 It is time so I would like to call the August 19th 2020 one month sustainability advisory board meeting to order Heather could we please start with a roll call? Sure Kate collards in and violetta Manukian are unable to join us today, but do we have Cody flag? present Charles Musgrave present Jim Metcalf present Adam reed present and Mary Lynn present Sorry you guys Okay, and four staff members Annie noble I'm here Rancy Jaffe here Tim Ellis Yeah Atra Nassrat Yeah Danielle Levine Here and Heather McIntyre is present and Polly Christiansen counsel liaison All right Jim we have a quorum. We have determined that we have a quorum. All right So the first order of business is the approval of the minutes of last meeting I will I will move to approve the minutes from last meeting. I second the motion All in favor and I believe it can only be the people who were here last meeting voting. Is that correct? Actually all board members from my understanding from legal is that all board members are allowed to vote You can see that I'm a rookie So all in favor Any up against Well actually, I'm not sure how to work this into the meeting, but there's a few things that were That weren't represented quite accurately in terms of the things that I had to say about the climate action plan and Rather than going through and making those changes, which seems like it wouldn't be very useful to the city or The folks who represent to do that here I guess I just want to ask for procedurally where I would bring up that we we talk about How we revisit that plan and any revisions and iterations that might be in the works So the revision of the minutes happens at this portion of the section So I would just need to know which portions of the minutes you would like to revise Gosh, um, okay. Let me just pull it up and Just say that in the section on The section on gray water There were several but my main concern there was that it's a I'm concerned about the use of resources overall which isn't water conservation, but The resources that are necessary to reprocess water that could just be used as gray water After it's already had one use on site. So and that's still slightly different than what was written. Okay, and There was another couple Well, I feel like this is going to take some time. That is maybe not as Useful as we could Be spending it and I'd rather have I guess I'll just bring up in other business A request that we have an update on what the process is going to be for a Review and revision of the plan rather than going through all of that now Heather Okay, because it's not going to really make much difference Okay, so that outcome of the plan if I go through this here. So Mary you want to go ahead Jim I just wanted to make sure so what What you're suggesting is making sure that we have a chance to revisit The plan details that are that our comments last month weren't our final order. Okay. Yeah And that's slightly different than the fact that some of the things I said weren't fully captured But it's related in that if we're going to review And we're going to set up a review and revision cycle then I don't want to waste our time and I'll just agree to accept the minutes as written Okay Go ahead Polly. I was going to ask you about procedure on that Sorry, I made it because of the phone I think it also would be good to have as another discussion about it because we have two new board members and that would be You know terrific. So, okay great points Can I raise the question or issue? Yeah, so I just want to alert the sustainability advisory board to the fact that this is going to counsel on Tuesday August 25th and that the Comments from the sustainability advisory board have been submitted to council. So just so you know Okay, do we have a copy of those comments? They are in the minutes. They're in the minutes. Okay, so I have a question I think I believe that the comments that we're submitted to counsel are different from those that are summarized in the minutes and I think that Mary is asking about the Summarization that I wrote in the minutes rather than the comments that were submitted to counsel on the climate action task force Report, is that correct Mary? I Haven't seen the ones that were submitted to counsel. I am specifically talking about the meeting minutes where our comments were summarized In the meeting minutes that were sent out a few days ago from the last month's board meeting Okay, as I said any changes I would make it would not see if it's already so the question is when does our feedback go to counsel and Are you saying that? August 25th Okay, but that has already been submitted to counsel and I just a point of Clarification I thought during the last meeting that the minutes that Francie took the minutes the notes As you were providing them and had them on the screen. Is that correct or not? I wasn't able to read everything that was written on the screen as we went through one of the limitations of having a small laptop, I guess But it's it's beside the point I think that if we're going to revisit the plan we can move on from this point, okay Okay Mary I think it would be useful if you if you feel strongly about something send Don Quintana that the city clerk a message to be distributed to all of city council or Okay. Yeah, just send it to all the city Thank you very much. Thank you Polly always learning procedure here And We could we could probably send the actual final version that was sent to city council. We could send out after this meeting I would like to see that. Thank you. Yeah, I think that'd be very good to see and have as an archive Yeah, I think that actually would be more efficient to respond to that than to the meeting minutes Which were sort of an interim it sounds like So the meeting minutes are actually the official record of the sustainability advisory board and was a meant only to summarize the Conversation of the climate action task force presentation and all of the votes that you all did So if there's something that you feel in the minutes is not representing you accurately then I Don't know how you want to revise the minutes But any comments that need to go to council regarding the climate action task force Report, I believe would need to be do done separately Thank you Is that okay, Mary? Are you fun with? We have a procedure to go forward. Great. Okay. Great question. So can we do that vote because I'm confused. Yeah, I Move to approve the minutes from last from the July meeting and Then we had a second from Cody Cody. Do you still second that motion? I second the motion. Okay. All in favor. I Hi, okay. All right great and Then Mary just for the notes for next month I will put in there that you had a question about Comments that were submitted as part of the climate action task force recommendations Report and that you were going to submit those comments to council Later on and it was Ms. Quintana. What's her first name dawn DAW N. Okay, Anna Thank you, and is it and that would be dawned out. I'll just find her email on the website. Yeah Okay, great next order business is public being invited to be heard So I'd like to open it up for the public invited to be heard So as a reminder just each person wishing to speak will be unmuted by Heather to speak one at a time What's your turn to speak? Please state your name and address of record after you do that I'm gonna start a three-minute timer. So let's try to stick to that three minutes And I will let you know when when that three minutes has lapsed or you might even just hear it So Heather. All right, we're gonna start with dough Kelly. I'm not hearing anything Doe are you there? You need yourself for a second. There you go Am I am I on yes, you are go ahead and say your name and address for the record, please. Yes, and Heather I just received notification from Scott Cunningham that he had not received and The link to get on this call and he has public comments to be heard. Can somebody take care of that? Yes, I will take care of that. Okay, wonderful. Okay. Let me get my script. Okay My name is dough Kelly and I live at 622 Barbary Drive Longmont Am I going I will start the timer now. Okay, I Spoke to you earlier this year right before the lockdown I gave my opinion that this committee should do a study session on 5g like the one held last year by City Council in Boulder I encouraged you to deeply study the stuff smart meter issue before approving any rollout I invited you to have Tim Shekali PhD and Internationally recognized and sought after expert on wired and wireless communications who lives in our midst To come and speak to this group and then we were all told stay home Today you hopefully have before you a paper written by Tim called Emma is here I believe Tim holds an amazing key that fits perfectly with Longmont's plan for 100% energy Renewability called Emma Emma stands for energy management and metering architecture It is based in solar energy and battery storage with embedded software technology that performs metering functions Emma does not require wireless smart meters instead It's based in fiber to the premises and infrastructure Longmont already has Wireless smart meters have a wide range of problems both in terms of sustainability as well as security privacy human health longevity and Obsolescence compared with analog technology including fiber But this committee is concerned with energy usage and the city with things financial Tim has handed us something amazing if we are open to it I implore you to call him in for a presentation or a meeting ask lots of questions Get the information you need to make a fully informed decision on this topic from an expert Who's been in on the development of this entire field of technology from the beginning? Longmont can again take international leadership in the field of sustainability and innovation through wise Wired choices As a Longmont resident I task you the committee providing advice to Longmont City Council on this to read the Emma paper See that that it is in the public interest to explore it and then set up a meeting with Tim ASAP Now I have a question Will the city of Longmont be fully insured against health related or other liability claims such as fires started by smart meters? Should we roll out AMI here? We the residents of Longmont deserve to know if our taxes will pay for liability claims from the use of a soon-to-be obsolete technology according to Tim that to my knowledge insurer insurance carriers will not ensure and a quote from the website of dr. Debra Davis PhD which was recorded in 2017 by the SEC Even i-tron a manufacturer of smart meters warned shareholders that we may face adverse publicity consumer or political opposition or liability associated with our products We may be subject to claims that there are adverse health effects from the radio frequencies utilize in connection with our products If these claims prevail our customers could suspend implementation or purchase substitute products Which could cause a loss of sales from the SEC in 2017 Okay, thank you very much Thank you very much Next I'm going to unmute Amber Hess if you would like to speak Amber you should have her still muted. Looks like she's still muted. Yeah, I'm working on it Amber you should have a pop-up window that is asking you to unmute If you press your space bar, you should be able to unmute yourself and talk that way, okay Let's move on to Judith Blackburn. This is Judith. Do you hear me? Yes, we do I Had requested to listen in on this meeting, but not to speak. