 Well gonna bring a syndicate everyone I'm Matthew here with my co-host thousandfold today We're gonna be having local botanist and Farmer Dan who is currently muted because his kid is bashing toys around Today we're gonna be doing a recap of season 11 and doing some Q&A's yeah for people in the audience and ones we've taken before the show thousand take it away Yeah recapping season 10 launching season We've got a few questions from the discord, but also of course welcoming everyone Just you know The questions in the chat Maybe to kick us off. What is everyone being smoking for those of us who have been smoking? Those of us who have been growing Go ahead guys, obviously my sick. Yes Matt is straight edge right now Yeah Am I am I talking to my mic now you'll hear me really hold on now. We're good. We're good. All right Yeah, no, I've been smoking the sweet pee a lot Then Yeah, that stuff's really good super tasty super consistent Yeah, I love smoking it Mr. Dan you're muted I Just took some rips of the wet dream the green crack times blue dream and that shit was fire So shout out to screw for some of them sending that out That's you know that oh Yeah, I've been sampling my freshly harvested Santa Cruz rakes. So I've got four of them and Two of them. I mean again just visually purely visually look a lot more blue dream than the other two But you know, I think profile-wise. There's definitely a quite quite a mix across them So still getting used to them, but one of them's got a killer heady buzz which I love for the daytime So I'll probably be you know, I I don't know that I've ever talked about why I'm not smoking on our show But I got sick with something that people have been arguing about ever since I brought it up cannabinoid hyper emesis. I think it sounds like hyper-o-medic, right local maybe science guy I'm not a medicine guy man. I don't know hyper-o-medic Emesis syndrome which makes you essentially you flood your cannabinoid system so much that it makes you Throw up non-stop until you either die or quit smoking and it shows up quite a bit So I've had to stop smoking you know supposed to be for supposedly 11 months if you're a lifetime smoker To completely flush it out so you can smoke again. So that's why my hiatus exists, but it's been fun Shucking stuff and not being able to smoke it. It's been quite a treat The shrimp cream ice is very nice. I mean it like it's very greasy present and it makes a lot of greasy resin That's about all I got to say on the smoke Sucks Matt did you want to kick us off with also some of the tease of some of the drops that are happening? Okay, so we have my drop we have Pax drop Santa Cruz go for and we have high and lonesome drop So my drops gonna be I call it Viva la blue volution Which is just it's the blueberry in cross work or IX is it's written Which is a totally made-up term for cannabis But it fits because you need a term for something like crossing in between generations as opposed to going straight generational work So, you know, like there's there's a back cross in there at some point and and reading back to DJ shorts blue So we have the blueberry in cross which was my most popular from the original blue bonnet release And that was DJ shorts blue bonnet or blueberry F4 from an old pack that I selected crossed to the blue bonnet And what it did was take all the looks from DJ shorts blueberry, which is probably some of its most Awesome part of its traits is the looks because it's beautiful purple cushy looking stuff and cross that to the blue bonnet So it injected heavy blueberry turps into it so it was kind of what I always imagined the pictures of Like when I was buying seeds of DJ shorts stuff It's how I imagined those things growing out smelling like blueberry looking like that and that's that's what I Reimagined with this and it worked out really well So we we redid that and then we crossed that to Mac daddy, which I have no idea what Mac daddy is, but it looks like a better version of Mac one Well, it smells like a bubblegummy Mac one to be honest. I don't know what's in it That that's like clone-only type. I don't know We have blue cocky, which is a new name We Dan came up with for the Sherb cream pie Cross to the blueberry and cross and I'm pretty stoked on that one. It's fat chunky Sherb a little louder than normal Sherb But yeah, like I mean there's a cut out there called blue Sherb that everybody was all stoked on when it came out I was too. I was like, wow, this sounds pretty good and then tried it and it wasn't really blue at all So I kind of wanted to reimagine that one Blues for me, which is the white runce blueberry and cross which again smells like it's it's a lot smaller yielding version of the Sherb cream pie and then the the trop dosy blueberry and cross which really is like a tangy dominant cookies blueberry and cross so basically it's it's Kind of leaning into the hive crowd a little bit to try to get some injection of interest Into what we do in the first place and as it were like a thousand said maybe a Trojan horse style attack on Bring them into the the old vibe working in the new I guess you can say I'm just so I have to point out like how good blue cocky is for sure Hybrid it's like Dan you literally just came out with that like five minutes ago. Yeah Yeah, that's how my fucked up brain works So good it a cream pie and all so then we got we have what is it goat farms blue dream work? So he dropped. Let me see. We've got yeah, I think you only wrote the names on these. I still got spread them out That's not it either. Where is the goat farm? Dream killer dream killer is gonna be what the p91 I believe that's the sack One yeah one cross. That's right. So soul assassin number one og which is it kind of held for years It's a really really dank old og cut. It's probably a hybrid. It grows way better than og never needed to stake it Super og and turf so it's like Irene, but it's just way better growing plant than any og We have the Santa Cruz dog shit, which is the dog shit crossed to electric boogaloo, whatever you want to call it across to The blue dream and these are all fems for him the blueberry in crosses are all reg seeds. Let's see Well yanking out like a weasel here. Hold on We've got waking life You remember what that one is local? That's the tcpk So the pure kush. Yeah They're kush blue dream and then we have wet dreams, which is the green crack But those are gonna be dropped this weekend. I've been shucking so much I haven't really gotten around so I've been trying to make the deadline for Releasing the blueberry in cross those would already be out except for the fact and I'm waiting for my printer And then we have the mango haze dropped from high and lonesome I don't have those in yet, but it's gonna be I believe green crack mango haze dog shit mango haze Those in there And Know if you did api mango haze, I would hope so I don't remember the list. I need to get it Yeah, I don't remember seeing that one. There's a I think I want to say eb Yeah Yeah Yeah That's all regular stuff too So we've got a few a few different regular seed drops and one fem seed drop and for my next drop It's gonna be probably I think we're gonna do the blue and cross them, but we're gonna see let's see where it takes us That's the hopes anyways, but you can never bet the farm on that stuff. Yeah pretty soon But there's another round of blue drop, right? There's another blue drop after this right to come that we should we may not leak yet. Oh, what's which one's that? That blue yeah, yeah, yeah five mango haze that was the other one. Oh, yeah Yeah, hopefully that won't work and come out. Thank you. Gee and then we also have the TGA process coming soon, which is like The the epitome of something that I said I'd never do and never say never Yeah, so that's gonna be fun. That's gonna be all the newer Bet I think better moms. It should have been crossed to space dude personally. Yeah, that's gonna be coming very soon These are insane drops by the way, like all of them. Yeah, they're pretty good stoke. I Don't have enough space or money for this shit either I know All right, yeah agenda Well, we can start off with some of the questions. So the first one Which we've had before I think but let's go over it again. So digi effects asks I'd love to hear more about mother plant maintenance, especially in solo cups Maybe we can expand that to say mother plants in smaller containers. All right. I could start with this one Mother plants in smaller containers The main thing you're gonna run into is like mold PM Bugs because you have a lot more leaf in a smaller area because if you're using the stuff in a smaller area You're topping your training you're cramming as much as you can and do a tiny scale So yeah, I PM has to be on track Air movement has to be on track a lot of times people like to use and I know this is like absurd nowadays But T5s lower light if you're in a smaller environment to induce like slower growing as opposed to like Decreasing health for slower growing decrease the light for slower growing if that makes sense That was one of our big tricks back in the day keeping, you know, a hundred moms in a small space was using T5s and Like like raising lights and lowering lights as they go up and down. Yeah, that was the main thing I don't know what else you guys got. I would say probably the biggest thing It's the light thing that Matt mentioned and in my at least in my situation because that helps like mitigate How much growth you're gonna get and like once you start getting that many moms it just becomes a lot to manage but also like Me in my case. I also do cocoa only So I have to water and feed like every single watering and like if I do my plants are gonna fall over because like the Weight of the plant is just like too too much for the kind of the width of the pot Let's see I also do racks racks helped me a lot That's I mean you could double your area with that easily Let's see what else I Mean, yeah, just keep your plant your mom's Like well fed well like well watered I had a question about this as well Is there any sense in? With mothers like do you keep the lights as intense as you would for plants that you're growing out to crop? No Yeah, yeah, I give them less light just in general like less intense light Mm-hmm. What about feeding? I've you know every time. Yeah a lot. They need heavy food Yeah, I mean they're getting the same feed as my like plants and flower So yeah, I don't I don't really reduce diet or change diet for them too much. I'm got to keep it consistent Yeah, Kyle's right constantly taking cuts constantly taking cuts That's another good way to keep it low I mean, it's essentially the same thing as topping in many sense or many sense the same way same Achieves the same thing as topping, but it's a huge important part of the process Especially to keep a lot of moms and you're doing like a strain library keeps stuff alive You have to take lots of cuts because shit dies as you keep them smaller Yeah, and that turnover just helps keep them small too It's like if you're cutting it every you know four to six weeks and restarting it then You know You're gonna constantly pretty much have like a seven six or seven inch clone up to like You know a foot or two tall and then it immediately goes back to a clone And so it's a ton of work, but that's that's how I do it or try to do it I'm behind right now. I've got some clone trays that are like two feet tall You know that was another trick I used to use And I don't I mean, I don't know if I recommend this or not or don't recommend it It's something I did You know the 10 by 20 plastic moldy trays or whatever like the thick ones I'd put load those up with pearl light and I would keep