 How's everybody today? So welcome to the Global Spotlight with Betsy Ko and David Randall. We are, we're now on our third, so fourth episode. Yes, yes, that's right, fourth episode, second destination. Yes, second destination. Okay, so today, well let me start out, I always like to start out with just a little bit of a primer on what the Global Project is just for people that um perhaps our first time um perhaps don't know what the Global Project is or perhaps are familiar with it but haven't actually watched one of our Global Spotlight shows before. So the Global Project is a um it's a project that's been around quite a while but we just revamped it on January 1st by introducing a project, an independent project for each country of the world and that means um 199 individual country projects. Prior to that we had 25 country projects. We are now up to um I think 75 of the 199 countries have actual projects up and running and about half of those have managers actively running them. So we're moving along pretty quickly considering it's only been about four months. The projects are, the project pages are what we're going to be looking at today as one of our project pages. I'm not going to tell you what country it is yet but I'll announce that in just a moment. If we go to the country projects page there we can scroll down and we can see the list. If you see a country that is in bold lettering that means it actually has a page up and running. The um pages that are not bolded will have them eventually. It just is a matter of taking the time to get those up and running. And as I said right now probably about half of those pages you find in bold are actively managed. The others have pages up and information available but we don't actually have a manager at this point. So if you're interested in managing any of those countries drop me a note and we'll get you set up but you can do that. If there's a country that hasn't been created yet and you're interested in managing it, let me know that also and we can get you set up with that. A lot of our African and Latin American countries, Asian countries, Middle Eastern countries still do not have managers. Most of our European countries do but there are still a few of them available. So if you see something click on it and you'll be able to tell right away if there's a manager listed or not. And again if not let me know if you're interested in either managing or just joining as a member and getting something started and again we can get you set up with that. David, if you can remind me what does the asterisk mean? The asterisk means that that is a top level country and those are countries that had projects prior to the global project revamping and they run independent of the global project. So we provide links to their pages but we do not oversee those countries. So for example right now Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, a lot of our larger European countries have independent projects. South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, they already have full-fledged projects running independently and again we do not oversee them but we do provide links to their project pages. Great. So what we're going to do today we are the global spotlight shows divided into two sections. We're going to visit a country that we have picked specifically for today's episode and then after that we're going to do part two of our Finding Your Ancestors home village. Last week we talked about primarily immigration and naturalization type records but there's a bunch more records you can you can pursue to hopefully find out where your ancestors came from if the naturalization and immigration records don't do what you need. So we're going to review some of those. First we're going to start with David, we have a question. Yes, what is the question? The question is how come some are in different colors? I think let's go back to that page. Sure and I'll go back to the country list. I assume that's where we saw colors. Country projects. I don't see colors on my screen. Well okay well I see Angola is in a different color and that's the only one I see that different. So I see dark and light and again dark means that we have a page light means there is no page so if you click on the light ones you're not going to get a you're not going to get a link. There is a thing like like I visit if you visited a link like I visited one page well there's like a pink underline or I visited the United States page so it's a pink other and and I think different computer settings will show that differently. So you may find on yours that once you visited a link it does show up in a different color. I'm not seeing it here but that would be that would be the most logical explanation is that once you click on it it will show up in a different color. I know that through the wiki tree browser extension you can change the colors. So you can pick the color that you want your visited links to show in so that could be part of what you're saying as well. Yeah. All right. Now it's time for your photos right? Time for what? Time for your photos. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So and my challenge is going to be to pull them up. We're going to go to to present and I'm going to show a couple pictures of where we're visiting today. This is just one moment to pull them up here and you tell me if you can see what I'm seeing. Well no I don't. I should see a screen that basically says you know this is your desktop. So let me let's see go under percent. There we go. Let's see. Oh wait I think I see it. Yep. Okay. I'm going to add it to the stage. There we are. You're good. Okay. You're seeing it. Yes. We are. Okay. So this is where we're going and I don't expect anybody to guess the exact country but does anybody want to give an approximate guess as to what region we're looking at here. This country is full of beaches. Lots of beaches. Full of my next this may. Are we seeing again? Yes. See the second beach. Mm-hmm. Beautiful. Okay. Beautiful water and we're going to do one more. There's a little village. The