 Sibilants, Sibilants. Hello Cleveland! Hello Cleveland! I think a spinal tap reference is, every couple days I make that reference. It's hard not to. Yeah. So much to draw from. Right. Okay, well we are live with another episode, so thanks everyone for joining. What is this? This is our 16th? 16th, yeah. Wow, 16th week in a row of doing this. This is the Microsoft community office hours. Yeah, that's right. I should have dressed up, done my hair. Yeah, I should wreck a car. We're in a corsage, that's right. Did you, what's his name? The guy that was in Breaking Bad and Malcolm in the Middle, the actor, the main guy. Oh, Brian Cranston. Yeah, Brian Cranston. Did you ever see his sweet 60th? Like I think it was MTV or VH1 or something did like a spoof of my sweet 60th and he's still living with his parents and he's going to extreme. It's pretty fantastic. You need to check that out. I'm sure it is. That sounds cool. Surprise. Mr. Riz. Mr. Riz! Hello all. How's everyone? Hello. We are Dandy. Dandy! Fantastic, yeah. I'm going to be on the beach today, I think. How's Gajite's knit? Gajite's knit. All right. Well, let's jump right in. Any questions come up over the last week that you guys would like to start discussing? What's the deal with all the changes with OneDrive? Yeah, what is going on with OneDrive? I saw some, there's some sync questions posted today. Out on the communities. Well, that and the whole family sharing thing now and they're actually, they still don't allow external, which has something to do with your SharePoint back in gobbledygook permissions. Being the first time SharePoint mucked things up. Yeah. What? Let's say it's got a big legacy booty. Wow, that's baby got back. Absolutely. You're reflecting into that bad boy and man, you find all sorts of stuff. Yeah, I didn't read through. So what's been going on with OneDrive? They added the ability to upgrade larger files. I think they go up to a full, what, gig now or something like that and individual files. Yeah, they raised the limit. They raised the limit. They did a family sharing edition now. So what I understand is that you can share the files, but it has to be, it's just like SharePoint, right? You have to share it to people who are in your active directory. So you're actually not doing anything different, but they opened it up to, what do they call it, Microsoft 365 home users to allow to do that? So there was just, you know, they had a big blurb announcement on their blog, a couple of changes. I thought you guys would know because you guys are the office experts, right? I've seen the rumblings. I mean, Hans Brender has been busy posting a bunch of stuff recently. I know he's been very active and he's Mr. OneDrive, so. Yeah, if you go to the Office 365 community page and Hans has the top post there on that, just talking about poking around the sync admin report. I've just, I've seen a couple of them. I've not read into any of them, other than the announcement last week about the file size increase and just wasn't sure if there was something else that happened. No, no, you just mentioned Facebook, so I just knocked you down another notch. He eats that every now and then. Well, Mike, we are kind of doing these sessions and live streaming to the Facebook communities. So, you know, it's funny though, every once in a while you get people that come in and say, why are you out in these spaces? Why aren't you live streaming to some other odd locations? Like, well, because this is where people go and ask questions, so we're. We go to the peeps. We go to the people, take it to the people. But people shouldn't be using Facebook. You gotta unmute Eric if you want to talk. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's nice. We have three of us, but. I don't have to unmute. My, my team's just doesn't like my headset. This headset, I can hear perfectly. I just can't speak. No problem. I don't like your headset. Tell your headset. We also don't like it. You tell it. You're bad. Bad headset. Bad headset. It needs to donate aversion therapy. I say that just as I said it like the ends of my dog's ears kind of. Not you. Not you. I just, before we started recording, before you guys jumped on, I was telling Sean, I don't have more information on this, but I'm excited. I will be able to talk to it this evening. But on the radio, my, my favorite radio show, Armstrong and Getty, they were talking about donut aversion therapy. Really? It's, yeah, it's, it's a legit thing. It sounds like. I can get China. I can't. I can't. I think it makes me think of a Homer Simpson about using fireworks to clean up his house. And at the end, his house is destroyed. And Homer's response is it's going to take a lot of fireworks to clean this up. No. You tried and you failed. What did we learn? Never try. True enough. All right, besides one drive, anything else going on? Let's see. Doing some more PowerShell scripting these days. Reporting on alerts and SharePoint. That's all fun. If somebody's asking, it's kind of a simple question. Georgie is asking, is it possible to get automated notifications about company employees' birthdays? If they're on a SharePoint calendar and you said an alert, yeah. Well, it depends how you answer it. I mean, that's a lot of confidential information you want to access. And do you really want to know when your employees' birthdays are? That might obligate you to do a card or something. Yeah. But it also obligates them to bring in food. So it's donut day at that point. You're right, Mike. Can't argue with that. It's part of my aversion therapy. So medically required. That's a point, by the way. Congratulations. What's that, Chris? I was just asking about how that therapy is going for him. I've not tried it yet. But I'm planning to sign up. We're looking for the other therapies. Yeah. He's got a couple that he, you know. You look well. That's all that matters, buddy. Yeah. Well, I'll send out the weekly update later this morning of my therapy, Eric. So thank you for asking. We love you. He's got his own calendar. Yeah. That's right. So this is, I think you've seen this before. It's for the Green Dragon. So this is when I visited Hobbiton down south, east of Auckland, New Zealand. East of Auckland. Yeah. I could have spent there. It's one of those times where, wait, I was having a coffee in the morning. It doesn't wake you up. Try deleting table and production database instead. Yes. I always had that experience first thing in the morning. Cheers. It's a zinger. It's a zinger. That's for sure. Yeah. It's a real-world example, though. It is a career-limiting move. Has the potential to certainly be one, yes. If they know that it was you, yes. And there is no backup. Audit, all the logs. Oh, wait. They were logged in as SA. Yeah. For a company that had all of their portfolio management, all the project management of about 180 p.m.s. and analysts being done in one Excel spreadsheet that had shared access. Oh. That sounds like a good idea to know one. Right. Yeah. This was a long time ago. And an older version of Excel. And Galaxy far, far away. Still not a good idea back then. We knew it was a bad idea when it was happening, but. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know when that would ever be considered a good idea. Let's see. Any other questions that have popped up? Does anybody know much about Intune? I used to do a lot of work when it first came out, but they really changed that around. What was it? What's the question? When it comes to an easy migration of mobile devices to Intune and conditional access in the first step, add the mobile devices as hybrid 80 is an 80. Add the mobile devices as hybrid 80 devices is an option. But is there an option to allow mobile devices just by MAC address? No. Because most mobile devices don't have MAC addresses. They have the IMEIs and the SIDS. But anyways, they've really changed Intune, and now it's all part of the authentication, the device authentication. And I think that the first part of that question is really kind of, there's no easy way to migrate mobile devices onto the platform. I mean, regardless of what Microsoft says, but it all has to do with how you do your MDM and that whole strategy behind it. But no, you can't do it. There is no such thing as a MAC on a mobile device. Now, if they're talking iPads, is it coming over a cellular or is it coming over a Wi-Fi? Because in Intune, you can do computers and iPads and Android devices if that's what they're talking about. No, because it's all user authentication. There's a device authentication, but that's based off of an actual GUID and actual SSID or not an SSID and a SID. So I don't think so. My final answer, I don't think so. All right. So I've got a broad question. I think there'd be some interesting discussion around, possibly, if Eric has anything good to say. Actually, Christian, I was just going to take this back to a question from last week. That's right. That is your thing. OK, what did we gloss over last time? All right. I've had listeners you know that I like to refer back to things that happened two weeks ago. Did you see how I called you out on that and the notes in the blog post? I did. I really appreciated that, too. It was great. No, I had nothing there. I just wanted to bother you. Oh, I know. Yeah. You are vexing. Yes. I'm getting to like this guy. Christian, give it a little time. Give it a little time, Mike. He'll grow on you, then you'll scratch it off like a, like it's like a scab that doesn't quite ever heal. One of those warts that, you know, kind of grow it back. That's right. More of the wart. It's that hardened skin, dead skin. What Christian is trying to say is that we all have our talents and a place here on the panel. And we all bring specific expertise that we're happy to provide to the community. Like super friends. Super friends, yeah. Yeah, the mutant x something. All right. So David asked the question, like what or more who use, I would like one or more who use one note in their business. Tell me how they use it for what purpose. So business cases, how are people using one note? I can tell you that I got a couple of customers that are actually sharing. I mean shared notebooks is a big thing. I have a government actually that their whole basis of their documentation, believe this or not, is one note notebooks. It's just, it's a sad thing to say. But when you think about it, it's actually SharePoint in the back end, right? So, you know, they have other means to access that data now. They're just discovering that. They were putting in one note. They had the shared notebooks. Now they are going into SharePoint going, oh, hey, we can look at this in SharePoint. We can look at it, you know, blah, blah, blah. But definitely shared notebooks is a big thing. I use it. I use to do a lot of handwriting. I have a surface. So I love the handwriting recognition of one note from a business perspective when I'm in meetings, I'd rather I can write faster than I can type. In the consulting biz, I can also say that many consulting companies, anytime you work for a client and you're trying to share notes, you may have, not that this is best practice, but you may have shared logins and things like that. That sort of information goes great in one note as well as whenever you're meeting with someone, white board capture is fantastic. Because one note, you can bring that into one note, take a picture of a white board, it'll OCR the text. Since we don't have the proper white board yet, I don't know what they're doing. I know a lot of people are asking for the expansion of that tool to make it a co-collaborating, you know, a team's experience and not just a Windows experience. But yeah, one note, that's a great example. Yeah, the Office Lens tool works great with one note too. It seems that companies using consulting companies, using one note for all of their best practices, their full life cycle implementation practices are all sitting in one note. And every time somebody has to reference a document, a line item, something