essentially like a hempy bucket For a lack of a better term just pearl light and water and keep the clones in that or not water but a feed And constantly water it that way the problem with it is if it's all different strains They overgrow each other real fast some get like two feet tall some stay four inches But I was able to keep things in that for like two months sometimes if I needed It would look like shit, but it would it would work it would function If you know, I've got a tray of 50. Yeah, that's like two months in the tray two feet tall Fucking watering it twice a day and I'm just I don't have I don't have time to fucking pot these up yet But they're going in next I've saved whole libraries that way just like backing them up that way And that's like a emergency scenario or if you're feeling extra lazy or having a very little room It'll work. Um, yeah, it's just essentially what it would be is a mondi tray pearl light and then one of those skeleton trays Set clones in that are open. You know just set the clones in there rock wool more pearl light water that shit in And they'll go bananas in it, you know, so Yeah, I mean I've seen you take off the flower in it, you know Well, and you can get grown in of any size too So you could like really easily just get like the three inch cube Oh, yeah, I mean and like they're kind of tall too And so you could fit like 18 of those in one of those 10 by 20s and just like keep a little mini mom like that too You know, I was putting Seventy Even when I plugged it was just like, oh, I'm gonna have to pop this down like twice a day Yeah, I was gonna rot It was not trying to do the 72 count. I mean, but the tray was off at that point, but Yeah, I mean it was it was hell like trying to do mini cuts in the you remember when uh oasis cubes had the Oh, yeah, and they were like one or one or two count and a little plastic insert Yeah Yeah, we used to cram little like three inch cuts in those and like they took an extra week to like really get established But you know, if they're all just like stuff you would have thrown away and you could sell clones back then that was Fucking great. Yeah, dude I gotta I'm still working out a system for my like tiny tiny shamefully tiny space and I had like a got like a One foot by one foot by like two foot cabinet in which I there's like a shelf in there and I stuffed like 25 plants in there I could set up in that spot Crazy, dude Yeah I mean just to like keep my shit though Like I cut two full trays just for like the dozen things i'm holding on to because I like to take five or six of Of each, you know and suddenly you have like you're just throwing them all away You know, yeah, you do throw a lot away that way. Yeah, it sucks But yeah, it hurts every time you're like, oh, this could be you know Like anything from an ounce to a pound of weed and i'm just throwing it away My buddy, my buddy chris isaro down there. He's um, he does really nice living water. Um, it's it's I guess it would be living water It's it's he has worms. Um, he feeds Water through that through the worm castings that go through that and I think fish shit in it somehow, right? like Oh, it's like an aquaponic thing, but yeah, it's very Verma-ponic Like yeah, it's he's growing some beautiful punchy plants that way. Absolutely. Sounds cool. Yeah It works really fucking well. I've never heard the phrase living water though. Yeah, local You're gonna try uh, you're gonna try growing plants out of your tanks, dude Yeah, yeah, let the nudes feed or the yeah, what are those little fuckers? Yeah, it'll be a pussy It'll be a pussy. We want newt water Bro, that's my compost tea right there How well it works like with uh fish and just it's fucking nuts like Local told me that he has like a shot of that water every day Makes it for life good for the gut by him It was gauge green that used to drink willards water. You remember willers water dan No It was mud water Although he did say one thing that has stuck with me for years I remember one time that dude from gauge green was like Well, I mean just he was like arguing in favor of veganism and he's just like well, think about it If you go to a vegan restaurant, you're probably gonna want to fuck a bunch of those people But if you go to an applebees, how many of those people do you really want to fuck? I was like point taken, bro That's stuck with me for like five years now Like tix and terry armpits were gone That's where you go, bro That's what that's what my book of poetry would be right there. Yeah, right Yeah, yeah, welcome to the live stream everyone I didn't say that shit I think I think that was that was an actual quote. Yeah, Jason whatever his name is the the younger one The older one is the one that was a freak Yeah, yeah, that's that's Jason. He's the younger. Yeah, he came later The old dude though. He was I think it was maybe fulvic water or something It was foul as fuck. It was like kava kava or something, you know, like mud water is crazy Only crazy people drink that That's probably just as bad as like the people who uh Drink silver Or you could be like me and just spill like 25 to 50 dollars worth of silver on your floor at a time Nice Yeah, it didn't yeah, I stained the floor. I was like sick. I'm glad I'm moving out in three days I think super new blue drops match turned blue Oh, shit, I've been trying to get ai to make a picture of matt with a blueberry head and I just can't Oh, that would be amazing. I don't know. I hate to get fat again right now. I'm all blimped up So I've like done it where I've like insert your image and do it to give it a starting point and like it just yeah Someone with more talent needs to do that. I'm just too beautiful for uh return blue like that Get uh is indo here. Indo could probably try it. Yeah, indo gets to work really Yeah, do it All right, we're gonna hit the next one Next question was uh, this is an interesting one. This came up in the breeding series as well Does anyone use keep notes basically notebooks for plants? tracking data in general any tips In there. Yeah, I got mine like right here actually. Yeah I'm so unorganized. I've never kept notes on anything which is why I'm also starting to get yourself one of these It's just a lab notebook. You can put all your favorite stickers on there. This one's from like 10 years ago. Okay, let's see the stickers. Let's see the stickers Yeah, right. Yeah, I have 16s on there. That's how you know it's old Any good bands any lane bands? No, there's the trim scene. That's the barbershop and Humboldt that my wife used to manage We got our general hydro six rivers brewery more general hydro roots organic I think I was working at the uh The um hydro shop when I got yeah, if you got stickers like that clone x baby the one More roots organic track seven brewing in sacramento that shits fire and fluence the most like dead led company of all time Yeah, yes, they make good shit though the first gen But anyway, like I have like a little table of contents up front like you just do this like you would a lab notebook in school and uh Like here's some fucking reading notes, you know what I mean? How do I get the centered reading notes? What else we got in here? Um, you could be a you could be a ta at a university dam Yeah, for real. Look at this one's developmental cytology of the resin glands of humulus lupus I was reading weird shit at this point I guess Yeah, I'm dumb as fuck. I guarantee you It's not Marlin and Clark 2013 that was the when I first read the cannabis evolution and ethnobotany Such a designs for clone racks and shit The evolution and ethnobotany is like a real college textbook. Yeah, that one's dank. Yeah This is literally like me designing my first tissue culture lab You know what I mean in like the phases and like different equipment I need and shit. How do I get that? There we go I just remembered like that's how I do it is like the lab notebooks gridded out. It's numbered pages you can Like here's where I designed a quality index for grading pounds when I worked in LA Grading pounds Yeah, because we had to like grade pounds and know what to sell them for and so like it's my whole process of like Giving it a like a score basically. Well, that's nice Just so when buyers like try to push back on it be like no, I actually have a system as opposed to just like The cool and a little like flood tray design For like a rolling rack. Oh nice a veg and so it's like two little reservoirs of pumps and like Dan's gonna auction off this notebook later on Oh, here's all that. Here's the clone list I had in 2018. Oh, what is it? What is it? Let's see. Let's hear We got walto g straw banana sour patch kids forbidden fruit cement shoes Vienna og this is when I first got down to LA and so we had all this Weird shit purple punch dosy dough two different cuts Uh ultra violence that was all from that cult classics dude. Oh boy. They're kind of like moment in the sun there in like 2018 Marcus Yeah, it's not Marcus Super glue crazy glue Sour straw banana sherbet sherbet. That was the green sherb G 44 G 41 g 33 bubba G girl scout cookie Uh kosher kush buck eye. That was actually a cool little purple plant. Did you Fucking melvin. Yeah, she was a Yeah, yeah It looked cool though. It was like a black rose hybrid of some so it was so stupid. Yeah. Yeah Um purple jack sfv Strawberry fields sunset sherb Golden cobra, I don't actually remember that one Um king louis phasey og wi-fi og derbin gotta have wi-fi bro Yeah, this this reminds me there was this one dude jimmy down in LA And he like ran a bunch of like grow houses and stuff and he had really good cuts Like he had this like sour power og no clue what the fuck it was it was fire Yeah, one two and seven shout out to locals cat Yeah You got into back there Yeah Oh, I had the trace dog at that point. That was a good one. There you go The silver back the silver back was like an og gorilla glue hybrid that was super But Jesus Christ What about like when you were what about notes when you were actually tracking Plants and how they were doing. I remember you actually showed me like a spreadsheet once as well Yeah, so here's an early one 2018 breeding notes, but I just like had the I just had the uh The clone name a few little short notes. I think this was probably the first time I was flowering this stuff I think this was a run from bio vortex. It was his like orange is the new banana I actually found out bio shout out bio vortex one of the few people from hso there Yeah, dude. He's a fucking really chill guy. I met up with him once. He's legit Yeah, he's a really good and just like like he's on it You know, I mean he takes his time with shit. You kind of have to know him to get his seeds You know what I mean? Yeah, that's kind of cool too though Yeah, I met up with him in person and he had this like cool chest You know what I mean like this bag and he's like pulling out all these baggies and shit I'm just like, oh shit. You're this is awesome. This is like visiting a seed bank in person Yeah, you know Not to be confused with hsc. Who has who has the best marketing campaign on earth What else have you got in here? I think that's it really Yeah, here's me like mapping out profits or potential profits We know dan's organized this fuck. How about you guys? Are you guys organized like this? This is insanity Um, honestly, dude, it's gotten to the point where I just throw plants and flower all the time that I don't know like I just keep a track of when I threw it into flower and that's about it I feel like everything I've grown I can reference it in my brain No, I know where you're writing, you know, like all of the dms and pictures on discord and stuff that those are Those are kind of notes as well. I guess