 Welcome to Toffy TV. It's the debate. My million bars go head to head for about 14 seconds and then just chat about history. But you know what? It seems to work. People seem to like it. We have reached the era of Walter Smith. Oh yes! It just seems fitting at the moment that we've come into the Smith years when the feeling around the club is. If those when I've just looked at the players he bought. 98-99. Halcyon. You know what? Let's be honest, we were all a little bit excited when Walter Smith took over because his track record in Scotland when Scottish football wasn't the way it is now. It was very good. He had European football wise. He had a good little run in that as well. I remember when he got him, he was going to Sheffield Wednesday and Peter Johnson just jumped in there and just went, I'll have you. Off of them. A lot of money. Said he would have a lot of money in the transfer market as well. Give him a share in DJ's bubbles. You own 10% of nothing and convince them to come to the club. You did and you write it. It caught the imagination when he came because obviously he'd won stuff albeit in Scotland and won league titles being in Europe. Had some big players and so it was, I suppose, it was the shot in the arm. We probably thought we needed it at that time. You know, we'd had the Joe Royal thing at the end of the broccoli and Howard had come in and it hadn't worked and as we discussed last week and Walter had come in and it was like, okay, this is a fella that won stuff. And let's see if he can get a tune out of these players and he didn't. Well, he came in and put straight away big names were getting linked to this because he was Walter Smith was at the time very well respected manager around Europe and we were getting included a lot of big names, a lot of talent. There was money, we were told and every day this was pre-internet era really. You were on club call, right? You were nailing club call. I mean, I wouldn't call a club call. Now it'd be call me, club call. That's a different study, a different job. But yeah, every day I remember I just sort of got my face proper job. I was earning a bit of money and all the rest of it and just helped play for club call. I was working on the railway and I was in the train station and every morning you get the paper and you go through it. And the worst thing is though would be like the post and all the post was the stuff from last night to help. So the baby really little and I remember like start work like say half five and you just wouldn't get busy till like say half seven so you had a couple of hours to kill. And cos you just woke up you wouldn't be tired like you get tired about nine o'clock. That's when you were like. But I had a mate called Tony who worked at the station. I worked at Gassner and we'd be on the phone. What have you heard? What's happening? Have you read this? Have you read that? Been linked with some and it was all just it was all just utter bollocks then. I know it's utter bollocks now but at least now it's utter bollocks. You're on Twitter and stuff and you can find sources and you can see your link to display in that player and you can find out that it's bollocks very quickly or there's some links in it most of the time. You can like if you hear a room and now you can track it down pretty quickly and go away. That can fall off easy now. Or you go oh yeah actually. But then it was like oh you've heard this and this and I fell it and it's dog told me last night. It's like a dog. Yeah the dog told me and it was all just like what am I saying and this fell it and it was all just like and it was mad and it was just so it was I tell you what if you think it's bad now it's waste then and club called me the waste as well. But we were linked with so many players and because you were a and also pre-youtube get linked with this player you're like oh he's got this boss on the new music never had a lot of things like championship manager at the time that's where the research was done things like championship manager but first three sirens matter aty and you were like come from perugia everyone wanted them everyone in italy wanted next big classy and atalium like 1998 you were buying atalium defenders you were getting the fucking you were getting the job done they were they were no compromising in it and I remember I was instill in school but I remember that it wasn't still in school it wasn't still in school it was um I don't even know where am I going with this no I wasn't in school sorry I was I'd finish work and I'd gone to town and I was walking I was walking I was walking to George this is your story no face you've asked me where you're going with it now you're asking me why you were walking I was in Georgia releasing town and I can't even remember why I was in there I might have just even been cutting through because you could cut through might have been called by it also but I had the other Tony in my bag and in the other Tony was a picture on the front of Mataratty and I'm walking through and he's Mataratty buying a couch and I went to say that was the story but I remember the time he was like Mataratty and then Oliver the Co came in yeah and it was like this fella is gonna be the next big thing 1998 French 40 oh yeah he's all about the French 14 98 missed out on the Whale Cubs garden by the next big thing French 40 plays they're amazing and then it was John Collins amazing for Celtic playing the Whale Cubs go the go the first goal of the Whale Cubs against Brazil still boss that's exactly what we need in his peak and then it was and then Unsworth getting Unsworth back oh he's boss of West Ham oh he was going to fill it and that was like projected and then then we were supposed to sign the Croatian fellow Amy what was his name oh mario Stanis we were supposed to buy him from was a Florentina yeah and it was like over after him and he's like the mission piece and then it was like no money left he spent the last year money on Unsworth and then that's where I didn't that's straight away that's where the cracks started to appear because smith wanted him more than Unsworth but he thought he had enough money to have both and he's done that score goals and it was like Florentina were playing the hardball they wanted it was like they wanted three and a half and evermore only offering in three or something but then in Peter Johnson was like there's no money left he's and I think Smith was like if you told me that before and I