for a project plan, it's all sitting in one note and it's all it's all changeable and dynamic with either organization or project. You know, one of the things that I loved is when Outlook is part of a new meeting creation, added the one note and initially is an add-on, it's kind of the standard thing now. But the ability to go out and into when you, so I have it on by default and then select between shared notes and personal. So if it's something one-on-one and it's just me that needs to look at it, being able to capture that, just make it part of the standard template is the way that I run meetings and capture that information. But those shared assets, I mean, for every one of my clients, I have a, you know, set up a whole one note infrastructure and so meeting notes and ideas and, you know, keep a running log of every interaction with those clients all in one note. So it's, I often say I live inside of one note on a daily basis. Yeah. Hey, how's it going? Hi there. How's every little thing? How cool is it in Arizona right now? Cool. Well, let me see exactly. I heard it's going to be like 105 there today. Cool. Phoenix. Yeah, they're predicting it at 104. Current is 88. Just short of 90. I love that dry heat. Yeah. And from the looks of it, it's going to be that way all week though. I do see some clouds showing up on Wednesday. Purpose differentiation, she had zero. Instantly vaporizing those. Zero. And how? We might see some. It's actually 10% next Thursday at 2C Wednesday. Meteorologist. How? No. One thing I did want to bring back on the one note thing is I found out something last week that really buzzes. Just aggravate. And the thing is that I was using one note and I was copying and pasting text. This is just off of a notepad document, right? And it had a link in it. And one note has this really annoying. They call it a feature, but it's really annoying is that whenever you paste a link into it and a one note identifies it as a link, you can't remove that link. Even though you don't want it linked, you can't remove it. Doesn't allow you to do it. So what it what it does is that you add the link and it'll actually paste in. It'll the title of the link that you're pasting in. If you just want a URL. URL it'll put the title and then it'll put the in the image of the page of. So as an example, I created a listing of steps to do in order to accomplish something inside of a router and it was the steps to take. And in order to do that, one of them is you have to download this code from this website. So it does a W get and it's a single command line and it has the URL at the end. One note or whatever reason will not allow me to take that link off of that text. And I looked it up online and it seems like it's just a big thing that's been going on for years. It's been on user voice is that Microsoft will not take this feature off. Is that one note actually scans your documents that are inside of your inside of your notebooks and it looks for links like that and it will automatically hyperlink and turn it to blue text and it'll hyperlink it and you can't remove it. Just makes little sense to me, but. Part of a value add. Yeah, I was going to say that so the one way that you can remove the the rest of the added because it's annoying to me when I'm just trying to capture a URL that does that little conversion. But if you hit the back button once, it will undo that addition and just leave your URL, but it still as you point out, it's still a hypertext link. Yeah, I didn't realize that you can't remove that I've never tried. I've tried changing the font. I've tried changing it to, you know, change the formatting because you can you have an option to select code. So you can do it comes out as code formatting. I think it uses console response or something like that, but it does and it still links it even though it's, you know, so I'm like. Yeah, I noticed that in like in word. I mean you can you can go in and it can remain a hypertext link and yet you can remove the underline, change it to black or whatever the color of the rest of your text. You can make it look like a thing else, but the link is still there when you float over. But yes, you can't do that in in one note. So. Not that advanced. Yeah. Advanced in so many ways. The thing about that is that you can actually change the hyperlink. If you have a given URL listed here, you can actually change the site to which it links. You can modify the link if you can't remove it. Yeah, well in the problem is when you when you when I deliver this document to someone who doesn't, you know, it's a it's a process document that's given to a customer and they copy and paste it and a copy and paste with that hyperlink. Yeah, that hyperlink doesn't go anywhere because it's you know, it's got to be it's part of a process and it it's just kind of a pain. It really is because I always get questions about it. They're always like, well, I click on this and it doesn't take me. Well, no, it's not supposed to. I guess if you're if you've got the documentation one way around that is to especially if it's like an internal, you know it's only only you can think and to replace the URL, the written URL with the title of the document that they can't get to so they understand it's something that they don't have access to. And I've even tried a suggestion on the web which was to save it as a PDF and inform in previous one note. I think it was one note 2013 or something when you saved it as PDF it took the he could strip those links out because the PDF didn't show the link. Now in one note 2016 or 2019 whatever I'm using I don't use the windows 10 version because I don't like the windows 10 version but the desktop version you do a save as PDF and the link comes right along with it and it's a clickable link in that PDF so. Yeah Hal, we're sharing other like business cases for using one note. Ah, yeah. But it's then of course you know the other thing so it's fairly common within Microsoft teams usage. Most organizations don't use the wiki functionality to formally built in wiki capability and the big push was stop automatically the creation of a new team adding a wiki and then not let me remove it. They allowed you to remove it and they stopped shipping with that but it's a good thing to do. I don't want to be envisioning with that but one note has become I think used a bit more I don't have numbers to defend that other than just people talking about using one note more because of that. Well and I was an evernote convert right so I used evernote for years literally years because one note the I could do better just you know saving word documents at that point but yeah I was an evernote convert so. I was pretty much always a one note person I got into one note way back when the xpTablet edition came out. I just had to have me a tablet so I wound up with a motion m1400 slate and lo and behold I discovered I could take that thing fire up one note go into any kind of an engineering machine meeting that I had turned the thing portrait to whip out the stylus and play like I had an engineering pad I even had a template which I still have of an engineering pad that I used for that and it was pretty neat I mean it saved me thousands and thousands and thousands of sheets of paper that I drew pictures of wrote text and diagrams and stuff like that on and all became a one note filing I can't tell you what a wonderful thing that was yeah I've got a question here from so on the live stream for anybody that's watching the live stream feel free to ask any questions there and I'm checking back on a regular basis to see if anything has been posted but Khalil asked I want to remove my on-premises exchange and only use exchange online but my problem is I have some billing servers sending emails from exchange relay not internet facing any solution that you advise I don't know if you guys have anything on that go ahead so that was one of the big things is that I helped a customer I do I do a lot with with government and the local county not a county government a local municipality they had to do the same thing and they had like three or four things specifically around when homeowners would request permits and dog licenses and things like that and they would send these automated emails through exchange but the problem is that they had to go to a third party in order to accomplish that and the reason is because in order to continue to do that you can't do that with online exchange it's not it's not possible to do that they don't know and Microsoft doesn't allow that they could allow it but they don't so they had to go to a third party solution in order to just do that relay and there are a couple of third party solutions will intercept that mail or you send it to a specific email address and they will be part of you know attach your domain to it and it'll look like it it came from from you know your exchange that's up in the cloud but it really came from you know from them and the you know in order to have it come from the same they actually had to keep a dag on premises you know and just to do that SMTP relay and that just wasn't it's not fiscally viable to do that because it's you know the licensing alone is expensive great way to get your IP blocked as well yeah yeah exactly so yeah that's the only way that they could solve that problem I've only had one experience with it that's when I learned all about how Microsoft says no we're not going to allow this a lot of people have asked for it on user voice to allow that type of relay to happen because they could do it on premises why can't they do it in the cloud but that's about the only way to go third party that I'm aware of there are third party services as add-ins as well in the environment out in office 365 will it work in the cloud though those add-ins will work I'm not aware of that yeah there are some that are set up specifically as cloud providers I can't think of a name right now but there are at least a handful of them because that need is very big for a lot of organizations as you point out I've got a couple other outlook email related questions here one of these I think I know the short answer to this but Paul's asking is there a way to get a warning if an email is sent to someone not in my contact list and so basically it goes on and says look I've received a lot of email that includes other people that are not part of his distribution not part of his contacts so when I start to type a name other people show up as potential contacts and I inadvertently send an email to the wrong person is there a way for outlook to restrict that so the only people that automatically pop up are those people that are in your contact database I'd have to refer that to you office folk Eric you're shaking your head no because I think the same thing I think no my understanding is if there's been an interaction if they're in there if it's being tracked I'm not aware of any way to only the people within your contact database yeah I agree the only work around is to be super diligent with the management of the the drop down list of people that as you say you've been in touch with and if you continually or can continuously delete them then you're not going to have any mistakes I don't think there's anything from management perspective that will allow that it's generally considered a feature by most people because start interacting with someone and get that autocomplete let me ask this from a dumb user point of view of myself on outlook you can specify address books right so would it be just a limitation of what address book to look at well no but I mean the problem is that if if Mike you send me an email you include Hal Eric and Sean's emails as a CC within that but I'm not connected to them if I go create a new because that that's been received it and as I start typing it will recognize their emails so that's that's the issue I've often wondered the same thing so the complain is I mean I wonder about this from like a GDPR standpoint and other standards is that you've got