough reason to totally zero out this applicant? I'm trying to remember the discussion and there have been so many, but which is wonderful. I think there are budget concerns, but and I was listening, but I don't, I didn't actually share those budget concerns myself, to be honest. And I probably should have spoken up on Monday, but it was just a busy, I didn't. But I mean, people have concerns about like them creating merchandise, giveaways and stuff. And we can always just say it doesn't have local benefit. I just, you know, it seems like a pretty benign like a con, you know, it's like a, it's a non chamber music concert. There also was no letter of support from the Drake confirming the date, the cash outlay was. They've got a, they've got a specific date on here, April 29th, which, but you're right. I mean, if there's no letter, there's no letter. So just looking at the budget. Does anyone else, you know, recall or want to speak to what we spoke to at the time? It's too. Which one are we looking at? We are looking at, it's on page 422, roughly, Taylor Mickens and has more name than that, I think. Yeah. Taylor Mickens live and recorded concert. So one thing, Julian, I will say is that it, this letter is a little bit odd. It says, you know, we're currently working on getting documentation for our live and recorded concert at the Drake. When we get documentation confirming our date for our show, we will send it as soon as possible. And we didn't receive anything. So I think that might be the crux of it in the end. I think I could support a denial on that, on that basis. Because the letter of support cannot be a letter saying, TBD, we will get you, you know, like that stuff. And then they didn't, you know, so it's now, it's now, you know, almost two months later. And, you know, there's certainly, we know the folks that the Drake would be glad to provide the letter if somebody had followed through, right? Yeah. So I think that's, okay. Thank you for taking the time with that. I just wanted to be comfortable with the denial reason for that one. Okay. Does anyone else have anything that they just want to double check on why we might not be including it? If so, I have, once we're done with that, I have some other numbers to share. Just quickly, I know we, I remember the, I just wanted to clarify my memory or reconfirm. The one that was the application from Pioneer Valley Symphony, the one for the third and fourth grade students the mystery, the missing music one. And because the, the ask is 350 and our, as I recall, our reason for denial is just that it's not, there's not enough benefit for our local community. Is that correct? Because it's in Greenfield. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's in Greenfield for Greenfield schools, you know, it came down to, you know, all right, how many homeschool kids from Amherst are attending, like it was, and not only that, there was a bit of a, you know, the thinking that we, we do need to support our own schools. We are supporting our own public schools. And what's, what's the benefit to Amherst to shift that money to an event in Greenfield when we could, you know, further support our own schools? Are we all about set with going through the denials? Okay. So another item to call your attention to is, there were those of us, huh? I'm so sorry. Laura Wall and Sam Wink, the last, two out of the last three, both denials. I just don't have good notes on that. I'm sorry. The, the Laura Wall, we said was, it was exercise, you know, to, just really wasn't, wasn't appropriate as far as arts and culture grant. Yeah, I think, you know, everybody should get out and move, but there are other groups to, to fund an exercise weekly class. Makes sense. Okay. And then the other one, no date, right? Yeah. Yep. Okay. Sorry. Thank you. So, so now I'd like to call your attention to a grant that Matt championed and I, I questioned and out of benefit community, I think it is correct to, to leave it on there. And that would be the Hilltown help me out. It's, it's a grant for $700 to Hilltown families suggests. This is something that we have funded year, year to year. And it is a go-to resource for people to find our grantees. You know, that we're definitely divided on whether it meets our guidelines fully, you know, although there is another website, the, I believe the poetry website that we're funding. So is there, is there anyone who still, still feels firmly about denying this, this grant? I honestly hadn't even noticed that you had put the funding in there for that. So just so everybody knows, I did not slip the 700 in. No, no, I did it and quite frankly, I mean, if we're divided, we, while we do plan to vote on this as a whole, we can take a vote and let, let the majority, you know, point us in the direction of whether we, you know, deny that or, and we're funded. So, so the vote would be to whether or not to deny rather than, okay, yep. I agree with the vote. What was, sorry, what were the questions raised about this one again, if there's a way to briefly? This is one, it's, it's a website like online newsletter. It's updated weekly and it has a running list of all of the activities that are upcoming. Matt, you've used it quite a bit more. Maybe you can share, is it, is