they are. Yeah In some sense, I use mine a lot actually where I go back onto like ig and I'm like, oh, shit Yeah, I remember that now and Yeah, I had a pretty useful I'm at the point where I use monkey at zoo like is my strain index somehow he has He has a list of every single strain I've ever made from day one Like that he keeps but I have to reference that because I'm like some someone asked me somebody like Somehow, you know, so it's really cool that someone has that because I I don't have that in my brain I used to my brain isn't so good anymore though. Not a reliable tool anymore What about you thousand For notes, I think I yeah, I also tend to rely on ig when I first started growing the forums were we're good for that obviously you had your own like thread and You know, you could Obviously keep a lot of notes in there Yeah, and ig, you know, like dan was saying it's not bad But it's not easy to search like you don't have to manually scroll through everything Um to find what you want. So it's not ideal either Um Ideally, I don't know. I could probably use a spreadsheet if I wanted to I'm just I'm still not there Yeah, my memory is good for strains and what they were like It's pretty accurate for that My own strain names Less accurate like what I called something at certain points But I like if someone tells me the cross I can tell me exactly what it was like, you know Remember that much that strain names are harder. So when you're making seeds That's probably a good thing to keep a list of There was one for a long time. Um when uh Speak sleazy took over the website. They deleted all that. So that was kind of it unless someone finds a way to go back in time Shout out to him for the help with that I will say that when I first started growing one thing that helped me was actually recording mistakes That I was making in the earlier runs because then I'd be like, oh, that's right This thing happened last time and I I'll try not to do that again Um now most of that's internalized But yeah at some point I was tracking like fuck ups basically Yeah, I can't imagine you not keeping notes, bro. It's organized. Yeah Crazy, probably I'm super into archiving shit for sure But you are too met like you you do keep a lot of stuff too Maybe not notes, but you know, you're into archiving. Yeah Yeah, I keep collections of shit. Look at me. Yeah, look at what's behind that right now Um I'm watching to see if my my hasbulla Autograph on ebay goes for more than Down to six minutes and in 1500. It's not mine. I'm not selling it. I'm watching someone sell Yeah, I guess I'm the only old man that still does it uh iRL in the hand, you know But uh, I don't know I think it gets you back better back into the mindset you were when you were doing that stuff too You know what I mean because like instantly that took me back, you know six years. Oh, sure I was just like, oh, I know what I was thinking about, you know What I mean and the things that I thought were important and like what I know better now And so I think it's a really good like reflective tool too to see like how far you've come Hey, what do we got nice next okay So next we have a bunch we have a couple of questions from screwston Uh, I know dan has a lot of experience reversing plants local gaining it matt obviously, right? Um, could you Talk about some common mistakes Uh Outside of the typical trying to reverse a single plant Go ahead. Yeah, I'll catch up at the end. I feel like it's all of you. Maybe local you go first local Um, you know locals fresh, right? Yeah, I actually I just did my first one not too long ago So it's it's still pretty fresh Um, but the first piece of advice is don't uh reverse a big ass plant. That's what I did Yeah, um, and like my sweet pea by nature Fucking just grows insane Like an insane rates um, and then Two do more than one plant. Uh, you never want to put all your eggs in one basket Um, and then another thing would be timing You kind of gotta know um When it's gonna throw balls, you know, like I I didn't know about when it would and it just kind of did around two and a half weeks Is when I started seeing balls, but then they didn't really open till A few weeks after that So like the the timing thing is still a bit confusing to me um But it's all like trial and error. I feel like Yeah, I feel like it's like literally all mistakes until you do I don't know half a dozen or so and then you kind of get your bearings a little better um, but I agree with everything that loke said it's like um Timing is super important because if you spray too much, it doesn't go well If you spray too high a concentration, it doesn't go well If you spray too low a concentration and so like knowing what you're working with And kind of documenting that because I was dick to the wind when I started my reversal journey And someone just told me like yeah mix a few ounces of this liquid with a few ounces of this liquid And do it in this order and I had no idea the concentrations I was using and it did not work most of the time um, and it took me like Three years really because I wasn't buying commercial sprays to kind of like figure out where I actually wanted To be and like some stuff's easy to like I was doing some hemp work and cbd work And that shit reverses really really easily and and so you get this false sense of confidence that same thing with auto flowers I reversed autos after that and did some of that work and that shit is super easy You know what I mean at least the the lowrider stuff that I was working with was like just went every time and so um Then you get into doing multiple different types of clones and you start tripping over your dick and you're just like What the fuck happened? This has worked every single time that I did this. Why isn't it working now? And then you kind of realize like and that happens over and over again You're like, okay. Well, I don't like know what I'm doing at all actually And so for me it was once I started documenting concentrations blending different concentrations and like doing kind of just like basic trials like that where I was like Okay. Well, this is all almost always too much. You know, I mean this is damaging the plant. It's counter productive And I'm like the concentration and the frequency is too much and so yeah timing is really important concentrations important and then Knowing the plant that you have is also like obviously part of it because it's like If you don't know it's like general flower rate Then you're probably going to be thrown off like if it takes a long time to initiate flower for a normal female flowering It's probably going to take longer during the reversal too You know and you may be doing extra weeks of sprays that you don't do with an eight or nine week common cut, you know Um, but yeah, I'll toss in one more And this is the thing that I probably get asked even by pros like that have been reversing some seeds some feminized seeds Is is the most important thing is patience because like when like on my bottle it says wait 20 Four days 24 days until you see any sort of reversal going on And usually by 24th day you're like The fuck it's not gonna happen. And that's usually about the time it starts to happen when you start freaking out It's usually 24 days before you see any initiation any of the the common clone types out there that aren't hemp Um before you even see balls and then from there out. It's usually like two and a half weeks two weeks If it's going Yeah, number one thing it I want to say it took about four to five weeks to see any sacks like Wanting to open. Yeah Makes sense. Yeah, right. Yeah Yeah, and then like look was saying too numbers is big you want multiple small plants I'd say at least two if you're doing one variety Um, and then usually I'll do a second backup variety that I usually have some more confidence in or have like reversed before and kind of know its whole shtick and deal and so um Yeah, like you having a backup plan for if that reversal fails is pretty key because otherwise you're like Flowering stuff. You don't want flower from necessarily You've been feeding it differently. Like you're just kind of off at that point You're like, well, I mean they're gonna kill all these plants and start over But if you had that backup plan, then you're like, well, I'm still happy with this You know what I mean? I'm happy that I made this and I didn't waste my time and electrical in space and all that Um, I think also another thing too is like when you're flowering males You know, you kind of see a lot of the flowers open, you know at one time I I feel like in reversals. It's Very like, you know sporadic like a few open here there Um, but granted that's you know only with the the one plant I reversed which was sweepy. So Yeah, what the what the fuck do I know? Yeah, no, it tends to be correct. You don't see a lot of things open That sweepy looked real good though, man That was a good reversal Hey, maybe the next one man Yeah, yeah, hey, but sometimes you get it to perfectly reverse, but the pollen's just like not viable enough or whatever Yeah, like sometimes pollen drop doesn't mean shit. Yeah, exactly Or like if you're trying to do an s1 then Especially not, you know Like when I did that aj sour reversal like it barely made any seeds on itself It made like 20 but on everything else. It was perfectly fine You know what also is common is like Getting the plant to then take the pollen, right? So you see all the pistols die off all that stuff or whatever you call Stigma die off and yeah Then you see seeds forming and then they won't mature because of either plant health or whatever else I saw that even this last time with the the blueberry and cross some one of the plants is in lower health So the seeds started forming, but they just ended up in a lot of immature seeds So there is that too like it's not always guaranteed even if you seed it Have you guys fucked around with the uh throwing them back under veg light after like Oh, yeah, that yeah, it works pretty well for me. I actually make very healthy seeds Yeah, I didn't I was told like to expect a higher proportion of like malformed and white seed But like they all came out pretty good. It was a lighter color. Maybe it wasn't like Sometimes it could be gray modeled, but I did I've gotten some amazing seeds doing that like I did one round of um I don't the the fake Irene the first time the bonnet and then the second time I did that I did it with the revenge and made seeds with the same bonnet male And it made some of the most like healthy robust brown tiger stripe seeds I've ever seen And yeah being able to hold them side by side and look at them was pretty wild Well, I'm just freeing up flower space, you know what I mean like not spending all that time and having that Dedicated space for you know, eight to 12 weeks Yeah, that's just huge There is a follow-up question from screwston, which is um, I meant it for both of you. Um Any common threads that you see With plants that are difficult to reverse I would say not always No, because like like girl scout cookies reverses just fine And it's one of the most dense plants there is in my opinion Um, no not now anymore. I mean just Fibrids of it at the at the time the the girl scout cookies were super dense And I remember thinking when I went into that That some of the more dense plants or some of the ones I always had the hardest time with because the flower clusters And how the floral clusters set up for reversals. They would stack in so tight They wouldn't mature that one reverses really well. Um, same with bubble kush reverses really well and has very very dense flower stacking Um, I have found that a lot of the more loose airy types Like uh older what you would