 Thanks for checking out this movie review video So this is for the 2015 film some kind of hate and when I'm putting up this review It's available for streaming on the shutter streaming service now This is a film that's also written and directed by the same people who wrote and directed Daniel isn't real Which is another movie that just went on to shutter and Daniel wasn't real was a 2019 release I believe so there's some similarities if you really like Daniel isn't real Then you might really want to check out some kind of hate If you really like some kind of hate then you might really want to check out Daniel isn't real because you it they feel Similar in a few ways and I'll talk a little bit about that As I kind of go through my review there will be spoilers like I said because this is an older film from 2015 So if you don't want spoilers stop right here go watch the film then come back, but I would say up front I feel conflicted on whether I would recommend this to people or not because from for me personally I didn't I didn't hate the film, but I didn't super like it It's a mix and you'll see what I mean So if you feel conflicted as well, just go watch it There's enough in there that you'll be like, okay, I don't hate the fact that I watch it That's fine, and then you can come back and see what I'd say So this is directed by Adam Egypt Mortimer like I said he did Daniel isn't real He also did the short for New Year's Eve in the holidays horror anthology film written by Mortimer as well with Brian Deleu who did Scripps for Curvature Paradise Hills and Daniel isn't real as well He's he was also an author. So just so people know that it does seem that the writing style of these two is more literary And less theatrical. They're very upfront and blunt about things That's one of the things that really occurred to me And it it is also in Daniel isn't real as well Which I have a review for on this channel so you can check that out that one is no spoilers though since it's a newer Film so really the way they write is more from this perspective of an how an author writes a book They tell you a lot of things because there are no visuals So they have to tell you more instead of just showing you things and being more subtle. It's more blunt It's more upfront. It describes too much in a sense And yeah, it's just it's less less Subliminal it's less coy about everything. It's very in your face And I'm gonna tell you exactly what's going on beat you over the head with things So it's like that in some kind of hate. It's like that in Daniel isn't real Excuse me. That's just how they make their films. So if you like that or you're fine with it all good I personally am not big into that. I like films to be a little bit more Thematically Hidden somewhat you have to dig a little bit. I like it to be a little more subtext as opposed to you know A lot of things in your face, but that said there are some interesting things in this film And I think the concept the initial concept of this script is a really interesting one And there are some really cool things that are executed in it But I think that how it was executed are where I have some of the issues. So we'll talk about that The beginning signals some desperation and brutality as the girl tries to climb up the stairs now later on Obviously, we learned that that's Moira and she's basically Creating a ruse to to you know lure someone down to kill them But it sets up a really weird mystery in the beginning and you're like, ooh, what's going on here? But it seems very raw very brutal very Desperate and like I said and I like that that's how they kind of started off It obviously takes a little bit of a step back after that But we get back to it at some point and then you kind of are thinking back and you're like Ah, yes, this is what was happening in the beginning and I kind of like that when they have that kind of callback So I like that aspect of it You see how the main character Lincoln is already worn down by the bullying at his house So when he actually goes up to high school, that's why he has such a short fuse and he ends up You know getting push push push until a point where he stabs that dude in the face with the fork Which is what ends him up at that Camp I guess it's like a reform camp for kids who are like bad kids, you know, so You you get a good feeling there of why he snapped the way he did because you see all the Frustration that's been built up at home and then that just carries all the way into school and you know at school He's hoping, you know, maybe this is a reprieve. I got away from my abusive father. Maybe now I can kind of Breathe a little bit for the day before I have to go back to that but no that's sort of frustration that abusive Relationship continues with other people at high school and it's just push push push push push Until he can't take it anymore and he just snaps and that's one of the things one of the main themes in this film is how much Can a person take of bullying of being abused in one way or another whether it's emotional verbal physical whatever How much can a person take before they actually do snap because they're forced because everyone pretty much has some sort of breaking point Now whether that breaking point ends up being what Lincoln has which is a physical breaking point where he will get Physical and he will lash out or if it's emotional and person person just has like a freak out a breakdown You know, it varies for every person, but that's one of the main themes in this film is You know at what point do people start fighting back or what point do people just break down or you know the constant abuse Uh-oh giving your cell phone away is never a good sign in a horror film nowadays I wrote down we first gets that kind of like reform camp or whatever it is He's they're like everyone give us your phones now when they were doing that. I was just like Usually when they're covering that base in a horror film It means that things are obviously gonna go bad and they're gonna wish they had that phone at some point But it didn't really come into play that way Because obviously later on