mountains above the beaches. Maybe you thought we knew you knew where we were going. Yeah. How'd you like to live in that town? So do we have any guesses? I can't see the chat really. Yeah. I don't see any guesses in the chat. Now are you guessing? Anybody want to guess what continent we're on? Okay. I'm going to pull up a map here. You've stumped them. Okay. I'm pulling up the map. Here we are. We're going to Cape Verde which is actually now known as Cabo Verde and Cabo Verde is a group of islands about 400 miles which is about 650 or so mile kilometers rather off of the coast of West Africa. Specifically off the coast of Senegal and I'm going to show you one more map here. Nope. Did I miss it? There we see it. Okay. There we go. Navigating this is not my forte but here we are. Cape Verde is a group of islands located as I said about 400 miles or 650 kilometers off the coast of West Africa. They're known as the Windward Islands and the Leeward Islands. You might recognize those terms if you've studied any kind of seafaring history from colonial era. What's interesting about this country is that it was completely uninhabited until the Portuguese discovered it in the 1400s. It was discovered in 1456 and not only was it completely uninhabited by humans but it's actually was completely uninhabited by any kind of mammal species with the exception of a long-eared bat. So it's completely isolated from the rest of Africa and in really the world. It's got a fascinating ecosystem there. Yes. Within six years though the Portuguese had settled it and at this point there's 10 major islands and nine of them are actually inhabited now. So it is a full-fledged inhabited country and with about a 400-year history. So it's a very unusual place in that it is technically part of Africa but it actually is probably more Portuguese in its in its culture than it is. Now I want to stop sharing it. So Cabo Verde was as I said it was inhabited first by the Portuguese. It was originally intended to be a sugar and cotton growing I won't say a country let's say a province but only about 10% of the land is is farmable. It's basically a series of volcanoes and so it's got a lot of volcanic rock and that does not make it very conducive to farming so only about 10% of the land can be farmed and so what it wound up being was basically a trading post. If you look at the original map that I showed you of Africa it's sort of centrally located between what they used to call what was it they was at the Atlantic Triangle was that what they referred to it as there was the slave trade between Europe, Africa and the Americas. The slave trade was very big there but also they used they traded gold they traded ivory firearms, rum, all kinds of things that were shipped through there and it was a basically a place for ships to kind of regroup they would leave Africa with their bounty they would land in the in the the Woodward Islands they would get some respite and then head off either to back up to Europe or down to South America. A lot of trade with Brazil because Brazil as you'll recall is a Portuguese nation so there's a very significant Brazilian influence on the culture there the music and the artistic styles etc definitely have a Brazilian tinge to them as well as the Portuguese and African so that's what it was used for for probably 300 years up until the 1900s in the 1900s there was a lot of changes going on in the world there was a coup that occurred in Puerto Rico and the Cabo Verdeans took advantage of that and declared their independence and broke away from from Portugal. They did it at the same time as one of the mainland countries which is now known as I'm going to hopefully pronounce it right by Guinea basu they were united as one country initially and then Guinea basu in 1980 had its own coup and Cabo Verde decided they didn't want to have anything to do with that and they split apart and became their own independent country so now we have two countries Cabo Verde and Guinea basu Cabo Verde has been a very successful country they are considered by some some surveys that I've read to be the second most democratic country in Africa the second freest country in Africa and the second strongest economy in in Africa Namibia is number one in that area but so they've been a very stable country they have they're a very safe country they have a lot of tourism they have over a million visitors a year on their tiny little islands a lot of scuba diving water sports also a lot of hiking and that kind of activity going on there they they do have some negatives so the negative is one they're very isolated but two they are number one in natural disasters so they get as recently as 2015 they had a volcano erupt and if you're on a little island like that and the volcano erupts there's not a lot of places to hide so that's a that's a real risk for them they have earthquakes um and they had some major droughts during the late 1900s as a result of that a lot of people leapt the country and today there are more Cabo Verdeans outside of Cabo Verde are in Cabo Verde so um that means that there are a lot of people who potentially want to do research in um Cabo Verde to find their roots we've got a lot of um go ahead Betsy I was just going to ask is there any one predominant place where they've emigrated to or United States okay um Brazil and Portugal okay yeah so um those would be the three places that primarily you're going to find Cabo Verdeans all three of those places have more Cabo Verdeans in Cabo Verde so what we want to do now is go through um our Cabo Verde project page and most I'm guessing that most of the people watching today are not from Cabo Verde so you're probably not going to be doing a lot of research in Cabo Verde but what I want to show you is no in the chat if you are or if you've ever been to Cabo Verde that would be interesting to hear but um what I want to show you as we've done each time is um how you can use how you can go to any of our country pages and use them to apply to your own nationalities if you have a country that you have ancestors or somebody