it a, you know, a weekly or can you look further out than a week? It's a well-organized compendium. It's like, you know, here's the hot events for the week for children and families. And then it's also, but they also do give you several months in advance, things that are coming up. You know, I, I think reasonable, there's a reasonable people, you know, there's reasonable arguments for denial because it's a, it's an aggregator. But I think when I think about our mission of supporting arts and culture, and, you know, I literally just think about, you know, having kids and saying, what could I do this weekend? That's, that's, you know, unique and cultural for my kids and opening up that newsletter and getting three or four ideas every single time. And then talking to Jenny, Jenny Lind, you know, who was a wonderful member previously. I mean, she was the one a couple of years ago when it first came along. I remember she just was such a passionate, you know, champion for it, having used it, you know, a decade ago with her, when her kids were very young. So, you know, but I think there's a reasonable argument against the aggregation. I just, I'm not convinced that we have a guideline that actually says aggregators are a problem. You know what I mean? Like I'm not sure that that's... And it does, you know, if it comes down to community benefit, it's hard to get around that for all of these events to be beneficial to the community, they have to be known. And to not, you know, continue to support a resource that, you know, truly is, I mean, it's basically free marketing for all of our grantees and folks that aren't our grantees that, you know, would be of interest to our community. So the way I, when I kind of stepped back and really thought about it, for $700, we're delivering a lot more knowledge about the culture that's available even beyond our own grantees, which really is part of our charter mission is, you know, to make things happen, which takes awareness. So is there anyone who wants to call, wants to make a motion to call this to a vote or should we leave it as it is? I appreciate what you all have said. And I think that there's... I remember last year, somebody had also... I mean, I understand this is an aggregator, but I remember last cycle, somebody had, I think filed a grant to create a website or two, and then we denied that on the basis of this is not what our money should be used for. And I guess I started out just thinking this should be an outright denial for this particular grant, but, you know, if all of you, I mean, if we put it to a vote, I mean, the majority probably will support it to some level, but I don't think I would agree to grant the full amount. Okay, I can... That's my, that's where I stand. But, you know, we can go on it or not. Well, before we vote on that, you bring up a good point that last year we did deny funding a particular grant and most of that budget was to go to make a website. It was, I don't know, several thousand dollars and the purpose of that website was, I believe just to let families and school children in Amherst know that this particular group would like to feature their artwork in another event later. So at that point, it really came down to, in my mind, you know, benefit to the public because you can call the teachers and ask them, you can email them. Like we just seemed truly unnecessary to go about what they were doing in that way and expensive. And, you know, there are like Wix websites that you could just slap up there or, you know, free GoDaddy websites. Like it just kind of was unreasonable and just out of touch with a current approach. So, you know, to that end, I think we had very sound reasoning to deny that. So if you'd like to put it to a vote to determine, yes, Matt. Well, so I just wanted to chime in because I was just looking at the, you know, this would be the denial as an aggregator, I guess, that when we have, we have four kind of four areas for denial, you know, one is, one is that the thing doesn't align with the arts, humanity and science. One is that it doesn't have enough public benefit. One is that it's discriminatory and one is that it doesn't meet local criteria. And I was just kind of looking through there to see if, you know, if this aggregator thing is a concern and there's a sentence in the local council guidelines document on page nine that says, art refers to the creation of work in the crafts and performing visual media, folk design, literary and interdisciplinary arts. But then there's a second sentence that says, in addition, they also include the presentation, preservation of an education about works in these disciplines. And I feel like that second sentence does kind of hit on the sort of the value of the, you know, the presentation being the aggregation of the events. So for me, I think that that actually helps sort of reinforce my support for this as meeting our criteria. Yeah, I thank you for referencing that and sharing it with us because they do have visual depictions of events as well, right? It helps to actually get, you know, some of the art conceptually out there and to inspire the community. And I think, you know, it does really inspire the community to gather and that's at our core mission. So I truly