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you Judith Let's go to Tim Skelly It's Shekali. Shekali. Sorry. I didn't I didn't have any comments to make I just circulated the paper for you to read The Emma paper was mentioned earlier All right. Thank you Thank you letting in Scott Cunningham to the meeting and dough indicated that he had something that he would like to share Virginia did you have something that you would like to say today? No, I also Wanted to listen, but I do not have public comments to make today. Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you Scott Cunningham. We have you Unmuted okay, can you hear me? Okay? We can I'm actually gonna shut off your video so that we have the same access for all participants Oh, sure. Okay Greetings advisory board and other stakeholders Thank you for this opportunity to address the board We're here to add to the ongoing discussion about the sustainability of certain proposed additions to Longmont's excellent telecommunications infrastructure We propose to demonstrate that Utilization of wired smart meters to complete Longmont's vision of a smart city Provides several distinct advantages over the proposed use of AMI wireless smart meters As a review I want to mention that the AMI smart meters use a radio frequency wave form to communicate And it's the same 2.45 gigahertz radio frequency wave form used By the microwave oven on your kitchen counter. By the way, do I need to identify who I am or good? Please go ahead and state your name and address for the record Scott Cunningham I Reside at three seven seven one south Narcissus way Denver eight oh two three seven All right So in here in lies the rub in the case of the wireless AMI smart meter those Microwaves are broadcast through the surrounding air Whereas in the case of the wired smart meters all of that radio frequency energy Which contains all of our sensitive personal information is contained within the ethernet wires as you can imagine Open wireless systems such as AMI represent an enormous enormous potential for widespread security breaches in addition since the microwaves in a wireless smart meter system like AMI are propagating through the air not only is the Energy consumption several orders of magnitude greater than with a wired system, which is a major hallmark of unsustainability The speed of internet access is also much slower compared to wired smart meter systems as Result of these and many other factors the cost of both Implementation and maintenance for the more efficient wired smart meter system Actually hits the pocketbook of your constituents much less than the less efficient AMI system So I'll leave you this next light is the best fiber optic system in the world Now is the time for decision makers in in your forward-thinking city to make the next choice that will keep long month on The cutting edge with ultra-fast fiber optic connectivity rather than harkening back to the earlier era of slower and much less sustainable Wireless facilities if the board requires further direction into this important project We suggest that the board utilize an internationally recognized authority on emerging safe High-performance connectivity such as Colorado's own Dr. Tim Shackley. Thank you very much Great. Thank you very much And I'm going to unmute Monty Whaley if you have something you would like to share Looks like we're having the same not unmuting problem That amber experience Okay, I Do have several other comments that were also submitted for to be read into the To the record, so I'll go ahead and do that now if you're ready Jim. I am yeah I mean, I actually would remind trying amber one more time I would I would encourage if people are having a hard time unmuting that submitting written statements So they can be read into the record is another option to make sure that their voices get heard by the board James just a point of order. Can that be done in this meeting? And then they can be read in a second public comment to be heard. What how what are you suggesting? I? Will ask Heather That I don't know procedurally we only have one public invited to be heard so I think we could read them at the next Board meeting probably do you have any clarification on that? Well, yeah, I mean this board Most of our boards. I think only have one public comment meeting the city council has one at the beginning and one at the end, so Yeah, it's so difficult with Zoom because you know, we're all having trouble with all our Sure And I do want to let all the board members know that I was in communication with all of the people from the community who are on This call and asked them if they wanted to speak to let me know I did not hear back from all of them except for the ones who did say that Shared their comments and then also a few who are unable to join the meeting today So perhaps the two people who did not under unmute themselves when I prompted them to do so Did not have anything that they wanted to share Okay, well, I would encourage if they did for them to submit written comments that we can read in next meeting sure The first one that we have is from dr. Nancy van Dover and she is from Durango, Colorado He says dear SAB members although. I'm not currently a Longmont resident I do have friends in the area and I work at the state level to raise awareness about EMS Electromagnetic sensitivity today I'm writing to ask the board not to recommend the installation of AM I meant meters in Longmont in the developed world One-third of the population is now having symptoms from wireless radiation and six percent are disabled This comes from the who and other sources. I'm a medical practitioner with EMS patients and I'm now EMS disabled myself After learning about our ADA and Fair Housing Act rights I found out that most people including the title two and three entities who are supposed to accommodate the disabled don't know about or Understand EMS. It is extremely important that people who make policies that affect our health and lives Learn about it and take their responsibility to protect our rights and public access into account We've been in an invisible class discriminated against to the point where we can't even access our most critical services like a hospital ER Dentist or eye doctor in order to be EMS safe You need to be able to turn off wireless radiation in your minutes I read quote the city of Longmont does a good job of adopting and implementing the most recent building codes end quote I hope that means that you have adopted the 2005 federal access boards guidelines for the EMS disabled if you have not added those guidelines Please consider doing it soon. You also say you are concerned about additional cost burdens Retrofitting before the ADA costs more than it does Doing it from the start the financial burden for an EMS disabled person to mitigate their home from a wireless Radiation is tremendous. Many can't do it. There are millions of EMS refugees in the world including, Colorado Our fair housing acts rights have been violated and we need our leaders to stand up for us so that we can simply live safely In our homes Longmont is an award-winning city because of your fiber to the premises option I am trying to convince my own rural electric cooperative to follow your examples So we can have safe broadband wired electric meters and be ready for a future with the solar micro grid system Why would you want to go with an inferior AMI meter system when you can go with that with fiber? I've studied dr. Timothy's Sheckley's work you have an international expert living in Boulder who can help me Help you meet your sustainability goals wireless uses 10 times the energy of wired. It is not green Whether it is for broadband or electrical meters The only way not to violate the federally protected rights of the EMS disabled is through wired connections I urge you to do go in that direction to use the great infrastructure. You have already created. Thank you, dr. Nancy van van Dover, Durango, Colorado Okay The next one is from Kimberly Edmondson from 814 bittersweet lane Longmont, Colorado Sustainability advisory board. My name is Kimberly Edmondson. Currently. I'm a stay-at-home mom to two twin five-year-olds Previously I ran my own massage business in town and before that worked as an x-ray tech for 20 years I'm very strongly opposed to the idea of having smart meters installed in our town Having studied radiation physics a bit as part of my training to become an x-ray tech There were some lessons you don't forget the concept of al a r a as low as reasonably achievable Meaning do your best to avoid repeats and using the least amount of radiation possible Since no one knows how little radiation it takes to create a biological effect to a cell or the cellular DNA Another takeaway is how much more sensitive children are to radiation exposure exposure with the rapidly dividing cells I know x-rays and RF EMF radiation are not the same, but still they are all capable of causing damage I'm also one of those people who are sensitive to all of this Wi-Fi radiation as it is already without smart Smart meters and 5g going full bore I have constant ringing in my ears and I have found that by turning off our Wi-Fi router at night It stops for a while if I use my cell phone iPad or computer heavily I have numbness and tingling in my hands through my personal health journey and tons of self-study I found out I am deficient in B vitamins an effect of EMF radiation They deplete B vitamins despite having a healthy diet not being overweight and exercising regularly my a 1c level suggests I am pre-diabetic there are studies that show EMF radiation causes diabetes and she gave two links here Which I'll forward to you after the meeting she goes on my husband suffers from many of the symptoms that are listed side effects of EMF radiation Many listed in the above study, but refuses to make the connection being a person who works on computers all day I stopped having brief episodes of atrial fibrillation since we started shutting down the Wi-Fi at night My problem is that with the smart meter. I will not be able to shut it off I won't be able to shut off my neighbors either that is pointing toward the side of my house I will be regularly bombarded everywhere. I go if my body of around 130 pounds is this strongly affected What will it do to smaller beings children dogs cats birds bees insects and plants? What will be the long-term effect