 This morning to more Hamlin remains in critical condition. We're waiting and hopeful for good news today will be joined by a counseling psychologist in sports mental health expert. Do not miss that it's valuable important information. Plus we'll get the very latest from Buffalo with Bill sideline reporter Sal Capaccio. Grateful for him for making time this morning. And here's the very latest to more Hamlin remains in critical condition. We did get a call for what must be called optimism last night. According to Josh Reid who's the sports director at W. I. V. B. and Buffalo and others Hamlin is still in the ventilator. His uncle confirmed that he's gone from requiring 100 percent oxygen to 50 percent. That's a sign of some significant positive improvement. And this morning. Coley Harvey of ESPN said this he just chatted with DeMar Hamlin's family friend who's been making the rounds on social media keeping all of his fans updated. We thank Jordan for that. That cannot be easy. That must be exhausting. And he's carrying quite a burden. So we appreciate you. Jordan. He said there's a beautiful change that per Jordan and his family doctors overnight got promises promising readings that they have been hoping to see by the morning. Jordan couldn't go into specifics but progress appears to be made. And that is certainly different from where we're sitting here yesterday morning to kick off the show. And we you know want to hear updates. We'll hopefully hear them throughout today's program. And we have some great guests to keep us updated and to to begin to heal and not even heal just contextualize sort of what we experienced on Monday with some of these players experienced. And what hasn't changed from last time I saw you is that the outpouring of support the collective compassion is trifold. It is exponentially grown since 24 hours ago. It is a really powerful and beautiful thing. It's happening. It's what I talked about yesterday. Fans are continuing to comfort one another. There are conversations about humanity and hope and actions. The GoFundMe for Hamlin's charity has now surpassed six million dollars. You have NFL owners and stars like Tom Brady and a doll in making big sizable donations. That's compassion. They're suddenly just one NFL team. Isn't there. It's made up of players. It's made up of fans. It's made up of ownership. It's made up of most of the media and they and we as this one team all focused on one thing and that's the life of Damar Hamlin. He continues to fight some signs of optimism. All the prayers all the thoughts have to continue. We got to do right by hand. He's a positive force. We talked about it yesterday and will of course continue to do that here. Now most teams cancel their coaches media availability understandably as no one is thinking about football. Really think about that. Yesterday I have Mark Ingerman and he was answering questions and it was a beautiful conversation. And then when I said take me to your next snap it was as if I asked something he had not a football player someone who only thinks about football wired that way for years. Bama years in the league Pro Bowls all he's football stunned to be asked about football even even thought about what that might be. It really took him off guard and it was meaningful if you're really paying attention to those things because none of that matters. None of that matters right now. And I love seeing even the media even Peter King saying slow down. Let's wait for information. And we're all just circled around this one thing kind of like the Bengals and the Bills fans circled around to Mark Hamlin out there on the field on Monday night. Coaches didn't talk. They didn't have to talk. It got canceled. Some did. And I loved this moment from someone to talk about a lot on the show. Mike Tomlin yesterday was a personal relationship with Hamlin. Man it's a really personal thing for me. Being a Pittsburgh and that young man being a Pittsburgh I've known that guy probably since he was about 12. Just got a lot of respect and love for him as a human being his commitment to the pursuit of his goals and dreams of doing what it is he's doing right now which is playing in the NFL and to watch him make personal decisions and make that a realization. It's just an honor to get to know young people like that. I was asked yesterday in an interview and I was sort of I had not thought about it. Who should we look to for leadership right now. Who should we look to. Should we look at you know the NFL who should we look at. And I hadn't really thought about it to be honest but my answer was coaches. It was McDermott and Taylor on Monday night and I do think it's going to be the Tomlin's the Vrables. He also spoke yesterday as well. It will be those coaches and anyone who helps foster an environment environment of what we're seeing right now which is vulnerability which is not exactly synonymous with NFL. NFL players NFL culture and if that shirts changed a little hasn't changed that much. Vulnerability is something that is sort of new that we're seeing and swallowing here that's permeating around the NFL world and really think about that. It's not the league. I said I didn't say the P.A. I'm not saying look to the media for leadership. I'm really looking at those coaches and anyone who wants to foster a place where people can come deal heal and have solutions and strategies on coping on how to make improvements going forward and can be heard. And so as we sit here and continue to up to you on tomorrow and continue to send our