support fully funding it. I'm sorry if I've taken us down a path where I was so resolutely against it, but that's one of the things, that's why one of the reasons I'm still here several years into this is, you know, Matt and I love to disagree, but he often brings me around and sometimes, you know, he sees these things my way. So I love our shared vision. And so Rachel, you don't support fully funding it. I know I have to put Eleanor and Robin on the spot to either of you support fully funding it. I would support fully funding it. All right. So I don't think we necessarily need to put it to a vote unless Rachel, you want a motion to make it official. No, no. I think it's just, you know, for the purpose of discussion, right? Yeah. Well, I'm glad we discussed it. I feel even better about it now than when I just slapped it back on the draft estimate. So thank you. People are part of the Greater Pioneer Valley Valley. And this is part of that. That's why we fund things that are not here. Yeah. Yeah. Being part of the whole culture of the Valley. And if this is something that's really used and, yeah. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. And it actually speaks again to our kind of regional events that, you know, to increase regional kind of collaboration and, you know, coming together, not just here, but, you know. So with that, I do have, you know, like I said, a little bit of analysis that I did for some areas that we discussed. So let me start from the top. There were 91 grants. We're allocating based on this draft, which is not official yet, 73 of them. 22 of those grants are fully funded. The average allocation across the 73 grants is $871. We talked a great deal about just how much percent to total we had in music. So music as a total, and in this case, I'm going by the MCC's categories of music and opera theater, and not including interdisciplinary events that include art and music. So, you know, certainly there's music at the powwow. There's music at the klezmer celebration, but my number here is just strictly where they self-defined as music or opera theater performance. So that's $20,700 is what we currently have on this draft. So it's roughly 33% of our total budget. And one of the things that I found really interesting here that supports probably leaving music where it is, is that the average grant for music is at $714 as compared to the average grant award allocation for everything at 871. So when we look at that and we look at the number of, without really going through with a fine tooth comb, but the number of times that a musical performance has several artists coming together, often with some sort of tech support. We're not funding them on average more than the rest of the grants. And, you know, music's a big deal. So I don't think 33% of our annual budget is misrepresent the community's desire to participate in musical events. So I'll give you a couple more things and then I'll open it up to discussion. We also looked at different locations. So the locations I saw as being a trend of having multiple grantees have their events there were Amherst regional public schools as a whole. So all locations and not including like Matilda where groups just renting it out. So the public schools, we have roughly $5,850 or 9% of our total 2023 allocations. The Bang Senior Center for the allocations in this draft, it's $2,250. So that's 3.5% of all of our allocations. And kind of looking at this and seeing, you know, that we're supporting the youth in our community at around 9% and the senior center at over 3%. We're getting, we are serving more people overall through the public schools, but, you know, the captive audience and from, you know, the endorsements we've heard of the cultural events that some of our council members have attended. I think it's money well spent, but it does seem to me to be pretty balanced after looking at that. I do think we should still have an open dialogue with the senior center and really have them help us in coming years understand which events are their priority so that we can factor that in. Last couple of locales, the barn in Belcher town, $3,200 worth of allocations, which is 5% of 2023, the Drake at 3,250, 5% again, and the Jones Library, North Amherst Library combined at 4,400, which is 7% of our total allocations, 1,000 of which we have set to be allocated to the North Amherst Library's sculpture installation. So that's all the number crunching I have and I would happily open it up to any, I'd like to start with any kind of topics, just big picture based on those numbers and then if we'd like to go into specific grants from there. You got, okay, everyone likes the numbers or numbers are boring. No. No, I think it's helpful to get a snapshot. Please, yeah, please go ahead, Robin. No, I was gonna say, I think it's awesome and possibly very helpful, you know, when possible future going for grants or talking to the town about where the money goes or whatever that is and also the out of town stuff. So we could show, you know, well, do we need different venues? Do we need more venues? Cause you think we do, but I thank you for doing that. No, I think it's kind of the day that's great. Thank you. Yeah, thank you for putting all that together. It's very, very