 passport bros men who are moving overseas in pursuit of love now why is this an issue and why is it so trendy right now yeah we got to talk about it because a bunch of people messages were like hey fun bros what are you going to talk about passport bros so i had to look it up and i had to understand that basically there was a group of guys who moved from america to latin america in search of love in search of building of better family women with more traditional values and they started a bunch of tiktok and youtube accounts based around this concept since then the concept has become so popular that that that passport bros was not just for that group of guys but almost just like an all-encompassing terms for just a movement that some american men are buying into basically it's not a new thing but the branding is new now there's an actual name for it yeah i know growing up andrew people at our church or people in the asian community have always been going back to asia whether it was their motherland country or like a country nearby to find a wife but i guess like that was viewed differently right because your parents or maybe even you were born in asia yeah and it also just made sense because it's your country of origin or you had roots in that country but now there's a lot of guys who are moving to different countries like a lot of latin american countries and they don't have roots from there they're not latin american but they're moving there because they feel like there's a for a number of reasons that we're going to get into it but anyways they're moving there for love yeah i believe that latin america southeast asia and eastern europe are the top three destinations but it could be anywhere else in the world right so i want to real quickly talk about the three different styles because uh we've heard about this concept for a while and we even know some people who have who have taken trips or moved across the seas or whatever it is yeah and i think that this is by the way i want to say this is specifically a 2023 version of this is bruce lee was in the 1970s was already going back and forth between the east and the west so we're not referring to just like being a fob traveling back and forth we're talking about men andrew that are looking for true love and appreciation after exhausting themselves in the american market number two maybe men seeking women with more traditional values you know different countries and different societies there are different levels of economic development societal development capitalism late stages early stages mid stages late late stages people number three andrew there are men that are just seeking fun and hookups and i guess like uh party type of lifestyle yeah and this would be more of the frowned upon style of being a passport bro or as some people on the internet call a sex pat but basically like yeah this is like the more the one that has the bad connotation the other ones are more built in with a little bit more like true intentions of being like hey man you know i don't like my dating options in america and there's a lower cost of living over there i can live a nice life and i can find true love but andrew why would anybody leave the tier s1 country america the country that everybody wants a visa to get pr or green cards in to come to america why would anybody leave this s tier country to non-s tier countries that doesn't make any sense okay so a lot of the criticism is right off the bat okay and not all women are saying this but there's obviously a lot of women who are criticizing these guys the contentious nature of the internet being like yeah of course it's not really a man versus woman thing but yeah anyways that's how it seems like anyways they're like oh you guys are losers you guys can't pull in america you guys don't have uh you guys are not considered very attractive you don't have good jobs and that's why you don't have as many dating options as you would like in america so you have to go over to a easier market you know or you have to go meet women who more value what you can bring to the table as a man financially and things like that i will say it's kind of interesting to see women and usually guys used to say this the other guys growing up to look women to look at a guy and go you get no women's that's why you got to go yeah you l but i guess for this video diva i don't want to talk about like there's always like been you know people who just can't get any love in america who go overseas but what about the people stars have been doing it forever like if you are an asian pop star you had to go back to asia because you weren't going to get no love in the american pop industry but obviously that's what's not on a micro level that was an industry but i want to talk about men who seem like solid men in america men who you look at and you meet and be like yeah you could live a good life in america or maybe they've even been married or had multiple relationships in america but they're still choosing to to seek things abroad right yes now now we have some friends that i know some guys who are have relationships with your friends with passport bros no i do know some uh chinese dudes who married russian women or or uh you know kazakhstan or whatever like america but i guess what i'm saying is like these are normal guys these are not like losing a good job yeah and they're not like bad looking or anything like that but they just are looking for something else overseas so i think that's what i want to pick apart we got to talk about that well what are the reasons that you're hearing on the internet but obviously there there has to be some potential credence to these because it's such a large movement yeah and it's such a large movement that's why we have to delve into this guys it's not just like 10 guys did this like 10 000 like like a lot of guys are talking about this so uh so the reasons range they're ranging from you know they feel like american women are spoiled by the top 20 percent of men will get into that later uh they're sick of the direction that america's going in economically they seek women with more traditional values feeling like americanized women don't hold those traditional values of the past maybe like you know 30 years ago they feel like they will get a bump in an overseas market and that maybe women over there are not as judgmental of their looks or status or maybe they just have a different look standard that they might fit into better of that standard yeah uh maybe they find women overseas in certain countries more attractive period um the cost of living is lower in a lot of these countries so your money can stretch maybe you're a work from home guy you have a bunch of money saved up you work on the computer you trade stocks you don't have to pay new york rent you don't have to pay new york sf la seattle rent um also maybe they have some baggage from back home they want to start new they're a divorcee whatever and maybe they can just they just want to be in a different environment they feel like they can add to the local culture or whatever yeah and i think dude one thing that i want to say is like a lot of people have been doing this for a long time not just guys looking for love like there's a bunch of americans and or even like married couples moving to mexico city to loom lisbon portugal right now like a lot of people think about it every time there's a new president