thoughts to him and his family as mother Nina to all the bangles and bills all the fans who are at home watching. We have not stopped thinking about this. I have not stopped thinking about this and this week as we do these shows I find myself learning about myself. I thought I find myself saying well we have to do something. The question what can we do was the first thing that I asked in our emergency production call that we had Monday while this was going on. What what are we going to do. And yesterday while we had guests on the show like Peter King. I'm thinking what I'm asking him what can we do better as a media group covering this. To me it's my coping mechanism. I think I've realized over the past 48 hours I'm an action person. I want control. I want to feel like I'm doing things. And I really think a lot of us out there feel that way. And we're hearing a lot about please provide mental health and we're seeing it in memos from the NFL. And what that might mean for these players for these coaches and for these fans and what the experience was like on Monday night. So this morning our guest is a counseling psychologist a sports mental health expert and the founder CEO of the sports mental health wellness playbook. Please welcome Dr. T. M. Robinson Mosley Dr. Mosley. Thank you for making time today. Good morning. Thank you for having me. Thank you for being here. How are you. I am I'm tired and concerned about tomorrow but I'm hopeful. That's beautifully said. I saw your tweet. I was looking at your Twitter feed this morning from the game and you said stop the game and you had a lot. It was all capitals. It was all exclamation parts. Can you take me through what you were thinking when that happened. Immediately when we saw the injury my wife is actually has a background in sports medicine. She practices medicine and immediately kind of identified. This looks like cardiac arrest. And from that moment the immediate thought was how do we immediately get help out to him. And then it shifted very quickly to recognizing that all of us that were watching including everyone there just witnessed a traumatic event and what we needed to do in that moment both to support Damar and his family with our thoughts our prayers and our actions but also what we need to do to take care of ourselves. We found out yesterday obviously your thoughts are with Damar above all else but you said traumatic event so you're saying everyone out there watching went through a trauma. Is that fair. Absolutely. Witnessing a traumatic event and when we think about trauma it's simply the emotional response that occurs after we've experienced something distressing. So witnessing that is indeed incredibly traumatic and what happens when we see something that is emotionally distressing. I can't stress this enough is that we then also have a physiological psychological mental and emotional response to that. And after seeing this what is really normal is feeling a combination of intense fear feeling overwhelmed feeling angry feeling numb sometimes feeling all of these things at once also feeling very confused because our brains are trying to make sense of what we just saw and it is grappling and really struggling to understand what's happening. So in the aftermath of witnessing a traumatic event whether kind of immediately or even the days following it will be really common to experience intrusive thoughts kind of replaying what happened having flashbacks or nightmares difficulty sleeping. It's really hard to concentrate. You may be really dazed. It's also not uncommon to feel this in our bodies. So headaches GI issues having a stomach ache. It can be really challenging for us to do regular tasks that we typically would do. And so that is something I want to impress upon folks is that it's normative to have this response is actually more unusual not for us to be impacted as you've I think really eloquently stated your process but also voicing how many other people are feeling the same way. Well Doc I came to terms of that on the phone with you yesterday and in about 20 seconds I was like this is how I cope with trauma. I say I'm not going to actually feel the trauma. I'm going to move past it blow past it and say where's my checkbook. Let me write the donation. And that's not necessarily is that a bad thing because there's so many people taking action right now as part of their soothing process. We all cope differently and the way that we cope is going to be unique to who we are as people. What trauma often does to us when we witness it or experience it unfortunately is this element of losing control feeling helpless feeling hopeless. So your example of having directed action is actually a really healthy way of coping because it allows us to identify what's within my control. What can I do because there are a lot of things I can't do. But I'm focusing on what I can control and how I can impact the situation to make it better both for me and the people around me. So I think there is really this really great quality around how do I show up in a moment. It's especially difficult and if it's action it's what does that look like in terms of controlling something within my control and something that's going to improve the situation that's within kind of my grasp. We're going to provide some strategies and solutions but our thoughts and our focus obviously with DeMar Hamlin's family also with the players on the field on these teams and and having to play yesterday doctor mostly we found out that week 18 it's going ahead