would have spent the three and a half I spent on Unsworth on him and what Unsworth was like a luxury I didn't need it he had loads of centre backs at the club he could he could cope but Unsworth was like it was the emotional like Bill bring him home bring him home didn't want to sell him in the first place that was like upside down didn't want to get rid of him but it was like that thing of bringing him back and that's where the crack started to appear so it was like we'd go buy anyone we wanted there's no money left you've but remember the famous saying where's the money it's on the pitch what Johnson said it's on the pitch that's where the money is um one of those like popovers on a little pair of handblasses and I was like oh this fella but he was well on his day when he played well he was fantastic when free to play there he was just go through the gears with the ball he was super ugly a matter of that he done okay he was just a bit erratic wasn't he well for me I was watching a video to the day it was I think it was of the season that season was on sky I think it might have been you know skies but Premier League years and yeah he was erratic but he won the show where he got sent off and he didn't touch the lad at all. He was crying on the board. Yeah it was yeah and the ref gives him the red and he goes on the board and he's crying and he didn't even touch him and he was going mad and he was there was about three of them in the season wasn't he and um the what I think's the worst about him was he was just finding his feet in the Premier League when he sold them sold them back to Prusa sold them cos we needed the money yeah and they were going to me into my land the rest is history wins all kinds wins a well cup wins probably fucking doesn't even know what we are now um he she's just sitting in front of me in a main stand man he wasn't because he was suspended quite a few times and he just literally kisses little kid for the whole game there was a kid with boss like a little and he just beat everybody was like proper I think he liked you know I think he did like it 11 but you've been off the door too quick hey man the call but that was the problem wasn't it at the end of the season it was like we need to get the money back no didn't work we need to we've got we we we we bought luxuries that we we can't afford to have at the club now we need to go and buy brick a black but this is the list before we go into our picks this is the list of the players that were bought in the three and a half just over three and a half years that he was at the club yeah matalati two and a half million all over the court four million john collins two and a half million david undwyr three million steve simonson three point three million ibrahim a bachio co four point five million david weird 250 000 he's a dain 200 000 scott genno 200 000 which he got three kevin cambal three million after his initial loan mark pembrydge 1800 800 800 000 apple savier 1.5 john maxmore three steven hughes three million mark hughes a three steve watson 2.5 million alas no alas andro pristoni 2.75 million paul gasconn three alexanderson 2.2 million neaco 4.5 million gavison 2.5 million ffegerson 3.75 million naturef 1.7 million adan tal all we are saying is let's give me a chance 700 000 alan stubs three tonnage rodinski 4.5 million jasper bonkist three um david genola three lee carsley 1.6 something like that 1.9 toby toby lived enough to buy a slender of 2.2 million they were the outs ins these are the outs now that was a we loved the 4.5 and then they you know grem allan 300 000 car tire 700 000 dunkham ffegerson 8 million gavim a can 500 000 tolly thomas 150 000 michel mlyda free john's better half a million bachioca 3.8 million decor 6.5 million matadati 3 million craig show 2.1 million jon officer 1.1 fally 300 000 jon o cain free tonnig ram 450 000 meiko brand 500 000 feeling free may 12 free john collins 2 million jon o cincin 2.5 nick barby 600 000 dunk 3 million hues free francis jeffas 8 million phyll jevins 150 000 steven hues free peter daint free thomas manner 300 000 meiko ball 6.5 million three three and a half years three and a half 30 fucking players in and out in three and a half years 10 season and we never finished in the top half and all those players and there was talent there as well and there was a genuine talent there if some of those players there played in the same side there would have been a good side in there but unfortunately there wasn't so you're going for come on you're going for as your best signing of the waltersmith era i'm gonna this too but i'm gonna do i'm just gonna go for kevin cambal for super kev because he come in kept us up that's he's nine holes in eight games fantastic me neither the lift he gave us the lift and then that comes again matter that he got sense off he's got both and didn't even beat them to you know and and remember he's got a hat that against west am at the end of the season he beat them six you know when they were flying and we were struggling on he was just brilliant he gave him a chance and i think the only you know when he carried it on to be fair he was great then actually but he got an injury and he was out for ages and when he came back he just lost that little bit of sharpness and he actually scored on his first game back at newcastle we won one little nice met and salmi did he be we went up there and won and he slid in at the far stick and scored yeah and he's still got goals he scored on his day against newcastle didn't he even scock emill me won three won up there scock emill got one and he got one i think he got it genl's fault he was fantastic and like i say he got goals but he just he just wasn't the same that little bit of pace he'd gone and he became more physical then he was like a target man so he played but just for the initial impact and the fact probably for walter that he was like the the mainstay of our centre form i mean this walter smith did have a period of time and cambal was injured where we had steve Watson up front you know we was right back um but yeah i've got to go for kevin cambal yeah um i was remembered for um i also remember playing sentiment field and a way of villa sentiment of villa that was nearly bizarre as dunk and playing left when getting switched but yeah well he he um came in on loan and trapped on sport played eight games scored nine goals which is fantastic yeah um then played 137 games between 1999 and 2005 and uh yeah 