 Well, it looks like we're all here and it is 7 p.m. Okay, and we're live so I Will call the regular meeting of the campus Ola planning Commission to order for the March 4th 2021 meeting and For those of you that are tuned in to us tonight welcome and just Call we are not meeting physically we're meeting via zoom and there are several ways that you can Participate in this meeting by calling the number shown on the screen You can enter the webinar by using that number that's shown on the screen or you can also Once you're in dial 9 to raise your hand if you'd like to speak so as always this meeting is cable cast live on Charger communications cable TV channel 8 and AT&T uverse channel 999 and it's recorded and replayed the following Monday and Friday at 1 p.m. on charts Channel 71 and Comcast channel 25 and you can also do them live from the city's website and our Technician tonight is Noel Cabe With that we have the roll call, please Edna Here Here Here Here now if everyone would please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag America We Need a little practice on that Okay, the next item on the agenda is oral communications are there any additions or deletions to the agenda Katie There there are this evening. I'd like to pull item 4c from the agenda This is the conditional use permit for the storage of vehicles under our new code Temporary uses are approved administratively So I'm going to be doing a review of this we We caught this after publication So we won't be treating it the way we have in the past as an item that is not within the zone But it's an administrative review. I'll be taking a really close look at the site again before my review and We'll be moving forward from there the planning commission would be the appeal board on this if if my Decision were to be appealed So we cannot comment on it this evening But I would like you to know that I'll be doing a thorough review of that application and our City attorney brought it to my attention that we should no longer process it the way in which we have in the past Okay Thank You Katie any questions for Katie on that item before we leave for update Okay, so none now's the time for public comments. This is for comments that pertain to items that are not on the agenda and Again, you would need to use those numbers we showed at the beginning of the meeting to Make a comment, so we'll give you a minute or two To make a comment if you have anything to say about any item. That's not on the agenda and I'm reviewing the I'm watching the emails this evening, and I don't see any public comments that are for items not on the agenda within our public comments emails Okay, then we'll move on to question comments any commissioners have any comments tonight See no hands raised Staff I would like to Have a discussion after the public hearing if that's acceptable to the chair of the issue of Compliance with our sign ordinance as it pertains to our job of approving applications Okay following a lot of public hearing Well, we yeah, we had three public hearings now. We're down to two so if we have time I'm I don't think it'll take a long time, but I'd like to get input from the other commissioners on my concerns Okay, we could do that under item six for commission communications. Thank you. Okay any other commission comments Seeing none then any additional staff comments No additional staff comments this evening Okay, then that brings us to our public hearings and tonight our first public hearing is on 205 else also drive Yes Minutes, I'm sorry miss the minutes Planning Commission minutes. We have minutes from the meeting of January 21st And also from the minutes of February 4th. You know, are there any additions corrections or deletions to the minutes? We have a motion to approve. I am moved. I this is commissioner Wilk I move we approve both the minutes from January 21st and February 4th Your second and I second the motion Okay, Commissioner Newman seconds the motion bear the roll call, please Edna Hi Hi Motion carries and the minutes are approved now. We're at the public hearings. So the first public hearing is 205 else also drive And this is for design permit for a first and second story edition and a new basement for an existing non-conforming single-family residence with variances for the required parking space dimensions landscape strip in the front setback and To exceed the non-conforming structural alteration limit within the R1 zone and this is a public hearing and When we get to the public portion of anybody who would like to comment on this application Again, we will show the phone numbers and how you do that. So staff report, please Thank You chair, Ruth commissioners. I would like to mention Apologize to you chairs. I must have been living in the past and I made this agenda because I left Commissioner Newman as the chair. So I'll make sure to fix that in the minutes for for the record All right, so tonight we have 205 assaultive drive the existing Existing residents the 205 assaultive drive as you mentioned is non-conforming It's one story single-family residence a lot is in the depot hill neighborhood and surrounded by one two-story single-family homes The home is located two inches from the front property line Similar to most properties on depot hill There's the 10 foot wide section of unutilized right of way between the home and the paid street Which the owner has landscaped as you can see here The property is listed on the 2005 city of capital a historic structures list because it's included in the 2004 depot hill feasibility study so with any project that amends a historic resource I hit preliminary historic evaluation was conducted by architectural historian Leslie dill to determine whether the structure is a significant historic resource That report concluded that the structure