you know you want to research for has ancestors in a country other than um you know what I'd call maybe the big dozen which would be you know England Germany Sweden France etc each each one of our country pages is set up pretty much identical to the others so follow along and if Cabo Verde is not your country the same the same tools and techniques will apply to whichever country you're looking for so we always start out with our home page and um this just provides the basic information on our mission and our goals it's the same for all of our countries we have links to the resources and then information on how to join the project this is where you're going to find if you look on this section right here where it says coordinator and it says vacant that means nobody's running this project so if you're interested in running this project you don't have to have any ties to the country you can um drop me a note and we'll get you set up and you can just have fun with it we give you a lot of independence to do what you'd like with the with the project I've got 199 countries well a dozen of them are already managed by top-level um projects but the other 175 let's say are um under my supervision and I can't possibly manage all of them so I'm not going to be micromanaging I'm going to hand it over to whoever's interested in developing these projects I'll provide support but it'll be up to you to um do as you choose with it with the projects and uh Betsy knows she's doing um Taiwan right now and um again it's it's it's up to Betsy what she does with Taiwan if you choose a country it'll be up to you to what you do at that country so um let's move up to um the heart of our project so the first tab you'll see there says cobble birdie that's going to be where you're going to get most of the information you need to actually do your research and what I have here is just basic information it's not real in depth um but it gives you some idea of the things you're going to need to know if you're going to be doing research in this particular country so starting obviously with the location you're going to need to know where it's located and the administrative division so in the united states for example our records are kept at the county level every country has its own administrative divisions and you need to know what that is or what those are so that um because that's where your records are going to be so it's not enough to just know what country your ancestors come from you need to know where within that country ideally you're going to need to know what village they come from and that's what we're going to talk about in the second half is how to determine that but you're going to at least need to know what what the administrative divisions are so that you know um where the records are likely going to be held it be held um and in this in caba verde um they have 22 different municipalities and 32 parishes so even in a tiny country like this there's a lot of administrative divisions you're going to need to know where where it is that you where your records your families records are going to be give a little bit of the history um just so you get an idea of primarily what i talk about in the historical section is changes in um what i'll call ownership it was portuguese some countries um were overseen by three four five six different countries over time so we talk about the changes because again that's where the records often are going to be the first country we did with our global um uh with with the 15 nations tour was india and we were surprised to find out that most of the records were over in london because it was a british colony i would imagine that a lot of caba verde's records are probably in portugal so um if you didn't know it was a portuguese territory you wouldn't know to look there so um so understanding who was running the country when your ancestors were in that country is going to be key to finding the records um the ethnicities that's a that's another element that's more significant in some countries than others um in caba verde most people most actual caba verdeans are what they call um creole or mulatto meaning they are part portuguese and part african um there are some that are pure portuguese some that are pure african that the vast majority are are caba verde creole meaning that they are descended from both portuguese and african ancestors the language is um portuguese but they do speak their own um version of what they would call um caba verde in portuguese or it's a it's a creole language meaning that it is kind of a um an enmeshment of different languages and um and the religion because they are of portuguese origin they're primarily catholic roman catholic that's really important because that's when you're looking for church records that's where you're going to find them that's actually um if you're from caba verde that's a that's a bonus because the catholic church keeps really good records so you've got baptismal records you've got burial records you've got um even if the government wasn't keeping the records the church the church likely was and because it is a pretty um monogamous religious base chances are if you're from caba verde you're from the catholic church so you don't have to do quite as much guesswork as to what parish or what um uh what denomination your your ancestors were um you know which churches you're going to have to look through and then a little bit on naming conventions in caba verde it's not so extreme um they basically follow portuguese um naming naming traditions a lot of our other african countries the naming patterns get kind of um uh kind of elaborate but in caba verde you're basically going to have portuguese naming systems now again this is going to be um the same pattern on any country you you visit on our global page you'll notice at the end of after each section here there is also a link and that'll take you to more information than um that what we have uh generally it's going to take you to a wikipedia page that's going to give you more information on um on each of the topics and then