to be careful like now who you're see seeing and whether they want to have their because somebody complained to me this is like a year or two ago of having been included on an email that was a community related thing with somebody that they were trying to steer clear of I'm like okay one how would I ever know that to I sent an email I mean the laws still apply if they're spamming you and you've not intentionally joined their distribution list to be spammed by them then they're breaking the law I mean I get this all the time where people are adding I'm on list somehow and I imagine this is how I'm on some of these mailing lists and so I'll go and remove myself and mark you know it's a pain in the butt to have to do this but say I never added myself to this email distribution and block them and if it's the other you know gmail or other than I report it it's spam and you know so do I go through that almost daily process of purging that kind of stuff but yeah I other times it's been a saving grace where I've not directly connected with somebody but I've had some through community discussion interaction with have their email in my system yeah I get a I get a spam email from especially from this buckly planet place man it just this is not the no end and you know it's a tweet jam I it's relentless totally relentless I always like to go back and so you know we complain about this but I have to tell you I had a in my freshman year in college is I had a good friend of mine Brant who the name befits that's got a name that can't be his real name yeah it's funny it's protection program it's funny it's two of his sisters were models were just really good looking family but they were models for years over in Japan no but they didn't go by their last name for some reason that's just imagine that I know no it's really funny is he served in LDS mission one of his first companions they go by elder so elder Looney his first one of his first companions was elder flake what a pair which is a big Mormon name it's a snow flake Arizona isn't named after snowflakes it's after snow and flake two families that develop that whole region but but anyway yeah oh there was one other so the other one let me scroll down here um now while you're while you're getting that I like doing that that would be a very powerful feature going back to the email I'm just thinking if you could if you just had that option to turn that off and on to say only allow those that are already within my address book Gmail has that right so I'm forced I'm forced I mean like hands behind behind my back and my I'm forced to use Gmail at certain times and they actually have that option it says you know checkbox you know add contacts from replies and forwards and things like that but I'm surprised how it doesn't have that hmm yeah you know maybe it does and we just none of us know about it um I'm just I was just checking to see if there were any comments that somebody's like no no you can turn that on nobody said that but you guys are idiots what are you doing um hey here's another one um around email signatures um says I want to set up an email signature for an entire organization uh from one place for all staff I tried to use office exchange settings but it does not allow to insert company logo position of each employee in text formatting and uh so does anybody have a solution that they've used I've used a third party solution and two different uh two different places of employment um that will you know you can just google it but they will actually allow you to do exactly what you just said same here right right part of the problem is that you just one of the things that they mentioned was they wanted each individual person's title right so when they with each individual ad user would have to go out to this service and then you know that would have to tie into your ad in order for that to read what the title is but uh through two exchanges own mechanisms I'm not aware of you know Mike you can name third party it was like we're fine with with uh if there's anything that you recommend so yeah so there was one I can look it up the one I just used um let me look it up here so the one I'm a fan of is and it was mentioned somebody else responded was exclaimer um and it's really powerful it's I so you I think for a lot of organizations uh email the signature file it's a um often left unused uh marketing tool as well what's brilliant about some of these third party solutions so I think we're all agreed unless anybody has any hidden knowledge about things that you can do and out of the box exchange but I think the answer is no you cannot do that just as they've identified but a lot of these third party solutions not very expensive uh are fantastic what's great about that is that you can go in there with a product again my experience is with exclaimer and I've I've worked with them a couple times and so there they've been a repeat customer but I just really like their product I was a fan of the product before I started work with the company but what's really cool about a solution like that is being able to go in centrally manage so if you as a company are for example sponsoring three events at different parts of the world that you can actually buy geo set up so that the banner the signature files include artwork jpeg for the regionally corresponding event and have everybody signature files look identical and yet you centrally can manage what you're advertising for your company or the special events whatever in the footers of all of your employees which is pretty cool yeah actually the one I was thinking of was and this really ties into the active directory part is part of if your company uses Salesforce so Salesforce has a mechanism built in that allows you to because you're already tied into AD with Salesforce to be able to create those signatures constant contact I know allows you to do that as well from a marketing standpoint and then the one I used when I was with another company was called I think it was wise like wise creator or why no why stamp that's what it was so you know why stamp would allow you to you know create your own signatures and do multiples like you said Christian be able to work you could have like three or four that you could pick from any other thoughts on that how you look like you're on the verge of saying something adding not say something adding to that I'm thinking something to say to my surface here and it's giving me some tips this morning sorry hell's amount multi-catering he's got like 10 things going on at one time so we're never really sure if he's with us or he's you know off doing something and I say that with all the love out I do why thank you is there any other way to say that yeah well you know there's I was just going to say that as kind of a gentle knock on Riz not just Eric who is bringing up topics that we've already answered and moved away from and emotionally disengaged ourselves from but we see repeat of a few questions around here I just see a couple of questions posted on the third from Bucky saying I want to remove a domain from an office 365 subscription for use as a domain in another totally different office 365 subscription typically how long does it take for the changes to propagate 48 hours 748 to 72 hours yeah if you're using service I just did this I do a lot of mass changes and I found some of the domain providers and registrars are actually quicker than others like GoDaddy takes forever where Google domains and Namecheap they are like Namecheap is like 3 hours 4 hours and it's changed Google domains is like 6 or 8 hours and it's done so yeah you're at the victim of the DNS provider a lot of times because time to live for those records from provider to provider yeah there's a few comments on here somebody said Eric says also make sure your DNS records are set to expire in say 5 minutes get cash for a day or two yeah careful set them back after you're done or else some of those nameserver police will come after you and say that's a no-no yeah that was actually me that wrote that I just wanted to get in ahead of the comments yeah I'm generating a lot of traffic you don't want well here's interesting it's a roundabout SharePoint question Chad says hi I'll just throwing this out here see if anyone has run into this before we had a user who was licensed with E5 she lost her license and then it was given back there wasn't an expected pause and functionality now everything works perfect except SharePoint which impacts OneDrive Teams files etc both desktop client and web version when signing in there is an error that the user doesn't exist in the SharePoint directory if you look at her user account you can see her OneDrive setup with content it just won't let her in license has been back for maybe 12 hours does the re-sync take longer that's going to really depend because with SharePoint with SharePoint question the answer to that question is it depends yeah I imagine that but with SharePoint there's a SharePoint keeps a keeps its own mapping of users to accounts and so a user in SharePoint is mapped to an Active Directory or another source account but there's not necessarily a one-to-one and if that user ends up getting deleted from SharePoint or removed and then you add them back with a different for instance SID in Active Directory they're going to have two different entries in SharePoint and so the reason it depends is because if they are in there as two different users they are going to look the same but it's actually two different accounts so that's a problem yeah there are ways on-prem I know of getting that users table back in line if you wanted to consolidate it in the cloud I don't know what the options are you might want to look at the SharePoint admin commandlets for PowerShell to see if there's anything about consolidating users by login now Ben you'd be able to have a support ticket I bet your support could do that on the back end that's what's going to be my suggestion that sounds like a support ticket thing yeah if that's the case there's been a lot of that there's been a couple of MVPs I've seen that have had E3 accounts and of course you get an E5 as part of your benefits and trying to get those swapped back and forth and there's some gyrations that have to go to go with that but in this case this sounds like a ticket yeah all you lucky people that can get E5s I hate you the one thing I keep asking for is that with all that with the E5 with all the other perks the MVP perks I would like a project license but I've not found anybody that has that I don't think the project people have it as a perk project online yeah project online I don't know I keep asking but I've asked in the team and it just gets kicked around but I don't believe it's a it's a perk anyone out there so anyway I was going to say another how that person's license was removed or paused or whatever could also determine that so they're still in the system removed that would be expected behavior to come back and have a second profile if they were removed even for a short while if it was just paused if the license is expired I again agree with you guys that disconnect is there talk to support they should be able to fix it but if there was a if they were removed from the system deleted as a user in any way then let me ask a question then because in AD you have a recycle bin that user actually isn't deleted unless they're specifically purged you know that's what I'm saying it's like we don't know when they say removed there's a number of different factors that's exactly yeah yeah because I have so for all of the grad students that I that I use for research projects and I just I remove licenses but they're still in my system and so I've worked with a couple of them repeatedly and so I just reactivate when they're working on those projects yeah another reason another great point why you want to disable someone not delete them typically from an active directory or you know in this case share point excuse me and I had one situation where folks were