and will proceed as scheduled. What are some you know and we I saw that full screen and we're talking not sleeping to the feelings you feel after witnessing something like that. And that's potentially through the TV not being their person not knowing and having a relationship with this person. So what are some of these challenges that the Bengals and Bill's players are going to face over the next few days and how should teams support them. So you are absolutely correct. It is very challenging to think about going back and playing. And the first initial thing is being able to acknowledge it. We can't say oh it's going to be fine. Everything is going to roll as as normal. We are in some really uncharted kind of circumstances right now. We have to acknowledge the risk is real and that fear and concern both for themselves but also for DeMar for the organizations. When you step out there it is it's risky it's high risk. Yes there's high reward but the risk is quite high. And so starting to be able to normalize that and name that is really important because it helps us to move forward to think about strategies to advise and support the athletes and you mentioned coaches as well. This is a very difficult situation as coaches as media as athletic trainers as support staff even front office and GM's the entire sport enterprise is impacted when there is a traumatic event a catastrophic injury. And so our output is really high when we're working in sport. It's intense. It's fast. We have to show a lot of agility. We have to translate that into the way that we show up and provide resources and care. So we have to game plan around how we're going to help folks take care of themselves. So having licensed mental health providers present on staff accessible whether that's through telehealth also physically there in the space because if you don't need it fine but if you need it it's there. It's this real kind of peace of mind to be able to have people on hand and have resources on hand for everyone. We're especially thinking about the players but we're thinking about everyone who's impacted in the organization and those who who know Damar and folks who don't. This is a very human experience to witness that. And so we want to make sure that everyone is equipped to have the tools and the resources because that impacts the outcome and also impacts whether people are able to show up at all. Dr. Rosely what are the do nots that you know on that list. It's nice to see those things. We talked yesterday about doing something soothing for yourself but positive and maybe those players are doing that coaches certainly trying to foster that that environment as well of openness. What are the do nots when it comes to this. So the first do nots are hard. The I like to do things in threes. I'll tell you what the third one is the first do nots would be avoid using drugs and alcohol as much as possible to cope without judgment. Often if we are drinking because we don't feel great or we're using some other substances because it helps us numb out or distract us or makes us feel better temporarily. It actually will be more harmful to our ability to cope and to heal because as I mentioned before if we're having difficulties concentrating or we're having a really hard time making decisions or we're not sleeping well kind of all of those things that culminates to impacting how we show up in the world not just performing at a high level but literally how we get through the day. So if we are using drugs and alcohol to cope especially at a higher rate it's going to impair our ability to heal and to cope. So we actually work against ourselves. Also in this moment I'm always concerned about an increase in accidents and an increase in injuries because we're already emotionally, psychologically, physically compromised and drugs and alcohol will impact that. It will actually make us feel worse in the long term. So those are the two immediate avoids. The third one is kind of a both and because listening right now is really important. So my kind of do not or to avoid is telling people that I know this sounds kind of counter but telling people it's going to be OK and you're going to be fine. We don't know that. We don't know. But we can say I understand and I'm here to listen when you need me. And a lot of what we try to do is tell people to get help and to seek help. But we have to think about a little differently because we look out and not in. So sometimes it's easier for us to recognize when our family members or friends or coworkers or teammates or struggling before even they are. So we have to create not only being thoughtful about how we are but how are the people that we care about offering to listen when people are ready to talk providing resources and having that on hand so that people don't even have to ask for them. They're available for them when they need them. And I want to get to some of those resources including 9 8 8 which you see here at the crisis lifeline which provides 24 7 free support and it's anonymous. We'll get to that. It's brilliant. You say the injuries you say it's it's all a lot doctor. Should they be playing this week. So that is a really difficult question. And I think it's a question that has to be given with great care. On one hand there are opportunities to use physical activity to use sport to really leverage what you talked about in terms of this really powerful unifying force around sport to bring people together and to move forward so that and I'm saying move forward not move on because