36 goals yeah he went to west brom didn't he 2005 but i met yeah a lot of that was you know injuries wasn't the injuries and and last couple of years of his career he had a big contract as well wasn't he and people were always saying you know that that sort of uh we couldn't get rid of them yeah we couldn't get we couldn't get rid of them because of because of the wages and stuff and now he was he was listening he was a proper he was a proper number nine wasn't he you know he was fortunate that like that was the number that that was there when he got there there was no number nine um because dunk had been had been sold so he was the number nine went in straight and then he took the mallardy what he did was he come in i think what he what he did straight away was when he came in was he i think he felt like i think i wouldn't say he felt like he was bigger than what we had but i think he felt like it was it was on his shoulders he'd had a bad time i'd say um the president called him a cannibal or he's called a cannibal so he i think he felt like he had to come in and it was on his shoulders to do well like if he did well he'd get a contract and that's probably what he promised him come in do well get a contract so he probably felt when he he'd come in and he just did he was very much like i suppose what kindle wanted the own Dublin to be like that person that you could just rely on use his strength use his speed use his ability to do and get those go out the know-how yeah score a lot of goals because we get in Campbell and people like Kevin Campbell he's like doing anything and say he's he was struggling and coming in he was a revelation and he did he took the knocks and he was big and he led by example and he he dragged people through in that in that period because we were desperate we were desperate at that time and scored a goal you know and he come in and and he scored a goal for Smith and he was brilliant and he took it on the next season you know the next season and um leader out and he scored a couple there and you know he scored a ramp field and he was he was all going well for him and until he got the injury and then obviously that curtailed up but he certainly he was a good centre forward just towards the end like he said he was obviously he was slowing down which is natural he was getting older i think the second to the second to last season under Smith we've been doing all right and um when he got the injury and as soon as you got the injury the goals we just tail tailed off and ended up thinking finishing like 14 or something but we've been doing all right and and say he was a Tasman and um well in that second season we ended up buying Mark Hughes because we didn't have a centre forward yeah so Hughes coming and more free coming on a free didn't he you know and played about 20 games so one goal 15 games and one goal scored against Wofford her own yeah and a 4-2 when Stephen Hughes also scored and he was bastard shite as well when we bought him I was quite happy when we got Stephen Hughes because I'd seen him but I asked him if one of those I suppose a matter of day player so you see him on the yeah we're also one of those players that when surround a bad good place he looks he's a better player and I think he was a he was a cockneyb on he wanted to be he was a london boy and he's something he'd really settled up he had a nice left up but he just didn't shit out of the games as well he was a yeah but he did have a nice left up but yeah that was you know Campbell was a big was a big thing the injury did stop me I think he'd have done he'd have done even better than what he did do because he was flying that season I'm thinking of you know the second season the winner at Amfield you know the goals against Leeds and he was just he was looking lean you know Jeffers was in with him and it was yeah the combination to him and Jeffers was fantastic it's just it didn't happen that you know the injury stopped there like you're saying you know we go he had the little V-sates and when he'd come back I remember he scored the winner against Arsenal and Chelsea in a week we beat them twice at home in a week you know and I remember on live at Wimbledon he scored women's cadamate yeah we scored three in the first half it's got a goal as well we scored three in the first half yeah he had his moments and ultimately for Smith he was a fantastic buy because you know he kept us in the Premier League and he's going a goal that I'm feeling for Smith he obviously he put the ball in the back of the net which was which was obviously one of the things big things missing I think he was dependable as well it was the big thing about it and that was the unfortunate gap that his injury was he was always dependable and he took it on he was a leader at the end of the day as well he was a leader that liked the responsibility of being a leader where others you know we read off the list of players there a lot of them were just shit assers we talked you know we talked about in another video this week about the situation with ever now and the lack of the lack of joined up thinking and the lack of just players that just don't fit together and the lack of sort of lead the key leaders as well but he was a player that was in his peak was a leader and was willing to take on a team and say you know what on my shoulder's beard sort of thing and I had the right attitude very positive attitude even now you know when he's speaking and stuff it's very he's very positive and because he probably just you know he came from out of a very good Arsenal team and pulled themselves up pulled himself up by the bootstrap sort of thing so um he was brilliant for him so yeah I mean can't really argue with that mine is someone at the other end of the pitch who was equally equally as good Steve Simpson not Steve Simpson now but equally as good maybe not got the plaudits maybe got the plaudits more under David Moyes and it's David Weir signing for 250 000 on the 16th of February 1999 made his debut in the league match against Middlesworth the next day 150 coming on as a substitute for John Oster in the 73rd minute there's a positive change yeah um come on on break by me Weir's first goal for Everton was at the last minute equaliser against Leeds in October 98 at the end of the 2001-2000 season Weir was voted evidence play the year by planet football's readers with Weir the only player to reach four figures in terms of votes but Weir um was just from