like they didn't understand they were using the old sync you know AD sync between on-premises and 365 it used to be you know back in the early days before was AD connect yeah exactly and yeah what happened was we're like oh we delete them on-premises oh we deleted this user accidentally on-premises oh well their accounts still going to be in 365 I'm like no yeah totally different ID yeah I don't think that means what you think it means again if there's anybody that's watching we've got another 15 minutes if you've got questions that you'd like us to try and tackle feel free to to ask we've got about a dozen or more people watching in a couple locations so feel free if you've got questions let us know anything else you guys have run across any other discussion points about other than Xbox in the case of the missing aliases now what's that oh it's a it's a case of where someone gets an Xbox someone puts a kid's account into that Xbox the kid starts using the Xbox the kids decide they don't want the parent's account in the Xbox so they remove the parent's account from the Xbox which in turn removes the Microsoft account and suddenly parents mailboxes aren't careful how much access you give there's an issue going without theoretically mind I don't have an Xbox and I've not tried this but there has been considerable discussion in the answers forums and so forth about how do I recover my mailboxes because my kid deleted it there's no real good way about it because they come with big warnings, you know deleting this from here deletes it from everywhere and somehow it's ignored or not seen or not understood and the result is a mess that there are some things that Microsoft can do to bring that mailbox back there are things that they can't do lesson here being you have children and you want them to use your Xbox add them first of all make sure that your child is set up in a child parent relationship through Microsoft systems because then you get parental controls and all sorts of things but then you know when you add them to the Xbox you know that account will go through and carry the permissions through your kid if your kid is wiping out your account they've got a few too many permissions I didn't realize that that that could happen with an Xbox I mean I would imagine that so one who is going in managing their exchange account their overall account through their Xbox well that's a default of an Xbox yeah if you go into an Xbox you can go in and you can look at your Microsoft either Microsoft ID or your work or school you know login and you can use that inside of an Xbox so with the removal something like that via again I mean I look at I use my Xbox not as a computer for other things it's a predominantly a gaming and entertainment device and I would assume like the expected behavior would be there'd be some kind of warning through my normal channels through the devices that I use remember this intelligent systems we're trying to move towards to say hey did you intend for this to happen somebody through this gaming system has tried to delete your profile and there needs to be some multi-step that needs to be authenticated what happened to MFA what about you know the parents what if the parents yeah what if the parents gave the child admin rights you know that's just it I mean from an admin perspective you can go out and delete an account they don't want it as notified but if somebody yeah so again this is and these are home accounts Christian yeah yeah or my not work so if they logged in if my child logged in as me to delete that yeah there's nothing you could do about that but if it's another account deleting you know someone else's account again I would expect that I get some notification on my device okay I can go in and delete my son's account because it's family right because you have the whole family concept with the soft ID you can create a family you create that family you know my wife and I have the admin permissions I can go delete my son account he never knows that that account is deleted we'll see that and that's the difference and my kids are set up is that I'm the admin as well they do not have those rights and then they pester me is like hey can you also do the give me this or let me do this and then the answers simple no the real fun begins how much does something like that pay that's another phrase I don't know about you guys but you know my kids have gotten older since these accounts were first established all of our children have gotten older Sean what's your point it tends to happen I know it tends to happen but as they get older for a while they try to you know they go back and you're there at the point like my kids are 13 now so they've kind of hit that 13 year old milestone and we're allowing them to do many things they weren't allowed to do previously and you load certain games on their computer and suddenly they can't do certain things like join friends online or play along with you and I found those permissions is sometimes a real journey because you know six years or seven years after you set them up it's like oh man where do I need to go to do this and for the Xbox I know recently because I did this I set my son up with Minecraft Dungeons and we were trying to play together and he could not see me online he couldn't join me even though we were friends and I had to make a specific change of permissions in his account to allow that to happen even though we were playing the PC version so the one thing that bothered me about the Xbox is that the person who logs in that login it always logs in you power the Xbox off three years later you power that Xbox on it'll automatically log in that user so if the password hasn't changed for that user it'll automatically log in even though that user hasn't done anything in three years because my oldest son stopped using Xbox switched to PS Playstations he came back to the Xbox he used his old ID and turned on his old Xbox and boom logged in as him he hadn't used it for years he didn't even remember his password but he didn't have to because it just logged him in it's interesting because I mean we've got each of us in the family has we've got our own profiles we power on our Xbox and no one's logged in but there's only one profile on the box there was only one profile so as an individual it was his Xbox and there was no one else that used that so there wasn't multiple logins or profiles just his interesting I just think from a security standpoint that kind of blows but yeah because I mean I've got my profile password protected for the controller I've got a control sequence that maps to characters and every time we log in to use the Plex server I've got a punch in my profile my wife has her own password and what not so I'll get access in that I'm me when I'm in the system but it's kind of funny because the Xbox is definitely recognizing my wife when we sit down we have movie night we're having dinner it's like hot Tracy she's the only one who gets that what's up connect you look at my wife come on she's the only one who gets that Sean have you had a chance to watch time bandits yet no I'm afraid not Christian 12 monkeys I had seen 12 monkeys but I haven't had a chance to rewatch it I watched it as you probably know right after you put it on there on Plex again so just another fantastic movie it's funny we talked about this briefly but I was never I never understood why Brad Pitt was so popular it was that movie that me just like man he's a really good actor just like what's eating Gilbert Grape with Leonardo DiCaprio it's just he's just an incredible actor from that movie I was a fan but anyway classic alright in the waning moments Wes is complaining about something Wes is always complaining about something he's just commenting on the Xbox is it seems like it picks a favorite our Xbox greets Connor through the sun every time so yeah yeah where's Liam I'd be looking at that Xbox yeah Christian no messages from Liam today I'm very disappointed is he still on the road I don't know if he's home or on the road he was like yeah he was dropping in like sitting at the Denver airport or something last week so yeah he was passing the time watching us so he's home he's probably catching up with work now still too busy to join us too good for us that's for sure probably no place that's got decent bandwidth yeah I don't see anything else anything else coming up is there well I'm just thinking that I had so I had to back out of the ECS in Germany in October due to family stuff since they pushed it back from the live event to the live event in the fall but the European SharePoint 0365 in azure conference which was going to be in Amsterdam in November got cancelled yeah just cancelled not yeah so they're going to be doing Nice France next year October next year so it's is there anything else is Rackley's event still happening the North American Collaboration Summit yeah as far as I know I saw it was but who knows I think that's going to go on Riz he's going to do it anybody going no one I'm driving down I was supposed to go but I've got the quarantine rules because I can't go down and then get stuck back in Canada for 14 days under quarantine that would kind of suck September yeah but yeah it's in Branson in September and that event it's worth noting anyone who might be attending or thinking of attending that's one event the population density down there is low enough that social distancing can be a reality and I'm counting on that especially somebody who's driving down there so I don't have the plain thing to worry about yeah that convention center is massive and they've got the entire upstairs space and so yeah you're right I mean if you're concerned about that again you wear a mask and gloves you're going to have no problem sitting six feet surrounded by all these other people there's plenty of space there Sean you mentioned driving do you have to park a certain number of spots away from the next car I don't even sense that yeah it's a good point I don't know is every other space in the garage going to be open I don't know I've been driving around with pylons in my car I just park and then I put pylons two spots inside it's really effective I was walking the dogs this morning and I see a guy we live a 5 minute bike ride away 10 minute bike ride away from the tech hub here at Lehigh so across the river from Thanksgiving point and a guy riding so he's dressed for work on his mountain bike the backpack and a full mask there's nobody nobody I was 200 feet away as he's riding by on his bike he's wearing the mask and people that makes no sense you can remove the mask during the ride and then when you get to the destination you know put it back on it's okay not with you because I have a relative that was actually born in Japan and that was something that they've been doing all their lives I mean wherever they go because they don't want to get anybody sick from anything that they have they even have a cold you also have the smog in that city so there's different reasons for there is but that's part of their culture is that if they're sick they don't want to get anybody else sick so they wear a mask and even if there's nobody a mile away from them they're still wearing that mask so it's their own but it's our jobs to point out those freaks freaks, geeks, and weirdos what about Christian's therapy all right I need to go do my research on the donut aversion therapy I will report back this evening looking forward to that thanks everybody for joining and for those of you we are at 8 a.m. and 6 p.m. pacific so feel free to join us for this evening where we'll be the evening in the Americas or around Asia Pacific so it's our APEC time but we'll see everybody back and if you're going to join us bring an item same bad time same bad channel I've read through kind of everything in here we could go through there's always a plethora of questions out on the Microsoft Teams community Facebook so we might be doing a lot of teams talk this evening right gents thanks a lot yep good day