there's no way to move on knowing what tomorrow and his family is going through. We don't move on. We move forward. And so there could be some opportunities I think to move forward and to and to play and to resume some activities. On the other side of it that is often going to be an individual decision and you mentioned coaching. It's going to come down to talking to the staff the support staff the coaches the trainers because even though we're now talking about mental health and sport and that's a new phenomenon this has been around forever. When we say things like you know his head's not in the game or it's between the ears or we talk about the twisties with Simone Biles or the Yips and baseball or cricket. All of these things are connected to your psychological performance and how that connects to everything else. So they're going to be some hard conversations around knowing whether you can go or not. And we have to be really thoughtful and think about the long term consequences of having people go in before they're ready because that means we are setting athletes up for further injury or for their accidents if they are not prepared to go. So whether you're whether you you know sprain an ankle or you pull a hamstring if you are not psychologically prepared to go into a game you could be risking the same kind of things you would risk with having a physical injury. So you want to treat them the same. And what you're talking about goes hand in hand with NFL culture and how much is it's changed and how much it needs to change because that player and I'm just going to pick one out and not to see T Higgins who's really been having a tough time and there have been some really irresponsible assholes out there making life hard for him when he's a human being. And I can't imagine how difficult that is. And I hope he's thrown his phone out of the window and all that you have to have him or so anyone be able to say coach I'm not going to play. I'm not going to play. I don't feel right. And that only happens if there's an environment where a player can feel like he can open up and say that be vulnerable not be not be called you know somebody who isn't giving it their all not not being part of the team and all of that. So I would ask you is there any specific advice you can give coaches around the league that are faced with this this week because I don't know this and I can't say this but there have to be improvements made on staffs when it comes to mental health not even aware you know clinical people on staff that can help with this right. I'm not saying it right please. Oh no you're doing great but you're absolutely right. Leadership coaches even front office we have to be committed to co-creating an environment that's conducive for these athletes to ask for what we need and then for us to offer what they need and to provide that as part of the system just a part of what we do and the work vulnerability we use quite a bit and I think it's great that we're normalizing it. I also when I'm working with athletes and working with coaches in fact I was texting with an NFL coach this morning because it is a very challenging time to coach right now but vulnerability is nothing but being authentic with the risk and football is risky already. So if you're already doing something high risk being authentic and being able to talk about your experience is really important. What's also potentially more important is being able to have leadership that creates the opportunity for you to be able to share that and then to get the support and the strategies and tools that you need in order to go out there and do your best. Or if doing your best means not now and they mean later it may mean I need a minute. It's being able to within the system create these opportunities for people to have what they need before they go out there and give their best especially with the circumstances being as high stakes and risky as they are right now. Dr. Moseley what advice would you give. It's a hard question. What advice would you give Commissioner Roger Goodell. The first advice that I always listen I sound like a broken record here but it's to listen. And we don't play listening. And I mean listening to understand and not listening to respond. Because before we can pull together a game plan or plan of action you need to know how people are feeling. We have to take a pulse on what people are experiencing across the league at the ball club level at the team level at the league level. There really does need to be an assessment of getting this data to recognize how people are feeling and what they think would be helpful right now. What do people need. And how do we then deploy that out across the organization and across the ball clubs. There may be some variations we understand that we understand everything may not be possible. But it's important to know and to get the data to recognize what that is because what you don't want to do. Is to act hastily and provide something that doesn't meet the needs and could be more harmful than helpful. So initially the listening getting information and then being able to show up with the recommendations that all of these stakeholder groups are sharing with you. Does it exist on staffs in the NFL a mental health expert or clinical psychologist. I think psychologists are on tape. I actually don't know I would love to know. So there are across the league it is mandated that there is at least one licensed mental health provider that is on site for a portion of the week. There are also