useful. I'm curious, did you get any sense of, in terms of applicants, like what percentage of applicants actually are from, are not from right here? Does that make sense? Is it, I mean, I'm just trying to remember. I mean, that's, that doesn't have to, you know, really impact our... I don't think there's a quick way to get that. That would be a matter of going through, you know, grant by grant and looking at the address of the main applicant. And even at that, I think we have to be cautious with that approach because, you know, often a particular group, right? They'll, just often the main applicant is the person who actually has the time to draft the thing and write it. They sometimes use their home address. So it, you know, it could be that somebody who's over in, you know, Northampton is the one who's drafting it, but most of the group is Amherst-based, you know, so... Or the events are happening here because I think one of the things that we, I know we kept going back to was, oh, they applied to multiple LCCs. And that was something that kind of, you know, boosted consideration. So that's, I mean, I don't need, there was just something that occurred to me. It's not, it doesn't really impact. Yeah, I think it's potentially could be worth capturing. I think what Robin was saying overall about, all right, what about the ones when they're not even happening here? But that would be, in either case here, really kind of a deep dive for someone to go grant by grant. So I think we did a good job doing that as we went along, but to recap that I don't, I can't just filter and add an average. Any other overall topics for these, you know, groups and it's, you know, calling out that there are events at the Drake. Hey, we want that. That's a community center. We want events at the Jones Library. That's not a bad thing. It's a good thing, but I think it's good to have an understanding of, you know, how we're distributing the funds to the different locations. And it seems to be fair. You know, the one that had the larger number kind of is the barn, but I get the impression it's a venue that we don't have a similar version of here and in Amherst possibly, and that's why that would be. Okay. So if there's no other general topics to discuss, is there anyone who would like to speak to any particular grants that you feel might need adjustment? I do. Yes. And I'm here, I'm going to turn off my video and mute while I go wrangle dogs and run around my house, but I'm here. And so since I, and I wasn't part of the discussion the big band, Ken Longstreet's band, but it's 19 people and they do it. This would be at least the third year. It's free. It's mostly, it's well-known musicians. It's mostly Amherst musicians. And I just feel like $1,000 is really kind of low. And it also, it isn't free to just use your instruments plus I have to get here. So I was just wondering with the extra, what was it, 400 and? The extra 413? $13 instead of just doing that to like Gallery A3 and Amherst Cinema, if we could give them some more. Also just to acknowledge that they, you know, I know I'm looking for, I want consistency and payment and it's one performance, but it's also 19 musicians. And it seems to me it's kind of becoming like a tradition and Amherst tradition to have this, you know, what could be more fun than, you know, big band performing this, you know, free concert right in Amherst Center with Amherst musicians. So that was my really only qualifier. Is that the Green Street one, Robin? The, no, that they have. It's the big, there's quite a few of these. It's Ken Longstreet, right? Yeah. And since you weren't here for the discussion, I don't think that there was anyone who was opposed to fully funding it. I think it was a question of music percent to total and that it was a big ask. Is there anyone here who, you know, is opposed to fully funding it as it is, not regarding the funds that we have to distribute but just doesn't want to fully fund it? It's Jeff Gabioli and his Bad News Jazz and Blues Orchestra. I would support finding a way to fully fund it. It's local, it's here, it's, you know, community actually participates, it's great music and it's a lot of people involved and there's also, you know, technical considerations with, you know, sound and all of that, you know, audio stuff. So they do it. The whole community that puts it together does a great job. Right. So I have, yeah, I mean, I'm in full support of this application as well. I think, I actually think Robin's initial suggestion of just applying the 413 to that one is actually my preferred option as well and the reason is that, you know, I just took that 413 and kind of applied it to two large grants. I didn't really think about it too much but the more that I think about it, the more I like the idea of finding a grant that this is, this makes a meaningful difference to a high quality, you know, applicant, a known, you know, known, as you say, I mean, it's kind of a known applicant that's come through your free year. So it would make a meaningful difference in their budget and you know, if we do it that way, just move the 413 over to them that we don't have to, you know, pick funds out of multiple other grants as well. So I think it's a little cleaner that