our next tab if we scroll back up to the top again we have the people and we always include our president and prime minister or other government leaders um we always talk about the monarchy now caba verde um um was um didn't have its own independent monarchy but it did have a um it was under the the portuguese ground so there's a link to the portuguese monarchy there and a little bit below that i always try to come up with a handful of famous people from that um air from that country this was a bit of a challenge because caba verde has not been a country for very long and um it does have a long history of um you know when we're dealing with what we used to call third world nations um they did not have the media that we have in the west and so even though they may have had people that were locally famous or locally important they were not um they don't have the level of notability worldwide notability that you're going to find in western countries so so coming up with um sports stars and movie stars and scientists in a lot of these smaller countries is is not so easy but they do have some and most of these are going to be writers or politicians um we have one musician up here and the reason that i put these up here is um one just just to show you some of the the culture that that does exist within each of the countries but also it's a it's a place to kind of practice if you want to do a little bit of um of research of these countries you know here's a here's a few people that are going to have um probably easier to find records than you might find in in your typical individual so if you're interested um and and betsey and i were talking about this just beforehand i forgot to mention it but when we did our um uh the connectathon this last week ago or so the globetrotters decided to put a little twist on ours and we decided to try to make a connection to at least one celebrity or notable from as many countries as we could and we were able to connect people from 50 different countries um in the one weekend so um you know that just shows that it's doable though we know we obviously don't know we're not experts in all 50 of those countries but if you just kind of take it step by step and um think it through look at um look at some of the um outside the box resources it's it's a doable task and that's that's what i'm i'm really hoping over time with the global project is what's going to catch on is that these countries that people think oh you know how in the world am i going to do cobble birdie research it's doable you just have to figure out how and that's that's the challenge but it's also the fun and if you go to the next page on that note because this was interesting um the last tab is resources and i just put this cobble birdie page up uh this week probably three days ago and somebody has already added resource additional resources to my resources page now unfortunately on the project pages it doesn't tell us the history so i can't tell you who did it and i can't thank them directly but i will thank them indirectly um but they have found church records they have found something called um cobble birdie i d cards and they found a um a book a published book on cobble birdie genealogies and a website that somebody put together on their own family history that traces its roots to cobble birdie so um again whoever did that i appreciate it if you're in the chat room today you can let me know but if not um whoever you are i appreciate it i'm not sure how you found my page one day after i put it together but um good for you it would have to be a wiki tree member right it would be a member you got in order to edit the page yeah yeah um so well that narrows it down because of that two million people but um but yeah it was really cool to come on um yesterday and open it up and see the additional the additional research because that's what i'm hoping will happen is you know i'm putting up the basics and i'm hoping that the members will come in and add to it and and grow it right so they it's not a a stagnant page but a but a um an active page that people can contribute to which is which is the wiki tree wife right okay so there's cobble birdie in a nutshell and if you've got cobble birdie and research um there you are if again if you're not from cobble birdie you're from somewhere else each page follows the same format and if you don't see um link to your to your particular country of interest drop me a note and we'll move it up to the top of the list and we'll get we'll get your country up there as soon as possible we've got about um 100 countries left to go so it'll be a little bit of a of a slow process but we'll get them all up there eventually okay so part two we are going to talk about um records that you can use to find um your ancestors hometown so in order to find your ancestry in another country when i say another country it doesn't matter what country you're in it's any other country besides the country you're in so this is not just um um talking about you you know um people outside the united states we do um because most of um many of us are from the united states we do tend to talk from a u.s centric um perspective that's that's kind of unavoidable but i do want to emphasize that the same um strategies and techniques should be uh usable wherever you're from um if you're looking for people that immigrated either um to your country from somewhere else or else or from your country to somewhere else these um these tools should be should be valuable to you um we talked last week about primarily immigration and naturalization records we talked about um passenger lists and ships manifest we talked about um border crossing records we talked about um on that same note um airline records are often available ancestry has some airline records um we talked about alien registration files if you recall i showed you bob marley's alien registration papers those are typically not online but you can get those from um government agencies we talked about um naturalization records the first papers which are the declaration of intention and the second