call traditional sativa dominant strains They tend to reverse really well, but again not always there's not There's no hard set fast rules yet Well, I've what I've noticed with all the ones that I've tried and failed to reverse multiple times Is they kind of fall into different categories depending on like what branch of the general family tree they lie on Like the aj the sour stuff. I feel like it's just self incompatible at some genetic level You know, so that's one type versus like the skittles just doesn't make pollen sacks and doesn't drop pollen You know and the pollen's super low like super low Not very viable like when you do and so it's just um, I feel like there's different reasons why things don't work out in reversals and um for like the really hard to reverse plants and like they I think it's just different genetic Like walls that you hit and so and those will probably lie similar with the families of the plants there and you know Yeah nice Anything else on reversals I guess here's another one that maybe some people it might be not common sense to some people But like there's no need to spray the leaves when you're doing reverse all the way, you know um But yeah, boy arm pits. Yeah, right. Hang them on pants Yeah, that's that's just like one thing. I've you know, again, just being like a newer person that that's what haze started Yeah, whatever young spray them on pits Yeah, well because the leaves they just end up getting super damaged up for a few sprays anyway, even if you lightly dose spray and so Like with the spray that i'm playing with like after the third spray like there's usually a decent amount of damage that you'll see on the plant and that's like the higher concentration and then the different additives and so um You know, it's just something to keep in mind that it's like the more of the plant you spray the more damage You're causing to it, which is going to have a stress response that may not work in your favor exactly nice Okay, and scruston's last question was more general um What plants are you guys excited most excited about currently and I guess that spring pie interpret that whatever way you You're free pie because you get to call it a coffee I'm keeping that name. Um I'll say interpret that whatever way you want whether it's like a plant that you're actually growing or Something that you are interested in working with. Yeah, any of any of those things Yeah, I'm excited to get into some uh electric boogaloo crosses That's definitely first up on the the list. I've got some Blueberry the blue bonnet f2s. Those are going in on the next one too um And then what else? I've got some more stuff from high and lonesome that I need to check out But I definitely want to get in on the mango hay stuff like I have to I've never flowered any like real Types of haze like that. I also need to hit up pico for some of the the night cap, wasn't it? Yeah, I think that was his the sandal woody one I really want to try that out too. And so um, that's like my next venture is like getting into real long flowering stuff That isn't just like sour or ken mango. He's just really good, dude. I agree that 2009 was my first growing mango haze and it was one of my first real experiences with haze After that, I had to pitch stuff, but they were very similar. There's some similarities between both I thought it was yeah, oh and i'm tossing that jesus og in again for flower Yeah, yeah, I mean get my tea lean on again. That was good, dude. It was amazing extracts. I thought Yeah, the flower is not quite as nuanced Like um, but the extracts are fucking amazing So I want to see if it'll dry sift too Because I feel like that would be really amazing, but I think it'll be a cool breeding tool I'm kind of interested in like a blueberry terpenaline combo. I think that would be really interesting Yeah, local Um Let's see I'm pretty fucking excited for like the dog shit like that or the electric boogaloo, whatever um It's it's probably one of my favorite plants You mean the clone itself, right? Yeah, like the clone itself. I got to smoke it once At the last party we had a bittersweet sd grew it super tasty weed Really great high You know the eb appy is always from h&l. I'm always excited on that shit Sweet pea as always I'm actually growing out the uh p91 s1 for the first time and that's really fucking exciting Yeah, because it's like you know, I've seen In the double digits of like sweet pea, you know, so it's it's Pretty fucking cool to see like the parental gen And The cut that I have doesn't smell exactly like the one that Itter used. Um, yeah But there was a cut that I really liked that smelled exactly like that His is definitely more like true to peanut smell. Yeah, uh mine It has it there, but it has like I guess like a soapy and sensey weird Thing I don't know. It's it's like super clean tasting. I don't know how to describe it Um And I haven't picked that smell up on his cut yet. Exactly Sorry, this is a bit of a random interjection But we're gonna talk to sub robb. Hopefully next week and um, I learned for the first time looking at some of the ic meg San Diego finest threads that uh p91 is is poe 91. I didn't know that Yeah, it's one of the stories for the poe class of 91 is where it goes from Um, as opposed to like any interstate or anything like that. It's it's supposed to be poe class of 91 But it's not it's just one of the stories that goes with it. It's okay. Yeah Gotcha. Yeah, I'm not confirmed for sure. Um, and then I'm also Have the pow way The sandy egg is right. Matt pow way. There you go. Pow way. Sorry my bad guys, you know, you know, I'm not from Scandinavia, so yeah Look at weird arctic circle people. Um, I was also gonna say that 56 day had banned Uh, og is also really fucking nice. Um That should look good. Yeah, I've you mean og kush. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, yeah Me it's sfv. Yeah. Okay. I think that's cool I think it's sfv like I think hip hill renamed sfv Yeah, and called it 56. That's a totally late turn that someone kept using on our show. It was stupid Yeah, okay. That's cool. Yeah, but yeah. No, regardless. It's it smells really dank, dude. I get a lot. Yeah It's damn good. What about Are you also you you shade a pic just just before uh band-aid haze destroyer? Um speaking of hazes Can we talk about that one now? Yeah I mean it was more so like a personal thing. What? Um, they don't talk to you some of the destroyer. Uh, no That was from another buddy. We can all talk about this and uh, yeah, I just don't yeah, I don't know how much. Yeah Okay, god, I mean like I haven't Secret you know, but whatever it's it's just for my personal collection Personal fondlings. Yeah. Yeah, I use the the long fans to tickle my butthole It does it a little better than the broad broadleaves Yeah, better come on my fishing trip, bro If if you get in trouble just throw me under the bus. Okay, uh, if uh, I mentioned my fault No, I mean I just It was Expected god damn it thousand Unrepairable Hey, I'm just here to like make content, you know. Yeah, right We're just youtubers, bro. Don't take us serious Yeah, but no sadly that's just For fun. Um, no thanks coming of it Don't even breathing hard yet. Yeah, don't don't even get your hopes up. Um Yeah, everyone just forget, you know, men and black the fucking memory thing. Yeah, just forget that we talked about this Edit edit edit Okay, okay, um man, I mean, you know after your massive outdoor grove, you know, are there any other Any exciting any plans that you're excited So I'm gonna be remaking bubbleberry this year here and but I'm gonna have to do better planning Um, obviously like the bug factors insane outdoors like looking insane. It's an ad valley So like we have white flies Rims up the wazoo like it's just so it's have the green aphids down there too Yeah, and we have we have everything you could imagine. It's an ad crop problem And the farmers all spray around here. So it gets kicked in every direction, you know Um, it's not their direction. So I I don't know if I'll be doing outdoor this year or moving back in door Finally, I just had I have so much stuff to move but I need to make more bubbleberry because it's finally gone almost gone um I don't know like I it's hard to to keep like Being excited about working blueberry because I know everybody's so sick of it But I haven't found the end of what I love like every time I like the blueberry incross is exactly what I wanted from the That's a completed Thing I feel like um, but Like they're some of the hybrids are really bad So I like want to go there But it's like I keep breeding for blue and all the hybrids, you know, so I don't know I it's it's hard to Keep doing that and keep a viable company going as I've learned but You know, it's it's what I'm excited about still I haven't I haven't moved off from the blue breeding just because I understand it so well And I guess the longer I work with it the better I understand it The more predictable the breeding becomes and the less I want to move away because I can predictably breathe That was the whole goal of everything from the beginning. I'll just say I don't think there's any shortage of excitement for blue stuff At least not in like these circles people are yeah, you know to hear about it Dude, it's been absent other than what blueberry muffins has been the only blueberry in the market. That's been a hallowed killer yeah And like I don't really like it like the muffin turps are like not Like it's it's cool. It's nice for the first time But like it's not the blueberry that I miss and like that I used to get as a teenager. Yeah, yeah It's uh, yeah, I prefer like the blueberry jam stuff that the bonnet throws Yeah, that's where I'm at with it. I don't know like there there was a few years there where there was a lot of down time And nobody was like crawling up my ass from like, uh blueberry. I've had that before Blah blah blah and it's like no not this one But like how many times have people heard that in cannabis? Not this one. It's just not, you know So it's taken years and years of enough people trying it for it to build its own Yeah, now we're there and now stuff's selling out You know, so it's like I gotta go back and remake it But the top by the point it's remade or people still gonna be interested. That's always how this game goes I think indo's right though. I think you need to do blueberry permanent marker I mean after someone just told me mac daddy's in-house. I just puked in my mouth Out house yeah, maybe I mean on this note, I do have a blueberry and cross girl that's just started flowering. So I'm excited about that. Nice. Yeah I'm excited to see how you like it Yeah Did you do a blue cookies? I did. Yeah, I've done like four or five four or five. Yeah. No, but I mean on the No, so the very first blue cookies cut came out of our What was it? It was uh, uh, original diesel bx1 cross to Cookie berry, which was the form cut riot berry. And that's what that blue cookies cut that midnight farms had So that was from the like not the original but the first cross of the original and it wasn't as blueberry as I wanted It wouldn't have been my selection for it. It's the one that went around Um, yeah, I did a lot of cookie berries Oh gkb It's like the most preferred cut of the mung of all time. I'm not like that Yeah, every time I've ever been with a group of mung people like they're like trying to get me to grow blue cookies Or they like have blue cookies. They want to show you and like I've seen some really Yeah, I've actually seen some really nice ones and like I remember some kid gave me like eight bag seeds of a blue Cookie that was really good that I got to see the weed of and it came in like a little marburo