way. So I think that's probably the most, that's probably my preferred approach too. Excellent, I would support that as well. Is there any other discussion to be had? This is more of a question about a different one. I don't think I disagree with this. I just was trying to remember for the stained glass one, did we vote to fully fund that? And then was that adjusted? Is that what that 2,400 is? Let me take a look. That's a good question. I had the same question, Eleanor. Gonna take me a minute to find it. It's Musprat, M-U-S-P-R-A-T-T. Okay, so that, was it something in the budget? I don't think so. I think it was just that the, sorry, Julian, do you wanna go ahead? No, no, no. Now I'm going to look at the budget. I remember being very keen to focus on this one. So the, I think the majority anyway seemed to be quite supportive. And Robin had raised a point about a lot of the people who are helping out are not getting paid. They're just experts being consulted and donating their time. And I think, as I recall, we had said that we would try to fully fund it if we had the funds. That's how I remember leaving it. And so when I saw what you have there, I thought, okay, maybe it's because you were spreading everything around. So I didn't raise it in particular, but thank you Eleanor for raising it, because I'm very excited about that project myself. I should be able to find it here in the PDF too. Yeah, there, Susanna Musprat. So yeah, there was definitely a lot of long-term public benefit and the potential to really draw people to the area along with it, really creating historic record of this. So just to review the budget, it was going to be $1,200 for stipends. UMass advanced students to conduct necessary research for text and images to populate website was $1,200. I just, if we're doing that, it can't, can it be also for academic credit? Because if that was being done as interns, then I don't think, or like what's the word I'm looking for? No, we resolved, I mean, the issue was previously, I think we were a little unclear in our guidelines about credit earning projects. We resolved it, I think pretty clearly in this year's guidelines that allow for, as long as there's benefit to the public, we're not going to penalize people for being students. I do notice that we, so I support this as well. I think my feeling is we should find the $300 to fully fund it, because I recall an enthusiastic discussion. I've actually talked to several people in town unrelated to the ACC grant cycle, but I think this is something that folks are talking about, that the business improvement district is excited about at the cultural district. So I think it would be, I think it's worth it to find the 300. Okay, I'm looking through kind of starting from the top to see what we've fully funded. And I think the things that we fully funded, we felt really strongly about. So we most likely should not be adjusting those, right? Yes, yeah. And just for point of view, this comes in as our one, two, three, four, five, or sixth highest grant award. And this is a really meaty grant from us and most of the funding. So kind of moving down the group here, the Emily Dickinson Museum is not fully funded. They asked for 2,500. We have them in the draft for 2,000. Going down from there, there's ghost ensembles performing at UMass. But we've already taken them down to 1,500. So there's 750 less than where they started. We took the Valley wins, right? We have them at half right now. They asked for 2,500. We have them at 1,250. Christie could kind of spoken. Was it Christie who was kind of really questioning that? I apologize if I can't recall exactly. The Valley wins is really great. Yeah, she, she, so Julian, I just had a quick glance. I might recommend bringing, so line 64 is the Porter Phelps Huntington. We do love them. You know, it's a good museum. It's a great museum. They're not, you know, it's very, it's very much a Hadley Museum. So, you know, I think we could take, we could take half of it from there. And then the other half from, you know, one of the large grantees, A3 or Amherst Cinema, just to, you know, we don't have to do this either. But, you know, I think I hear from, you know, the members who are here right now. And I agree that this is one of, you know, this is a pretty unique grant for our town in terms of public benefit and local benefit. Okay. I think it's hard to take from Amherst Cinema because we're going to take from Amherst Cinema to put it to Ken Longstreet. Well, that was, remember, that was just my arbitrary 430. I would, yeah. I don't have a problem taking it from Amherst Cinema. Okay, so let me just kind of tell us, right? I mean, I was concerned that the budget was like half of what was needed for this. And you all said that there's a lot of support on, from the Cultural Council and the bid. And I remember Keviel saying that. And we're at students doing the research is just a vendor. So I don't think that's a problem that was just, is this enough money to do this? But that we should have this, you know, kind of. Yeah, I have to be saying that. We don't have this in this town, but. Just kind of, I'm looking at this. We brought Amherst Cinema up to 2,500, not fully funding them. So we're saying take an extra 150 from