itself is not eligible as a historic resource However, because it is located within the boundaries of the potential historic district neighborhood And it's between two identified contributing properties the architectural historian recommended that the design of any addition Should be in accordance with the significance of the neighborhood based on the materials size scale and mapping of the surrounding contributing buildings And that the architectural and site review committee take this into consideration when reviewing the project Design and providing feedback to you the planning commission Existing residents is not informing as I mentioned because it encroaches into the required front setback as well as the side yard setback As shown on the survey here Here's the proposed site plan I just called out the two parking spaces the location of the addition and the small rear deck Here's the existing and proposed first-story plan with the addition on the rear which is on the right-hand side of the screen and Then the proposed second-story floor plan and basement floor plan now These are located directly above and below the rear addition on the first story So here we have the existing proposed front elevations Justing it goes rear Elevation back to later for you As you mentioned the applicant has requested variances for the required parking space dimensions Landscapes trip requirement in the front setback and the non performing structural alteration limit. I will go through those now one by one So pursuant and capital and municipal code The planning commission may grant a variance when it makes two findings the one shown here regarding special circumstances And the fact that it does not constitute the grant of a special privilege We're all very familiar with these so we have to show them to the public can see each time The capital and municipal code requires that the proposed structure have two on-site parking spaces that are nine feet wide by 18 feet deep However, do the location of the existing structure the applicant really only fit two parking spaces in the side yard It's one parking spaces eight feet wide by 16 feet deep and the other seven feet wide by 16 feet deep This is the location of the current parking In relation to variance finding a subject property is very small by capitalist standards at only 2400 square feet with also with a narrow street frontage of 30 feet Difficult property width on Depot Hill and in a lot of our neighborhoods actually is 40 feet the existing driveway substandard dimensions are common within the neighborhood and Due to the property size and the width along the street frontage the strict application of parking standards would deprive the subject property of privileges enjoyed by other properties in the vicinity In relation to variance finding B staff review characteristics of adjacent properties on the same block about faulted drive The majority of properties on this block have either no on-site parking or substandard on-site parking space dimensions Similar to two or five up also drive Therefore, we don't need the approval of the variance would constitute a grant of special privilege In terms of the required landscaping Jason to decide property line The capital and municipal code requires on-site parking to include two feet of landscaping between the parking area and the side property line It's a pretty little spacing between them and the neighboring property As I mentioned before due to the location of the existing structure the applicant can fit the two required on-site parking spaces with Substandard dimensions, but not the required landscape area adjacent to the side property line Similar to the first Variance request in relation to variance finding a it is a very small lot with a narrow street frontage And the house takes up the majority of that street frontage existing driveway lack of the landscaping strip is common within neighborhood and Therefore the strict application of the landscaping requirement would deprive the subject property of privileges enjoyed by other properties and In relation to variance finding B Staff reviewed characteristics of adjacent properties and the majority of those properties do not provide two feet of landscaping between required parking spaces in the front Setback and the side lot line. Therefore, we don't believe the grants approval of variance with grant special privilege and since of the third the non-forming structural alteration limit The existing residents is very non-conforming The capital and municipal code states that structural alterations to an existing non-forming structure That exceed 80% of the present fair market value of the structure may not be made unless the structure is brought into compliance with the current zoning regulations In order to do that we have an 80% non-conforming calculation, which the applicant submitted And it demonstrated that the proposed alterations are a hundred and thirty two percent of the present fair market value of the structure So therefore under the code those alterations are not permissible Generally the larger long non-conforming structure is more likely. It is that a significant addition will Will comply with the non-conforming alteration limit because the present fair market value in the formula is based on existing square footage In this case the small square footage of the existing structure make it difficult to do any significant additions that are under the non-conforming alteration limit Generally, sorry So in relation to variance finding a as I've already mentioned, it's a very small property You know conforming structure while not itself historic was built in 1947 in a location that was previously occupied by a similarly sized outbuilding since at least 1905 And it's located within a potential depot in the historic district and