have a good rest of the day guys take care alright and we're live with part 2 of the what do we say this is 16th, 17th I don't know whatever the episode is how you're looking very high tech today yes that's the radio equipment I'm sitting in the radio room if I were to turn the camera 180 degrees you'd see that very same setup with a few bits and odds there's a paper around it I will say that my recommendation I believe the last time I made was that what you need is like that the flux capacitor buzzing back there and then you'd have the perfect setup yeah well the trouble with that is to be specific from my point of view once upon a time I built a thing called a Jacob's ladder you familiar with those I've seen the movie yeah well you've seen it in Boris Karloff films and things like that basically what they have is two long rods in a V shape and down at the bottom there's a certain button sticking up right at the apex of the V the two are connected and then you hook that up off to a something like a neon sine transformer and what happens is it's a continual arc it starts at the bottom and the heat of the arc draws it up yeah draws it up the the wires till it gets too thin and it breaks off and another one comes down the bottom and it's a just a continual flowing arc a Jacob's ladder I love that kind of stuff as a kid I want a science fair with that of course got myself into a butt load of trouble with it too because this was the junior high coming into high school and this was a science fair and I built this Jacob's ladder and I you know unfortunately we had we had a fairly dupler high school classman who was out there buying real hard for the Darwin award for that particular year who you know looked at it and watched the watch the arc running up and running up and waves up the up the two metal rods say is that hot I said well yeah it's an electric arc well I don't think it's hot I won't touch it we should have touched it of course burnt the crap out of it oh you some kind of smart alec ain't you I told you it's hot oh you did anyway so I heard for him later on when I was a freshman unfortunate but you know science rules science rules I loved that kind of stuff as in junior high and high school I'm trying to remember where I went where there's I can't remember if it was in the US or if it was abroad where they had it wasn't a jacob's ladder but they had the big you know the tesla coils and it was it was massive and they caged off the entire space from the viewing area and and you could safely touch they you know there was a minimal chance of something happening we could touch the outer cage but the whole thing it would it would arc in spark on the on the cage the surround but it was supposedly safe enough to touch I didn't venture so far but you know I wanted one of those globe things with the that you touch it and your hair it stands up and you get the home versions of those which are a bit lighter weight but I was just always fascinated by those as a kid very very very very high voltage they get that almost no current whatsoever that's what that actually happens when you rub your kitty cat and the touches those you both get a shock well that's that's it many thousands of volts but the actual arc itself is in microamps or just ridiculously low current so you say ouch instead of you both going up in the ball of flame yep well over the course of the day any other questions pop up that you guys wanted to discuss donuts yeah donuts yeah I looked in I did my research on the topic and for those that didn't join us that are watching in one of the live streams I was talking about this morning one of my favorite radio programs and just Sean he appears just as donuts get mentioned I've been summoned that's right it's the key to the interdimensional travel tickle tickle tickle so unfortunately it's not that exciting I did go and I posted the link up from the up on Facebook from this morning in the community so my one of my favorite radio stations or radio programs Armstrong and Getty morning guys we're talking about donut aversion therapy and all the links of course they have the little video of them talking about joking about it but the you know every link and I went out there just to make sure it's just like a legitimate thing like it's it's you know to see if there was any discussion around it and the idea of aversion therapy is you know that you it's like my parents tried this with me as a kid my older brother didn't work with Halloween candy which is the eat as much as you can eat as much as you can and we did just fine it didn't like turn us off to the candy my kids I did the same thing where we just said you have as much as you want they get through like a dozen pieces and they're like I'm done take it away and I'm just like lightweight yeah really that must be my wife's DNA that weakness that they can't eat more candy in one sitting but anyway so around donut aversion therapy it was much the same thing there was a lot of links to aversion therapy and there was somebody that mentioned donuts specifically but it was you know this idea of eating so many donuts that you'd be sick of eating donuts I think it would work for like that day that afternoon I don't see how it's possible for it to be ongoing and at work well I've heard stories about folks that have worked in well not folks direct but folks that people that my parents knew that work in candy factory it seems to me my mom knew somebody who worked in a seas candy factory and the idea there was just go out and eat as much as you want and the point if it is is after a certain amount of time the idea of chocolate makes you absolutely nauseous so let me get this straight if you're if you're actually creating something like chocolate but I'm going to go a little bit I'm going to stretch that a little bit and go to beer alright so craft beer makers they allow the people to drink as much as they want those people are still going to drink beer I mean they're not going to get tired of drinking beer and I mean you really can't do an aversion around you you know see well I'm talking with my I was talking with my in-laws about this this morning I said you know about the donut aversion because they're big Armstrong Getty fans to being from Sacramento and we were laughing about that and I said you know what this is this is that's like a what's missing is the clockwork orange piece you know like what's the version of that with the donut eating so you have she's like well what you need is every time you take a bite of the donut you get somebody zaps you you know you start associating the physical pain yeah that's an association yeah that would be a version therapy for me that's Pavlov's dog and I mean I'd be all over that go ahead zap me yeah I'm going to have a good yeah I'll take it thank you sir I have another thank you sir I have another I know I told you guys the story of my time in the we called it the petting zoo I had be careful how you phrase is now I don't remember the story just from that description it doesn't read the client that I had and we were back in the moss 2007 days and we had gone through a massive implementation and we were in a situation that was after an upgrade we were trying to roll out some new code and so the rollout got started early in the morning and the manager at the time brought in donuts because everybody was going to be very busy I was kept particularly busy because the code when it rolled out did not go the way it was supposed to try to do all sorts of things to get it up and running reliably ended up ultimately doing a bunch of binding redirects and web configs and things like that to get it up but I couldn't go out to eat that day and so all I had were donuts and I shamelessly ate about 1820 donuts that day oh my goodness to the point where one of the other consultants across the table we had this petting zoo arrangement where people would come in it was a bullpen style thing and people could come in and visit us and they pulled out a petting zoo but she was texting people back in her home office she's like my god he's eating another one we actually had camera phones at that time she said taking video and pictures of them she would have definitely done that I'm not going to stay on this whole donut thing for too much longer because oh we could I guess you guys ever try those hamburgers that have the donut halves as the bun no yeah so there are places that serve to have the glazed donuts that are the top and the bottom bun of a hamburger I've seen that it totally falls apart but it is delicious and you know I have a gut feeling that concoction deep fried it would not only hold it together but it would be even more delicious just a theory we need to prove that out the Monte Cristo sandwich at whatever restaurant I used to have a deep fried sandwich it's like ohhhh excellent have you ever had deep fried Oreos yes I have actually and Twinkies and Snickers yeah and now if you come to my state if you come to the Wisconsin State Fair one of the things that we're very proud of is our deep fried butter so they'll take a bunch of butter and deep fry it and you just totally serve it oh man I feel my arteries hardening just thinking about that we had a nice rainbow right before this call which is why I was a few minutes late went outside and we've had some weather coming through and nice rainbows across the sky so I snapped some pictures of it I'll have to post them later nothing like destroying visions of rainbows then coming in and talking with this crowd yeah really about eating deep fried butter I had a lively conversation I have to tell you guys about and it centers around Office okay so on Twitter today someone made a comment and I made a comment back and we got into a side conversation around when is Microsoft ever going to if they will ever create a full client for Linux operating systems for Office now this is something that's been volleyed back and forth whether or not they're going to have Office for Linux I didn't know this but they make teams for Linux now I didn't know that there's an actual distribution that you can install teams on Linux so I think that is kind of like the first step right so do you guys ever think that they'll go that route still the Windows Linux system that is built into Windows 10 if you turn it on with the Microsoft kernel do you think that these hardcore Linux users will ever get an Office suite depending on what the parity is of that Linux client you have the ability to consume Office documents and have in the WSL and the Windows for Linux you will eventually once they get the graphics to come over they were making the point that Microsoft was so anti-Linux years ago and they would never create an Office app for Linux and I'm like hey you know what teams they make teams for Linux and they're like no way no way I would rule it off the table because Office for Mac you had that and they haven't updated when's the last time they updated that well there used to be the Mac business Mac Boo my first building was at 115, 116 when I started back in 2006 the Mac Boo was down the bottom floor I had a good friend David Weiss that worked down there and he ran the lab so go down there and see all of the little I'm not a Mac guy so what are the computers the little cube ones that you could kind of run in parallel hundreds of them yeah the minis they're so cute it was a pretty little lab mini me so as far as topics anybody else that is watching the live stream we got about looks like about we got a handful of people that are watching the live stream if you do have any questions about Microsoft products or services that would like us to attempt to answer them feel free to comment you gave us a directive in the first show this morning that each one of us had to come with at least one question one topic I presented mine I'd like to see these gentlemen come on but Mike for the record I asked that I say that every week some weeks some on some weeks usually stuff falls out I think everybody remembers something like oh yeah