cellophane Yeah, but they didn't pop and so I was pissed because that was really good weed Yeah, it's strong. It's just it's not blueberry like I would have wanted like that's not like an ogkb blueberry blue bonnet Or blueberry ix would be really nice The ogkb we did that one and then I think I have some of those we did a back cross to ogkb with ogkb Cross to dan has some dan. We definitely have some. Yeah, whatever you whatever you made. Yeah, I think you sent me some Yeah, but oh, yeah, screw's doing just saying. Um, yeah, sure There you go. It's christen's growing some Oh, okay. They're gorgeous and like I said the ogkb bx one was awesome But it was so blue dominant still which was when I really that was really on so I was still really learning Like how dominant blue bonnet bread at that point. Um, so it's not a true what I would call a bx one like there's no good Perfect ogkb representation sands blue and there's a lot of variant now, but it does exist It's nice Nice um, okay What's next uh from pascal's law. Okay. Yeah, that's right. This is like, uh Very philosophical political question. What are your biggest hopes for the future of cannabis and what are your worst fears? I think we've realized some of my worst fears already and I think yeah, I don't think it's really going to get better anytime soon, but Um Let me start this off. Yeah, I want to be real basic here and just say Uh, it would be nice to have full decriminalization uh Obviously like no regulation. Um Let the corporate know that's what drives prices that bro So I mean to me that's an obvious answer So yeah, like true decriminalization because there's been a lot of studies that have shown that like in certain minority youth categories that uh arrests are up under legalization In places like la and um, they're still getting like every day in the news here people are getting popped Where i'm from. Yeah, and so like it's not really true You know, and so I think a lot of people are like, yeah, it sucks now But at least nobody's going to prison for the shit I'm like, well, you still do if you are like the wrong color skin and you have more than enough Right, you know, and so Like it's uh, do you guys know about germany's uh news? I know that they are doing something I can't remember if it's like a full Someone told me they're doing right They have some weird rec setup that they're doing. I think I think it's actually pretty good. But again, yeah someone maybe someone in the chat knows Oh, I just have no trust anymore. That's just my Yeah, it's just that's where I'm at like any kind of any kind of country attached to the united states and any Any type of way is gonna go our our route with the legalization Like whether it's australia, whether you know what I mean, like any place remotely attached to The un even probably will have have issues like we did where it's just corporatocracy Um, my hope's for future Okay, so phish from said it's legal now. Yeah, and we know it's quote-unquote legal We're just trying to figure out like what that actually means. Yeah. Um, he says four plants each. So there's still restrictions Yeah, see that's not legal to me. That's not legal Yeah, I remember for me to hold clones like I can't remember It's it's four plants and I remember that the person was talking about it It was a four plants of which you can only yield x amount and it was such a low amount that it was it didn't make sense for even four plants yield Like like four ounces over the total of four plants something. Okay, so Yeah, phish farm. No, so what we're talking about is like having no restrictions like like treated like a tomato pot Yeah, like legal legal not not Yeah At the same time, I don't know I don't want to rain on germany's parade like it's still something I guess But like even in a regulated system You could have something that's like a farmer's market that kind of replicates our pop-up shows And like has a structure behind it and licensing and fees that go to the state and taxes collected They just know that it would usurp their system because they can't provide that level of quality You know what I mean? Like right now if you go and meet up with a bunch of these guys running big companies They I think that they are so delusional. They've convinced themselves that this shit's not mids You know, oh, yeah, they see what's on the landscape and they see all these other rich kids growing shitty weed And they're just like, oh, well, I'm actually crushing it. Mine's better than theirs. I have the right yield more than them So this is top shelf, you know what I mean? And I'm like well if the market's baseline is shit then like your weeds one step above shit Like none of us are getting good weed and exactly screw their taxes and regulation like I'm back to like fully just like cowboy Like just like I don't give a fuck anymore. Like I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do and like Come and fucking get me. You know what I mean? Like it's just like Even put my face out here and shit. It's just like, oh, well like Are you serious? Like, you know, like how much shit I could say about the shit that I like Happens legally every day in this state, right? You know what I mean? That you guys willfully overlook because you're getting paid You know what I mean? The department of cannabis control Everything that california has going on is an absolute joke and that's what the rest of the company country is emulating And so and imitating and so it's just like to me It's just a Until I can show up with my fucking pickup truck with a couple pounds of weed With their fucking state stamp on it and shit and I can pitch it to you Man to man, you know, and a man man to woman whatever in fucking a farmer's market Then like I can actually sell you that weed and convince you that it's like this is why it costs more And this is why it's better, but they've completely taken that out of the way You know what I mean? That's not even possible. And so to me, that's like willful Deception to the larger market that doesn't know better In part by the state and lobbyists that do know better that represent these companies, you know and so It's just big business corporate america in a nutshell and so I don't really have much optimism But we can still do our own thing You know what I mean? Yeah Like small collectives of people that are just friends that grow weed together like exactly like the discord community is like That's what we need more of Because then you don't have to go and buy weed from the fucking shop and get charged through the ass on taxes and like Get kind of shitty weed a very limited scope. It's almost like a union and sorts are collective. Yeah, you know No, it's like this is our rights and everything. I mean, that's that's what it is about People getting together and not being fucking completely greedy bastards You know, that's that's the hardest part with humans because it's like when when When bad humans see good things happening with between a group of people where everything is all equal It looks like something they can prey on And that's like always the first to wreck it and that's the hardest part is just knowing how to you know Just let the threats in Well, I've met a lot of these rich dudes and like they tie I don't even know if morality is a question what they do. It's like the moral thing to do is whichever thing makes the most money for them Yeah, you know what I mean? That's almost what it seems like to me, but um But like seriously like it's uh anytime you get people That's That are basically middlemen financial middlemen trying to squeeze dollars out of something else that someone else is producing and And like because you know what I mean? Like we go out there the idea is that like you go and you work you make production You get paid for said production But there's so many people in our economy That are just ringing a few pennies out of every little thing that someone else is doing And if you get enough of that you can make a fucking ton of money And that's when you start making shitty decisions where it's like I talk about this all the time My wife hates fucking hearing about it, but I'm always talking about how like a business nowadays like a corporation's Um obligation is to the shareholders not to the actual customer anymore And that's why we keep getting things where it's like well Why is the quality of like every experience in retail and fast food and everything else going down? And it's like because someone else is ringing dollars out of it and someone else is having to make up that gap By like over out like giving people too many hours like it all ties together You know what I mean? It's our economic model that's broken. Hold on. I gotta show this one I remember this guy came in last time He's not old enough Unfortunately Maybe he is yeah, but yeah, you never know If anything Denali's my fucking dad, so he was in the right place at the right time that made that happen I want Denali to be my dad as well I'll adopt him Yeah, he's a good dad. He's a good daddy local. Uh, what's your philosophy? Local, what's your take on the political situation right now? Um, I don't know dude. I'm like the last person to ask about the politics um But I don't know. I just don't want to get in trouble for growing plants, you know, that's that's really it, you know Yeah On the less political side. No, fuck the man Stay with me now. Um, fuck the man Um But on the less political side, I think uh Like for me, it's kind of saying where like the culture is gonna go because like I don't know I believe that a lot of people my age are just like Lost causes dude. Yeah So, yeah, just kind of curious to see where it's gonna go Yeah, no, fuck the man. Yeah, I agree. Yeah Fuck the man No, I don't know. I just it's hard to find anything optimistic to say about it, you know at this point We haven't seen really any upswings in anything positive in my opinion for cannabis Um, the events that we used to have were amazing not even say amazing They were cool like an old emerald cup and stuff like that where it's at now versus even five years ago It's a hot shit mess. Um, no disrespect to the emerald cup people It's just the it's a lot of people can't participate anymore that were the driving force behind it. And that's why it's lost popularity um Shit, I mean Laws period price of cannabis Um us being able to support our family doing what we've always done like all of it's changed None for the better quality So I it's What positive is there to say more people smoking but who gives a fuck like quality over quantity You know what I mean like quality people over quantity of people is the real thing Um, I don't know and and it's lost the sense of community in many ways in that respect I mean not everybody listens to the grateful dead granted, you know, but There was some sort of community there and I I feel like that's just all over the place I do have to say that more and more Random people that just casually smoke weed have been hitting me up for seeds and clones and stuff And I've been going out of my way to like literally any person that's just an acquaintance in my day-to-day life If they're like, hey, man, I heard you'll really like weed, you know, it's like I'll give them like fucking hundred seeds I've like, you know a couple different things like 10 seeds or like 10 different things or something like that And just like try and spark that interest because I'm like, yeah, you can just do this for yourself He's gonna get hit so hard now after this I Rl Come meet me come meet me in real life and then we'll talk But I've been I don't know whenever I have like less like I'm always like trying to do too many things at once But like I would love to have