of these other creatures who cannot show up today to speak? Lastly, I suggest that all of you watch the smart meter documentary put out by Josh Del Sol They also discuss how these meters use more electricity to operate and often cause higher utility bills for the residents Or the guy whose pacemaker was having issues after his was installed This should be optional and not mandatory with no penalty for opting out Seriously, please watch this each and every one of you the health of the planet depends on it and she gives a YouTube link If you want to learn more call I will be happy to share information from the transcripts from the recent 5g summit or arrange a time for those interested in watching What these experts in this field have to say in summary? It is not good for human health or the health of all living things Kimberley Edmondson And I will forward that you know with the links and everything in it for you Thank you The next one is from Jessica Davis whose address is 2 2 2 1 Longspeak Avenue Longmont, Colorado She says I am a hospice nurse and have serious Concerns about the negative health effects from the electromagnetic Magnetic radiation at these meters emit There are numerous studies that have shown that exposure to this radiation can cause brain cancer heart palpitations insomnia anxiety headaches and overall degradation to human cells I would strongly encourage city council to allow families to have the option for the installation of a smart meter on their house It is our right to be safe from harmful devices and the smart meter certainly is very harmful I do not want such a meter anywhere near my children as I firmly believe it negatively impacts their health Thank you for sharing my concerns at the 330 meeting today and One more from Becky Nelson, although I do not have an address for her Said I believe smart meters are not the way to achieve sustainability and that there are other more sustainable means in the works There are many arguments that the meters are unhealthy and the smart meters works against the vision and mission of a committee with a goal of 100% Energy sustainability this technology seemingly may create the kind of polarization We are looking not to create in the interests of powers that would seek to expand before obtaining relevant knowledge on the subject I implore you to help us all redirect the current plan and thinking on the smart meter rollout Thank you for your time Becky and then I also did receive the comments that Tim Shelky Referred to so I will pass those along to the board as well And that's all I have Thank you Okay, next gender revisions and submission of documents Staff city staff. Is there anything that you would like to bring up? I don't know of any Annie. Do you I don't know of any Okay All right, I will take that as a no and move on to general business So just before we move on to the general business. We have three different topics that we're gonna Have today I've been asked to make sure that we reserve our comments until the end of the presentation just for time's sake So I will take notes and my own Comments and then when each person is done we can ask whatever questions that we have if that if that sounds okay to everybody Great. Well first on our list is Francie Jaffe is going to be talking about our greenhouse gas inventory Hi, my name is Francie Jaffe. I'm the water conservation and sustainability specialist Today I am going to give an update on the 2019 greenhouse gas inventory next slide I'm gonna go over kind of how this ties in with our sustainability Direction the methodology we use for our greenhouse gas inventory report And then I'm gonna go through key findings and implement Implications I am actually if it's all right with the board I'm going to pause twice for questions Once after the inventory methodology and once after key findings Since I thought there might be different types of questions after each. I will allow it Great. Thank you. Next slide So the Sustainability plan cause for the creation of a 2016 greenhouse gas inventory baseline Which we completed in 2018 We are now and then it called for the for the Inventory be updated every three years and we did the 2019 update this year with the overall goal of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 66% by 2030 next slide We use the global protocols for community-scale greenhouse gas emissions inventories or the GBC protocol Which was developed in 2014 by the World Resources Institute ICCLE the local governments for sustainability in C40 cities Climate leadership group They have different types of protocols We use the basic plus which is their more Expand expansive protocol that covers all scopes that I'll go into the next couple of slides and The units that are used are metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalent or CO2 equivalent Which combines emissions from three greenhouse gases carbon dioxide methane and nitrous oxides next slide Just for context one metric ton of carbon dioxide equivalent is the equivalent about 2,500 miles driven 113 gallons of gasoline or about 10% of your home's energy usage for water For one year just to give you a little bit of a visual next slide So there are three different scopes That make up the GBC protocol the first scope is what's within your defined boundary We define our boundary as the city of Longmont boundary, but we do include a piece of agricultural land that we do have About eight cattle on just outside the city So that we included in that within the inventory this covers the different sectors of agricultural forestry land use industrial processes fuel consumption from stationary Building so that's mostly buildings in boundary waste and inbounded transportation. We also include scope to which is Emissions that may have been generated elsewhere, but are used in Longmont. So that's grid supplied energy and Then scope three which is out of boundary waste and wastewater Transmission and distribution and out of boundary transportation. That is primarily our portion of our transportation of Essentially Longmont residents using the Denver Airport next slide So those the different ones I walked into within the scopes are different sectors that we use I'll be using throughout the slides IPPU for industrial processes and product use and AFOLU for agriculture forestry and other land uses next side To build out the sources Sources going to much more depth on buildings and transportation Buildings we look at residential versus commercial as well as by fuel type as well and fugitive emissions and transmission distributed distribution losses For transportation, we also look by look by fuel type We also build separate out transit from our local bus systems railways electric vehicles And then trans boundary aviation. So that's the portion from Denver first inbound aviation, which is the portion from our Longmont airport next slide So we added an information only item I'm calling it an information only item because this is not part of the greenhouse the GPC protocol Essentially, we are a we own twenty six point one percent of Platte River Power Authority and that is called our equity share So of total Platte River Power Authority emissions, which are about three million metric tons We have about seven hundred ninety nine hundred seventy metric tons that's combined with both what we use on the electric grid and What Platte River Power Authority is selling on the market? So they sell a portion of their electricity not to the fore owners, but on the market So normally in our greenhouse gas and study We only look at what Longmont is using and that doesn't actually include our Portion of what they're selling to the market. So we're referring to this as our additional equity share Which is about two hundred sixty metric tons carbon dioxide equivalent so this will be shown in one of the the key findings as a informational only just to kind of show the impact of The our ownership of Platte River Power Authority on a broader scale So I'm gonna stop here Does anyone have any questions on the methodology? I have a question about scope three the out-of-boundary transportation Does that include non CO2 sources such as the contrails emitted by airplanes? for instance We I Would have to look into that my understanding for Transboundary aviation is that we use a Estimation that is developed by the Denver Airport and they assign up we there's essentially percentage you can use for different communities I would have to dive into the data to figure out exactly how that's being calculated and I can get back to you on that Okay, thank you Charles I had one question for the equivalent CO2 emissions. I think you Lumped CO2 methane and no two together There's no waiting that takes into account the different global warming potentials of the gases. Yes, sorry I did not add the weighting in that we do factor in the weighting when converting to CO2 equivalent So I can actually pull that up. I believe it's 16 for methane, but let me That one I went very quickly. So the conversion For the global warming potential. Sorry. It's 28 for methane So you multiply it by 28 and then 265 for nitrous oxide So we are factoring in those Thank you. Any other questions at this point? awesome Great Next slide. So now I'm going to walk through the key findings starting on the next slide So these are the two 29 emissions by sector on the next slide I'll show it with the equity share, but I'll walk through this first about 80% of our emissions come from Commercial industrial buildings and residential buildings just so it's our largest use of emissions from both electricity and natural gas And then after that Transportation is about 19% On the next slide if we factor in that additional equity share, we see that is 21% So is so just the other percentages Accordingly, but this really highlights the importance of our commitment to 100% renewable energy by 2030 as it will not only have an impact on our buildings but on our Missions it from what Platte River Power Authority is selling to other communities next slide So this slide on this press this graph breaks it out by residential in commercial electricity and natural gas so for electricity our total That is our largest emissions. So that's about 53% come from both residential and commercial electricity after that we have 24% from natural gas and then Transportation we broke out the aviation for to focus on on-road transportation and transit Which is about 16% kind of highlighting the key different areas of focus that we should Work on to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions next slide We had a number of information only Besides the additional equity share Essentially the GBC protocol does not allow for the subtraction of avoided emissions But we calculated it just to see how much emissions were avoiding from recycling as well as community generated renewable energy use The total is about 88 1181 metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalent most of that coming from recycling efforts We also did a separate effort this year to conduct a waste life cycle analysis These numbers are not included in this graph and in this report We will actually be coming back to the board enough at a future meeting to walk through the waste life cycle analysis report as well as You of current waste services programs Next slide So in comparison comparing 2016 to 2019 Are we overall had a decrease in greenhouse gas emissions? You can see that broken out by sector on the right. This is not just due to activity, but improved methodology So for activity, we saw an increase in waste aversion our carbon intensity of our electricity mixed Decreased which had an impact as well as a multiple oil and gas wells were closed and long marked Eric travel VC on the graph has a significant decrease and that's mostly due to improve methodology estimating greenhouse gas emissions is a constantly Evolving fueled and every year they're figuring out more and more ways to do it that are more accurate. So as we do these Updated inventories, we're going to keep updating the methodology so that we can have the most accurate Emissions summary. So that was one of the ones we saw that was an air from airport specifically in estimating our emissions In relation to the Denver airport Next slide So in terms of implications Our greatest opportunity is to continue the transition to a hundred percent renewable powered electricity as this inventory are Our mix was about thirty percent renewable energy and since this inventory has completed We are now at fifty percent renewable energy This also highlighted the need to focus on buildings not only transitioning to a hundred percent renewable powered energy for electricity but improving energy efficiency and then after that Work on transportation and we will also be coming to the board at a future meeting to discuss the equitable non-carbon Transportation roadmap and that staff have been working on the through sustainability tax funding this year to detail how we can meet the goals Detail in the transportation section of our sustainability plan and envision long And with that, thank you all and are there any other questions? Okay, thank you Francie. That was really a great presentation. I I Would like it if you could send that to the city council if that's possible, although Your explanation of all of it is kind of essential one specific question though ahead is as we try to Sorry As we try to tighten up buildings to make the more energy efficient We're also coming into problems with Sick buildings, you know what I mean in that there isn't as much ventilation and therefore People are getting sick because things are not being ventilated as much as they used to be My house is basically a tent, but it's built in 1941 so Are we thinking about the Cost of increasing ventilation systems and the additional cost that the additional Energy that's going to consume to increase ventilation to make up for the fact that we have tightened up the building envelope so that it's More energy efficient. Did I make that? Did I? Yep, that was very clear I also wanted to highlight before I answer your question That we will be bringing both the greenhouse gas inventory and the carbon-free Transportation plant at the same time to city council. So I will be oh, you're going to bring it. Okay, and when are you going to do that? I believe we have a tentative date in October, but we're still okay in the roadmap but I Annie noble when she presents the climate action task force will touch a little will highlight some of the results of this inventory and not go into Into it in depth, but city council will at least have that Yeah, then recommendations report Okay, just wait because Yeah We'll get it all at once, but that's that's really an excellent presentation and I found the the also the report that we got It was about 40 pages long that was also an excellent report. So thank you very much for All you're doing Good job. Thank you. And then to answer your other question Yes, ventilation is is essential if you're tightening up buildings I do not believe I I don't know if we've have done an extensive study on Costs of retrofitting buildings at this time to my knowledge I do believe that That should be factored in and I and my understanding is that it would be factored in when you update a building envelope you need to update The the ventilation but I see Tim just clicked on his camera. I have a better answer for you Oh, I have another answer I don't know if it's better, but yeah, you're absolutely right If you tighten up a building that can cause some significant health problems if Whoever's tightening your building does not also do an assessment on how to properly ventilate the dwelling or the business What they're supposed to do is to come up with a ventilation plan because really the bottom line is it's all about controlled versus uncontrolled ventilation in a leaky building It's old and you're losing heat and air conditioning and you you can't stop it if you have it controlled ventilation you still get actually better health benefits if it's properly set up because it Ventilates it correctly and in the areas it needs to in the volumes it needs to because it can be calculated to to have a certain amount of air turnovers per hour and It should be a healthier building if it's done right But that's you know part of what a contractor has to figure out if they're doing seal air sealing and insulation They also have to take into account the ventilation that impacts that are going to occur Yes Franti I had a question Do we do we know like of the so of reducing Co2 equivalent, let's say of buildings There's some part of it that is reducing the co2 production or co2 equivalent production of the energy that goes into the building And there's another part that's making the buildings more energy efficient Do what's the mix of that like how much can we actually gain by making the buildings more efficient? And how much is actually going to really be dependent upon us getting the our energy sources to that hundred percent renewable? So we do have a modeling Spreadsheet, so I'm going to pull that up now see if I can give you a quick answer From Transitioning to a hundred percent renewable is really what's going to get you the significant savings That's really when you start to see those large drops In usage is when you get closer to a hundred percent I'm not sure at what's the specific percentage where you start to see is it seventy five? I don't know where between Okay, and a hundred it is or thirty and a hundred the with having You can Sorry, I probably be best if I looked at this and then get back to you That'd be great at the same time You can definitely that But you'll make a building more efficient But if you have a you'll you'll lose some of your savings because you're having the electricity coming in that's not as Carbon-intensive so if we kept the same kind of carbon intensity increase the the you'd see More savings than when if or not but It it definitely is a contribution and I can get back to you on specific percentage. That'd be great That'd be great. Thank you. Adam. You had your hand. Oh, I'm sorry, Jim Yeah, I just wanted to give it just a broader perspective on that I think our you know our city goals around 1% per year energy efficiency And if you think about 1% per year going up to 2030 We're saving that much energy on our building And then we'll have to come up with the renewable energy to offset the rest So basically so it's going to be as Francie said it's it's mainly driven by the renewable energy That the carbon reductions are going to come from but we're you know we really want to make it more efficient because that saves everybody money and It's overall better even if you have 100% renewable You still want to drive energy efficiency to to keep the costs minimized as possible Yeah, there's a lot of great co-benefits to energy efficiency Adam you had a question Yes, thanks Francie for the presentation. I had a question related to Buildings and that is apart from their energy efficiency Does the methodology include how much how many how much emissions are generated with new builds? Like if you're building a new development That wasn't included in our inventory since I was just looking at 2019 that was included in our Modeling document and in our modeling document. We also looked at We also looked at projections of if we created Kind of like a net zero new building development and the impact of that as well as the electrification of new buildings when kind of seen for to help with strategy selection moving forward and Again So what the one thing I do have to say about new buildings is it's such a small percentage That you really start when looking at electrification or new code. It definitely helps but if we're looking at the overall impact of our buildings going forward the new buildings are going to are Gonna be a smaller percentage Compared to how many buildings already exist and then if so you might not see as New buildings and it's really important to make them efficient from the onset because it's more expensive to retrofit but you're not going to see as drastic savings of let's say making sure all new buildings are Really energy efficient and all-electric then if you were going to like retrofit like a Large portion of our current buildings and Mary Yeah, I just responding to Polly's question about sick buildings. This is just general information Here in Boulder County. We're kind of a center for the Building biology movement and there's quite a few different practitioners in the Boulder area who will Come and measure the levels of the volatile organic compounds in your home your Obviously, there's other folks who will measure the radon The CO2 of course You have to have leaders installed. I believe as part of code now. I'm not sure on your on your water heaters and you know, you're you're a gas Heaters, but I just wanted to make that information sort of put that information out there and that I can imagine that there's Savings over time with having building biology components Included like for example, if you need to have the perforated pipe underneath the slab prior to You know as you're building the house rather than going in and doing these retrofits later So I don't know if we're there and that's sort of a comprehensive look at on buildings It's not in building code. It's not just the carbon piece and I'm wondering if there's any place in the city government where That kind of a comprehensive look is taken at any sector Sort of looking at different aspects like that Or if that's something that might be Interesting to consider in looking at new building is that including a building biology component? I Do know I don't know. I'm not very familiar with the SES tool sustainability evaluation system But I know that was has been in the practice of being development first in development for certain development