performance specialists who do things a little differently but work in tandem with the person who was on site. I will say that there needs to be a lot of reinforcement and backup in these spaces especially around catastrophic events like this. This is you mentioned your emergency action meeting. Their emergency action plans that are put in place by sports medicine and by psychology staff folks both in college and in the pros. And what's important when something like this it's literally an all hands on deck. So whether it's people that you have that are already there or you're bringing in additional people there needs to be a real kind of show of force of care so that people can really have access to what they need. I liken it to when there is an event that's non sport related that's really catastrophic. You will see the Red Cross or other organizations provide additional support in the immediacy. We have a framework for that. So that's what I would recommend around this time. I'm really putting you on the hot seat here doctor you're so amazing for making I know I am but I'm here for you. I'm learning so much it's incredible. I think that there I'm imagining the tweets already when we post some of this stuff and there's a and I see it on all my stuff for the past week of just or in general just like oh the league's gotten soft or we can't look mental like there's a lack of appreciation. I think a little bit. What would you say to people who think that it was you know it wasn't a trauma. It's something that's part of the game that we like all of those sort of people. So no one is prepared to see a catastrophic injury. No one is prepared to see someone potentially die. And what's very jarring about this is that it is both sudden and unexpected and it happened to someone who was at the top of physical condition. Someone who is an elite athlete. So it's even more jarring and shakes our sense of consciousness when we see someone like that experience that also at the same time I hear that quite a bit that the you know things are getting soft. The challenge is that there were things that we didn't know the sport continues to evolve both in terms of how we coach the biomechanics how we tackle the rules are updated every single year. It only makes sense that how we provide care around performance and well being also has to evolve and has to change at a former athlete who said this a former pro player was like all these kids are soft but then also on the same breath admitted how hard his experience had been and how he wanted to do something differently. I wish his coaches would have recognized it. And so I think both things are true. On one hand it really sucks that you experienced that and I hate that you experienced it and since you did experience it we have to do better. We have to kind of when we know better we do better and that's the evolution of the sport and it has to also be the evolution of the services and resources and strategies that we deploy to keep athletes functioning at their best. It's a great answer as beautifully said one more for you and to add to this talking about the stigma changing I spoke I think I told you this yesterday when we spoke on the phone I sat down with Solomon Thomas before Monday Night's game it was in the morning and he's someone who does a lot of work he's partnered with Dak Prescott with 988 so we'll talk about that and give that resource that very specific resource it's much do love here on the show but he had this to say about the progress of what we're talking about in the league you're not new in the league six years now do you think it's changed as far as the stigma of these male professional athletes opening up talking about their mental health we saw the long way to go but I'll give a story my rookie in the league we had a team clinician at the Niners and she was sitting at the lunch table and one of my teammates told me I can't go sit with her because people would think I'm crazy and that was my rookie in the league and then after I started taking my end of my first year, my second year I have guys coming and checking on me asking me how I'm doing my third year I have guys asking me hey how do I get help hey where do I go if I need to take a family member to get help how do I start talking about these things they feel so weird and fuzzy to talk about my fourth year fifth year I have teammates telling me credit and crediting the best years of the career for going to therapy weekly therapy and it's like conversations that are changing like guys in the locker room who are new to mental health they're at least willing to have the conversations with me and listen progress is being made maybe not as quickly but it's evolving like you said thanks to the work that you do Dr. Moseley so we thank you so much and I just wanted to give some love to that specific resource that he is close with and it's 988 988 which you can call or text any time and get help comfortably absolutely absolutely and that's the way so it's just 988 call or text for any help of time and just praying and thoughts and that work needs to be done by all of us out there so thank you for all that you do to help the football community and get on with those coaches because I'm looking at them to make this thing happen I hope so my goal is that we take care of ourselves so we find better ways to take care of each other it's beautiful Dr. Moseley I mean you've got the same stuff in the background I couldn't be in love with you we'll be back after this on Up and Adams Thank you