like a thing or once a month We all met up at some dude's ranch or some shit and just got high and fucking drink a few beers and talk about Weed and shit. I would love to have that in my community. I just don't have the time in my life to like structure I'm like trying to like be self-employed and like fucking do all a million different things at once, you know, and so You know, but anyway, like maybe at one point, you know more people need to do that kind of stuff because it's cool man It's nice to like actually hang out with people that Like have like interest because weed and being a weed nerd is kind of like it's a bubble in a bubble You know what I mean? Nishin and Nishin and Nishin it's like a burrito full of burritos, bro Yeah, like people don't get it when they're like, oh, so you really like weed and I'm just like, yeah, let's not talk about it The waters are too deep for a casual first conversation I mean, I think I'll just echo what lots of people have said. My hope is that it's just Currently a very immature. It's at a very immature stage and like the you know, like beer it will get you know to a better place That's probably as optimistic a spin as I can put on it right now Yeah, the weed swapped me. Fuck. Yeah Right, so one of the things that um pascal's law, I always thought it was pascal's law I don't know why but pascal's law always makes me I think it's a I think it's a play on both. Yeah, okay okay, well One of the things that I noticed he asked in this other one it says for future viral threats and that wasn't even a part of the The process in my brain right now as we were talking about the future cannabis But yeah, that's a major fucking issue right local like this is a real thing. Uh, yeah, it's a real thing Passing aids it's yeah, it's like the scd of Of the weed world Yeah HLV really does show up places people don't understand. It does and like trading. It's abundant. It's I mean, it's yeah It's one of the costs you pay Sometimes shit doesn't even look sick. Do you like you wouldn't even know every area exactly? Yeah, and then other things you're like Yeah, that's 1000 sick. Like I can visually identify something's wrong, but I don't know. It's just like you know You got to like understand How it transmits So like, you know exchanging a runoff, you know, like, you know, you want to have everybody on like a riser or something Or on their each individual Saucer so that the the runoff doesn't touch the bottom of another plant because that's how it'll contract it You don't want them to exchange fluids You know xylem flow them. Yeah, that that too But yeah, it's just like I mean yeah, every every little step kind of counts like If you know say you've you forgot to bleach a pair of scissors and you didn't realize it, you know, like You may have infected something you may have not That and I think the most important thing to nail home is that some plants like we're noticing like They may not look sick at all So visually it's not something you can necessarily detect visually a lot of them can carry it and don't necessarily show any of the disease But if you have those in your garden, they can infect other plants that really show the disease real fast So it really is about Either being super clean only popping from seed not taking in clone onlys and playing that game We're constantly being able to have access to testing Yeah, no shared root zones between varieties either That's a huge. Yeah, it's like even fucking cloning trays and like I don't know dude it like once you run into a scare it's just like Never ending. Yeah, exactly exactly like every last thing for over a course of a week So Yeah, and I mean I I work with it, you know, so I kind of see how it spreads to so it's just like Once you kind of see it you just You would rather want to stay like on top like be precautious, you know Rather than like oh shit, you know, my plants are Sick maybe I should put them on their own saucers. So yeah, it's a really really good point for not using arocloners too Like if you're doing collecting don't use arocloners. Oh, man, that's that for the disease Yep, you can fuck your entire collection like that, dude Super fast. I wish I still had mine. I used to have a couple 128 cell ones and I have some I want a flower Yeah, go. Yeah, dude. I have one you can come pick up bro. It is ready to rock Fuck yeah, dude. Oh We still gotta go to the underground garden down by you. I sent you that shit, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you did That shit looks crazy. That does We got a lot to do Yeah, um, and then I guess another thing to add, uh, but they probably covered this on the tumi Uh podcast is uh leaves and roots can show very different results. Uh, that's right. Yeah So you get a test of that. Yep Yeah Parts of the plant being tested, but again nail it home There are carriers that don't necessarily show it. So don't assume that you can see it Like plants can stay very healthy looking that are less susceptible to the virus But still carry it and transfer it to other ones that don't Don't assume any of it I'm laughing at comments Yeah, someone remembers back in the day Back in the day in 2017 Yeah, we were talking about sending back that it's it's been around for a while It just took a long time for us to understand what that truly means. Yeah, and um I'll also add like I've lurked on clone trading discords and like I can guarantee you those fucking gardens aren't as clean as some people I do like I see some pictures and I'm like I'd be damned, you know Like what the fuck? Um, you know, I'm not a big advocate advocate for clone cells. Yeah People they don't understand what they have in their room and that's abundant as fuck I get messages from people all day. Hey, I heard this clone for sale. Is this a good price for it? And I just smack my head like don't even get it. Yeah, dude I just can't get over how many of these people use the the phrase breeders cut. That's when I know you're full of shit Yeah You've got every breeder selected cut of every single one of these varieties exactly cup winning breeders cut Oh, I met so and so and it's like how can you prove that? Yeah, how can you prove that you got a correct from this person? They're like, well, I know him and I'm just like like Cool Okay, um, we have a few questions from dubie. I assume that's how you say it right that it's not that's the point of his name Right dubie. Anyway, um Taking care of and feeding long flowering plants Uh, let's say 12 weeks and longer Local you want to go? I know you've heard of you Um, I mean it's the same process. It is. Yeah. I mean you're kind of just elongating to feed, you know like say Because most schedules are designed for like nine week crops. So it's like You're not going to feed a 14 week plant in a nine week period um But yeah, I mean I kind of just keep them fed because they go longer. They'll get hungrier whatever But yeah any specifics, I mean Don't go maybe do you want to help do the that translation? So for a nine week feed, what are the you know, they're like a few segments, right? How would that translate to like a 40 beginning flowering mid flower and flower? Yeah, it just you just elongate each set. Yeah, it's if it's a 12 week plant versus a nine week plant Each set gets like one Well, I'm like a lot of the feed like if you follow like a bottle recipe that's like, you know Like if you're running canna They say like oh if you have longer flowering plants like repeat weeks like three to four It has as many times as you need to like then and then once you get to like, you know I don't know like seven or eight. Well, yeah, I would call final smelling like Growers we should all know what final swelling is the final swell Yeah Yeah But with also with longer flowering plants, like they don't necessarily like nitrogen is heavy You don't need to feed as heavy with them. You don't need to water as much necessarily with narrow leaf dominant plants There's little tricks like that that you'll learn over time, but generally speaking It's just the longer stretched out of the same thing I do want to say that that reminded me as like a little distracted at first that dude Name was doobie the first guy that I saw growing indoor. His name was doobie. He passed away recently. So Uh, r.i.p. Doobie r.i.p. Doobie Just to clarify not the same person who asked the question obviously not No, it was my homie. It was my homie's dad. He passed away too young. So, um, anyway Rest in peace. Yeah Yeah, not to this Stop sweet Well done, dude. Well done. Was that a salmon thing in the middle? Fuck. Yeah Uh, okay, follow up from doobie Experiences changing growing styles Uh during your growing career anything from minor tweaks to major Major like style change, I guess I've done everything and it all works Yeah, I've done everything and it all works except for me. I didn't ever get um, the fuck is it called deep water culture like Rdwc recirculation. I could never do it right. I never nailed that I don't know if it's because I didn't have a perfect chiller Whatever it is, but I never had a chiller probably why it didn't work. I tried it a few times But I think you need a major chiller to make it work. But I don't know I couldn't do it My friend was working on a farm in Oklahoma that had like a whole greenhouse of that shit And I was like that's too much Yeah, like to maintain that it just looked like a nightmare Yeah, I was like I'd rather have just like 20 gallon pots of soil or like a million one gallon plants Yeah on table if I had my say if I had my say in my space perfect Your druthers renting at the time my druthers. I would run tables non-stop tables cocoa tables Oh, yeah, I agree Just because like and and have it just be you know flood and drain flood and drain flood and drain nice and easy I want to do that with these blue dream s ones after I get the initial Oh, I know for a fact the clone does and so yeah three inch pots of that shit just like single spears That um dude that waking life in like a one gallon pot absolutely like fucking Slay dude Yeah I can only imagine in like rock wool or some shit smaller pot single cola I'm gonna be meamed into out of existence Did you see the one he posted after the last episode I did Yeah, like he posted it for like a second deleted it and it was me over like some shirtless model He didn't get you in some tom of finland pics with like a mustache and like Naked I want to reframe that question Have any of you had to change styles out of necessity like out of some kind of like Situational speaking of speaking of renting like I started off He's doing tables and I quickly found like when I got a 24 hour notice tables fucking suck for that like because all of a sudden you're having to take plants out of a System of feed that they can't be dry like that all the time because they're used to constantly having a flooding system um I moved them all to single pots and that's when I realized I have to do Uh hand feed drained waste after that point because it just wasn't gonna work any other way like renting kind of necessitated that change Haven't people come into your growth having to hide your growth necessitated necessitated that change So, you know, that's one thing to think of if you're renting don't necessarily jump into tables because it's a really risky situation at that point Harder to take down Keep them small if you do get some two by fours Yeah, they fit in the Subaru and in a black trash bag, you know, yeah Like pots pots you can fit about 90 of the three gallon into a small u-haul if you really stack it hard Yeah, I mean that was my main thing for me I just bought my first house and so my style changed a lot once I actually like owned a house So I like my