projects It is trying to do a certain whole kind of holistic approach for those of evaluating those I don't know how much those I think it's more for the impact of the development on the it's the local area than the The building itself But we do have a plan for updating our building codes in probably the next year or so So that that would be an opportunity to speak more on the the building biology that you were talking about Is there any place in the city where sorry to just finish my question where we could create a program where maybe there would be An emf meter of the OC meter The radar meter you can borrow that from the city Where homeowners could sort of borrow these and do some self-assessment and get some help with retrofit I'm gonna call on let's see Tim are the first one, but then both Polly and Annie were responding to that one directly So what we do Tim Tim Annie Polly, and then we're gonna have to move on to the next one I just I'll just be quick Some the building codes in general have a guideline on air changes per hour that is supposed to address issues like that But as as homes, you're right as homes become tighter. There are other emissions that are Useful to really take a look at like radon and things that are local specific and important that Should be taking consideration, but really the the building codes the building codes are the area that usually Guide gives guidance on that those issues. Thanks, Tim Annie did you know I just wanted to point out that We have radon detectors and co2's hectares at the library that are right We've recently purchased quite a few more so I know that I've checked them out and they're pretty easily available now Annie we got a really good little VOC reader for seventy five dollars. It got really great Reviews from the experts. Maybe the library could get ahold of that. I'll just send you the NFL so you can look into it It'll be great to add to the library's collection. Okay. Thank you. Thank you Polly and then we're gonna move. I think we're gonna need to move on to the next next item Yeah, I was gonna point out the library radon detector although You know, you have to use that for a while and I believe the one at the library is the two-week meter and if you get it and Of course detecting radon depends upon the season and many many other things but about a good proportion of Call Colorado Homes something like 35 or 40 percent have radon In substantial doses. I just got my house mitigated But the the one you want to get probably is the long-term one that you have out for six months That will give you a better reading much better reading we also have energy smart and They will do an energy audit and they will also test for different things not just leaks and stuff like that But they will also give you tests and advice. So We do have a lot of opportunities and we do look at of code upgrades every year But remember every time we upgrade the code it costs people more to build Houses and then it costs people more to buy the houses and less people can't afford to live here. So there has to be a balance between a code that is so Difficult that no one can Fix their house or afford to live here I'd rather see the city have tools Available like at the library where folks yes self-assessment. Yeah, and maybe I know the city doesn't usually keep Contractors on retainer, but some Arrangement where a building biologist can come in for less than a most ridiculous price if there's any way the city could facilitate You might talk to The people at energy smart that's a county program. So, okay. Thanks, Holly. Yeah, okay. Thank you very much Francie I think we're gonna have to move on to our next general business item, which is Audara news rot Who's going to be talking about? sustainability tax Yeah, you're a little soft, I'm a little soft. I'll speak a bit more loudly. Oh, that's that's perfect. Okay, great Well, thank you very much everybody I'm pleased to be here. My name is atta and as rats I'm the new sustainability grant and program coordinator being here as of April 2020. You can go to the next slide That's me. So I'm on a steep learning curve I'm happy to present and to learn here So I'm going to be giving you an overview of the sustainability tax, which I believe this board Approved for last year the programs that we have running currently and we are seeking your input for Programs that we want to put forward for funding for 2021 Next slide Okay, so first of all, we are currently funding five projects in 2020 We received a hundred and twenty five thousand dollars from bowler County and provided a 25% match The two first line items the grant coordinator and the residential program coordinator We're combined into one position and I'm currently occupying that position The following was the carbon-free transportation roadmap, which Francie alluded to I believe we just received the draft report from the consultants, which is a hundred plus page report The WIC farmers market the women infant and children's farmers market has received $10,000 and I believe they've expended that funding We have received the report and they said that they serve 486 families through their curbside pickup program Including over 700 children and a further 150 families through their on-street market in Longmont, which opened up after May 30th They also reported that farmers have seen over 23,000 dollars in sales as a result of this program The neighborhood impact granting program that was launched this summer as well Um It is also synonymous with the sustainable neighborhood solutions initiative and I'll talk about that a little bit later but but this program is effectively distributes funding to community Based projects initiated by at the local neighborhood level for sustainability programs to make improvements locally and it's a it's a new partnership with the with the city And we provided $32,000 cash match against all of these programs So next slide please So moving forward to 2021 As you all know the climate emergency resolution october kicked off the whole climate action task force And the report that was generated and these are the recommendations summarized from that report the 27 Distributed across six main categories So as we think about what kind of sustainability tax Funds we want to to use in our projects going forward We want to make sure that they are in alignment with whatever the city chooses to pursue In relationship to these recommendations And as mentioned earlier in the presentation that Annie Noble is going to be presenting um On august 25th next tuesday, and I believe the count city council will be voting on these recommendations So whatever the outcome of that meeting isn't going forward will Be a framing context for us in terms of considering what kind of priorities gaps needs We want to put forward for funding for the sustainability tax for next year so next slide So these are the framing um conditions for 2021 So as I just mentioned the sustainability the The city focus on climate action And how they will move forward what direction they will take will influence what we want to pursue There's a possible reduction in funding from bowler county I did speak with a bowler county staff recently and they are aiming to provide the same Amount so we received 125 000 in 2020 So I think we can safely assume that we'll receive somewhere between 115 to 125 000 for next year Probably closer to the full amount because then I think that's what they had originally Aimed to do So with that money we want to meet some of the existing commitments So the grant and program coordinator position was budgeted for two years So that's 50 000 from the grant funding money that needs to be allocated there And the neighborhood impact granting program There are a number of factors that will influence how much funding will be available for that for next year Some of that will relate to funds distributed this year and how much may be able to get rolled forward So that's an unknown But essentially that leaves us with between 65 000 and 75 000 to consider for projects for 2021 Next slide please So what we want to do with you is to identify gaps and needs to prioritize We have some suggestions that are based on what we have identified as a team the sustainability team And alongside the city's priorities and lens. We also want to ensure that we bring Um, the following lenses to the projects that we identify So we want to ensure our projects strength and equity accessibility Support immediate needs and impact from COVID So that's an extra layer of criteria that we want to apply To the programs that you want to fund and these are the Four different topic areas that we're considering community engagement adaptation resilience expansion of existing programs and workforce development And then you'll see that these map against the six Categories set the climate action task force also recommended So next slide please So I'll go through each one of these areas in turn So for community engagement um Our manager who you will be very familiar with Lisa Knoblock She had identified Gaps in the our own capacity as a team for the sustainability team and to meet The objectives for Addressing climate impacts in an equitable fashion We feel that there is a need for a community engagement and equity specialists So they would be supporting sustainability and climate action implementation This position could be either part time or full time And especially in light of COVID where we can't reach as many people at the moment And we certainly can't reach people in ways that they would like to be reached potentially um, this is actually very timely and um In order to actually Produce outcomes which demonstrate equity We need somebody to be able to be in that position to reach underrepresented communities So this is one of the needs that we've identified second one adaptation resilience um, we want to be able to map the vulnerability and risk across long one to communities So we want to be able to understand the Climate impact and the risks by a geographic by a geographical area and overlay the demographics Over that data So we will need to see for where are the heat islands? And how are people being affected? What kind of needs do the community have to address these impacts? And um identified potential recommendations So if you could um, oh the last bullet point I'm not very familiar with this but you may be more familiar to you all because this was discussed last year A low income tree program Um, I believe it was Brett and Natalie Board members that may have raised this program last year So this would be a potential option to explore in relationship to this So if you could go to the next slide, this is a climate vulnerability map at the state level And some of you may be familiar with this kind of um software So you have overlays where you can select a climate hazard whether that be drought, blood, wildfire or all of them The climate scenario, whether we're looking at