the existing structure is small in size of 675 square feet The small home on the relatively small lot limits the size in addition which complies with an on forming structural alteration Wanted to well below the maximum allow before area from the lot size Therefore the strict application non-conforming alteration that would deprive the subject property of privileges enjoyed by the properties and infinity And in the relation variance finding B Once again staff reviewed characteristics of adjacent properties on the same block The majority of the properties do not comply with the required front or side setbacks And many on the adjacent streets, especially Central Avenue have received variances to exceed the non-conforming structure So alteration limit therefore the approval variance would not be a grant of special privilege inconsistent with limitations on other properties So that staff recommends funding mission review and approved project 20 0506 based on the conditions of approval and planning Okay, thank you, Matt. Are there any questions for the staff? Not a question. Mr. Wilk The I noticed on that last slide we had a tree was on their property That remaining is that a large tree? I know there's a lot of canopy coverage. I couldn't tell whether that was neighbors tree or this tree There was a large tree in the rear of this lot that was already removed. I want to say a year ago And was replanted so there there are several small trees at the very rear block and no no trees will be reviewed as a result of this project So we can look forward to 15% canopy coverage. Yes Thank you Any other questions from any listeners? I do Who's I do Okay, thank you. So Am I correct that the additions that are proposed do not increase the Nonconforming aspect of the house That is correct So under the new ordinances that were applicable in the Coastal zone, which it isn't yet due to the delay in getting the coastal approval This would not this would comply with our ordinance. That is correct Hey Any other questions on the parking maybe this is something I don't know if the applicants going to Speak or not, but I Notice in front of the house. There are no parking signs Which I'm concerned about the parking to start with and then Do you know who is responsible for? Thank for putting no parking signs on the street in front of the house Whether that ties in in any way with the application No, I'm unaware of no parking signs in front of the residents Okay, thank you. Any other questions Okay, see now this is a public hearing and it's time for the Public to make comments and first is the applicant present Mr. Mininger or mrs. Mininger He is present. I'm going to allow him to speak This is Sean they Kevin Mininger is here and they have their hand raised Okay, manager go ahead. Hi Thank you commissioner Yes So the no parking signs on the adjacent property there aren't any in on in front of our house Although it's pretty common within the people of hill for people to put No parking signs when they don't have any off-street parking in front of their house And We're looking to Create a little more space for our family and You will utilize the property Are there any questions for uh, mr. Mininger? Yes, I do I just wanted to follow up on that. I I visited this house today and the signs were right in front of your house so that Matt, could you go back to the photo of the house? Yeah, it's up. Well, so the the um AU next door which looks very similar because they're very similar in color and Scale in size guys have no parking signs in front of their In front of their um house or residence in front of the the gate there so And maybe I would imagine so we haven't put any signs up in front of our house so Okay, okay. Any other questions? Okay, thank you. Mr. Mininger. Uh, we'll bring it back to the commission for uh Discussion who would like to lead off? Um, first, I'd like to report that there's no written public comment either Is there a uh I have comments if no one else does. Okay, mr. Irwin So I I think that the new parking spaces that are proposed are very problematic, but uh, Maybe it's the best that they can do. I mean it was seven foot parking space in tandem in front of an eight foot parking space uh, I hate to Set a precedent for that kind of uh variation of the parking ordinance. It's really I mean For a lot of vehicles. It's just not viable um I just throw that out. I'm not gonna hold up the project and account of that but I do I would like to see a condition that they're uh Because I think the parking is so problematic that there not be Any no parking signs in front of their property In the public road Okay, thank you, mr. Newman. We we did approve a similar application up on uh fan mark Where the parking spaces were I think very similar in size to this Well, they were small. I I'm not sure that they were seven feet, but we're smaller Okay, any other commission comments? Yeah Susan I uh, this is Susan westman. Um, I agree with commissioner newman. I was quite concerned about the parking And um did visit the site and it's clear that they are using those two areas for parking For their residents right now And my my While i'm going to vote for this particular project my overall concern is that um You know the goal one of the goals in our zoning ordinance is to continually improve our community And um, I think we want to be careful by making exceptions Which which don't improve the community when you have a project where the majority of the structure is going to be torn down and rebuilt um This one may not be as bad as some because the addition's in the back, but I think we we want to be careful in the future of Not requiring adequate parking Uh as parking becomes more of a problem in all of our neighborhood as more ad use are added and more density is added Uh this particular project