setup's different now because I like framed out a little flower room and I'm going to frame a little bedroom to I'm cloning space And so um now I can be a lot more permanent But like the mobile setup, which I feel like a lot of people are stuck with for me. It's like yeah two by fours small tents Uh grow Dan because you bring him bags of soil into your apartment. I don't how the fuck you do that You know, I used to do it into a big apartment complex. It wasn't easy. It just always I Can people see that shit My landlord was literally So he was floor level with the street level And I had to park right in front of his window and bring it downstairs right under him And I lived under my landlord and grew above him To the left of him behind him Cross from him and below him And I was went to all the different names Yeah, it was it was not fun and then just posing of all that That's what I mean is getting rid of it Like the grow Dan makes it easy because you're just taking the trash out, you know Yeah, yeah, I mean that's kind of what I do, you know, the bottles all the plastic bottles all the fucking shit hiding all that shit It was a nightmare I have so many like canna jugs that I not like, you know, like used ones Yeah, yeah, yeah, because like I'm not just gonna throw shit away in residence, you know Homeless people are gonna fucking go. Oh, they'll dig it out and then like yeah, leave it outside the can and right That's when you go use someone you don't likes can Exactly. Yeah, I did I did a lot of that and uh, yeah, whatever luck We all know you're just staying up late gaming and you're pissing in those canna jugs The whole tub is just filled with piss jugs of canna Not your gin man Not your gin formula Yeah, I know I've changed especially with clone when it came to cloning I've tried every single cloning technique from aero cloner to, you know, domes to god bubble cloners All kinds of different things. Um And I always end up going back to domes. I always end up going back to domes I like soil man, like I tried doing the cocoa thing for the small scale indoor and I didn't get bad results, but I was just kind of always mad at it You know what I mean and it I felt like it was harder to dial in certain plants and then like I just went back to pro mix and like small amendments to it like dry amendments and Like fucking great. Love it And then I blended all that cocoa into so it's kind of like a king's mix Yeah, nice. Yeah, so I guess it's all hybrid of all now, but Good shit Yeah, good shit This was an interesting I've never really thought or heard of something like this before have you guys I could see it maybe stressing it out and showing a herm trait that may have already been there You know because gg4 is super hermy Yeah, it could be um I mean, oh, if it's a seed plant doesn't it still have still have some Chem D's kind of hermy too. You know, yeah, it's not like the worst way possible So this could be a stress thing as well. Is that what you think? Sorry. Yeah, it's super stressful to graft a plant Like most of them die until you get really dialed in like when I was watching people do it And like got to do a few trays all of mine died on my first few attempts You know and then like one dude just had the touch and so like he was grafting all kinds of shit Yeah, I had a friend who could do that. I I wasn't very good at grafting Well, what we noticed was the rootstock is very important And you'll find a plant that's very a very compatible rootstock compared to everything else And it's not always what you think it was like to me. I was blown away I was like that piece of shit plant is like the best rootstock we have like I guess it actually has a use in my mind now because like I don't know what the fuck we even flower So hold on what in what context were you grafting to begin with like we try and do like the apple thing Like the apple tree thing No, we were trying to like see if we could improve vigor on hard to grow plants with shitty root systems And like just low vigor in general. So it was like z stuff og stuff And put it on a more vigorous rootstock to see if it helped it grow better And it what it what we realized is that it kind of relieved viral symptoms If you had a cut that was just dud it out It's the only copy you have access to and you still wanted to use it You could get it like out of the full dud zone to where it'll flower normally Make some seeds and move on that way you can trash the cut And so I did that with like the the hindu skittles That's where those came from Because you know they it's a thing with like obviously like agricultural crops, right? Yeah, he also breed for rootstocks I think it'd be cool be for plant counts, too You know, so one should start a company doing that and be like, hey, you got three varieties Just grow one massive outdoor and you'll stay under your plant count, you know, whatever You'll get three varieties some shit like that. Yeah, I've seen those kind of like hydra You know, there's like on the forum Some guy does some really cooked like hydra project with like five different strains on one One plant kind of thing. Yeah, but who gives a fuck about plant counts anyway, man You're already growing dope like All the way, man For real like just do it like just be nice to your neighbors and they won't rat you out exactly That's why I'm glad I'm moving I got this dick next door is like fucking definitely ratted me out to my landlord Why I had to like rip my shit apart mid-summer last year Just like fuck you dude because I have six outdoor plants like I don't even it wasn't even six. It's five Yeah, I have I have a neighbor like that right now who's like he worked for the county is like a I don't know like a Taxperson or something and he's always looking over my fence constantly. So I have to move that's cool. This guy got two different Two different graphs to work out Graft onto Steve Murphy's purist Yeah, yeah, because we had really high failure rates depending on what the root stock was so that's cool It's like not, you know, not going to be the same for everyone, you know, that's right. That's right peaches Like count d's nuts. Yeah, look out for d's nuts genetics and d's remodels And Yeah, Caleb takes his webshop cannot add seeds to the back. I'll tell I'll let him know it's so Let me Try a different browser too We had the same web person at some point and I agree it needs to be totally redone. I Yeah, I'll both of our sites need to be totally redone I'm capable of it. I just have so much other shit to do. Yeah, I'll tell I'll let him know if they're not working Yeah, definitely try a different browser if you haven't Yeah, I can be a big issue with uh, kind of archaic old websites They can be very browser specific if you don't Here's a good question for everyone. Here's a good question for everyone You guys all go ahead. What was the first strain that smoked that got you hooked blueberry excluded? Are you guys? bumper criss one Oh, yeah, it's a good one. Blue cheese. Blue cheese. Yeah local God damn God damn god damn blueberry exclusive Um, blue cheese I'd say uh Probably some of the first good weed was from bidders like that I've had and your own was from bidders sweet pea for sure My first was a purple train wreck purple oracle train wreck I had some like purple pineapple train wreck and humble at one time It was a hbrc and it was all seeded and it was really good But that was actually one of the first seed runs that I like grew plants out of there's just bag seed From there was a killer killer purple train wreck cut in san diego It's supposed to be it's supposed to be purple oracle train wreck And I usually don't like purple oracle anything but I really like train wreck So I kind of leveled it out to where it was no anxiety, but just really stony That was the first time I wasn't getting like weird anxiety from I really like that one quite a bit. It showed me that I could like that kind of shit Oh, yeah, yeah, I do the whole dude next door probably smokes. Nope. I smell that shit. It smells. Nope Yeah, we call this soft power soft power Soft power? Like that Yeah, my neighbor's an old single lonely dude who likes to fuck with my lawn and take my garbage No jerking him off, bro No, he's not hot enough, dude It's not? Oh, he's not your type. He's not your type, then you can't do it Yeah, but no this dude like fucks with my garbage cans and like loads up all my shit and like if I like I don't know He just pisses me off so much And he'll like run my sprinklers and I'm like, I don't give a fuck about lawns. I'm like lawns like Yeah, I'm like, dude, like I don't care about the lawn. It's like less It's like a hundred square feet in front of my house and like I run through sprinklers Oh, yeah, bro And like he leaves notes like on my car like, oh, you need to run this 30 minutes a day four days a week during the Summer And I wanted to leave a note on his car that just said fuck you Is it a home or an association there or something? Fuck no, dude. We're in the city So he's just an asshole This is an old ass neighborhood with just this douchey old dude who has the nicest house on the block God, I hate those people Yeah, he's just a fucking dick We're in about the fucking lawn He might be watching that show right now, dude I'm gonna turn that shit into a tomato farm He's not, dude. He's so fucking lame Fuck you, Gary Fucking Karen What a fucking dude, man. I'm so glad I'm moving this weekend Yeah, fuck yeah All right, we are kind of We're at the end of the questions But I wanted to ask Dan about something because we probably will do a whole episode on this But like a couple of weeks ago you you were really wanting to rant about uh polyploids Oh, yeah, yeah Do you want to give us like a little like uh some context for that? Well, it's all the rage right now like HSC just released like a fucking hour long video on it like two weeks ago. I couldn't even get through it. Yeah, I was like I'll love the HSC Yeah, right Unfortunately, why I'm wearing this flannel is because I have one of their old shirts on that I paint in And I was like I'm covering this shit up, man Polypoids are great Man, they're whatever. They're running a business. You know, it's just a shenanigan another shenanigan to chase for people that aren't Yeah, well the whole thing that people are chasing is seedless, right? I'm like, I've read all these papers and like you don't get seedless. You just don't get fully formed seeds Yeah, and maybe it's less but you get little white seeds you get pods man On a lot of it. Those are the worst I doubt a lot of them's ability to truly make them and test for them because I don't know like they at least hired a Real geneticist, you know what I mean? They had him talking that video and shit I'm like, I haven't looked into the guy at all. He may be bullshit, but like I don't fucking know him So we've read we've didn't we just read a paper on polyploids the other day that just kind of fucking blew most of it out of the water Well, the only the only attribute that I can say for sure That might be beneficial is for mass scale outdoor seedless You know what I mean? So you're not worried about hemp farms and herms and stuff, you know what I mean? But guess what like you're I don't know like I guess like it doesn't even protect you if the crop itself herms You know what I mean three sets of chromosomes on a triploid plant like I'm They can line up with another triploid item. Yeah, I would imagine they can't Yeah, you know and like There's also people doing tetraploid work and I'm like well tetraploid. You'll just make Mix of ploids and other polyploid. Yeah Tetraploid I believe can breed with diploid because you're still gonna have an even amount of chromosomes. Well, yeah