them. So they would be at 2,350. It's 2,500. Oh, I see. And then I have Ken Longstreet at 1,413 to keep things clean. And then I took 150 from Porter Phelps. So with that, we should be, let me just put another. But that does it. That's, that's what we're talking about. I just want to see that calculation here. I'm still off by 500 somewhere. It's good. I've got, I've got it here. It's good. So that's the 300 that the stained glass needs to get to full funding. Oh, that's what it was. I didn't put the money back up on the stained glass, I think. It's good. And then the 413, we just take that back from the May 3, Amherst Cinema and put that on the Longstreet. Oh, so I didn't take it from Gallery A3. That's what it was. So Gallery A3, was that an extra 200 something, right? Or 200. Based on the email we saw. So we had them at 2,300 before. All right. If Matt, Matt, if you've got it, I've seen enough numbers. I've got it. It's really just two very simple moves. I'll just say what it is. The 413 that I, someone arbitrarily just put on Amherst Cinema in A3. I took that back and put it to Longstreet. And then took another 150 from AC and a 150 from Porter Phelps. Well, wait, give me the numbers. What do you have for Amherst Cinema? What's your number for Amherst Cinema now? 2,350? No. Or is there another? I know that it works. I mean, I haven't applied that yet because I know where the money was. If you're going by the same numbers as in your email, Matt, then Julian, you need to subtract 200 from Amherst Cinema. So Amherst Cinema should be at what now? Help me. What's your number? Okay, you said you put 213 on A3. Wait a minute, Rachel, what number do you now have for Amherst Cinema? Well, if we're taking 200 from what you have, should be 2,500 that Amherst Cinema is left with. Is that correct Matt? That's another 150 is 2,350. Oh, you're taking 150 from there as well. Okay. 2,350? Yeah. Yup. So Julian, have you taken that? So right now, my total that I'm getting, I believe is short $200 that I don't have allocated somewhere. It's there, Julian. I'm not sure where you're... I'm not great with that. It's very hard to see what everybody's got in front of them, but it is there. Yeah. This is too pretty short form. I promise you it's there. Yeah. So you're saying we have an extra 200? Is Emily Dickinson supposed to be at 2,000 now? Or did I move money from there? No. That's correct. I don't need anything from there. So I can run you down the four changed grants, okay? Yeah, let's do it. So Amherst Cinema is 2,350 now. Yup. That's what I have. I'm just going down in order. Gallery A3 is 2,500 now. That seems like it didn't change, but okay. All right. No, it did. You added 2,13 to it. All right. Next one. Next one. Ken Longstreet is 1,413. And Susanna Musbrat is 2,700. And Porter Phelps Huntington Museum. That's right. It's 1,200. I'm sorry. 1,000. 1,050. Yup, that adds up. Sorry. Yup. Yup, I got my number again. All right. Thank you. No, thank you. So before Eleanor falls asleep, would anyone like to motion to approve? Eleanor, would you like to do it? Motion to approve. Motion to vote on, I think you have to request a motion to vote on the final allocations for the 2023. Motion to vote on the final allocations for the 2023 grant cycle. I'll second it. Okay. Second intervention. Thank you. All right. So I will now take a vote call here. Matt. Yes. Eleanor, you're a yes, because you, but you could say yes again. Yes. Robin. Yes. Rachel. Yes. Me. Yes. Thank you all. And wow. Anybody who's not in the middle of finals, everybody who's not in the middle of doing finals at a prestigious local university should just think about how much harder it would be if you were studying for God knows how many times. Yeah. Thank you all. And we've got our voting meeting done in less than an hour. Woo-hoo. Woo-hoo. What you did on this. All of us were having a quorum. We've got a quorum every time, right? We have not failed to have a quorum and that's saying something. It is. Yeah. Thank you for your dedication. Thank you, Juliana and Matt. Yes. Robin. Yeah. They are awesome. Yeah. But they did. Yeah. So thanks for all being willing to jump into this new process with us. I certainly liked it better, but then I was in charge. So I hope it went okay. And at any time, never hesitate to kick me under the table if I'm like going off the rails or something. We need to have an in-person meeting for that. No mutinies. Yeah, no mutinies over Zoom. I think that's a good one. I was trying that there's not even, you know how sometimes you can do a little like a moji reaction, like a clapping? I can't even figure out how to do that on this one. We had an unfortunate event with a chat a long time ago so we no longer have it and it's to protect. Don't leave your hand. Okay, yeah. That's why we can do this too. Exactly. It's interesting how many of the numbers, like based on our ratings, but by the time we finished deliberating, it completely changed from what the potential vote might have been. So that's a really interesting process. Yeah, I mean, I think it's a good, you know, local governance in action. I mean, we deliberate and we do change each other's minds quite a bit. I think that's, you know, that speaks to us as a group, you