what Weir he'd come from obviously he played in American college system then he came back and he went to Falkirk and then he went to Haarts and we bought him off Haarts but for 250 000 pound I mean even in even then um it was absolutely fantastic value you know Liverpool was suppose to go to Liverpool and Walter Smith got his connection got in before them yeah and jumped them with that because he was a he was a classy footballer 86 150 grand and big lad really good on the ball well educated off your state and got his degree in stuff and he was he was a very good player yeah and just just a very very dependable defender not not not brilliant at one thing but just just really good put his head in with it eight read the game really well he did occasionally popped up with a goal when it was needed obviously coined the famous Weir sub cat phrase for Moise um I mean under Moise even Stubbs created a brilliant partnership which obviously stopped jugs of your wulf along periods of time being in the side um could defend you know was as comfortable defending on the edge of the six yard box as he was you know anywhere else on the pitch him and him and Stubbs created uh you know I mean you'd have your heart in your mouth the way the how deep we defend with them too but you know we got through so many games I mean more in the Moise area like you know winning six games Neil Neil on a row and and stuff like that and one no he means not no no yeah obviously one no uh winning winning you know winning oh yeah with you know heart in the mouth situation but we got through them um you know for the we've gone through obviously in those those last few years a lot of you know different players short and Tyler and unswaith had gone and Watson was coming to the end and so we've gone through a lot of centrebacks and hadn't quite found a partnership that sounds similar doesn't it um and he helped coming in he was a leader wasn't he yeah with ultimately if you've got a leader in there it makes it a little bit easier for the fellow player next to definitely and he called players well he was decent on the ball he wasn't just a centreback who lashed the ball anywhere he'd bring the ball out but he was him and Stubbs were brilliant defenders as a partnership as a unit and now out she's their experience very rarely did they get run which is mad because they went quicker than of them you know Stubbs he was probably a little bit quicker than Davy were but you know up against the likes of Michael Owen and now he never really fact I think the first goal I've scored against us was a penalty you know because he hadn't scored you know under you know playing up against David Weir he wasn't the quickest he just used to have him playing brilliantly and he just knew how to defend and he was there if there was a kickoff he was the first on the scene you know very much like defending this this teammate as well and he but I think he just at the end he went on slightly too long David but it's the same with Stubbs he went on just that little bit too long when people were like off these again these two because they were towards the end they started getting caught out with stuff and he couldn't recover if they were turned and things like that but 250,000 pounds absolutely were brilliant signing play right back when we had the tallest defence ever everyone's six footed the team it's six defenders and the whole of the back four was centre backs and two more fielders yeah but yeah now he was he was a brilliant sign and David we're 250 grand absolutely absolutely brilliant sign yeah um yeah he was just a leader as well and again it's just a leader number that goal against Leeds in the fore all yeah at the park and I was like okay I'll then and he come in. 235 appearances the most he played for any club 10 goals between 1999 and 2007 and he also done a bit of coaching didn't he? We did didn't he? He stayed on didn't he because he I mean went that's highly rated well at the end he was I mean even when he went to when he went to Rangers um he still he still lived in Liverpool I remember his family was still based here and he was and Sundays he would train with Everton and play for Rangers at the weekend because he was down here you know Moise Moise was like well yeah you can train with those and go and play for them. He lived by me mate in Lim Manchester for a little bit and he showed but he was so handsome and he came back and done a bit of coaching and he came back to me and stuff and he was very highly rated and then he went off to Brentford I think didn't he with he went to he was at Sheffield United Sheff United and he went to Brentford as the assistant then Rangers the assistant not in the forest as the assistant um so yeah he was what the fella called Warburton. Warburton yeah they done very well at Brentford them to then he went off to see the pair of them and not today and just didn't he and um I was wondering if he'd if David Underworth was to leave but he did get David way back. Yeah I don't think he's I don't think he's currently doing anything but um now it was it it was it was just a brilliant play and I'd say not not like no Campbell all the bells and whistles but um he was just consistent when you needed that consistency because when you've got a turnover of players like that you need some consistency yeah um Walt Smith's first game Everton vs Villa Saturday the 15th of august 1998 nil nil nil attendance it's 26,000 40,000 was it 40,100 Everton this is the everest show God of Barry Mark Duncan figures on that day as a 17-year-old he played yeah I'm sure dating with Bosnitch Charles Southgate um Shymaker Barry Hensley Taylor Thompson Wright Joacham Dwight York our side was Thomas Mayer Alaclelland Kriegshort Carl Tyler Marko Matarati Michael Ball so three at the back three at the back Oliver Deco John Collins who Mr Penn Mr Penn scored in The Whale Cup couldn't score after seven minutes seven minutes yeah that's the park end Bosnitch Nick Barnaby John Spencer Duncan Vegas John Spencer Donald Jensen came on for Oliver Deco on the 76 minutes Danny Cedemarty came on on the 64th minute for Spencer um that was his first game his last game middle spread yeah 3,000 in the cup you know last league game was that 2,0 around to Arsenal it was no west on my way 1,0 got beat oh yeah God yeah so his last game as ever manager Steve Simonson and Gull so new goal Pistoni Peter Clark David Weir Allen Stubbs David Unsworth great to back again done