papers which are the actual petition for naturalization those are american based again but whatever country you're from probably has its own um citizenship papers whether or not they're available you'll just have to um you know you'll have to do some research to find out what kinds of records are um public and what are not within your own country um and then i think we also talked about passport records passport records are um a great way that those are all documents where um the individual was asked to name their place of birth and typically on those those are going to be your best chance of finding the home village because typically they wanted to know specific not just the country you were born in but uh the actual village that you were that you were from so um if you can get your hands on any of those records there's a good chance you'll be able to find the um the village of origin now let's suppose you can't find any of those records you don't know when your ancestors immigrated um and you have an ancestor named uh james johnson from sweden going through the ellis island records or anything like that isn't going to is going to do a lot of good if you don't have a have a date to go along with it so um my favorite alternative no i'm going to share my screen again let's see here my favorite alternative are the world war one and world war two draft cards they are in my screen yes yeah we see your screen okay bigger and um this right here is a world war one draft card the reason we know it's world war one is because um it's really sloppy that they were um the world war one draft cards were handwritten and um tend to be a lot best year and more difficult to read than the world war two draft cards but this is the draft card for rudolf alantino and if you'll look at line five right a little bit above the middle of the the page it says where were you born and and he has written castellanata castellanetta italy so there you've got your hometown david is it possible to zoom in a little bit um like see if i can command plus should do it maybe you yep maybe one more one more level okay degree perfect okay yes yes okay line five yep right about the middle of the screen now um i cannot read his name up here but he was not rude off alantino he was rude off um it looks like gulion nope i'm not even gonna try to pronounce that say that um and down there line seven he's a professional dancer at the time um but right there you've got your hometown castellanetta italy and with that little piece of information you can now go back to italy and start looking for records in um in his home country you would not be able to do that if all you knew was he was from italy because um not only is italy a huge country but it was a whole bunch of um independent countries um not too long before he was born i guess he was born after united but um only about 30 years um the world war two draft cards are you seeing it uh yes we are and yeah we had a comment from yoke uh about the surname about his surname and what was that well i'm putting it on the screen can you see it uh googly a movie yes basically williams i think yeah googly uh yeah well i'll say well we'll just say williams yes thank you yoke okay so now we've got archibald leech we know archibald leech some people probably do it says um right above archibald leech he's got his stage name carry grant yeah line six bristol england is his home is his hometown he was working for frank vincent i don't know who frank vincent is but in beaverley hills at columbia studios now i'm sorry frank vincent was um his next of kin and he worked for columbia studios and i that's one of the things that i love about these draft right registration cards is the next of kin the next of kin it'll be generally a spouse or a parent um and that can be very nice and often they'll tell you and this one he doesn't but um now sometimes there it's an employer and sometimes it's just a neighbor or a friend but it's usually a family member usually it's the mom or the wife sometimes the dad and um we've got another one here i actually held out a couple of these now this was just okay does anybody know who hector beorty is and if you don't know you can read down who his um employer was oh huh hector beorty was um president and ceo of chef boyardy and he is from borgo no borgo novo borgo novo anyway gotta practice my pronunciations oh and and bless them for typing yes that's why i say they tend to be much neater yeah um and if it's a relative you get a signature at the bottom which is cool um and you even get a phone number four nine six milton i have no idea how that was dialed but well yeah i remember when i was very very young that i i mean we had a seven-digit phone number but my mom explained to me that not too long before that it had been like in exchange yes it would be deer field and then four digits yeah i can remember seeing signs that still had the old phone numbers on them right um i i never used them myself but um and i've got one more here just for good measure and here we have lester towns hope also known as bob huh and he was from london england and he lived with jack hope so um we don't know who jack hope was but you can assume that's a relative there work for paramount studios okay so so one one thing to keep in mind about the world war one and world war two draft registrations is they were um they were legal documents so they're going to put in a true answer there and they're going to be specific they um you know that's that's not always the case when you find something in writing but um when you fill out your draft registration card you better put the right answer down or you're going to be in some trouble so um i think they're they're a very reliable source and again they tend to put the specific village or town as opposed to um you know just the country or the state so uh those are are really good resources for that information now the next thing i have down um are vital records vital records um are not always as good of a resource i don't have as much success with those a birth certificate if you have a birth