This is cool Buffalo rallying behind number 3 Damar Hamlin Saber star Tage Thompson What a night January 3rd 3 goals 3rd Hattrick of the season 30th goal of the season and the game winner was 3 minutes into overtime I know our next guest a big hockey fan as well joining us now Buffalo Bills Beat and Sidelan Reporter for WGR 550 Sal Capaccio thank you I'm doing as best I can you know it's obviously not about me being here but you know I went through that on Monday night obviously and tried to do your best job and best job we could reporting everything happening on the field but then obviously going through that situation and processing it all okay I mean I think yesterday was really harder I think for a lot of people because when you're kind of doing it and doing the job and then you kind of sit with it a little bit more yesterday it kind of there in Cincinnati you were at PayCorps Stadium as I understand it you I would love to hear you talk about this you saw Nina Damar's mother trying to get on to the field I did it's been a little tough to talk about so bear with me here for a second but you know everybody was on the field and they were working on Damar obviously and I was on the sidelines still there was some media going around and happened to see a woman down near the wall and she has a blue number three Bill's Jersey and she's a bit animated with the security not like upset animated but she's talking to him and she's looking at me and she's looking at other people and she's she says that's my son I want to be on the field my son and it was tough to see and it was tough to be a part of and you know what was happening you know they turned around and I'm sorry I turned around and Dane Jackson who actually was Damar's teammate at Pitt he must have known that where Damar's family was because he was looking up and he got the attention of the Bill's team Chaplin and their director player development Lynn Vanderbos and Lynn went over Lynn went over and in conjunction with the security it was there and Bill's security she could finally get on the field and ultimately when the ambulance actually left she and I was told his dad also got in the ambulance with him and you were on the field watching this yeah through the whole time and you know my job as the sideline reporter is quite frankly a lot of times just to watch for guys getting injured on a play like you see somebody limp off and you got a report to the producer situation I was standing the play was going if you're watching on TV left to right I was about maybe the 25-yard line of the Bill's and all I saw was a player collapsed backward and it's scary enough but honestly Kay like in this job in this role like we've seen that before guys get knocked out unfortunately and you have had injuries unfortunately and that was the first thought that came to mind then what happened was you saw the when the players know that quickly you know something's wrong so about a minute or two later watching everything happen and me and a couple of the the camera people were next to me we said are they performing CPR like it looks like they might be and we couldn't tell because there were bodies around but I'm thinking there's no way there's no way that's happening right here on this football field that they're doing it and then I thought no what they must be performing CPR for several minutes but I would tell you Kay that the moment that it got to me that it was a really horrific situation that something really bad was happening was when all of the bills players coaches and staff came off the field and what they did was they formed this really big circle around Damar and they had basically they were shoulder to shoulder they were holding each other they were locked in crying but they were standing so that Damar was behind them in their back and they were basically facing all of us and they did that they didn't want people to see what was happening they didn't want to see people to see how medical people were treating Damar and that just told me right there that something horrific was going on was there one person that led that said let's do this or was it everybody just all at once making that human wall um I don't know that for sure I'm assuming that you know word was just filtering and they saw what was going on and I know that you know this team takes a lot of cues from Shaw McDermott you know he's their leader and I wouldn't doubt if he was a big part of that but during the middle of that human wall and I'm glad Lisa described the same thing basically saying that during the middle of it guys were just they were so emotional and they were crying and they were bawling and you know a few players just stood out to me like especially the DBs every day with Demar the guys that are in those meetings with him all the time but Jaquan Johnson had a towel on his face and we couldn't stop sobbing and he was being consoled by one of his one of the trainers actually I believe and then I saw Tradavius White we all saw and Serran Neal they were just it was tough to watch these are people that you know you do this for a living you've covered this league for a while and you know they're viewed as larger than life and tougher than life that's what they do they're super human they go on and they play a teammate gets hurt and we pray for them and that teammate goes off and we play we play this was something like nothing I've ever seen before and to bring that human element so close to see all these guys and I'm close to them right I cover them I grew up in Buffalo