Lincoln just kind of sneaks out at night and he gets his phone back And I'm just like okay Well, I guess it didn't really matter that they need to collect the phones because they're not even keeping tabs on these kids Really and that's one of my problems with this It doesn't feel realistic because this is supposed to be a camp where they're really working with these These kids are trying to help them out. They take their phones, but then they don't actually watch them Like how is it that Lincoln was able to just easily it didn't even seem like he snuck out It's just like he walked out goes into this other building gets his phone and then goes and hangs out with oh What was her name real quick? Caitlyn yes goes and hangs out with Caitlyn and it's like there are none of these I guess they're kind of guidance counselors or none of these camp counselors I'm sorry, and then these like camp counselors are there like where are they these kids aren't being watched They're supposedly really bad kids who do really bad things. You should be watching them So it doesn't feel realistic for that reason and then that's one of my big problems with this film and also with Daniel wasn't real is characters in general don't feel realistic and They don't act in a realistic manner a lot of the times. It's just they act according to what the story Wants them to do not what would seem real and they're also one dimensional That's what that's the biggest issue in this is almost all the characters are just one dimensional. So it's kind of like They're all one emotion. They're all one way They're all one thing like none of them are complex human beings and that's the way it is in this film That's the way it is and Daniel isn't real and that always bothers me when you're writing a script You need to have the people seem real you need to have the people feel conflicted or at least show a range of emotions It just seems like everyone's so flat. They're so one dimensional and that's my biggest problem with the film One of my problems, but the biggest problem So what is the motivation of these guys at the camp trying to get Lincoln to be violent? I mean I feel like and maybe someone can answer it down here what your opinion is on it I feel like it's a motivation of well, we just like to get reactions from people We just like to pick people pick at people see if we can push a person's buttons enough so that they'll try and lash out it seems to start for no reason And you know, maybe that's kind of the point of it that you know bullies just seem to do this stuff for no reason because they Have problems and they're always Seeking that reaction from people and that is I do know that that is kind of one of the one of the points in this is that People who act that way people who are bullies are looking for reactions They were they push and push and push people to see what they can make them do to see what they can make them say or physically do or fight back or whatever and That's kind of what's on display in this and that's the reason that Moira is The pushback like she becomes the pushback at a point where Lincoln can't take it anymore because he's been pushed pushed and abused So much and he's fighting so hard to not lash out again like he did when he stabbed that kid in the face with a fork So he's trying so hard He gets his breaking point and he's kind of asking for help in a sense because he doesn't want to do that again He doesn't want to be violent again, even though he does punch Willie in the face Because he reached that point again, but he doesn't want to because he's trying to work on himself to be better So he's the closest to not it's one-dimensional character But I did find it interesting that that was kind of like his breaking point when he asked for help and then Moira pops up And it's just like oh, I'll help you and that's She deflects it all basically she's kind of like a battery The abuse comes and comes and comes and comes and then it's stored up basically through Lincoln Like he's the conduit and then it gets stored up in Moira and she kind of You know throws it back at the person who is the abuser and that's you know Obviously done by cutting herself then that cuts them So it's a reflection of all the abuse and all the pain that's done and She does it to herself and that goes back onto them And that's that's basically all the abuse that they've given off. They're getting it back like tent fold basically So it's their room. It's revenge in a sense. No, I mean it is it is revenge not in a sense I would think if these are bad kids, they would have a closer watch We already kind of talked like that just seems like Lincoln just whatever get out of here And they're alone a lot with each other. That's the other thing It seems like there's a ton of downtime and they're not really doing a whole lot with the actual counselors They're just like, okay, we'll talk to you for you know a few minutes a day and then just go and wander around So it just doesn't feel Fleshed out. I know exactly what Lincoln's saying about the heavy metal music taking his anger away When he was explaining to Caitlyn that you know that really angry music actually calms him down Like take some kind of away from reaching that edge of lashing out I experience that like when I get really upset about things if I listen to heavy metal music It kind of takes that away from me And it's it's weird because it's like the screaming the anger the lyrics involved are venting for me It's getting the frustration out just by me listening to it And one of my main bands to go to for that is slipknot Just specifically their first album which by the way I had bought their first album when it first came out and I remember the first time I listened through it It made me feel angry and like I wanted to be violent and then every time after that It did the opposite which is what it does now where it's therapeutic It just like makes me feel calm and releases any sort of tension or anger that I have So I know what Lincoln was talking about in this The body language of the police officer when he first shows up is unbelievably goofy and over