everywhere I don't think it was Lindarof Gaze Scott Gemell Wydinski Joe Maxmore Joe Maxmore and Lindarof went off at half time to replace my 3,0 Anderson and Chadwick and Blonkers came on the 70 day minute I was there it was horrendous but there you go it's completely different team that season the first season Smith ad it's so close about three months to score a goal around first like four or five on games you're in scoring so what what I'm in that let me just tell you the story the it was we played Blackburn in about October I think September October around and we drew nil nil I'm surprised we hadn't scored and Jamie Carrigan was three seats away from me with his mate in the main stand and Duncan hit that folly it's a volley of the sky and then it's one post rolls on the line at the other post and come out Carrigan and his mate went up like that he just played it all trafficked on the Thursday fill of a pool and give a penalty where he got beat 2-0 and on the Saturday he was jumping out of his seat at the gooders and Duncan the shot and hit the post slip Jamie Tattoo Carrigan well first the first season we we drew the first game into villa nil nil lost the way at Leicester 2-0 lost a home to Tottenham Leicester 2-0 then we won our first game away at Nottingham Forest Duncan first got a suit then we drew nil nil with Leeds 1-1 with Huddersfield in the league club then we drew 2-2 with John Collins Huddersfield would be done 2-1 drew nil nil with Blackbane that was that game beat Wimwood in 2-1 these are all away though the wins are they drew nil nil with Liverpool drew nil nil with Sheffield Wednesday beat Middlesborough away so we are now that was in the league club we are at the end of October yeah we hadn't scored the goal but we've only been beaten twice yeah but we hadn't scored a goal at home now then we played Man United at home got beat 4-1 I'm just that first goal 4-1 beat Arsenal they got beat by Arsenal 1-0 away drew 1-1 with Sunderland and then got beat by Coventry 3-0 so we lost we lost three we lost three in a row in the Premier League because on the telly that the Coventry on Ffrogat remember Ffrogat it's it like a rocket dropping with a yellow bleach yellow because then we beat Newcastle at home that was the night was that Duncan but Michael Ball pen then we beat Charlton away 2-1 cadamati got 2 drew with Chelsea beat Southampton lost to West Ham away drew nil with Derby got beat by Tottenford 1 beat Bristol City neffy cup Bachio got 2 drew nil nil with Leicester lost 3-0 to Ville 1-1 nil at against the British neffy cup got beat by Forrester home got beat by Derby away beat Coventry 2-1 in the FA Cup beat Middles were 5-0 got beat by Leeds away drew 1-1 with Wimbledon got beat by Newcastle 4-1 in the FA Cup 1 at Black Bay 2-1 got beat by Arsenal got beat by Man United got beat by Liverpool got beat by Sheffield Wednesday and this is where we started thinking we're going here Sheffield at home because was that 2-1 yeah that was two back passes then we beat Coventry 2-0 then we beat Newcastle 3-1 then we beat Charlton 4-1 then we got beat by Chelsea away then we beat West Ham 6-0 and we got beat by Southampton last game of the season 2-0 we were already safe that kept them up as I remember um maybe Charlton 4-1 I don't know that come from we finished the season 11th I think did we end up 11th I don't know was that 16th that's 14th 14th we won 6 games at home drew 8 lost 5 away we won 5 games away and I'm a better miano 2-2 lost 12 4 20 goals that was that's a way 42 goals we scored whole season how many we got this season we finished with 43 points so we were a point only a point where sheffton me a now go ahead you keep looking at the play the year was david you know what but he was in the league for top nine oh I was going to say what um yeah David yeah season afterwards we've only won 11 this season the season afterwards we finished 13th right we uh won seven at home only lost three won five away lost nine finished with 50 points to follow the season so finished with 50 points that season um and then the next season we finished 16th won six home games lost five won five away three years on the run we won five away we've won two this year lost 13 um finished with 42 points 42 we stayed up on one gold difference what no we didn't sorry we sorry i'm looking at the team below no man city went down with 34 points 34 34 points so the coventry showed a braffit man city 34 points um credible credible the most before david wear 37 starts in the premier league um keven Campbell 27 scored nine goals 10 goals overall with cup games in its first season season most appearances thomas marr 38 Michael ball 36 don't know donald joneson 13 33 donald joneson 29 uh second nick barby 37 david wear 35 john collins 33 how many did keven Campbell do that season tommy johnson remember tommy johnson tommy john on yeah going on alone keven Campbell 26 before uh 26 games 12 goals bad that played 31 overall 12 goals and 31 33 top goals gore top goals gore he got top goals gore barby got second with 10 unsworth got nine pens probably yeah um dromax mogat eight i like it i like it gore um fit and then we were was third season and then in his the season that's seen him sacked david wear most games again um keven Campbell played 21 games and obviously that season he finished 15th with 43 points but moise bought a few of that man didn't he so a few but what about he got at least 10 points just got a moise well in his in his final in his final season um first game of the season away charlin 21 figs and we're where figs and taking a pen everyone was like what's figs and taking a pen play then we do 11 with uh tottenham figs and with a pen then we beat middles bit 2-0 what a start then we got beat by man United 4-1 that's when Campbell and figs were up front and I was like oh these are going to terrorize them yeah um do with 11 with palace got beat by Liverpool 3-1 Campbell scored early didn't he lost against Blackburn beat Westam 5-0 Campbell Hutchinson on on goal grab us some whatton badinsky nil nil lips rich be villa 3-2 lost in Newcastle 3-1 drew 2-2 with Bolton stubs in Gaza Gaza's only goal I was there and obviously stubs going against the old team uh chelsea nil nil less than nil nil southampton beat them 2-0 lost 2-0 to fullum beat Darby 1-0 now this is where the this is where the shit hits the fan it's always like it's always November December isn't it well this was the 19th of December leads got beat 