current climate moderate um A deterioration of the climate or a severe deterioration of the climate and then a population scenario where you're looking at the current population Or a slight increase a slight growth or moderate growth or high growth So those are just examples of overlays that you can actually Perform with these kind of vulnerability maps But what we're interested in is well, this is very well at the state level But we want to be able to see at the city level and the neighborhood level And there there is software available to be able to do that We should be very useful for us to then actually help plan Projects that address climate vulnerability and the community needs So this is something that we're particularly interested in Um, there is a possibility that we might be able to apply to go-co the great outdoors colorado funding initiative in the fall for this Particular project, um, or we could supplement it if we have more funds with this link The next one um, our third Option identified is expanding existing programs So i'm sure some of you will be familiar with uh care the low-income energy efficiency program by I'm I forget the terminology. I think it's outreach colorado Uh And I know there's another program called care res by longmont, but um, these are slightly different So this is the home upgrades program. I believe this is currently on hold because of covid So people aren't going into these homes Um, sol is a sustainable opportunities lifestyle and leadership program that has been launched this summer and um, it is similar to care, but it goes further in Helping a longmont residents Identify cost-saving initiatives across energy water and other sustainable behavior Areas and also connecting people with some of the services available both in the city such as efficiency works such as the the radon testers that you mentioned in um The the library and we will also be providing upgrades So I believe one of the upgrades is a radon self um testing kit Where the resident can then mail the kit afterwards once the actual um self assessment is done So that's one of the things we're actually thinking we're providing with with our visits um And in addition to that we want to support people and just becoming more familiar with What kind of sustainable behaviors they may already be pursuing that they may not term sustainable But they actually are and so we want to empower people in that way and then also I'm connecting them with city services Um, I'm involved with that program so I can say a little bit more about it And then the sustainable neighborhood solutions program. I mentioned earlier it's synonymous with the neighborhood impact granting program where Neighborhood groups can apply for funding for sustainable programs in their local area and partner with the city So for all of these programs, we would need to confirm staff capacity But uh, we feel that these are Important programs that you obviously want to continue the next slide The workforce development again, this was identified in the climate action task force report and I believe The force supported the generation of a green workforce um The idea would be to support climate action related to our workforce needs But given the uncertainty right now of which direction the city may take Or we may want to wait until the next cycle when there's more information available about What the priorities will be from the city and what we can do to support that But that's still um an important option, especially in light of COVID-19 Where the economy is obviously hitting people and people need support in relationship to on work So let me go to the next slide, please So in terms of what we're asking of the board today is to brainstorm some of these ideas that we put forward Um, we would take back your input to the city council leadership Leadership to ensure that it aligns with the city's plans and priorities Um, after that, we will report back to you on the next sustainability advisory Sustainable advisory board meeting in october Potentially for your approval and offer letter for support and then we'll submit that in between september 14th and october 23rd And once we have funding then we'll take the idea to the council for final approval So that's the process going forward. So at this point We've received input from the sustainability for the Longmont sustainability coalition And we're seeking your input and then we will take that to council and move it forward from there So if you could go to the next slide I'm just summarizing the four different areas that I went through So the community engagement and equity specialist to address climate impact in an equitable fashion and conduct outreach The climate vulnerability risk mapping project Which will really allow us to zone in on climate risks And impacts in Longmont at a city level and neighborhood level and identify priorities for community needs Expanding the existing programs that we have the care program Solve program and the sustainable neighborhoods solutions program and then workforce development as recommended by their climate action task force So those are the four areas and of course we welcome suggestions that are not included there Which you feel that we should be considering and prioritizing in addition so I'm I I take it to to the board to Discuss how to move forward with this if you want to discuss all four items now Um, ideally we would be wonderful if we could prioritize The items that I mentioned and any additional ones that you would like to consider And then we'll be able to take that forward to council So, um, that's the end of my presentation Great, uh, thank you. Thank you very much. Um, I guess I guess I'd like to ask the rest of the board about how We would feel most comfortable preceding given we technically have 12 minutes left of this meeting And uh, and I know that for some of us some of these are rather expansive And we could probably have a lot of uh things to share So I guess I'd just like to ask the rest of the board members What kind of level we would feel comfortable with engaging with us right now? Uh, before we we have one more item on the on the uh To and I'm not sure how long this can be but we have one more item But I just want to make sure that people feel comfortable with the amount of time and thought that they have Molly um I um I'm not sure whether we can legally do this because of the sunshine law But perhaps we could all have a um an online discussion of I'm pretty sure we can't do this but Of suggestions that we would like to see brought forward for this Um, since this is coming up the sustainability tax discussion is coming up Um, because I think it is timely right now. Um But uh, that's my suggestion that we we just offer What our preferences would be um, I I don't understand. Um, and forgive me for not having done this research myself But I don't understand the status of the sustainability tax period um You know, when was it initiated? Um, what's the level of it? What is it currently being used to fund? And I don't think we can possibly do justice to this in 12 minutes or whatever it's going to take um, I don't want to um, I don't think it would be at all fair to a giraffe for Or find work to try to cram it in um Is there anything that we can do in terms of the sunshine law in terms of a a written um a Forum discussion where all comments are written and then that becomes part of public record Is that something the city has ever considered as an additional sort of a dendome to this meeting? So something that you all could do is decide Vote to have somebody make a motion and a second and then a vote To hold a special meeting that would be noticed to the public and where they would be invited to attend as well But that would allow us to have extra Discussion time. We would just need to let people know We would need to know specifically what that meeting would be for since it would be a special meeting You could only talk about the discussion items that are proposed on that agenda Okay, um, since we're still in discussion. Nobody has proposed this yet I um don't want to dishonor the many. Um, I want to honor the many community members and larger community members who Uh presented their public invited to be heard comments and since uh smart metering is part of um the uh discussion on the um On the sustainability tax, perhaps That's one of the issues that we could bring up in the special meeting to talk about I don't know So that's not actually part of our agenda for today and public invited to be heard comments are just received by the committee And then um, that's really all that is done with it If the board decided later on to talk about that topic at a separate meeting Then that would be something that would need to be discussed for the work plan So, um, could I just clarify if we did want to have a second meeting just specifically to Discuss the sustainability tax. What is the timeline again? Where it would be useful for us to do that? And it would need to be fairly soon because the application Window is between september 14th and at flyby 23rd and it needs to go to council or review prior to submission of application Okay, but it's not like uh, we have to do it by next week I don't think so. No, paulie. Paulie looks like maybe next week Any might be able to comment any do you have a sense of the best timeline for that? I'm concerned that we just this kind of this presentation and if we wait x number of months We just have to hear that presentation again and um, but then again, we're also sort of in the august doldrum So Do we really want to add this to a schedule when people are on vacation and so forth? Sorry any you were gonna speak Yeah, I was just going to say that I will be presenting the climate action task force recommendations to council On august 25th, which is next tuesday and that might help provide some context For this board on what the council priorities are okay, um Sorry people drag racing down my street. Um, I guess, uh, I guess I mean, I guess an idea then is that I I agree. I don't want to wait too long to discuss this but perhaps um I feel that I would need more than the time I know I've wasted a lot of time discussing this But I feel like I'd need more time than we really realistically have now to digest and think about it. So, um I don't necessarily need to be the one to move to do it, but I would prefer perhaps that we schedule a dedicated Uh separate meeting outside of our normal since we missed a couple will still be on average for 12 for the year so we can maybe, uh, schedule a separate one once we've had Once you've had time to to digest this a little bit more Can I ask you a quick question on how much time do you need for public notice of a meeting? Oh, great question. We have to have 72 hours Oh, okay. That's pretty quick. So or is it 24 poly? That's 48 72 is reasonable for the public though. I prefer that we do that just out of courtesy Usually what I do for