I grew up a Bill's fan and I've been covering this team for 10 years I've been on the sideline for nine years you know these are people that I spend every day with and to see them going through this it just it was obviously very heart breaking and then the mom and on top of it we're all just hoping for Demar here and we're hoping for positive news we got I don't want to say it's positive news I'm not a doctor I can't say but what seems like you know the connotation of optimism from last night into today which is beautiful and all anyone is hoping for and caring about now you cover this team year round like you said 10 years you're around the team you're from Buffalo let's go Buffalo you're in the locker room what can you tell us about Demar Hamlin and the kind of person he is well I think by now hopefully you've seen all of the the great donations the amount of donations coming in for his amazing Chasing Billions Foundation it's great and you know Demar is kind of an unassuming guy so I'm so glad something like this is out there because he kind of does this stuff a little bit under the radar you know you got to remember he came in he was a sixth round pick and he comes into this league he has to fight for a spot where there's two all pros ahead of him right like a hide in Jordan Boyer he's not going to play a lot and he worked his tail off in a single day and did what it took to make the team and became a special team star last year for this team and then he's thrust into this spotlight to take over from Mike Ahide you know two weeks into the year after Mike Ahide gets hurt so a couple of funny antidotes here is the next game maybe it was a week after that they were playing the Pittsburgh Steelers and I remember Mike Tomlin leading up to the game Tuesday at his press conference he starts talking he says talk about the bills and his respect I love that kid you know what I'm saying he was 12 years old so I go into the locker room the next day and I see Damar and I said Damar did you see Mike Tomlin talking about you and his face lit up right I mean for him he was so proud that someone like Mike Tomlin would have this kind of reverence for him you know it was so cool because Damar he's just going about his business he's doing what he wants to do he's so humble and then what happened was it's so funny after that game I think it was that game might have been a week later they won a game and it was a live interview as the sideline reporter something live on the radio so they win the game and I'm like okay who can I interview in this game somebody I haven't talked to oh my gosh Damar Hamlin he just filled in from like a hide played a nice game so I run up to him and I got the microphone in my hand and I go Damar Damar live radio live radio and he looks at me like I have three heads and he's like no no I'm good I'm good I said Damar in nine years you'd be the only person to ever say no to a walk off interview after a win and I'll talk to you we laughed about it he had a great interview I went up to him at the after the game in the locker room I said hey I'm sorry I didn't mean to surprise you and he's like no no it's all good I wasn't expecting that but that's him right he's doing his job he's not expecting that limelight he's not used to that limelight and now I think we're shining a light on what kind of a person he is what kind of a human being he is on top of a great football player Sal I cannot thank you enough for telling those stories those are beautiful you can join us and talk about this nobody cares about the game I was just talking to a mental health expert about how can these games possibly be played she was talking to me about how injuries something she's worried about more injuries because people aren't where they need to be to optimally perform on a football field we love Sean McDermott how can they play I don't know it's a good question so just to give an update here from Buffalo Wednesday is a media day if you will Sean McDermott speaks at noon the team practices at 12.30 that's a normal Wednesday there will be no media availability today they will hold meetings and a walkthrough we are taking cues from the team and quite frankly what I said on my radio show this morning is that's totally fine whatever they want to do we'll take our cues from them they don't want to talk all week and they don't I'm quite sure that there are players that are really struggling going in the building today I'm also quite sure there's players that need to go into the building today I want to make this point too I think it's very important to hear in 2023 that we've come so long so far in this regard the Buffalo Bills under Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean have really been at the forefront of making sure that everyone in their building has so many resources available for their mental health and to have as much availability to be able to talk to anybody or resources they need in that regard and they've been on that for quite a while and they talk about it a lot and I remember having a conversation with Brandon Bean in the preseason about this and how important that is and that goes to guys who are coming back from rehab like Jardavius White with his knee or something like that like there's so much of that that goes into it so when I hear today they're having meetings and then a walk through I'm sure those meetings involve a lot of that and the Bills are very very on top of and believe in having a very strong mental health resources and availability at all times