3-2 sun lung got beat 1-0 man United got beat 2-0 charlin got beat 3-0 I remember that and he used that fucking nil um middle's bet got beat 1-0 then we went to the epic up stoke away I was there I was stubb scored it yeah scored me um 1-0 yeah then we played sun lung beat them 1-0 yes by Blonkiss had it like a post um the sweetest yeah at the park then we do 1-1 with Tottenham played Naughty and beat them 4-1 then we played Villay away and we just see what the team was because they got hilarious now we do nil nil this is when he played centre of the field so the team was Simiton Hibbet but Hibbet went off after 25 minutes and had a cladding cream on Peter Clark Alan Stubbs David Unswraith Neysmith Joe Maxmore Scott Gemell Kevin Campbell Danny Cadamati and Duncan Ferguson number one how the fuck did we score and that number two how the fuck did we keep a clean sheet there were five strikers playing but we replaced Danny Cadamati with Nick Chadwick another striker another striker fucking Sam roll over in his fucking he won't be happy there in his gravy battle did he they had incoming goal Delaney Melberg Steve Stoughton Samuel Boutang Mason Leandrie hadgy vessel and um Padwell angle delies for self you know how on it right yeah look so defenders Hibbet Clark Stubbs Unswraith Neysmith it's five defenders one midfield there and four strikers that's the way so Kevin Campbell played centre of the field didn't he that night i think Joe Maxmore played wide he went from having no strikers and Steve Watson on the front so just playing all of our strikers in the squad all kind of in lads she didn't get us a goal that was nil nil then we got by a pitch 2-1 then we got by Arsenal 1-0 drew nil nil with crew yeah beat them in the in the replay 2-1 Campbell scored a win a national drew with Liverpool 1-1 drew with Leeds nil nil lost to West Ham lost to Middlesbyr then Moise came in be full him be Derby got be buying Newcastle be Bolton got be by Chelsea drew with Leicester beat Southampton lost the last two games to West Hampton and Arsenal Steve Watson scored I was at the Arsenal game and we got be 4-3 and no one gave a 4 we were just there happy yeah that's a Southampton's on a five on a shot being out Steve Watson scored three and he was on the bench work so I don't know was was he just it was Walter Smith just if was it was it just do you think it was just a he was just a victim of circumstance or was he just a bad manager I just thought he was shit so we always disappointed he was he was very disappointed disappointed he was uh he was just very negative he was just a very negative despite having 31 psyche isn't it he he was just everything we had yeah we didn't have great players but we still should have been able to get the top off do better than what we showed you know what I mean and there was just too many I suppose it was a bit like it's there was plays he would decent play but just didn't it just didn't look like he gave a fuck and you know the fair I remember being told that when Moes went in on the first day after Smith had been shocked he said knock on the ravini millionaires taking the piss army that was the sting to the players that day and within a week there was the goal there was nobody in the treatment when he went in there was seven and players started training again he got rid of the jet well but out going into he got rid of you know when he got rid of well did you know he stayed till the end so even Gaza went the next day on on the team no did he say to me and but he told Gaza didn't he said you can stay but you're not playing and he said that's a you know the you know the stayed my Gaza said he should stay because I got in and I got back in yeah and he got off but you know but I think Walter Walter had lost his way there was rooms he was going to go at the end of the season before and he didn't he stayed and then I think he just lost his way but it's funny because he he had good professionals in there when you talk about but you but having good professionals doesn't necessarily mean they're all going to create a team spirit or an ethos or whatever you need some guidance don't you but it wasn't there mean you had plenty of like leaders stub somewhere in Campbell and Vegas and I remember what's in us the when he had Collins and the corn that season they were really good to watch the season wasn't great but they were really good to watch you know and again just didn't score enough goals but they were decent and the next season they were a bit it was just never got a grip at the family and I can say I'm like you saying negative like he said them out of being to just not lose games and I think in Scotland they probably the quality would have overcome that even though it was hard and it is now the quality would have overcome and I don't think you don't get that idea you don't get that luxury air of coasting through and getting the result you need it the case of we just suppose he just didn't have I suppose he never built a team had it because you'll have a turn over player fair you know the other place he signed he lost as well the goalies were shit he lost but he lost players like materati and Collins and and the core as quick as he got them so he was always a turn over and then like Campbell got injured so there's always a turnover of players I suppose as well and some of his signs never came off in terms of you know how good they were so I suppose you always took the safe route but they were grim days when they were like they you just they were like that was the time you just forget loads of those games because they all just made sense to each other because it was just three years or just like grimness yeah three and a half years of grimness we weren't doing anything that was the thing we were just using nothing we were just a nothing team so it was like he went to maths but it was like just didn't help more than any kind of expectation you know what I mean but it was probably because social media wasn't a thing so you kind of you could step away from it I think easy thing you can now so you'd come out the game and you might watch matera day but then unless you're actively winning got the echo or stuff you could almost forget about it until the Friday and you start thinking all we're playing didn't eat tomorrow I mean I was working it was fucking good I couldn't forget about it as much but it wasn't way near and too many of the voices so it wasn't all negative it didn't film my life like