our meetings on wednesday is I posted the friday before so we have plenty of notice But I think technically it's 24 hours Okay, um our our next official meeting is on uh september 16th so um, I would uh I'll throw it out as an idea that the first week of september which The first is on a tuesday the fourth is on a friday that we uh try to schedule a meeting for that week With that before I move to do it and get shot down with that, uh, would that be reasonable and people hunt me down? Um second second your motion. Oh, okay. I didn't move. I will move now I will move that we that we have uh that we create a an additional meeting during the first week of september to discuss the sustainability attacks And just that because I know everybody's busy and we don't want it to get too expensive And in that meeting, uh, we will there be able to have uh To learn what the council's priorities are because annie will be presenting with them next week So we'll have time to do that. We'll have time to digest The information but not so much that we forget the entire discussion and So voting Mary will you still second will you still second that much? I'm seconding. Yeah, okay great uh all in favor All right All right, it's unanimous And now we just have to make heather do all the work to so annie is a comment. Oh, yeah, annie. I'm sorry I'm waiting to be acknowledged. Sorry I just wanted to say that it might be helpful if we send you a copy of the council communication That we went out last year that kind of describes the whole history of That would be wonderful That would be wonderful prior to that meeting and it would be helpful if you could read that Yes, yes, that would be that would be wonderful. Thank you annie Also for one one note of um clarification for that meeting is wednesday a good day for you guys at 330 It's fine with me Yeah, it's fine with me cody Adam, okay Thank you so much. All right. Um, well then uh, if uh, thank you adora Appreciate that and we'll see you in a few weeks. I guess Uh, um, so the final issue the final uh general business item that we have is a button rock preserve management plan update with daniella fine um Danielle that um Okay, well, I just wanted to um touch base with sustainability board and Uh, let you know where we are with the button rock management plan process um We we are nearing the end of this two-year project and um Part of our public outreach has been staying in touch with the sustainability board the parks and rec advisory board and the water board And so this weekend last i've been meeting with advisory boards to give you the results of our third public survey so just to Remind you where we are We started this project in february 2019 And it and it to look At button rock preserve and gather baseline data and get a sense of what what condition the natural resources are in What's going on in terms of visitor use and so this is going to be Uh, a management plan looking at all those items um, our first public meeting was in june 2019 and then our second public meeting was november 2019 where we heard um Summaries of what was gathered in terms of natural resources in the field the data that was gathered uh, and then We hope to have a third public meeting in october of this year. It's going to look a little different It'll probably be online. Um, so that is still being worked out the other public outreach that we have done is We've got we've conducted three public surveys Um, and so our third one was ran through may through august And um instead of being able to have it both at the trailhead and online We only had it online, but we had um good turnout for the survey. We had 831 respondents That's compared to 1000 some respondents for our second public survey when we were able to use multiple methods to reach people So so i'm here today to just go through the results Of the public survey and answer any questions that you might have So first of all, um None of the questions are required. So not all of the uh, respondents answered every question. So to question one, where are you from? 160 people skipped it, but of those that answered 74 percent were from long months Question two to alleviate parking at the preserve. Would you ride a shuttle? 72 percent no 28 percent yes Three the goals of button rock are to one protect our drinking water supply to protect surrounding ecosystems including healthy forests Three provide sustainable recreational opportunities Research indicates that when humans are accompanied by dogs both on and off trail their area of influence noise Sunt trash increases significantly impacting wildlife behavior and movement How would you feel if a no dog policy was instituted? Um, only two people skip this question 64 of those responding Strongly disagreed with a no dog policy 25 strongly agreed with it 11 felt neutral Question four beginning in 2021 staff recommends eliminating the button rock fishing permit and fee Once in effect anglers will only need to carry a state license instead of both a button rock permit and a state license Do you agree with this recommendation? Again, only two people skip this and 48 percent strongly disagree with getting rid of the button rock permit 30 Are neutral and 22 strongly agree with getting rid of it Five visitation is overwhelming the preserve parking lot restroom staff trails Staff recommends dispersing use and limiting overall visitor numbers cars people's dogs By charging a fee on fridays saturdays and sundays between memorial day and labor day. Do you agree with this strategy? 55 percent yes 28 percent maybe 17 percent no And then you'll see Sorry, do we have a second page of the yeah, thank you So check check out that little chart there that's got the green and the orange This is how it was presented the options So so These are redundant options, you know, but it gets the sense of who residents are and what they might want in terms of their Demographic or their preferences. So the first option was a daily pass paid per time you go 35 Would would choose the daily pass 26 percent would choose an annual pass pay annually um And and those are the prices they're split out by utility customer and non customer And then another 27 percent for the annual pass who would be in the senior or disabled category and then 12 percent doesn't support doing this and Dispersing or limiting visitors in this way and then These are still being compiled. So I can't get into the specifics of some of the comments that people mentioned, but um This is just a summary of There the people who commented there were 131 written responses most people were talking about dogs then hiking fees parking trails fishing cars and bikes and so now I Open it up to you for questions Holly last year Um Or several years ago the ranger came and spoke to us and He was cleaning up 250 pounds of dog poop every day and so we limited. I mean, this is just ridiculous, but If he hadn't said that how would we know, you know This is the effect that people have. I mean that dogs have and you know, it's We were all we all love dogs, but um So we eliminated all but one dog, I believe So now we're talking about eliminating all dogs Is that an idea Yes, I'm not sure that that survey together. Yeah Yeah, well, yeah, if I remember correctly the the ranger talked about how a lot of people who ran like dog walking services would take Yes a dozen dogs up there with them and not Clean up and yeah And they they were running free so that yeah They're chasing down the deer and every you know, it's just yeah So the rule that you um adopted the temporary rule while this management plan was going on Was to put in place one dog per person on a leash with a pickup bag So that's what's been going on Since may of 2019 and has that had a good effect Yeah Anecdotally from the temporary ranger that we have up there now. Yes, that's had a good effect and most people are Are obeying that that um interim rule There's only a few offenders the repeat offenders Yeah, in in terms of especially people lighting their dogs off leash in the meadow area. Yeah Um, and we're seeing this from wildlife camera footage Yeah, well, that's good to know Yeah, but you know people get very riled up about their dogs. It's like we It's the same as if we had a no child role You know, it really is to them. It's this is their buddy and they wanted to take a walk with their buddy and I I get that but Your body causes a lot of problems too. So I am very very glad though that we did Institute, uh, just one dog because yes, I've seen that too. You've got somebody Six dogs. There were lots of people like that and that's just crazy. So Mary Um, yes, I uh, I want to weigh in about the fishing license. Um, what is the impact of that? Do we need the extra funds? Is it worth it to the hat the extra hassle and the small amount of money that we get from each, um A resident who applies for it. Can we just kind of get rid of that in the spirit of being more generous to community members? So, um, about the fishing license this survey, um, was designed to be on a postcard at the trailhead So not all details could be captured in these questions and I didn't want to write Story questions, but but the the problem here is that it doesn't capture all the information Um So the the money that is collected from these fishing licenses Doesn't actually go back into button rock. That's one point The the second point is that, um When when we had One ranger up there, it is a it is a big administrative duty to Deal with these permits and go and collect them and deal with the money and and work the whole program all year long On top of other ranger duties when we're short staffed. So that was another but the a huge reason for this, um Idea of eliminating the permits is because cpw would like to stock Stock the reservoirs and the creek and will will do so more and create, um More recreational fishing if we do go ahead and eliminate this this permit. So for those reasons So for those reasons staff was suggesting eliminating it and then the final point is that In in all the years leading up to now, we hadn't been selling out of the permits Right. So like they weren't They weren't limiting Users and only those users were fishing and we were um helping control Angler population we weren't selling out of them this year. Um, kovat has been a bit of an exception. Um But Those are all the reasons behind this question and this suggestion from staff Okay So, I mean, I don't we're not are we taking any formal votes? I recommend that we say get rid of that Um, and um that we get rid of it. Can we just I can I make a motion? So that was that was my question. Actually, sorry mary. That was my question. Actually, is it is there something that as a board we need to Thumb up thumb down or even give an official recommendation for Not not at not at this time. I'm here to inform you I do want to um, let you know that we'll be back in front of the boards and counsel with A draft document and some of these These decision