and hey this came up and so something kind of falls out but I think we usually all of those fresh ideas are discussed in the morning session they come out somewhere yeah there's a couple topics there's one it's more of a soapbox comment from Sean and the Microsoft teams group in Facebook but I think it's a good discussion point it's something I'm actually writing about I've got two articles I'm working on right now but so he says as we come more mature in our use of teams because of the folder structure and the complexity of trying to keep up retention policy blah blah blah says it doesn't says teams it's not a view into where all the content is stored so it's not a good content management system it's for the base collaboration so it goes on it talks about the structure so we're seeing teams is the place to collaborate when you're done the SharePoint group site is the place to store the records this is a complicated message to send out to users that already do not fully understand how records work it's a great point the importance of accurate metadata and standards and that really teams is just a face on a group and for that that team site underneath any comments in the plan the governance the operations or anything else you know like the messaging so it's that there's not a strong question there but it's a great point is that you know teams is so much more about the collaboration the activity in the presentation layer of what's underneath but for an organization that is really trying to drive down the messages the importance of metadata of taxonomy about the information governance it's a confusing story so I don't know what the this is what I'm writing articles about there's a more and more discussions around sprawl inside of teams which is just an extension of SharePoint in exchange and the sprawl that existed prior to that it's a discussion in my mind more about information management knowledge management systems at all not just teams teams just the latest flavor of that discussion but any any thoughts of how you guys describe this the of governance of what people should be thinking about with teams when it comes to governance well I mean similar to what you're describing it's I've had numerous situations where I've had to gently explain or try to explain teams versus SharePoint and people wanting to basically can I surface my SharePoint site inside of teams can I put SharePoint web parts and what not inside of teams they want to bring discussions that are in SharePoint into teams that doesn't have a good strategy around that right now are you talking about like the specifically around the teamifying the teamification of of legacy you know SharePoint team sites and yeah it's layer on top of that yeah they it's there's not a clear message on that and how it works and so you know we don't have anything inside of services SharePoint stuff beyond document libraries and you know the I viewer what pay web part page that sort of thing but there's not a greater level of integration surfacing SharePoint stuff in teams yeah I could say that you know in some of my experiences been around sitting in a room listening to even some of the partners and do an explanation around how teams is supposed to be presented and how teams you know what the solution is for the customer I kind of sit back and I wonder Microsoft isn't giving a clear message even to the partners and the partners go into the customers and they get the customers all confused saying well teams can just do that you can do that in teams you don't need SharePoint don't worry about SharePoint you can do that in teams and I've heard some of the craziest stories where they would say that well the partner told us we could do this they told us we could do that we could do this and it's I don't necessarily blame the partner I kind of blame some of the messaging coming from Microsoft it's kind of unless you're getting it directly from one product team you might be getting mixed messages that's not uncommon I mean there's such a you know yeah yeah exactly and there's such a siloed company now I mean they really are I deal with that on the Azure side all the time where one team that's working on an example Azure Sentinel doesn't know what the team for Log Analytics would tie right into Sentinel they don't know what they're doing and I'm like you guys don't even talk to each other we have a meeting like twice a week well that's a long history between if you look at just the history of Office and the other business applications like SharePoint you know these business systems and their integrations and so it's you know just over time you've seen it's improved they've gone in and they're now creating consistent behaviors consistent experiences across the workloads but they've been other teams I mean I have to believe that Jeff Teeper now owning and driving a lot of that messaging and positioning and product features and direction of teams we're going to see a more unified story with some of the other backer we've not seen anything specifically come out around this issue of teams but the again I look it's a partner opportunity yeah yeah yeah it's an education thing too because there's some you know some folks that just don't they don't get the message they don't and they can't convey the message to end users very well yeah customer very well in my opinion working as you know we've all been kind of middlemen you know kind of the go between and trying to be the trusted advisor if you will and sometimes you know they the customer is not getting the right message or the message that we think they should be getting so I did an interview with former office apps and services MVP and and regional director Benjamin Nyland who was shared gate a couple weeks back and it's out you can find it it's part of my MVP buzz chat series it's up on my blog at Buckley Planet you can find that but he came up with something really great we were talking about kind of around this issue and specifically some of the messaging that with their various products that do migration and and management of your admin tools around SharePoint and teams and and groups off 365 groups they've not renamed groups to Microsoft 365 groups have they it's still office 365 groups is the name of that right I believe so today today yeah well this week but anyway so he so he talked about kind of the the front end to this problem the middle and the kind of the back end he talked about it says well the recommendations for this is working with clients around what is your onboarding your provisioning process and so to lock that down and be consistent in what your requirements are whatever they are that's again you can have very locked down organizations that want to control that provisioning process through every step and and there are others that want to leave it wide open and there's neither one's right or wrong there's just consequences to behaviors you know the things that you put in place but to to have a strategy for that provisioning then you have once their provision once they're in your environment they're on teams what are your ongoing management activities the rules that guide how people use the system and that's where most of the governance now governance there's a deep dive into that that's where the inception happens Leonardo comes out behind the screen you go another level down wait for the kick to wake back up and then the last for that reference to the movie Inception for the three people that have not seen that movie or what's eating what grape either one's good the and then once once you're you're done is the what is the expiration what's the you know how are you managing that you know the archival process and that's where you have like the d r the backup of recovery the business continuity strategy for all of that how you're handling things because it's also about risk mitigation you can't just leave content unknown in the system and there could be legal requirements around the handling that data and all that so so there's kind of those three phases of things that you should be thinking about planning for and doing it's not just you know hey we're going to go build the governance strategy was it are you talking about the provisioning the front end you're talking about what's happening with the ongoing management you're talking about what happens at the end of life of all those content in the conversations and videos and all those things all things that you needed to take into consideration and and where I jokingly referred to it as an opportunity for partners but you know Microsoft can go in and write and say look here's high level here's things that we're doing or here's scripts and tools that will help you do some of those activities but customers and partners are the ones that have to come up with these prescriptive experiences and the prescriptive guidance on what to do in which circumstances right you know so and then provide feedback back to Microsoft saying apis need to do more you need to do more within the console or go and build other partner solutions around those things those gaps yeah absolutely the need for prescriptive guidance only continues to grow we've talked about it before where's Neil when you need him yeah especially when you're dealing with you talked about I work with an insurance company that had about 3,000 seats and they spent literally a year just trying to figure out governance around getting people up to 365 and converting their internal websites to SharePoint and all this other kind of stuff I mean it takes time it's a big project it's nothing it's nothing you just jump into and say oh we're going to use the free version of Teams and we're going to run our entire company off of it yeah go ahead go ahead I'm not going to I'm not going to help you do that unless you're talking about a shop of 5 for 10 or 50 people in which case that's what they'll do yeah SharePoint they wouldn't know what a SharePoint was yeah SharePoint can definitely for a lot of I mean a lot of things I mean you get into complexity of SharePoint alone can be complete overkill if you're just trying to host a couple of internal websites or something like that it's just too much complexity to get through just to get something simple that's my opinion that's true that's a good opinion alright I just again post it out in the two locations for the live stream if you have questions and would like us to tackle them the line has been cast yes let's see part of the problem is that a lot of the questions that are asked out in these communities that we talk about this almost every week they're not short answer some of them are like that it's very nuanced there's not a one quick answer to that it's a longer discussion for the teams guys I mean teams folks I'm sorry that are out there so do you think that when Microsoft really jumped on you know progressing the teams platform that I remember when you know it was a thing that they just wanted when they changed from Skype over to teams they were converting Skype for business over to teams they called it the slack killer right yeah was a lot of that driven just to try and get part of that market segment that slack already has because slack is I think slacks market buy is like up here in you know teams is down here so I don't know that for sure I don't have numbers but I mean it's it's the opposite is it really I mean now from it now let's be honest here because some of that could just be hey they bought the suite so they have teams so is it actually actively being used yeah but you can say that about any software application and I would argue slack is it just like any others is in that bucket there's an enterprise that will go and deploy a piece of technology and it might be used by daily hourly by a fraction of those employees and there will be a good portion that aren't used at all and I don't know what slack is doing about adoption of their platform but to your first part of your question I do believe that was a one of the reasonings behind going developing the