it does now and that was then when I was younger you know I could have been going to fucking every away game and doing whatever I wanted but it just didn't it just didn't film my life I'll be honest like I said earlier I just got a job on the railway and I was happy to go to work and then I started playing Saturday afternoons for a good team and I just wasn't that hard at that time it was just it wasn't even me then I just it was like that period when I just had gone had gone to like obviously when I was younger going going all the time but just under Smith had started to just lose me way with it and that's when I started for a couple of years I started playing I started to play Saturday afternoons I'd go to games when they were like they were midweek or they were on Sundays but Saturdays I wasn't interested really till till the till moist came I just wasn't asked there was just a period of two years where I just I'd stopped going it was like it was like I used to have my early shift on the railway I used to finish it like it's finished at like corner past three so you could you could always get some there was a public crossover and I could always get the fella to come in at like when he came in I could always go can I get off now he'd go yeah yeah as long as you do for him that week after that but no one you just like thinking I can't be asked I'd rather he just came in and I was just thinking about it and excuse not to go or whatever day I'd go well I'm going to play or whatever you know what I mean there's more I was getting more enjoyment out of playing then I mean you get older and you realise you just jack stuff I stopped playing at 26 on a Saturday because I wanted to go back to maths because I'd had gone and gone and gone then my Saturday afternoon became when I played you know finished the u-team 40 you should be Saturday morning so I looked from day late to get back in time to to go on what's the matter but then when I started playing say I'm a pro then and stuff like Saturday afternoon stuff so I was playing there so I had every night game every Sunday game you know I'd go to but then I stopped playing and so when he said so I went back at the time I was kind of so back over for my three so old Walter Smith I was going home in a way and it was grim but I was enjoying it because I've been playing for so long that it was like it was fresh you know but now I look back and think I should have been carried on playing slow so that was dirty I look back and think why didn't I like enjoy the social side of ever more but I didn't but wasn't it me wasn't how I was brought up going to maths was just going on the maths it wasn't going on the book I'm like that mate I don't I go to the way games I don't was drive everyone else was going on a bevy I don't drive you know I don't drink you know that I've the odd be a never I couldn't go to maths and be patient I was the west on there you go west on get me there I couldn't I couldn't go to maths and bevy I couldn't because I had to watch the game and see everything but it wasn't like part of me I'm not I wasn't I'm still not really part of the so I wasn't for it I did for a small period but not really not massively but but but but no but but so I this is like the baby when I I not fell out of love with everything but it wasn't the be all and end all I wanted to play don't get me wrong as soon as the game was finished I'll be like you know what's the score and all that because we'd be finished we'd kick off it too and so so obviously the last time you'd be finished out yeah going into the second half so you'd be listening to the older second half um because that'd always be if you were if ever I'd be like that to me dad like well again with catie's angle like are we getting on because he'd have his lady on or or a beat to a man is illusion like everybody couldn't rely on him to give you all the fucking kinds of scores and you'll be like three no dawn or a different but I think a lot of people had that that because the other thing was if you did want to go you didn't have a problem getting ticked it wasn't any problem like obviously time before like it was all ticked games you could pay on the gate no that if you wanted to go even for away games I went to away games for a pay on the gate it was a different time when the stars they'd be right paid on the gate of palace they just go down and I remember paying paying on the gate like sman city and things like that shitty yeah completely different so um it wasn't the pressure's weighing on then to be like where is now where kids are terrified of not getting a ticker for the gate like for the away games now because they think well they don't get it for this ticker for the only no one no but I mean people are more terrified of not getting away for getting a ticker for the away games you know what I mean because of the social side of it like people will go to ever games now and still be it's great for them isn't it people it's people's lives isn't it it's not it's not my or I try to make it not my life you know what I mean it obviously it's a big part of it I try to make it you try to remember that the stuff that is actually important in your life not ever not really important um they're not happy you know what I mean but at that time it was a different time and that's what I was saying I don't think people could cope now well the way social well I would what it was what I would say is take this season and times it by three and a half and you effectively get this my fairy in a what you know what I mean three and a half I'd have gone four and half I'll be honest only three and a half no but I don't even like times the power of it seasons because effectively we didn't obviously we didn't win a trophy we can get native in a quarter finals I think was the fairest we got yes we we won at anfield yeah in his first season so we had a couple of wins here and there again against Liverpool and a couple of wins here and there against from the top sides but we finished 13th 14th 16th for three years in a row and then and then the final season we were heading towards the same and then moys came in and and just said us with you know three or four oh no no 32 points or something but it was a the effect basically what's ones even this season isn't it just getting that but we won three or four games got out of it but it is like but also it's fine saying like it's like this but it but it wasn't all Smith's fault that's