Yeah Triploid can't Make yeah, yeah But that doesn't mean that there's no seed that forms at all Exactly and so I think it's dubious that claim in a nutshell. I haven't really fucked with it in person So we'll just leave it at that But like the other things more in the hemp market that I've seen Um, and I won't name names there. They know who they are, but they're, um Have all these things about increased vigor and at least in cvd plants There was a significantly different increase in cvd production, but that wasn't true for the thc plants they tested There you go and so You get a slightly bigger plant, but even when uh They were looking at the yields the flower yields weren't increased the biomass yields were Everything's all about biomass or these corporate assholes. That's what I mean. Yeah And so like if you're not increasing thc and you're not increasing Bud yield then like I don't really see what the point is because all you're doing is enabling people to grow more Booth and crash the market out at a bigger scale because like Biomass at least like the way I understood it like, you know, like when we're doing like lab studies and shit It's like the entire weight of the plant like yeah, that's them Yeah, anything you pull out of the ground that gets put into that fucking bail And so um to me it just seems fruitless. Maybe I'm wrong But like, um, nobody's actually doing interesting breeding In the larger market anyway So like why would adding a new technique to a bottleneck genetic pool like really change anything exactly It's just a new It's a marketing. Yeah, exactly. It's a marketing buzzword. Yeah It's just gonna be I don't think anything's really gonna come of it. Just like we haven't really seen anything come up of tc mainstream You know, yeah We've read the we've read the paper benjamin. That's what that's the paper. I was referencing Um, yeah, biomass increase What the fucking do you know? Yeah biomass is not important to me. You know, it's not something I breed for I turn into tinctures and you know, I mean like hash Like it's for me to consume and so biomass isn't really that useful to me I'd like this question This is a good idea. Here you go. Did eagle 20 give a certain flavor? I don't I don't know. Uh, maybe I'm Dude, I'll tell you what before I was educated. I sprayed a lot of spectra side Yeah, I just had a me knock. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah a lot of that like the guy that taught me how to do clones I sprayed every single clone tray with that shit and I learned on fight on 27 The fight on 27 and spectra side mixed together turns black and we would call that black death and then spray that Oh, it was it was bad and I would do it with a mask. Like I'm probably like a cancer as we speak from it Yeah, people laugh at me at work because I'm like super serious about wearing a respirator when there's just dust in the air even You know what I mean? I'm like, I'm not breathing that shit in man. You know how much fucking immunox I breathe then Yeah, like even me Oh, yeah Yeah, I just don't I don't I just don't use like n 95s and dirt You know dust masks anymore because guess what you pull it off at the end of the day of working And the whole inside of the mask is covered in dirt dirt. Yeah So I have like actually I wear a respirator now. The painter's respirator. Yeah with that with the cans on the side Yeah, I was I wear it for when I used it when I used it And I don't I didn't start using that until way later Fun fact is the the pink cartridge. It's like a pink magenta. It's not like hot pink There's like a hot pink and then there's like a magenta. There's like three tiers of them Yeah, but you want to get like that really dark pink for pesticide application that's what I've been waiting for it I got hot pink. Yeah. I think that's just like the dust and fumes one. Yeah, I don't know. Probably the cheapest one But yeah, um, but it'll say on it. They cut they I think they do call it a tear on there. I can't remember It should be yeah Okay Oh Where are we at? Yeah, so we don't really have Uh any questions left? um Anything else that we wanted to talk about He's nuts Every time Um, oh by the way when I was having that brain fire earlier when you're talking about the drops I meant that there might be another blue drop coming another blueberry You know another bonnet drop, right? I don't know. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I guess there is I'm like, oh Yeah, yeah, I mean I guess yeah Well, no, I see it within we were talking about high and lonesome stuff. So it's probably confusing. Yeah. Yeah The timeline on it. I'm not sure. Um There is more blue blue bonnet. I guess yeah blue bonnet stuff being made specifically blue bonnet Or is it blue? No blue. I blue and cross not blue bonnet More blue and cross stuff being made We'll see how it goes Oh, screw stone says what to look forward to in this season. Well, I don't know we we There are things there. There might be one very big and exciting thing But I don't know if I don't think we can talk about that yet We're gonna be doing more with the can of cabana guys too. There's a few more of the dudes we want to have on Some really important ones. Yeah sub rob too. Sub rob stoke for sub rob. I love sub rob Sub rob like if for the you the you the don't familiar with him We have his seeds on our site under sea trip Sub rob was one of the dudes that helped run santiago's finest on ice. It's probably one of the most respected members him shan cron There are a few others those are the ones that i'm closest with It was just such an influential part of the clone only trading scene during the forum eras of like 07 to 2011 Almost everything ran through santiago's finest and it was one of the I think longest running Most pages so far. So I think they completely went over page 500 and had to go to a whole new Yeah Yeah, there's so many And uh, yeah, I mean he was he was the boss of it. He was fucking cool and he's just very very down to earth transparent Um, we've always gotten along politically and everything. So I'm stoked to have him all on But he's also very knowledgeable and very very humble with his knowledge. So stoked on that one Yeah, the the kana cabana guys I'm sure there's a lot more we have lined up that we need to go back and touch on There's gonna be some good stuff this this season Yeah, and I mean just to give some insight into our process We're we're really more than a couple of weeks ahead. Like we're not that professional yet Um, so it's not like we're the whole season map. It's usually me fucking it up Or we would be no, that's not true. Yeah, I don't know. Well, we'll see we'll see where it goes Yeah, I mean that's what for me really in terms of like talking points today Yeah, um, I guess, uh So, yeah, we have the blueberry and cross drop Go get your bukkaki. I'm gonna be putting it on the site probably this weekend Like I said, I'm ahead of schedule on getting the bean shoved and all that Except I'm waiting for a printer to print the labels But after that they're going out. Hopefully amazon will speed their ass up um But that the blueberry in cross is up for order right now under pre-order is probably going to go up in price They get made and packaged and sent the first round I want everybody who's who gets in on the early drop to have some advantage If you're part of our patreon discord you get 30 off that price too And that only costs five dollars a month. So five dollars a month you could get 30 dollars off or 40. I don't remember how much it is, but it's a lot off um, we also have The goat farm drop that I need to get up to and package same situation Um, but you can also get 30 off on those If you're a part of our patreon discord, so check that out. We always you know shoot the shit on there It's it's a lot of fun make friends make loved ones permanent loved ones in your life I don't know. I I it's like a nice family there, you know, sometimes we have to whack them all but it's not too bad Um, and then high lonesome mango haze drops coming up seem to keep your eyes peeled for that. So stoked, man Yeah, that's it. Some of those photos look just absolutely amazing. Like I had to save a few or I was just like, fuck I just want to look at that For the wank thank Yeah Like it's just really good. It was just unique too and just like different and the resin on it. I was just like incredible I can't wait to smoke some I guess uh, other than that I guess this is I mean, I don't know if we get this is gonna be the end of season 10 at the start of season 11 I think they already did the I don't know. I think I already like Committed to this being the first episode season 11. Yeah, that makes sense Season 11 episode one mother fuckers Um, oh, and we have the the raffle sometimes in our, um Do the raffles were fun super dope. Yeah, and I just they were pretty fun The one thing I don't want to do is like make gambling addicts I'm always concerned with that because like, you know, like in a group based on weed There come a background of a lot of addictions and addictive personalities. So like That would be horrible to trick or something like that. So I'm trying to be very cautious about it But at the same time it's a good way to get we need to keep a tally of who's playing every week and yeah Like three weeks in a row. You're out. You're out for like two weeks time out. Yeah No, I just want to be I want to be careful and and also say that you know That's always in our thoughts too because they were just super done with the the live chat on there too Like co-current with them like I was just listening to those and like doing drywall work in my house and shit and like having a blast man It made that shit go a lot faster So I'll probably do one this weekend. So you guys know, um, I don't know which one yet But we'll do like maybe maybe a breeder's pack of the the blue bonnet or something like that Or uh blue blue and cross Yes, I've got resin on your balls accidentally eyeballs and lower balls. Yeah. Yeah I don't really had you just makes it can irritate the skin because it's sensitive skin on your scrote sack But uh impromptu waxing. Yeah eyeballs though. That's fuck man. That's uh, because I got Having to happen non-stop all week while shucking. I've been in some weird trim scenes in Humboldt. So Yeah, it's not an exaggeration either some weird shit used to happen on the hill Holy I would love to hear about that another time Yeah Especially some of the other stories that I heard from like especially female trimmers like holy shit They were just wild shit happening out there. Oh god. How do I get in on this? Seriously bro, you got us fill the beans. I know man All right, I guess uh, yeah, is that gonna be it any you guys any last words any shout outs this week? Yeah, shout out papa D. Yeah Papa D. Hope you're doing well Love that man. I love that man Um, yeah, oh, yeah, and don't forget the the space dude drops coming soon from tga Don't want to forget that one. That one is gonna be a big one. Um Yeah, we'll see how that goes We got a lot of seats to blow in a lot of seats to shuffle on that one shucking and blowing You know bad game All right, local you got anything? Shout out to my cats They were here the entire lives Yeah Oh All right, doesn't you got anything he's been coming up to the window like every 10 minutes No, I don't I'm like my brain is gone. Yeah, that's me. This is a fun show Yep, I guess with that we'll end it. Thank you everyone I'm gonna try to edit this into a real episode because I think it sticks it into a y portion It makes it harder to find so I'll try to it does. Yeah. Yeah, I've done by this weekend All right, and with that I must hear cheers. Good night everyone