product was to create something to battle slack because they saw it dipping into SharePoint and other tools yeah it was a competitive stop but they didn't just go and and architect kind of an add-on to other existing pieces they said well if we will leverage these piece but we're going to write something we're going to do it the way that we would build it you know if these others didn't exist but we'll leverage what we can but we'll write it from the ground up then I have to ask a question where did Yammer go where did Yammer put it because that was supposed to be the collaboration platform Yammer was supposed to be the place that was you know hey collaboration was supposed to happen there I mean at what point did they decide you know what Yammer isn't going to cut it we got to create something else it's a different solution so this gets back what you were just saying what we were talking about previously it's the which tool to use when problem that Microsoft has had around these technologies and I think and let's throw SharePoint under the bus as well around this that part of the problem initially with SharePoint messaging and positioning was that it could be anything everything to everyone yeah that's how it was positioned and so it really was like remember Benjamin and I doing a keynote for the European SharePoint conference and we were going through and joking as part of the beginning of our session like you need to build a CRM SharePoint you need to build a project team site SharePoint you need to build a custom portal for my team I want to build an external website for my team whatever it is and SharePoint was the answer and Microsoft came back and just said you know what SharePoint is not the right solution or shouldn't be a solution at all for every problem that's out there and in some ways it's that cycle that we have in IT of going to the best of breed to this all inclusive back to best in breed to all inclusive solutions and I think that where we are in the cycle you can call Microsoft 365 I don't know anybody would call that a single platform there's all the pieces it's a skew that has the various components within that and I don't see teams trying to be everything to organizations if you have a portal which is for a lot of larger organizations medium to large organizations you go build a portal it's not teams that's not Yammer that's a SharePoint experience if you are doing community based all these things are integrated side by side with your portal but is more of a knowledge capture but just kind of a flat structure social engagement that is Yammer if I'm doing some things that are project based then it is teams and so in my mind yes there's overlap between the three but they coincide they're very clear use cases and examples for each of those does every organization need all three no my little company with my part-time employees I use teams I don't have I've got Yammer components that I use for partner stuff but I don't need it for employees I don't need it for the knowledge base and I don't have a SharePoint portal for my organization so it's a you know right tool for the right job but when you need two of the three or all three of them they should work together and have shared experiences there will be some overlap and use an organization need to make a decision about some of that overlap where your preference is based on the culture of collaboration your organization where it makes sense for your organization to do some of that overlapping activity anyway sorry that's my diatribe around that but presented on top yeah that's cool because I mean working for startups right so the thing about startups is when you go in there and this will be the fourth startup I've worked with fourth or fifth anyways they just have a mismatch of applications that they use and most of them are open source right but they still have that office that office 365 license sitting there they just don't use the products you know they're using they're not using teams they're using you know all these other things that you know even using things like you know Lucidchart and things like that they're not using Visio they're not using the resources that they have and it's just because you know like you said even from a department department standpoint one department uses this one department uses that and they just go up on their own little tangents a lot of people brought that from their other their previous jobs they used they used DOMO they used Lucidcharts and there's no governance there's no there's no reaching thing that says hey stop we have this solution you have to use this solution and that's when you start getting all this diversity and that's why I was I was getting to the point that I mean when Slack Slack is just Slack right they really don't make any other product but when you're talking about Microsoft you're getting that whole experience you're getting the you know the teams the SharePoint the you know the OneDrive all that kind of stuff you're getting all those multiple more if I if you wanted to say you got a bigger you got a bigger toolkit than you do with just a company that makes one one thing kind of like I was explaining to Christian a long while back the way we used to do meetings is we would do we would do all of the back and forth stuff on on Slack the vocal part of the meeting was done on Skype for business we would all have our OneNote books open to the same place where we could go through the itinerary and mark things done on and on and so forth and then when Slack when teams came along that all of this got integrated into one window and that was fun that kind of is kind of what I'm seeing for small places but the idea of all the overhead the back end the SharePoint like I was saying that's that's great to be kind of a mess for them yeah yeah so was so from a history standpoint was it live communicator first and then it went right to to Skype what was it I'm trying to remember because that all happened that was your messenger was first wasn't it messenger then live community or communicator or live communicator yeah well then communicate Skype and Skype for business I think there were a couple iterations in between there I'm trying to remember what it was before they bought live messenger they bought place where and that became live meeting that happened that was right after I joined Microsoft so that was 2006-2007 there was live there was communicator and then there was live meeting there were two separate things right there yeah they were good too I thought it was something else before it was I think it went through a couple other name changes at least one more before Skype sprung into existence but yeah name plates get moved around a lot yeah good times good times I was battle with stream you know it's funny though we were talking about some of our frustrations with teams live meetings and what's lacking from the competing webinar solutions like go to meeting and zoom and and WebEx Microsoft bought what back in that era place where was the premium product it was the the most beautiful of the the interfaces those products and had all of those features what happened to that what happened to live meeting anyway where are they now yes that's what we need VH1 come on where are they now live meeting somebody was trash talking zoom today was making fun of what did I see it just over I just perked up at that and oh yeah security thing or what I don't know just somebody just trash talking Microsoft hardware oh I know what it was now it was in there was an article about the closing of the Microsoft stores hmm yeah since we don't I'm just looking I'm tracking here no other questions that have come in what do you guys thoughts of the closing of the stores to be honest the voice that I've heard about it was more around oh I really like going in and looking at all the new stuff and being able to actually look and touch it's like walking into an Apple store I don't buy anything from Apple by going to the store but this is me personally now I know it's a lot of people do but I buy everything online I mean that's what my life has gone now is that you know most of my purchases are made online and what I heard on Twitter on the social feeds when Microsoft announced that was like oh I liked it so much because I could go in and try and try a service or I could go in and try you know put my hands on it before I bought it kind of deal they're losing the one surface support chain that they actually had that worked yeah and it I had the misfortune of buying one of the getting a Surface 4 that had the screen shimmy problem which failed while it was still an extended warranty which was sent back to which I was sent another one that had the same problem to which was sent back which I was sent another one that had the same problem which was sent back which I was sent another one that said they had the same problem which was sent back and I got yet another one uh um that I did with competition and part of this time while they were still available all I would have had to have done would have taken that that that machine up to the uh that that the Microsoft store in Gilbert I would have been handed in the way or something equivalent to what whatever that one was so the stores were invaluable for that they had people that do what they were doing people do how to move things people who how to fix things then they had that the vast educational programs that went on there there were any number of user groups and so forth it would meet down there to put on that that was a huge benefit just nice it was a huge benefit and I mean I had such plans we had a we had a Microsoft store kiosk and one of the two malls in the city was just a little kiosk out the middle of in between two were two other stores but uh I mean that that was it I had a problem let's say the one one of the surfaces I had trouble with was I had a surface uh to RT this was I don't know if you remember but that question but that was at one point in time uh they we got a voucher for you could get one of these things that you'd have an ARM processor with 32 banks or 32 gigs of memory in it for a 259 something like that it was a perk um anyway I won't get any one of those simply because it was cheap and it's a delightful little machine we've still got the little machine about three years though into its lifetime the touchscreen quit if you couldn't touch anything it was a known issue it came about as a hardware update but it was a huge number of people that were complaining about that and the various and sundry forums they eventually did release a fix for it but this was this particular one was one I took by that particular kiosk and said hey look it's got no say no more say no more hey you got one here you go well it's there's that simple but it that machine still functions but it's understandable though I mean the reality is that most of the stores you know and I don't know what the final decision of which one stay open I mean obviously it makes sense in my mind to leave certain stores open like the London store is actually fairly busy all the time and is is kind of a marquee location is probably the most expensive of the all of their stores as far as location but it's enough to they need to have you know that that presence in locations because Microsoft you know does their their offices they moved them out of London proper and it's down in reading now so it's it's away from the city center where people are to so it make would make sense to have that but I go to salt lake or I go into like the Bellevue store it was just always in Bellevue right there the closest to campus and it's still I mean there'd be times when it would be busy when some major release comes up most of the time it was nothing compared to how busy the Apple stores were it just it never seemed to be like the right fit is like they they were chasing us to do more events and things just to get more people in and we'll we'll throw these these swag at you and other things if you come hold an event