I was willing to vote for because basically it's a Zero lot lying development And it's the same next door and I make the assumption that when that project comes in They will be asking for the same kinds of variances that are Being given tonight and in this particular situation. It seems to work Um, but I do caution us in the future Uh to not give up too much of the standards that we want to see implied and that we've just adopted in our new zoning ordinances Thank you, Susan any other comments Very none. I have a comment. It's somewhat related and somewhat unrelated, but Uh, I don't think I can count the number of variances the city has granted for people to encroach in a 10 foot unused right of way on deep low hill and just Perhaps it's time to consider abandoning that unused right away. So we don't have to deal with all these variances every time So with that comment, I will uh I call for Yeah, please. Mr. Christian Mr. Neumann Mr. Christiansen have a comment Oh, come in. Christian is it? Hi um, I I was just I was curious as to why That Reading through the historical report reading the um the arken site comments. I was um I've seen when when design and mapping is a Concern or at least an item that's addressed with historical uh structures Why isn't there a um a material board presented? Is there is it is that I believe that that was a requirement and I'm not it Just considering a black and white design of massing is fine But I'm just wondering when when considering how it fits into the landscape um You know on the streetscape just There's no um there's no you know descriptions color and and um I understand we could go out there and look but what what are they proposing exactly with How this is going to be finished off the streetscape jingle on the top and then um floors also fighting on the bottom today I just was wondering You may remember a recent discussion about this with uh commissioner wilk uh where there was a difference of opinion But we do have in our application color materials board um that we um Don't hold people to currently Um, and I know there's different feelings about whether or not that should be required Um, but we really don't regulate color Um, and in terms of siding we would look at that more if this were a truly significant historic resource um with this one the the uh historic Filamentary historic review determined that it was not in and of itself historic. So um that really wasn't um Part of the design review it did it did come up with the arc in sight and the design was amended It was uh strictly horizontal on the first and shingle on the second I believe or the other way around and then they uh our local architect frank banton taking the Siding from the bottom all the way up to the window sill of the second story Um, that's kind of a design uh effects But generally if it's not one of the defining historic characteristics, that's not something that um we would give into in detail. Yeah I just I just I think I I remember that discussion based on the material boards that's in and then seeing um Uh project that's addressing You know historical structure. I just It would be helpful to see materials and What they're actually proposing instead of just the black and white lined on It is a requirement of our Any commission response to court me? I would concur with her Yeah, I I agree with her too. And it's just like we get landscape plans when new projects are coming in And there's nothing that says that that landscaping is not going to change over time Um someone can certainly change the color of their building over time But when they're going through a design review process It seems like the kinds of materials and colors are important to how the design's going to look So I would like to see those materials and colors And that doesn't mean we have to hold up this project tonight for this but In the future. Yeah future projects. Yeah Okay So it looks like uh, just as a kind of unofficial directive We have a majority who would like to see those color boards in the future And I've changed Okay, so are we ready to call for the guardian? Do we have a motion on that project? I may come up to approve the project with the conditions listed in the staff report okay a motion by Mrs. Westman to Approve the project and does that include Commissioner Newman's additional condition It does that there will be no No parking signs placed in front of the residents Okay, and do we have a second? I was second Hey Courtney christiansen seconded it so we can now have the roll call please Edna Sure commissioner christensen commissioner christensen Hi Commissioner Newman Hi Commissioner Westman Hi Commissioner wilk Hi And commissioner ruth votes. Yes, so the motion carries and mr. Manager. You have your project Can I clarify one thing about the condition? Is that no no parking signs just in the public right away or on the front of the property at all? On the front of the property, okay, so just making sure originally Oh project public rather you you'd have to go through the city procedure if they want to make that street no parking there You know their normal signage procedure Okay, thank you that brings us to the next item around the agenda public hearing item b This is 201 capitol avenue, and it's a design permit and conditional use permit amendments For a new entryway windows and an awning awning for an historical commercial structure located within the central village map Thank you chair ruse excuse me Yeah, uh, do I have to recuse myself on this? This is commissioner wilk. Yeah commissioner wilk and commissioner newman should be recused from this item Okay, so this is commissioner newman I guess I am recused because of proximity according to the staff although That puzzles me because I've uh acted on various mercantile applications over the years, but