everybody always threatens to move to canada but obviously i guess the connotation is different when it's guys and potentially some of them are going to start media channels dissing the women in their old country yeah that's the issue and here's the thing here's the thing are people just becoming immigrants again in a way but usually when you immigrate to america you're coming from a place that is considered a country that is not as strong right system wise right yeah economically not as strong that's why you're going to the stronger country for better opportunities now it's funny your america is still the strongest country but you're leaving america to go to a country that is economically not as strong but for better life opportunities yeah that's why it's different at the end of the day for me this just boils down to international arbitrage and i for me i don't really view it as any different when you apply it to just like the metric that they're looking for to increase is love you know to me it's not any different you know some people they move for economics some people move for religious persecution freedoms you know what i mean like different people value different things in their life right right right so you're saying now love is just moving up the list of reasons why people are moving for that reason right i guess if you're in america theoretically one way you could look at it is that you're in a s1 tier late stage capitalism economy what do you have now but those last stages of mazel's hierarchy of needs of uh actualization and stuff like that plus obviously this whole thing has existed since the 1950s 60s andrew what about like foreign soldiers that were stationed in like uh international american military oh yeah anyways um all right so here's the controversial part david this has become a man versus woman thing where the women on the internet not all women just the women on the internet leaving comments they're like oh you guys are losers you guys can't make it in america and then the men are clapping back and be like well women uh in america they're lacking traditional values they all just want to do only fans and do this and this and they're getting spoiled on these trips and stuff and you guys just want uh you guys make too much money i think yeah different specific people could have different arguments but what you just listed off were like probably the two ones you see the most yeah those are the most fiery arguments um i would say this part of it is isn't aren't aren't they both right to some extent for some members of the other group but not all members of the other group like some of the passport bros are definitely going to be problematic just like any humans that they move anywhere for higher leverage or greener pastures they're not all like great people there's a distribution right for sure in middle tier people average people some people are really good people some people are bad people so i guess that would be my thing to to say the variance part in terms of like yeah there are bad passport bros for sure oh yeah i guess on the women's side i i guess is that just a perception of society or would you agree that there is certainly a rift between men and women right now in american society because possibly the issues have shifted so quickly yeah i mean we talk about this on our channel how the world has shifted very quickly especially like for example for a lot of like white people or white males in america they feel like the world changed very quick on them yeah they feel like the political narrative is against them yeah you know as a minority man already knew like this is not the country that fully sees me as fully equal in this country i guess so i guess my expectations are a little bit different but yes i can see that uh things change quickly so maybe if you're a guy who you're looking and you wanted women to kind of act like you know how maybe your mom did back like 30 years ago 40 years with the 1960s values yeah 1970s values even um um yeah i could see that things are missing from that right from what from what you're right and then there's a whole debate about do men inherently in their genetics more go with the old ways or the new ways i don't know man i mean these discussions there's like literally entire youtube channels that drop videos every day about this topic and here's another one is like uh another point here is like there's leftover men and women on either side are you referring to the sheng lu yeah yeah in china yeah i think this is like really where the term actually comes from but however there's like leftover men and women in america but those leftover people don't want to date each other so what i mean by leftover is i'm saying like for example there's a decent looking woman who worked very hard in her career she moved up she dated a little bit and stuff like that but she's like maybe 35 years old she's getting a little bit older old enough where now she has to make that decision she's gonna start a family at this point right and maybe she doesn't so she just has pets and dogs and dates and whatever right but but she's maybe not gonna start a family at this point so i guess some people would label her as like a leftover woman like a little too old to start a family with right some people for sure in society definitely not saying that you are if you do yeah but that's just a more modern that's the perception of more modern archetype in society that the proportion of people who fit that archetype has increased over time and then there's obviously the portion of guys who maybe for whatever reason maybe it's themselves or they're awkward or something or they're low value they're difficult to deal with they're uh in stable temperamental stubborn guys you know not so you're saying the leftover people of both groups definitely are not gonna link up they're not matching up well i guess from what i've seen and i'll tell you this uh i've seen people in both situations and i've seen the person that's over 35 that's a single mother with like kids or two kids all both of them have gone overseas but you don't want to notice is when the guys go overseas potentially there's more of an intention of creating a family whereas women are just like well i already got my kids back home i'm just like going overseas for fun yeah yeah yeah and here's the thing so because more men are leaving to be passport bros and there's way more passport bros than passport girls right so that means they're technically should be an imbalance because because if men and women are 50 50 in society as far as population wise then more men are leaving then where does it leave like i guess a certain portion yeah and i think it could vary even per community as well right because america's so diverse i don't know if the number of men leaving is actually significant enough to throw things off but i just know that this is a trend and it's probably going to continue uh moving on andrew somebody a girl there's an argument that's very on the pro female side by the way not saying all females feel there was a this way are the men just smurfing but in real life smurfing i guess is a gaming term where somebody who's like let's say for example a ranked 82 player out of 100 level goes and plays with like the people who are ranked 25 so they could be like a top tier you know the best player in that in that class i guess we in a sports term it would