know? Absolutely. I'm going to just, I'm just gonna throw this word out to folks, anybody who's been wondering in the back of their minds, you know, as we went through, I did keep an eye on Robin's spreadsheet of folks who have or have not submitted their final reports for this year. I'm gonna do a one final review, you know, before we submit our letters, I'm gonna do one final review on that. And if anybody that we have approved for a grant has not submitted their final report, you know, they really, they haven't till the last day of the year to do so. And I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that that will not come up. But I am gonna do one last round of due diligence on that because, you know, I think it's really exciting to be doing the direct granting, but I also think that the responsibility, you know, it's chasing down folks who take the money and then don't do their thing and don't return their money. That's a stretch, you know? I don't think we're likely to do that very well and I don't think the town wants to do it either. So our biggest, you know, our biggest mechanism for making sure that this is successful, this is a good use of public money is, you know, from one year to the next to really track who uses the direct grant money appropriately. And so I'm gonna do a final check on that. I encourage, you know, Robin and Julianne, if you all wanna just double check it as well, I think, you know, we, obviously we give people the benefit of the doubt and, you know, reach out to them and stuff. We're not just gonna be draconian about stuff, but we should, since we're doing direct grants, we should be confident, you know, in that before we send checks this next time. So bringing that up, I appreciate it. Are you gonna send out? Well, I mean, check with me that I didn't miss something in. Yeah, I think it's crossed. Like I said, I've been keeping one eye on both spreadsheets. So I don't think there's anybody that I missed, but I do wanna do one last, you know, kind of methodical check. Well, there are grantees who did the gig and I know they did the gig, but we don't have a final report for. This year's people that we just voted on. I'm not sure because I'd have to. It's a bit of a research project, so yeah, I really appreciate you. Nice thought about it, like are we gonna give them grants if we don't have the final report? But I don't think we need to keep discussing it here. We just, the three of us have some work to do along those lines and, you know, we'll do our due diligence. So what you're raising is that of the people who have not filed their final reports that we're not going to be giving them grants again this year. Is that it? Like that's kind of the bottom line. Is that? I think we first need to find out, you know, how many people are actually in that situation and look at it, but I think we're good as we are set. And keep in mind that while we finalize this by our vote, we do have the process. We have to put the denial letters out. And then if there is anything that the MCC requires us to reconsider again, then we have a chance to reconsider literally everything. I hope we wouldn't, but yeah. I don't think we would, we wouldn't go back to the drawing board on that. I think we would just, those funds would just, you know, sit. Yeah. So with that, if we don't have any other urgent business, I'd like to, motion to close the meeting, close the 2023 grant cycle. When do we, do we have another meeting scheduled already or? There's a tentative tentative for January 4th. If we have business, otherwise I think we won't keep the January 4th date. We would set up a later, a session later in January agreed, Matt, just to put you on the spot. Yeah. Well, just since you brought it up. So that we, you know, if we have any reconsiderations that MCC, you know, advises that we meet on, then we'll need that January 4th date to do that. So that's, that's the, that would be the business. So hopefully not. Hopefully we can get these letters. You know, it does take quite a bit of time to get all the letters cranked out. So I think, you know, we would hopefully we'll be in late January, I think is my feeling. I agree. And I would say that if there was a reconsideration meeting, it isn't something that generally should be a long meeting. We would meet just long enough to discuss the business at hand and then adjourn. That's right. Thank you. So this late January meeting is yet to be scheduled. And I just want to make sure I didn't miss a date or something like that. Okay. Thank you very much. And when are you going to find out about this other $2,500 grant that you all made for the festival project? That's a good question. It should be before the end of this month. So we should know it. I'll definitely let folks know when we hear about it. And did we, did we vote to approve the $7,500 for the cultural district? Then if not, should we do that before we adjourn? I literally cannot recall. Well, that's, I thought that was in the slate of what we sent out. Part of the whole budget. I guess if it was on there, then good. We're good. It's on there. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thanks everyone. Enjoy the holidays. We'll cover everything else. Thank you. Thank you. Safe travels. Bye.