certificate that's going to come from the home country so you probably already know where they're from if you've got their birth certificate um a death certificate typically is going to list a country it's not often going to um list the home village that's not to say it never will so it's worth checking out but my experience is most death certificates um simply list the country and not the specific town um and then the third vital record is a marriage record and it's um i would say the same thing in general however i did find this one here that i thought was interesting this is the marriage record of Joan Fontaine Yachtress um but she was married in Mexico so this is a Mexican um marriage record can you zoom in David yes and if i zoom in let's do a little bit bigger this time now um super okay so right here um this is the um i don't know how that translates uh directly but it's the the groom and the bride the husband and the wife um and if you look on the right side on the um information for the wife the next to last line it says Tokyo Japan i don't know if you can make that out can you see that yes i can see it okay i don't i don't think you can see my mouse there but it's um one two three four five lines down on the right Joan Fontaine was born in Tokyo so that is her birthplace now interesting the husband on the other side was born in farmersville they don't say where farmersville is it could be anywhere in the world so you'd have to do a little bit of further researching to find a farmer'sville um now here's the neat thing about this document if you scroll down a little bit further it's the parents of the husband and the parents of the wife so if you go down where it says Padres de la um what do you we how do we say that contriente um down at the bottom uh it says origin her father was born in Guernsey England and the mother was born in i don't know what they say that reading or reading in England um so you not only get the birthplace of the bride in the room but you also get the birthplace of the father and the mother for the bride in the room so that's a pretty cool document there you're not going to find that i don't think i'm most american marriage certificates okay so so real quickly just a few more um suggestions if those don't work for you um when we talk about vital records um we we generally are looking are talking about government documents but don't forget the the church equivalents so you've got a baptismal records church records are more likely to give more details on the the origins in the government documents um baptismal records church membership records and burial records in addition to the church's burial records there's also funeral home records if you can find the funeral home records they're not easy to do but if the funeral home is still in existence my grandfather was a mortician and i've seen the funeral home records of his and they're very detailed they used to do real thorough interviews of the family in order to put together obituaries in order to provide information for the death certificate in order to adjust for their own files they have information on who paid for the for the for the tombstone who paid for the grave site who paid for the mortuary services uh so there's all kinds of details in their files a lot of times when a funeral home closes they're either bought out by another funeral home who will typically keep their records or um they may be sent to a historical society a local archive so you kind of have to ask around but if you can get your hands on the funeral home records there's a wealth of information in and would almost certainly have the birthplace listed there they would write it down and then when it came time to write the obituary they may leave it out so it may not be in the obituary but it was probably in the original documentation um wills of probate records uh chances are they're not going to say um i was born in but they may say um to my brother living in such and such a town in in france or italy wherever they're from um or i leave my land in france in whatever village you know to my brother to my children uh so there may be references in there uh so that's another place you can find them um employment records are difficult to get your hands on but if you can um i have an ancestor my immigrant ancestor came over in this to from england to the united states in the 1640s and he worked for the draper's guild in london in the 1640s and i wrote back there to the draper's guild and they still have his personnel file and um were able to give me information on his hometown where he was born so um that was pretty pretty pretty startling when i asked for information i didn't expect that but they have an archivist who still has all those records went all the way back to the 1600s and and perhaps beyond uh so you never know um a really good place to find this information is social security applications i don't know that you can get those online but i know you can order them so if you go to ancestry and you look at the social security application abstract the summary it's going to give you a little bit of information but usually if i remember right i meant to double check this there is a button you can click that tells you how to order the actual documentation and it's a government record you can get that and it'll have the actual application that they filled out which is a lot more information that you're going to then what you'll find on ancestry um but i've done that i've got a few of those for various ancestors anybody born um after uh say 19 um well into the 1900s probably if they ever worked as a social security card and um remember and and um they had to put down their their place of birth there um david we have a few comments um so azure noted azure noted that some states that this is harking back to the marriage records your marriage record yeah some states do have the parents names you place in year and i've seen that there's a lot of variation yeah every state has their own and and different um time periods yeah have different um elements so um i'm sure there are some