there and we had some decent events that were there but well you know that now that shifted because now they're trying to get us to use reactors right you're right so now they're saying hey when you have one in your city right that's right reactors in the MTC so now they're opening up the MTC's more and saying hey we want you to bring people into the MTC's which there are more of those around the country than reactors but and and their sales offices like we have just here in the Salt Lake and Lehigh so just across the freeway from me their new location I've actually not been to the new location yet but the old location on this side of the freeway we would do events there user groups we did our you know the the Office 365 developer boot camp for example the windows events where we brought in guest speakers and we put together these events sponsored by and fed by Microsoft in their facilities it was great and they they do more of those then there's less need to go up that was kind of what I told when I would see at the store people from Salt downtown Salt Lake they'd be like hey we've been you know reach out to me about doing this other event like yeah I just used the Lehigh facility yeah yeah one of the one of the pundits actually had mentioned and I don't know if it was the rod or whoever but they had mentioned that it's possible that Microsoft is you know when they start closing these stores they may be opening store fronts in these existing offices like they do at building you know building 91 or whatever it is 93 93 93 91 92 something like that where it's just a store front and it's part of their MTC or it's part of the reactor well why wouldn't they not do something similar like why it seems it would be cheaper just to have dedicated employees at Best Buy they do they actually have contracted employees because I can go into the Best Buy here and Apple actually has a contractor I knew the guy and he actually is a contractor for a local bar and he gets paid by Apple to sit there and talk to people about you know MacBook Pros and stuff like that right right inside of Best Buy yeah that would be a lot less expensive than have an entire store and for some of these like a Best Buy that'll be replaced or just like that yeah the price of square footage in Bellevue mall can you imagine what I mean look at the Apple stores how much money they're paying in in rent I can imagine with Microsoft saying maybe we're just not breaking even on this thing I don't know yeah it's not for lack of trying on their part it's you know because they certainly made a go at it I know here in Cincinnati when they opened the one they had in Kenwood town center I don't know if that one slated to close but I suspect it might be you know there's an Apple store in there as well they've remodeled the Apple store the Microsoft store was rebuilt nice thing they try to draw people in they'll do the VR things they'll do the gaming they'll do the sessions I've presented in a Microsoft store I think we had a user group in there one time actively soliciting with the user groups in the area so they've certainly made a go at it and they've tried they've done what they could to keep the locations open and doing help because I know Christian you mentioned it the SharePoint Saturdays and the SharePoint events all around you know you can go to the you know you can go to the Microsoft store and they're often times ready to contribute something yeah so yeah yeah yeah it'll be like anything I'm sad I mean I understand if it's not making the numbers they got to go you know mix it up it's just it's a it's a different crowd it's the well COVID didn't help right I mean that had to that was the straw that broke the back for you know lots of just Microsoft yeah so yeah agreed yeah let's see Kevin made a comment he says my favorite Microsoft program was Microsoft works I could create an easy and simple database of less than 60 seconds Kevin Kevin Microsoft the greatest piece of artistry that came out of Microsoft was I mean in Windows Live Writer no Microsoft Bob Bob was he was the person who thought that up I've always wanted to meet that person and maybe just punch him in the base once yeah I was that Bob was always kind of a little out there really wanted was always sorry would you say hell I said it seems to me it's still available out there on some obscure website or through anyone it oh boy I was laughing I had fun last week one of the RD lists somebody had said hey I'm getting this error message I don't even know what it was and they took kind of a screen capture of the error message they received and I responded back I threw it together pretty quick I responded back I said I said I'm getting the same error message might look slightly different and it said like you know are you trying to do this it was like are you trying to translate this in German it was a statement and then I put below that how can I help and I put then Clippy and I did that lock up and set it back and Clippy you gotta have him bounce up for the dog what was it in Vista? Vista was a little dog that could pop up and then you had the wizard the little wizard guy that would sit there on the screen but I think it was all Vista right or was that I don't remember I don't remember most people don't remember Vista no but I was just going to say about Bob I think he was always attributed to Balmer I don't know not that he invented it but I think he was the like the thumbs up to it or something but yeah no idea perfect artifact of the Balmer era hey there's a question here from Thomas says hi when I add a SharePoint document library as a cloud storage in the files tab in teams and then open a file and close it it always jumps to the starting point of the files tab and not to the last position inside the document library is there a solution for this guys this annoys me to no end and this is actually I'd say something similar to that I've noticed that in teams but I've noticed that when using file explorer I've not closed file explorer but I'm going and I'm working in like most of us do I've got all of my various locations outlined and I have like a folder that's set up for in my favorites for all the images that I use on my blog so I go to place for storing those and I'll go and open something and next time I go to open to another grab another image I have to go navigate all through again it can't snap to where I was last time for the exact same task the same process and it just jumps back and I've got to dig through to find the folder which is a subfolder of a subfolder of a subfolder that's bad Cody yeah but well and others would say well then don't don't store it there it's like yeah I just love to have a flat interface with all of them it's like there's a reason I've got the structure that I have for logically finding those assets but but in teams I've noticed the exact same thing that it goes back to the top and Thomas there's no solution to that the solution is do you to dig through and go back and find it I'm just I'm being overly negative capture the URL a different way and Thomas is going yeah absolutely nothing they need to fix it it's done busted or what is it good for it needed killin I hear that's illegal defense in Texas your honor he needed killin well there you go uh let's see teams phone systems anybody anyone no no um do uh is there any way to schedule exams in teams that allows time control since a student will open the exam mmm I don't think I don't think so I was thinking if you can go and create a a test or within the forms in the Microsoft forms the advanced version of that has more capability quizzes are not really a test uh yeah the quiz capability yeah it's in the advanced I think it's still in preview um but not that it allows that time control yeah trying to make it too much I think at that point yeah I mean the other way around that you just uh if everybody starts at the same time and uh if they have to submit their answers before the top of the hour and then you close it down for everybody at that time that's a way to time stamp it but you'd have to be real time there's no way to do it asynchronously and answer that yeah essentially yeah pencil down like get it in here like hey I have 30 seconds to submit and otherwise you get an F build a flow on top of it yeah possibly do that yeah power automate sorry yeah thank you for confusing everyone Sean flow power power automate flow yeah but that's a way you can do that if they can you can have a form with a request and once they you know hit start um and then it can start a timer at the end of that hour if they they need to submit they get a couple warnings um and if they don't close that and save up their completed test by that time then um you know records that so yeah I think there's a way you can go and build that be relatively simple yeah yeah make some money go ahead and build it well there's none of us are in the education sector but there's there's gotta be some other tools that are out there that do something similar I'm sure oh yeah so um there's a question here of augmented reality is being used in some schools how can it be used in teams they actually have the testing I know that they showed videos on as a matter of fact where they're testing an entire team meeting happening over the both using Oculus and um the HoloLens so they had members I remember I remember seeing the video where they had people on the screen and they were all wearing the headsets but they were in a virtual meeting they can go up and they can shake each other's hands they could you know have one-on-one conversations with each other I just saw that video like a week ago or two weeks ago somebody showed it to me well I know this isn't helpful for somebody watching the video the recording of this weeks later but there is there's the commsverse event going on this week so today tomorrow three days so six through ninth and they have in their expo hall they've got a VR experience for all of the sponsors and so you go take out so here are Microsoft teams experts and they've put together an event Sean have you been in looking at the vendor booths this week he just wants to look cool it's not plugged in I was just going to say that Sean is trying to look cool Sean you are not looking cool some slack let me get this thing on so that's there's an example of teams people that have gone and built an experience around there it wasn't an out-of-the-box experience and SharePoint Spaces is not yet generally available to go and play with so my correct me if I'm wrong the question is there is there something that specifically with teams not that's out-of-the-box would be my answer you've got to go do some building but there are some solutions out there but take a look at what the commsverse folks are doing and reach out if you've got questions about AR VR and related to teams don't ask one person to talk to is Mark Vail former MVP and Vail Consulting he's one of the organizers of the commsverse.com that event so definitely go check that out Sean gave up yeah stop powering on they never do demos they like that top of the hour we're at the top of the hour let me see if there's any final questions anything else nothing else no other questions asked here well gentlemen thank you again for participating this week and we'll do it again next week see what happens remember the assignment bringing at least one topic bring one question there will be a quiz there will be a quiz alright thanks a lot everybody thanks for those who are watching the live stream and for those that are watching again with all the recordings it'll be up on youtube here in the next day or so and also if you go to buckleyplanet.com you can find all past weeks and recordings as well as a link list to every topic that we've covered so you don't have to watch two hours because it'll be two hours of content you can jump to the specific topic that we covered but if you're a glutton for punishment you can watch it all feel free watch if you're 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