Anyway, I guess that maybe the distance has changed So we'll see you after this hearing still 500 feet, right? Maybe 500 feet has changed Okay Thank you, mr. Newman. Okay matt go ahead Thank you Existing commercial structure at two-owned capitol avenue is a historic two-story building on the southwest corner of capitol avenue and san jay avenue You did see this recently. It just went through last year actually for a similar permit The 5,140 square foot lot is adjacent to capitol mercantile to the south capitol a candy company to the west Structure currently contains three commercial sweets Capitol avenue contains one and two-story structures with residential uses on the first site with Retail uses on the first story Project requires amendments to design permit and conditional use permit approved last year under permit 19 07 5 on march 5th at the beginning of last year's craziness We have a site plan showing the three sweets They've previously approved new entrance along san jay avenue and the proposed new entrance along san jay avenue So the floor plan showing the existing floor plan at the top the floor plan approved under permit 1903 7 5 with the recessed shared entrance along san jay avenue in the middle And the proposed floor plan with a new second entrance along san jay avenue along the bottom Here's some elevations showing the existing san jay avenue elevation at the top The center of the avenue elevation as proposed are as approved under 1903 7 5 That the recessed shared entrance along san jay avenue in the middle and the proposed one tonight Elevations with a new second entrance along san jay avenue at the bottom The applicant is proposing to replace the previously approved recessed entryway with an entryway at a sweet one that is flushed with the building Decide and to add a second new entrance to sweet number two that is flushed with the building beside as well And an additional awning and three pain second story window to the south Modifications are designed to maximize the visibility of the entrances to the two suites And the proposed design design will maintain sharply arched fluted square streamline columns of a historic structure The proposed project includes a significant alteration to the historic structure Significant alterations to a historic structure require approval of a conditional use permit by the planning mission And any modifications to a historic resource must comply with the secretary of the interior standards in order to qualify for a california environmental quality act exemption In considering applications or a conditional use involving the material change of that third feature The planning mission must weigh the benefits of the proposed change against the detriment to the public welfare caused by the change in the feature So in approving any such change commission and shall make one of the two following findings The one shown here that it will not be significantly detrimental to the historic feature And or that the afghan has demonstrated that the denial of the application would result in hardship That is so substantial as to outweigh the corresponding benefits of the public of maintenance to the historic feature architectural historian leslie dill reviewed the project for compatibility with the secretary of the interior standards And found the proposed plan amendments comply Based on the review by architectural historian leslie dill the proposed modifications will not be Significantly detrimental to the historic structure a two-on-capital avenue. So finding number one can be made So the cut staff recommends planning commission review and approve project application 2004 4 4 based on the conditions and findings for approval Hey, thank you matt. Are there any questions for staff in this? Yes, I have a couple questions Mr. Leslie So I want to make certain I I understand what's going on here because to be honest, I found looking at the plan a little difficult Are they proposing To add on I know there's an awning over the new door for the residential unit But are they going to propose to have awnings over these new Store to storefront Yes so that That's what is shown on the plans I mean it almost looked like they were trying to create some sort of little balcony over the windows and I wanted to make certain that wasn't happening. It's just going to be awning Yes, they're awnings um And do we know what color or style of awnings those are going to be or? I believe they were supposed to match the ones on the Um the east and north corner that are on the very right hand side of the picture you see here And those were actually supposed to be replaced as well with New awnings of a similar style as well as one of the conditions That's better from the last permit that are being carried forward with this modification Okay, thank you for answering those questions Okay, thank you Susan any other questions Um Christian Um, it's kind of within the same vein is uh my last comment I just want to see how they I know that the historical report says that it's consistent with the um With the design of the building I just kind of want to see the the window how they plan to execute The dash and the awning and all that other How it all kind of goes together. I think it's going to Bring lots of life to that building um into downtown capitol But I just wanted I was wondering if there's any way to get more depth with their design seeing that um It's on the main area capitol village Yeah, there there are um some conditions from last time regarding bullnose stucco around the windows Anodized aluminum Window frames and I believe a few other details that were specified by the historian That are included in those conditions of approval and should be included in the plan set as well I know that doesn't you know visually demonstrate them But those those notes are will be in the plan set and it will be constructed with those Design elements Does that meet your concerns Courtney? Yeah, I mean generally I can I'll look in Okay. Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Okay, if not, then we'll open up the public portion and uh if the applicant's present he Tune in right now. If not, if there's any public comments, we'll give you a few minutes to uh Make your comments heard All right, we have uh frank fan here the representative of the project raising his hand Okay, mr. Penn go ahead. Hello there. Can you hear me? Yes I'm just gonna say on the drawings that we submitted in response to coordinates. We did show like matt Was talking about and the historian wanted to see I'm the right of sheet a3 It's cut off of the thing that's matt showing But we did match those existing windows So a long uh capitola algorithm With the uh around the edges and we showed how this is going to be like stucco kind of yeah bold nose and wrapping into the holes and then Those awnings are going to be corner round At a quarter round in a blue canvas that's going to match like that was saying The new awnings are going to be right around that corner there with capitola half the new incentives they have in them I was I just wanted to Upend with that and say hello to everybody because you know quarantine and everything Okay, thank you mr. Pannon Uh Courtney do you have any other You're happy now. Yeah, I'm good. Thank you. Okay anyone else have any uh comments? Okay, this is a public portion again and uh anyone else wants to participate now's the time We'll give you a little bit of time here to Going in doesn't appear to be anyone Entering into the public portion so uh Chair Ruth with that will there are no comments via email. Yeah Okay with that we'll close the public portion and bring it back to the commission Uh commission comments or questions anymore No, I don't You want a motion? I'd love a motion I make a motion to approve the project with the conditions in the staff report Do you have a second Commissioner christianson second Okay, mayor the roll call, please edna Uh commissioner christianson Edna are you there? Yes, can you hear me at all? We'll call the roll Well commissioner westman. Hi Commissioner christianson. Hi And the chair votes aye I think this will be a nice addition to that building and hopefully it gets filled because it's set vacant for so long Okay public hearing See has been postponed and that brings us to the director's report Katie anything to report I have some really great news to report to the planning commission Um, so that's the coastal commission has reached out and they are bringing our zoning code update Um forward next month at their april meeting They were trying to get us on to their march meeting Um, but there are some things going on with I think atvs and dunes down south that is consuming all their time, but um, I'll be Getting an official letter from them soon, but they have given me the heads up that they're moving forward And I think they identified they mentioned that the letter will contain three or four items that they'd like to see modified within the code But the big picture is that they're accepting The majority of our requested changes, so Looking forward to that and just a reminder that within our zoning code update that we submitted The non conforming chapter as well as the geological hazards was not included in that update because the direction It's kind of a moving target at the coastal commission right now. They're putting out some Guidance documents, so they put out one that was highly controversial So we're we're not submitting those two chapters At this point and that's something that will come back to the commission in between As time permits will be moving forward with an iho update the inclusionary housing ordinance update next so But great news on the coastal commission So I'll bring you more up to speed next month once I have some official documentation from them. Thank you Okay, thank you, kati And what what happens to those two chapters if they approve the zoning ordinance? We are the old The old will stay in in place and they'll just be reincorporated like they'll be renumbered into our new updated code Oh And then we have to turn around and amend the zoning ordinance to conform with the new state housing standards, right We yes, you certainly subjective and objective Ideas Yes, that'll be coming forward as well. So okay, we'll see that iho update and then objective standards and then then we'll be Probably non conforming in geological hazards after okay, all right, mr. Newman you had Some items you want or some information you want to bring up about the sign ordinance Right, I'd like to just get Input from the other commissioners on this. I you know, I kind of want to not be Chewing on this bone for the rest of my career as a planning commissioner And I want to kind of figure out where what the best direction to go on this The issue as I see it is this we have very strict sign ordinance and capital and the people come in Her projects we impose strict signage requirements, and I'm particularly concerned about 41st avenue but There's rampant non-compliance In violations of the ordinance and particularly with the street side signs And I understand that the staff Doesn't have necessarily the bandwidth or It's not really what they want to do is be signed policemen every day And I certainly don't want to So I'm trying to figure out what the best approach to this problem is Some of the alternatives that occur to me are one Is to do nothing and just kind of Make it an honor system those who Want to comply with the sign ordinance do so and those who don't don't Figure out some way to actually enforce it and for example cbs has got like six flags out in front of their