the top he's a Very throwaway character I can sense that they were trying to make him a little bit comedic But it does not at all fit the tone of the film because there's nothing else It's really comedic or anything and he's a really pointless character to like super pointless. I don't understand why he was there Dumb and this is one of the problems is when you don't have rich characters like this A lot of them feel throwaway a lot of them feel pointless and you're just kind of like okay. Why are they there? I don't care. So when he got killed. It's like okay The level of carefree attitude around Will's death makes the movie not seem believable This is another one of the issues I was talking about with the characters not being written to a point where they're believable and like I said They don't do things that are believable when Willie dies. Everyone's just like oh man that dude died Okay, like no one really cares that much no one seems to really be broken up about it People talk about it, but they talk about it from a standpoint of amusement and it's not realistic It doesn't make sense. It's odd. It's dumb as well because people would not react that way there would be actual like People mad about it people sad about it, and you don't really see that much Other than his one friend Willie's one friend reacts that way no one else does really it's It just doesn't seem right and this is what I'm talking about like the writing just it's just not there There's a good concept. The writing isn't there Running up to the hay storage area of a barn isn't going to help anything when someone's after you especially when it's a horror film If anyone's seen enough horror films when the friend of Willie is about to get his from Moira, which is a good scene He runs up to like the second floor where all the hay is in the barn. I'm just like Yeah, again something someone something a person would not do because it's much quicker and easier to just run out of the barn That's what he would do. He wouldn't go up to where the hay is because you can't get anywhere I understand it's like a split-second decision or something But a person would be way more likely to just run out of the barn and maybe try and get help instead of go try to hide Because how do you think you're gonna hide from someone who's already in the barn who saw you go up there? Another one of these moments of it just doesn't make sense and it's eye roll inducing I'm just like it. It doesn't make sense to a point where I'm over it. I'm just like Here's one yet another thing that makes absolutely no sense. That's being done Don't like it the gore and this is actually good. I really like it I love the concept of how Moira basically uses herself in a sense like a voodoo doll Like I was talking about like taking in all the abuse taking in all the bullying and then just like throwing it back on that person 10 fold and you know physically harming them with it and killing a lot of them It's it's a really cool concept and this is what I'm talking about This is a great concept a great idea just the execution is very sloppy and it's just not there They needed to take a lot more Passes at the script maybe have bring some other people in to take a look at the script and make some edits Because between the two of these guys Like I said the characters they just aren't there just a lot is not there with it great concept though And the directing is good overall. I enjoy the directing. I think that cinematography for the most part is pretty well done except camera work Pretty shaky at times and that is another thing that really really bothers me like excessively shaky so But for the most part cinematography looking good directing looking good So they just need someone else to handle the script or at least revisions to it You can see that Moira represents the violent urge for revenge that tempts anyone who is consistently pushed But if you embrace that you're also harming yourself like Moira does in order to exact revenge Yes, so I do feel like that's kind of a point that's being made of it's not just the How how much can a person take until they strike back? It's a point of Lincoln is trying so hard to not retaliate so Moira retaliates for him But you can see that there's a toll on herself. She goes through a lot of physical pain She is hurting herself in order to hurt people back. So getting that revenge is actually not healthy It's actually more harmful than anything and I think that's an interesting cool point that comes out of this The scene with Lincoln telling Moira he doesn't need her anymore is unbelievably corny Especially because the the two actors in it their performances are bad between the two of them it was a Terrible scene and then not only that but then they do that exact same scene again Between Caitlin and Moira of Caitlin saying I don't need you anymore and it plays out exactly the same It's terrible. It's corny and the acting in it wasn't good The acting overall in this I thought was okay But those particular scenes the ones of I don't need you anymore with both Caitlin and Lincoln were not good And they weren't well-written either And how did we get to Moira and Caitlin being together? It's like some scenes were cut out Yeah, that kind of jump that they make where it's you know Lincoln and Moira are a thing and everything and then it's all of a sudden you see Moira Moira and Caitlin and You know Moira is cutting herself for Caitlin and it's showing up on Caitlin, which is kind of a cool scene visually But how did we get there? There's really no explanation It seems like there was just this illogical jump and there were portions of the film actually just cut That we needed like how did we get here? We need to know how we got here This is one of the I'm talking about with the writing the rock in the mouth scene is very effective It's cringe inducing It's very good and I love how they just cut to the Horse chomping on that apple because the the auditory cue on that is So close to the rock in the mouth when it looked like she was actually gonna chomp down That like that crunch with that of the apple kind of gets