for everybody in their building we love hearing that and I was talking in the beginning of the show about how I'm really not so I looked at Monday night that was a leadership and it's all going to come from them and we know a tweet that we just saw here from Scott Patterson I don't know if you want to fly it in to my control room mental health should be talked about across Western New York today May 14th still fresh we just lost 40 people to a blizzard five kids to a house fire and how many of us witnessed what happened to Damar Hamlin check on each other today don't be afraid to reach out for help again 988 is a number you can text for free and get counseling someone to talk to it's anonymous if you feel that way so please text or call 988 anybody not just Bill's fans but anybody and our love goes to Bill's I mean it's the most loyal supportive generous action fan base that there is and you grew up in Buffalo you're part of the community up there what stood out to you about this situation and the support when it comes to Damar and his Bill's teammates yeah and also if I can point out also related I don't want to forget also in anybody to talk to me we had a racist mass shooting here at our supermarket just it's about a mile and a half from where I'm sitting talking to you right now and that was obviously very traumatic for this community and you know okay we're not New York we're not Chicago we're not LA we're Buffalo New York and we don't have all of those glitzy and glammy things that a lot of those places have what we have is the Buffalo bills and the Buffalo Sabres in each other and it's always been that way here we band together because that's our moniker for good reason when something like what happened down at the top supermarket when something what happened in just a couple of weeks ago where 40 people died people are literally freezing in their car and we're fighting bodies the next day after a blizzard we band together and help each other in any way we can and I remember back in May and that happening and the bills and the Sabres and the bandits and our sports teams they were very much a part of the life too you know look at Martin Hamlet Martin Hamlet is 24 years old he's been here two years he's already has foundations and organizations because when you come to Buffalo that's what happens here we connect with those teams they connect with us and that's the way you know we kind of live our lives here with each other not through each other and those are the sports teams that's necessarily but with each other and we're all in this together and that's why it's so important we certainly are so I cannot thank you enough I know I have a show 10 to 12 I have a great co-host name is Joe DiBiasi I took a step aside because I want to talk to you and I'll tell you you know I did a lot of radio yesterday a lot around the country national, local and it was a bit therapeutic for me you know because otherwise I'd be sitting in it I'll tell you that but I also know that a lot of people want to know what's going on in Buffalo and you know and to be available for people like you here and big fan been watching a long time by the way to be available for people like you I don't know what resource anybody I can hear as well and I hope you're taking your own advice you said it's therapeutic to you and you're talking about how Sean McDermott leadership with the Buffalo Bills are putting mental health at the forefront I hope you are as well my friend it helps that my wife is a mental health counselor so it helps there in all of these situations so yeah you know that's big in our household as well I have a nine-year-old son he was watching the game and he had confusion I came home we talk about together to the top supermarket the day after and you know we process that together so you know it's important to do everything you have to in your own way and to lean on the people that you trust and love so true what's the if I can ask you tough conversation with your nine-year-old kid how do you handle that you're talking about the situation on Monday night yeah you know he was he was at the game in tennis in Buffalo Monday night season tickets he loves the bills he wears a bill's helmet to the games he's nine years old oh he dresses up in the outfit he's got the pants on and everything he goes to the games he sits right behind the bill's bench about 15 rows up he was at the Monday night game when Dan Jackson was hurt and was taken off on an ambulance so it's not seen before and he knows he's been around sports you know for what dad does he knows this but I think he was more confused they've never seen this happen before and you know they always play I called you Kate sorry Kate and it's something they always do they always go back to playing and I think he was more confused and I had to explain the seriousness of the situation why it's so important so not a tough conversation necessarily just more kind of having him understand a little bit more Sal Capaccio we I cannot tell you how much I appreciate this and the stories about DeMar Hamlin of course which we love is he continues to fight so we appreciate you can of course hear you on buffalo bills on the sidelines maybe a Super Bowl at this point who cares so we we will continue to stay vigilant and we appreciate the information hopefully we can have you back soon anytime anytime just reach out thank you very much Joe's like absolutely not this clown's got a get back on the positive update on DeMar Hamlin sending love and peace and comfort to you