the other side of it it wasn't all his fault because he'd been that same before he'd been given promises that wins but I still look at that and go he's still spent 50 well he's spent he's spent I think he's spent about 55 and sold 56 and he couldn't get off he couldn't make us a better side so that's a me tells you that the man oh yeah no no but what I mean is that listen he might have lost interest very quickly because of what happened he was missold wasn't he missold what it was but then he should have had the balls to walk away shouldn't he well again it was almost like that thing wasn't it because when it came down to the Fagerson sale it was in more Johnson and Johnson and it was he stayed in Johnson went and then and then Bill Kerr my came in so it was like that again it was like that little victory I've won this victory but not and got better because there was still no money in fact there was less money but I never saw me in a charge and and that's the NCL thing well we didn't talk about that we said we want to mention this last week didn't we the NCL was a big thing wasn't it at the time a lot of media companies were coming in buying chairs in clubs sky got chairs and well sky went to the bike was it Liverpool man United I don't remember which one it was United was yeah it was United and then they wouldn't allow it because they said it was a conflict of interest and then they bought like 12% I think and push money in Liverpool got money off them they got money off NCL they got money off NCL which were it was a cable firm at the time they got money off the little castle so they were they were putting money into all the clubs in effect in effect these media companies were putting money into clubs so that the clubs would go out and buy better players so that you'd go and buy the tv deal to watch because cable was a big thing then you know I know it's virgin now but then if anyone obviously of you in around the time virgin now is basically the only cable operator isn't it at the time it was all cut up different areas we had like telewest and then we had NCL and they were all they were all different companies they were all putting money in because the way they looked at it was the more money the football teams had the more money they'd spend on transfer like effectively what sky are doing yeah I've been doing all the time they put money in that mean more people are going by cable because they go NCL oh oh i'll get cable and you get games then then teams got games as well they did both ends yeah so Liverpool were on the extra month new castle NCL was showing yeah extra month of games or whatever so everything come to us come to our deal come to our deal 12 million quid 20 was it 20 20 million pounds which was it for 12 percent 12 percent that's when i'm getting the 12 20 million pounds so which that was if they beat out fucking shit on the money then we they beat out yeah we'd already spent it spent it we done the league united we'd already spent it and the deal just 25 minutes from the money going in the bank and uh any reason why never went through they they just pulled the plug it they can't it was them it was never and they just didn't have them so not long after the art force out of it all um ITV had a channel didn't he what was it was the ITV digital channel yeah ITV digital digital digital um which was going to show because at the time it was they were playing about with um pay per view Premier League games as well worthy and they were all looking at all this excess ways of getting money uh and ITV who had they had the Premier League highlights then i think they did it's a beautiful day yeah um they had their own little digital sports channel back collapsed because all this money was all this money that all these companies were putting into it was all based on people buying it people didn't buy it because they were just getting sky the pay per view stuff didn't take off and it's a tanty with around as well indeed so all this money just went no people spent money on footy that was all based on stuff that wasn't real yeah basically yeah that's what it was and and effective it all it all just fell through the club some of the clubs got the money before before it got everyone got it but then all those companies collapsed the Premier League teams had the money and we fell even further behind because they were getting money off sky and they got this nice little nice little uh they got the bump yeah the 20 million to push them we never got the bump spent the bump and ended up in fucking shit street having to sell people out and then we have like well we've already spent this money we need and and basically it was um it was a lesson to a lot of football clubs it was a lesson to a lot of people who just went we are never going near footy again and sky suddenly we're like yeah we've got the monopoly and then as you said uh satan satanta came in and and then bt ended up sort of but then no espn came didn't he and then and then bt in the end of like because obviously bt a huge company with a with a uh a better business model let's just say yeah a more all-round business model that won't ruin them even though they're spending billions on champions league 40 that no one watches um yeah that that so the business model has been sorted but we we again we're a victim everyone else like run away before the door was shut we uh yeah we just haven't we haven't we haven't we would have been better if if the admin have come to us yeah would have been better if they had come to us because we wouldn't have spent the money and put ourselves in debt to which that debt until very recently was still round our necks because we had that debt because of that we secured all the loans everything went against it because we had to with the bays bays loans or whatever they called we put everything into it and and that was that was a debt round our neck until mr micheri got rid of it so it just shows you now much what a time to be alive and watch the blues anyway he's gone for campbell yeah i've gone for wear seems hours ago hours ago sorry for the long debate but anyway give us your memories of the time or you know if we've educated you and can move it via wear i mean it seems a simple one this doesn't it but i think anyone at the time he was around the time would would would say you know where actually he was a top player boss so he was boss let us know your thoughts in the comment thanks for watching we'll see you later