that that have them and if you're lucky uh your your ancestors will be one of those i was um trying to find some online just before putting the show together over the weekend that i was not able to find them but um i'm sure there's there's plenty of places that you will find that you know that's the sort of thing that you know you've seen it i know and i need to find it yeah well or so i've seen this stuff so many times i thought over the weekend i'll just pull all this stuff together yeah and i searched and searched and it just didn't come up um but the other thing with with um with that is sometimes the forum will say birthplace and it was up to the individual to fill in whatever they thought the answer was the correct answer was so they might say france or they might say paris france or they might say the actual village um i know my grandmother um always wrote down that she was born in red oak iowa but she wasn't born in red oak iowa she was born in a little town outside of red oak iowa and um it just so happens that the town was just on the other side of the county line so she wasn't even born in that county so for years i searched that county trying to find records and she was born literally feet over the border and so all of her records were were in the whole other county but you'll find that you know i i grew up in a suburb of los angeles and if people say where'd you grow up i say los angeles um even though i never actually lived in los angeles but you answer with the the location that you think people it should take people well no right yeah right yeah now if i'm talking to somebody from los angeles then i'll tell them the actual suburb that i live in um and so filling out a form the same thing if it just says place of birth it's up to the the individual filling out the form to decide how to answer that so you may get a complete answer you may get a partial answer and you may get a um semi close answer um another thing is is newspapers um obituaries are an obvious one but if your ancestor ever had anything written up if they were a um you know if they ever won an award if they were um in a in a sport sometimes there'll be an article that says you know just a little bit of a bio that may mention where they immigrated from um you know so there's all kinds of other besides obituaries there's all kinds of other newspaper type articles that might include that information um and then looking into published history histories um county histories uh that sort of document and ultimately um looking at other family trees we always say don't trust family trees if you you know without being able to verify i'm in that but if you're um you know if you're not finding your information anywhere else um maybe somebody has it in a tree you can't take it at face value but it could give you a clue yes um as to as to where to look if somebody's yeah um you know uh what do they call that um uh trust but verify is that the is that the saying yeah um but don't be afraid to look at those um you know other trees and get and get your clues just don't just don't assume that it's correct right um right but do your research and see yeah i was on find a grave over the weekend and it was obvious that from what the person had taken time to notate in the biography that there were records in existence so they just didn't give me you know the exact citation but you know it was it was help it made me so happy to see that because yeah you go look for it yeah and it's and it's frustrating because you can sometimes see that somebody's put a lot of work into their research but they don't have the resources and they probably have them at home all listed but they didn't put them online so it's it's difficult to to um to know what's accurate and what's not um but that doesn't mean you can't use it as a clue right yeah so there's a bunch of resources um i'm gonna talk uh next week about well i'm sorry not next week it's month about may 20th may 20th yeah we're gonna pick another country and um i think we're gonna talk about um the fan club for people that are not familiar with that um you'll become familiar next time um but how to use the fan club as a as a as another resource for finding where your where your ancestors are from so we have any more questions today before we wrap up let's just about on time here yep um yep things that things that were said in the in the chat um uh and fiora lisi also suggested bibles as a potential source if you're lucky enough to to be able to uh look at that and um d d spencer car was just saying um she just received an amended death certificate for both her grandfather and dad because they had their race incorrect um so now it's been corrected uh so she's corrected history bravo d yeah another place you might look um if you have old family photos from the home country look on the back and see where the photographer was that's um i haven't done that with with um overseas image i don't have any pictures from overseas but um i've found some of my local family hometowns that way well this has been so fun david i want to go to cabo verde now i know yeah it's a it's a country we don't um you know i was curious i don't know um i don't know what they learn in other countries in europe in particular about um african countries and and um elsewhere in the world we don't learn a lot about individual at least when i was growing up now that was quite a while ago i can't say what they even learned today but when i was growing up africa was just um a unit yeah um it was just african and um it's been fascinating for me to learn the histories of each individual country and um how they um how they play with each other in the rest of the world but also um the independent histories that um are truly you know unique to them to themselves it's been really really fascinating yeah thank you so much for opening our eyes to all this david all right and and we will see each other you said on the 20th right 20th same time one one p.m uh eastern time all right all right thank you everybody for joining us we'll see you next month okay have a great week bye