points more formalized. This survey Was meant to put out to the public and get what are Probably some of the most contentious visitor issues. Some of the most controversial ones Out there and and gather the data and and and let you know about it. And then we're going to come back and um Do this again. And so then Yes, we'd like to get a recommendation from this board on various points, but not at this meeting Okay, and I have one more question um, there's a really big difference between the one dog people and the six dog professional walker people And um, I know this has come up in other places. I cannot remember where but Uh, the two dog people are They seem to be I live, um, right, um near, um Um, one of our fine little parks and there seems to be as many two dog walkers on leashes as there are one dog walkers and I'm wondering if making an exception because there are so many people that Just really want to be able to bring their whole family, which is two dogs I'm wondering what percentage of the local dog owners are two dog owners And if that actually would make that much of a difference in terms of the mess if we changed it that much Don't have that answer, but I would like to um Point out in question three if we can pull that up again. I'd like to point out to this board. Um Just that when we're talking about these visitor use issues at Button Rock, um They are they are contained in, um The third the third goal for the preserve so Number one in big big bold letters is to protect our drinking water supply And protect that local watershed And and and number two goal for the button rock preserve and why it's a preserve and why we call it a preserve is To protect the surrounding ecosystems including healthy forests That also protects our our water supply and then way down third third reason for the preserve and and something that we offer To our public is passive recreational opportunities at the preserve And so, um, I just this context is important to keep in mind when we're looking at all of these issues Great. Well, thank you very much Danielle. Um, uh, oh, yeah Yeah, thank you. Daniel. One question I have is regarding potential bias in the survey I'm concerned that regarding the shuttle usage that might be looked Upon not so favorably given that that was right after covid or during covid So people are probably not so inclined to want to take a sort of public transportation That's a good point. Um, this survey was written and designed before the pandemic But you're right. Um, we don't have any plans to develop a shuttle system in the near future It's costly. It's got a lot of things associated with it. However, we did Want to take the opportunity during this management plan process to collect this data But yes, now we need to put an asterisk by it and say People were answering this question During the summer of the pandemic That's a very good point Are there any other questions? Uh for Danielle Okay, thank you very much Danielle. Um, we were now on to other business Which doesn't have any subheadings. Thank you, Danielle We're now into other business which has no subheadings I have two I have two comments on other business Um, I think uh, so we're items from the board Okay, sorry. Yeah, that'll be that'll be in a In two Sorry Um, I don't know who other businesses necessarily from actually, but um, we don't have any other business We don't have any other business. Okay, so we do have two items from staff So just the first one is the Pharmaceutical take back event is october 24th. And this is really just an informational item That that event actually is going to be at longmont united hospital. This happens every year To help keep the pharmaceuticals out of our Treated water system and stuff like that so They are actually going to do a car drop-off event this year instead of taking it into the building due to the pandemic They're just going to have you drop it off at the longmont united hospital from your car so And then the other one the additional information and correspondence Were attachments that were included in your packet for today's meeting Okay great So items from board. I know mary would have an item from the board Would you like to I'll just say some very quickly What is our plan for revisiting the um, the climate action plan? I um I I think that the um, it would be much stronger if there if it was more research based that was one of my comments in our in the As we went through it last month And um, I think it would be great for the folks who Have just joined the board to be able to look at it as well And the second item I guess is related to this because when paulie brought up it was related Is there still a plan to make this board a commission? and if we were a commission would that make us responsible for some of these plans in terms of Having them live with us and be a home. I think that maybe that's three different issues, but Having been on the board for a year. I would like to I would like to clarify the the second two as well Annie it looks like you had some um, yeah, so I just um, I guess wanted to Let you know what my intentions are as far as presenting to council so The council communication should be out and you should have it available. I think um You know, it's publicly available And so you could see how I described the climate action task force And I have proposed next steps in that council communication that I'll be presenting to council on tuesday night. So What my hope is On tuesday when I go through the board comments with council That the council feels ready to take a look at all the recommendations of the climate action task force and Either accept the recommendations reject the recommendations or request further analysis on some of the recommendations And then our proposed next step is to take the recommendations that council has accepted And do an analysis of those recommendations. So look at The cost impacts the greenhouse gas reduction potential staff You know resources needed and kind of do a further analysis of all the climate action task force recommendations that council has approved And and bring that back to council at some point in time with a proposed prioritization and certainly There's opportunity for the sustainability advisory board to weigh in As we do that process, but I just wanted you to understand what i'm proposing to council Don't know what council's motion is going to be or how they're going to view it, but Essentially what we wanted is for council to take a look at all the recommendations And decide which ones they want to move forward with And some might require further analysis like some might be rejected. Some they might say look at them all Evaluate them see what the cost impacts are see what, you know, the greenhouse gas impact impacts are so that you know Emily could kind of have a better understanding of What what level of effort it's going to take to kind of weave these into different city work plans So I don't know if that makes sense, but um I think there is opportunity so it sounds that some of it is going to come back to us um So the second part of my question was to follow up on what poly had to say about This um board becoming a commission and if so that would change our responsibility for having a more formal sort of pass or Authorization, you know authority over the life cycle of these plans These various plans that come through it here It's probably still with us. Yes just as you had to um Ask city council to change your name And city council approved that and you you had to ask city council to get rid of their prohibition on you discussing Anything that council hadn't given you permission to discuss which was previously the case 10 years ago or Seven years ago You would have to ask for this to become a commission and you'd have to Make a case for that and to me The climate action plan Is a case for that and having A much harder your Sustainability plan a much harder year sustainability department All of which lisa and francy and Everybody in and annie have all been working on Um, it's a good argument for that but that that's something that this board has to decide upon and build an argument for So and I think that's a good idea. I would like to propose that we put that on the agenda for Um, the next can I make an emotion that we put that on the agenda to to discuss? in our next meeting I believe Heather I believe you can make a motion to put it on a future agenda. Okay. I'm going to make the motion that we put that on a future agenda I will second that motion So all in favor I All right, sweet Okay, thank you. Um, and then uh, pauli, but we will go back to you one more time if there are any items from council Uh, well I think there'll be a lot of things coming up if it will be Okay, really discussing like next week. We'll see annie and um, so that'll be really interesting I'm gonna suggest to the city council that they actually watch this meeting because we we really had a A very extensive discussion on many many things that are um that we've acted on like button rock and yet, you know These uh, this is something that city council needs to I think take the time to educate themselves on and now that um uh Long-matt public media is filming everything and recording everything and there's really no excuse for them not to Make an effort to educate themselves on some of the issues that are going up at some of these meetings But it of course it takes A huge amount of time. I mean I'm already on I don't know five or six boards and then if I try to watch all the other boards that everybody else is on it's Impossible, but you know that's our job You paid the big bucks pauli. Yeah, that's right eight thousand dollars a year for 80 hours a month Anyway, big four figures. Well, thanks for your sporting of this meeting pauli But um, I do think that uh Yeah, I don't I don't see any any uh A lot of what we're doing right now has to do with Is concerned with cobit and just to remind everybody who doesn't know this council gave emergency powers to the City manager who runs the city anyway, you know the council does not really run the city the city manager Runs the city with the city attorney in this and the the uh judge Who we hire but um So lots of cobit stuff going on and but we're doing well. So that's really important because None of this will Improve until we get cobit under Better control, but boulder county is doing very well right Okay, thank you very much. Um, and I believe that brings us to a uh, I will move to adjourn the meeting second All in favor of adjourning. Hi Hi Awesome, I realized just as an aside we forgot to have adam and charles introduce themselves So that's how we'll start next meeting if that's okay. Can charles introduce his auxiliary board member the black fluffy one Yes, so at the start of next meeting, uh, we'll make sure that we actually do proper introductions. I apologize for that Great. Okay. Everyone. Have a good night. Thanks. Bye. Bye. Bye. Thank you