be like people who are in the mba now moving overseas to play in the cba or euro league or even like howard in taiwan the nbl yeah the australian league when they can't really compete at the mba level or the american level anymore they go overseas so that they can still be a mbp right yeah and don't and pretty much dominate essentially yeah i mean like i said it just goes back to the arbitrage thing man different environments like depending on what type of pokemon you are and what stage of evolution and your pokemon you are there's just different environments that cater to different animals you know land seas uh air i think just a question i guess and if if you're someone who feels strongly about this i think a question i would ask is just like you know a lot of these guys not all of them but a lot of these men doing this seem like rational men i guess why would so many rational decent men feel the need to move out of america to another country that is perhaps not as developed as america to live a better life that's because they just want to explore the patriarchy in a country where they're lower on the growth development right maybe no theoretically no seriously maybe that's the reason but i guess it's a little different for every guy but maybe you know what i'm saying so i guess we gotta ask this question i guess let us know what you think in the comment section below because i'm sure and by the way try to keep it civil in the comment section because i think for me i always use this term andra and i actually think it came from the deal websites ymmv your mileage may vary i mean slickdeals.net yes it came from cop and tv's with like three coupons i think like your mileage may vary is so applicable nowadays because it's very difficult to make generalized assumptions about anybody because america's so diverse the desires are so diverse that the the fundamental cards that somebody is is playing with or del they're perceived to have are so diverse ymmv right so even you you're saying even if you are a guy and you move overseas to let's just say the latin america and you have all these expectations about the women there and the traditionalness and the life that you're gonna have it might not be like what your friend got or the guy that's on youtube got right yeah yeah i think that they're for sure i mean they have an established culture and a system that they run over there but where you're gonna fit into that in a micro sense is very different right yeah that's like we both got traded from the brooklyn nets but like you know uh marcus more is getting treated different than kd i don't know our the tj warren my my overall ending takeaway for me is just that you know there's nothing wrong with guys doing this because they're not hurting anybody as long as they're not hurting people when they go over to the other country and they're not messing around right if they're treating everybody with respect technically there's nothing wrong because you're just exercising your freedoms you're using your american passport to go to any different country right and and feel love and feel appreciated if that's the reason why right but i think that part of the issue is when you dump on like women in america or american culture then obviously those people are gonna feel very offended now i don't know what your point is if your goal is to change the culture in america and try to push back on it because you don't like where how it's changing or or not or i would imagine that it's not to change it because they feel like they're just escaping a game map that they don't like how it's changed for them maybe yeah maybe they think they're escaping a sinking ship yeah that's true who knows man let's get real quick and i want to get into some common like arguments about the details of being a passport bro real quick by the way not endorsing this by the way andrew do you think if you go overseas to a country that's not as uh high status as america you might be just used for your status like it's possible for sure yeah it's possible but i don't think it's for sure either yeah i think that perceived higher status could play into attraction as dude i mean well at the end of the day people get married for all different types of reasons and some of the reason is like hey you provide a better life for this person in america or that country would you agree that marriages outside of america for the most part are more like taking the math into equation rather than just like romanticized and stuff it's like more mathematical the algorithms tend to be more practical overseas i believe that i've heard it be called that a little bit more traditional and possibly and not in a negative way transactional but anyways um what do you think about traditional gender roles is it true that these guys passport bros are going to find more traditional gender roles overseas probably in i can't say for every country and every woman right but yeah i guess there is probably more that seems like that would be that's more of the status trend yeah yeah um somebody says but aren't overseas women wanting to be modernized in a sense of like mimicking whatever the other people don't like about america like for example there's these traits about america whether they're viewed as good or bad that that won't they just eventually get there anyway like won't these other countries eventually strive for that yeah and i actually disagree with that because if you look at japan japan is also economically highly highly highly developed and they have very different cultural norms there so it's not like uh i don't fully believe in that like oh yeah just once everybody makes $50,000 a year in a country they all just become like america um well i think it is important to note that oftentimes i would say passport bros they're not always going to the biggest most international city because any international city in any like decent sized country is probably going to have at least in that city have more globalized culture globalized culture which is going to be more based off of american culture right because american culture is so dominant globally um and then uh somebody said but doesn't it matter who you are a lot like won't they only want white guys over there that's what that's what i uh i don't know i mean there's a lot of youtube channels of of asian guys and indian dudes and all types of people that are like black guys that are going overseas so uh i'm sure that i probably could shift depending on what country you're in yeah i'm i'm sure depending on the country and the person you meet and i guess how good looking of a person you are and how much you have to provide for them is probably maybe even the biggest factor but ymv yeah that's what i see not all the same guys anyways guys let us know in the comments down below have you heard of this term or have you heard of this kind of action of like uh and it's particularly men seeking love overseas right by the way women don't do this quite as often um and so i guess like let us know what you think about this whole thing and what you think about the branding passport pro is it getting on a hand are guys just giving up too early in america are they too weak or is the game hopeless and stacked against you let us know in the comment section below guys keep the discussion civil you guys know the hot pot boys discussing things frivolous to serious till next time we out peace