property Now on the street You know advertising services that they're providing We know that the mattress firm place has been Playing a cat and mouse game for Long long time. There are others too and some of those small businesses. I understand Have been struggling and so they're doing everything they can but You know if it has a chance of becoming Rampant is already I think as soon as other people see Signs out there Then why should they not put their signs out there and it's not really fair to allow One person to do it another so another alternative is just not to Not to impose sign ordinance requirements on Businesses anymore and kind of let everybody do whatever they want legally I guess that's more for the city council So i'm kind of scratching my head as to You know how to How to deal with this problem? I It can go ahead first, but I have a comment too. Yes Susan go ahead um I personally think that the sign ordinance ought to be enforced if we're going to have a sign ordinance And sometime in the past. I don't know exactly when Um, you know, it seems that Code enforcement in capitola went to this attitude It's only enforced if someone complains And I think that's a really bad approach Because you put an awful lot of people in an awkward situation that they have to you know call city hall and Complain about another business or their neighbor to make anything happen Um, I I sympathize with staff that they have a lot of work to do But um, I do believe it's one of their sort of charges is to enforce things like the sign ordinance and um If they would you know like some help You know say if you guys will just email me signs We will take care of them because we don't have time to you know go around and look at them Um, you know, I'm certainly willing to try and help or be part of that process but um We we want we have always wanted to have 41st avenue the Exceptional, you know shopping areas that attract people and I would hate to see it Turn into you know, just sort of a junkie trip mall section of streets I would like to see the ordinance enforced And I said I will for one second this is going to turn into a real discussion And we should really agendize it for a future meeting Just because this wasn't included on this agenda as a discussion item So I don't want the city attorney to reprimand us here Yeah, I mean it would be fine with me to talk about it at a different Yeah, let's be happy to I'd be happy to discuss it as well because there's a similar situation occurring at the environmental committee on recyclable plastics and disposable containers that also is not being enforced So it'd be curious if it's a general general discussion on on code enforcement Maybe we should have a study session to discuss these various things So I I can take your comments to the city manager Code enforcement Since I've been here has been just as uh commissioner westman explained It's a we follow up on complaints that come in. I I definitely agree that You know, we've seen increased violations with covet 19 of businesses Under extreme stress, but you know, there's banners everywhere Um, I I I have checked in on this recently about our approach But I think we can revisit this and see if the council would like us to take a more proactive enforcement But it's great to get the planning commission's feedback on this for me to take it to the To our city manager, so I think it's okay To You know, my idea would be we have we have a lot of bodies in city hall And I'm sure they cover a lot of areas in capitol when they're out and about I think if jamie would hold a general staff meeting and Give the planning staff just an opportunity to outline what the ordinance entails in brief So we have everybody in city hall being observant who could then report violations It was sure put a lot more eyes out there And we we have in the past A couple years actually Commissioner wilk will relate to this we hired an intern at one point to do a sweep of our we had a lot of incompliance with our vacation rental ordinance and Joanna wilk was hired as an intern Um to help us do a sweep. So that that is something I think we can definitely Step up our Game on so I appreciate this being brought up this evening Okay, any other commission communications. Thank you katie. Uh, I I had one more um I went for a walk today and uh notice that someone had Strung an extension cord across their balcony across the sidewalk to plug in their car And I think electric cars are here to stay and they're going to be more and more So I would sometimes like to talk about Winner or should we you know require major remodels and new construction to make provisions for charging electric vehicles and you know, how are we going to deal with the issue of like someone charging their car in the street from an extension cord from their house because It's coming I think There is a green building code that we have that that maybe could be addressed in that light Well, I Sorry to interject that I believe that all these buildings are almost positive need to have an eb electrical vehicle Implant and Just for a building permit and I'm almost positive Um, they do for commercial. I didn't know that they did, you know, like the project we looked out tonight They're going to underground their utilities In there's going to be a lot of electrical going on there. Is that That's something we should start considering. I just like the planning commission to talk about it a bit Yeah Okay, any other communications at this time Okay, I just have one I will not be in attendance at the uh, april meeting So commissioner wilk You give the chair you're going, huh? Yeah And that's it if there's nothing else, uh Last chance or the meeting's going to be adjourned Okay, meeting adjourned Good night everyone. Hi. Good night. Good night. Good night. Good bye