you like a little bit It makes you cringe a little bit and that's good. That's that's a great scene. That was really well done I assume Lincoln can kill Moira because she's actually bullied Those because he's actually bullied Those who do the bullying have violence turned back on themselves But I'm assuming that she's impervious Moira is impervious to that But the only people who can kill her are people who are actually bullied and not bully themselves That's my guess. I don't know if someone could put some comments down there and give me Do you think that's right? Like give me your guess on that one Why it is that it seems like no one is able to kill Moira, but Lincoln can kill Moira Unless it just has to do with it just has to be fire. I don't know But he doesn't by doing it to himself So I assume they're playing off the fact that there's a special bond or link between the two of them But I was assuming that that was basically broken when They had the scene with Moira and Caitlyn because it seems like they were coming together at that point But then she broke it off. So then wasn't she kind of basically tethered to like nobody. I don't know It's a little convoluted and I feel like that should have been flushed out better Like I said cinematography looks pretty good, but the camera work at times is overly shaky The music is a little bit over the top I'm more of a less is more tight person like I was talking about earlier So how in your face and hit you over the head the music ends up being a bunch of the time is not my thing but I I do get it I do kind of understand because The tie-in with Lincoln talking about how music makes him feel and helps him cope And then you're playing that music in these times where He's not exacting violence. It's like the music is exacting violence in a sense for him So I understand the use of it. So it makes sense. It's just my personal taste. I'm not a Not a big fan of it being so in your face Much like Daniel isn't real. It feels like portions of the story are missing in In addition to the characters being one-dimensional. It just feels like we're missing parts of the story We're missing backstory. We're missing information about who these people are what their motivations are We're missing some information on what has happened between here and here in the film And that's one of my problems with it. It's just not enjoyable to follow for that reason It seems that a big part of the film is seeing the frustrations of Lincoln build to critical mass You end up feeling the frustration for him because of how much bullying you witness as he just takes it And that's one of the very effective things about this film is that With all that you see with Lincoln just being pushed and pushed and pushed like you as an audience member feel frustrated Like you feel the frustration building in you. You kind of feel the anger building in you for Lincoln to a point So they did a good job with that portraying that and putting that on the screen and conveying that to to the audience So I like that aspect of it um This is particularly frustrating because we're used to having revenge from horror films and people like Lincoln Not taking that much abuse That is another point to make like it does start to feel so frustrating from the audience member because as horror fans we're used to getting revenge out of horror films and Not letting it get to the point that Lincoln does and then still doesn't do anything about it And it's just kind of like oh i'm confused by this. What the what the heck and I felt that way This speaks a lot to the motivations of people who bully They get satisfaction out of the reactions they get from being mean to others I feel like that was kind of another point and on that point I will share with with everyone out there watching this what my strategy is when dealing with people who are A bully type whether that's in my real life or like internet troll type people stuff like that Usually the best way to go about it is you don't react Uh usually especially if it's a verbal thing through the internet or in person just being verbal Uh, they're usually looking to push buttons. They're looking to get some sort of reaction If you just don't react at all eventually they're just going to stop because they're not getting The reaction that they want and they're doing it for a specific reaction to satisfy some sort of sick need that they have So that's my advice, uh physical situation. That's a little bit different I haven't been in many of those situations. So couldn't really tell you too much about that, but my thoughts on this film rating wise, uh Like I said, like there are some really good things I liked in this especially the concept There's some really good ideas. There's some things they did execute really well But then there's some stuff that's kind of a mess about this film. So I'm really Kind of like this. Um, so with five stars possible half stars in play I'm going to give it a two star rating I was between a two and a two and a half But I think I'm not fully in the middle on it. I'm a little bit more to the no side than the yes side So anyway, I would love to hear people's opinions on this put a comment down there. Um, when I'm posting this video It's a day after I did a live stream about this film So if people want to find out what other people had to say during my live stream through the chat because I read that on uh onto the video Yeah, you can check that out. So I recorded this review before the live stream and then I'm posting it after the live stream Because I didn't want anything that I talk about with people in the live stream to change my opinion on the film After my first viewing of it. So anyway, uh, thanks everyone for checking this out. Put some comments down there Let me know your feelings on this film Do me a quick favor hit the subscribe because if you like any videos I do this or any other one That's your best way to repay me literally takes you a second It is so so painless and it means a lot to me So thank you very much for that if you're already subscribed hit the thumbs up and until next time keep it brutal