 Okay, so I tried watching the debate with a Marxist with Ashley and I made it through her initial monologue and I just couldn't anymore. It was just, I couldn't figure out a single coherent point, but it did remind me of a recent video I saw of a Venezuelan migrant at the US border being interviewed. And someone asked him, what do you think of of, you know, socialists in the in the United States. And he just seemed shocked at like that. That's even a thing. And his answer is, well, they shouldn't be here. They should go to Venezuela. What are they still doing in America and points around them. And it's all backpacks of my whole life in this backpack. But these are all middle class and upper class people here who could sell a house sell a car and pay their way to get here. So why do you think what's the real reason why any Marxist has not, you know, moved to Cuba or North Korea or or China and I wasn't alive, you know, in the previous decades, but were there lots of American Marxist or other people around the world moving into the Soviet Union? Did that happen? It happened very, very few though, very, very few. Well, I mean, for a number of reasons, one is none of those are the real thing. We'll get it right the next time. The second is we need Marxism everywhere. She actually at some point in the debate said that the reason the Soviet Union failed is that Marxism doesn't work on a national basis. It has to be global. It has to be everywhere, which is a great built in excuse for it always failing because when are you going to get it all over the world? That's absurd. But no, I mean, they don't want to, they don't want to leave the cushy existence and go and have to, you know, live in Venezuela or in the Soviet Union on Mao's China. They know, you know, at some level, they know how good they have it. I had an uncle who was a communist. And, you know, he was, he was what you call the armchair communist who was middle class. And he hung out in England and then laid in Portugal and he talked to talk for a while and he landed on marrying an aristocrat, a Portuguese aristocrat. And somehow the communism somehow faded away and he spent the rest of his life searching for his Jewish roots or whatever. So, yeah, it's, it's, it's an ideal they don't really want to achieve. They don't really want to achieve. But she was, she was more, I don't know, sophisticated is not the right word. First of all, she knew Marx better than most Marxists. And second, she, because of that, she had a great appreciation for capitalism. Of course, Marx was very pro-capitalist. He just thought socialism would ultimately through evolution replace it. But at the time he recognized all the benefits that capitalism had provided. And he actually claimed that capitalism would make it possible for socialism to arise, right? Because we got so rich that we could have an equal society. She had a better understanding of that aspect of Marx, but then she whitewashed a lot of what he was, what he said, and what it meant. She was very much into whitewashing his record. One fascinating part was where she said he was, she said, oh, a lot of people don't realize that he was descriptive, not prescriptive. Which I understood, does that mean like she views him as a historian? That's, you know, descriptive means, okay, so he's just describing the world. Well, that's a historian or a, that's not. There's a sense in which he's describing the word because what Marx believes is that it's an inevitable, there's an inevitable, everything's deterministic. So what he's describing is inevitable, what he's prescribing is inevitable. So it's not really a prescription because it's going to happen anyway, whether there's a Marx or not, right? So because capitalism has to turn into socialism, that's inevitable. It's not because he advocated for it, it's because of the nature of capitalism. He's just giving us a heads up of what's coming. It makes sense. Now it's not, you know, no determinants. It's like, it's like, what's his name Sam Howard is telling you that he wants you to choose, choose to believe there's no free will. Like, what does it mean to choose, right? He wants you to be, you want you to choose to be a moral person, even though you're not really choosing and by the way, he'll tell you there's no I, there's no you. Right. Because there is no individual consciousness. So the same with the Marxist. I mean he's prescribing he's describing, but he's really prescribing and he has a lot of prescriptions in. But there is that confusion once you become a materialist. What's the point in prescribing. If you're a determinist materialist. It's all written already. It's all predestined. It's all determined. It doesn't matter. What we need today, what I called a new intellectual would be any man or woman who is willing to think. Meaning any man or woman who knows that man's life must be guided by reason, by the intellect, not by feelings, wishes, wins or mystic revelations. Any man or woman who values his life and who does not want to give in to today's cult of despair, cynicism and impotence and does not intend to give up the world to the dark ages and to the role of the collectivist. Alright, before we go on, reminder, please like the show. We've got 163 live listeners right now. 30 likes. That should be at least 100. I figure at least 100 of you actually like the show. Maybe they're like 60 of the Matthews out there who hate it. But at least the people who are liking it, you know, I want to see a thumbs up. There you go. Start liking it. I want to see that go to 100. 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