 Thank you very much Belinda and for those who may not know a lot of what we're doing today sort of is writing on Belinda's back. So it's a lot of work, a lot of multitasking. Thank you. Right. So we just heard from all walker glory. Just to give a bit of context to those who may have sort of missed a bit about why she was sharing what she was sharing. Earlier on I talked about the big hypothetical piece. So if you think of the movement charter drafting committee currently as our house of assembly. The drafting committee is currently putting together sort of documenting our social contract that says, here's how we're going to work together. Here are the rules that we want to work through. Here's how we're going to guide our movement. And all because work is engaging with her language community, the evil community to talk them through the draft of the charter as it currently stands and get everyone involved because everybody's voice needs to be represented in the final so as it is, it's her, her way of being the representative for the evil community to ensure that their voices are reflected in the final draft of the movement charter. Once again, I'm Europe rank palm. And as the senior movement strategy specialist part of my role again for those who are not here earlier is to support by ensuring that we have access to the tools and the resources we need to implement our movement strategy projects. Now earlier on we sort of huddled into groups and discussed our movement strategy projects. For some it was a bit difficult. Now what is a movement strategy project. What is this big picture that I need to fit my project on to, or does the big picture fit into my project in tangible terms, what is a movement strategy, what is a movement strategy project. And so we'll hear from a few people today, who have been resourced to implement movement strategy projects in their own communities and small ways and big ways. So, the financial resourcing for movement strategy comes from the movement strategy implementation grants. I'm the program officer for those grants. And it typically typically with movement strategy grants. We support projects that take on an experimental lens more often than not, or an exploratory lens, or a consultation lens, or sometimes a research lens. But sometimes before we engage with our communities we want to know for sure or document what we know. Often we engage so much and we take for granted, even as we comedians that we know, and we want to take action based on what we know and based on what we have experienced. Well, that is good. Sometimes we don't have it documented so that there's a concrete reason for why we're taking certain steps. Movement strategy grants support those types of initiatives. And sometimes we know we have a big community that has a lot of different needs. There are tools and resources people need, but what are those? And can we have a documentation of that? Movement strategy grants support that as well. So if you need to know what people need from you as a leader in your community, or if people are just asking questions and it seems like the conversations are random and incoherent sometimes. And you just want people to just please give me some clarity and you want to help coordinate your community movement strategy grants support that as well. Sometimes it's an idea. Something is documented, but there are little ways that we can test that. There are little ways that we can test a recommendation for something new that probably has never been done in the movement. Movement strategy grants support that, those types of projects and initiatives as well. But support goes beyond funding as some might know, because when we talk about resourcing for projects, sometimes it's not financial. Other times it's just having a good strategic conversation and dialogue with someone who can pinpoint and say, here's how you can strengthen your plan. Here's how you can grow your project. Oh, here's how you can really think outside of the box or perhaps on your project, you need to develop a learning plan, but you're not the learning specialist on movement strategy. We can support you with that. There are a lot of colleagues at the foundation who do have that skill and that expertise. And with the right conversations, we can ensure that you have that learning plan or the learning framework that you need to implement your project. And other times it's also just about figuring out what research currently exists. What's the data that currently exists so you don't have to reinvent the wheel. Yes, you want to document things, but perhaps something already has been documented. So there's that there are a few really big projects that bring our collective voices together that are currently supported by movement strategy. One of those that you'll be hearing a lot about pretty soon is let's connect. I noticed Nicole is not in the room, but let's connect was sort of grew from the work that Wikimedia Deutschland started with Wikimedia UK. And then parts of the Africa community and parts of Brazil as well. But let's connect is this big project currently that helps us find the shared platform for exchanging skills, knowledge, resources. Like we mentioned earlier, there are so many skills I've had the privilege of meeting architects within our movement. I've had the privilege of meeting academics, professors. If I took a poll around the room, I'm pretty sure a lot of PhD hands would go up. Well, there's one. There you go. Two hands already. And I've had the privilege of also meeting engineers and people who talk data and numbers. And I'm stunned and I give them this look like in English. But that's just the technical skills and the expertise. So I imagine that we have that shared space where you have access to that. And they're not in another world. They're just in a platform that you have easy access to. That's sort of some of the work that let's connect is doing that capacity exchange is putting together so look out for capacity exchange. But without much ado, I would like to introduce the first person who will share a little about their project. Afi, who is in the room. He shared with us in the small group earlier on, but Afi is coming up. Afi, please come up and share a little about your movement strategy project. Hello, everyone. I'm Afi and I'm from India. And first of all, before I begin to talk about DCW leadership development and skills infrastructure plan. I'd like to thank Vivian because I'm a backbencher. I had no submission, nothing. And this was all of a sudden. And we made this plan to discuss DCW's leadership development and skills infrastructure plan and what it wants to do and how it could contribute to the global leadership development within the Wikimedia movement and outside it in the general free knowledge movement. Next slide, please. I'm not sure. Okay. So, what does the human community Wikimedia comprise of. It is a group of volunteers from all around the world. And in this image, you could look at some faces that belong to India, several parts of India to Bangladesh, who contribute on a number of projects, number of initiatives, whether those are related to content to photography to a committee of comments and to several others. The human community Wikimedia was established on 31st July 2021. We have got two success for years. And it was recognized by the affiliations committee on 16 January 2022 and our focuses include the global Muslim academia, scholarship, history, culture heritage, and we want it to be made available freely so that people all over the world get free access to it. And we want something that has generally not been considered. We want to move out of the out of the Wikimedia ecosystem. This is not the only place. Everybody who does not have access to Wikimedia platforms, they should have access to free knowledge. And that is one of the focuses of the DCW. These are some of the people who are connected or who are associated with the DCW as advisors, as contributors, as researchers, and they meet up, you know, generally online, offline through conversation hours, and make up the best that the DCW could give to the movement. We have a lot of projects, but 15 or 10 minutes is a pretty much low time that we could speak on those. So we are just few projects that we are mentioned here. This is heritage lens that aims at having the heritage related to Muslims all around the globe made freely available on Wikimedia projects, so that people get to know about that. This was recently initiated and its first iteration was held from 23rd July to 25th. At each iteration has a training session as well. And this one had three training sessions, and it was quite successful. And part of this is something that is not mentioned there. We got a collaborative project with a historical institution that was established in 1866. We have had one good project that's Wikipedia 101. I could see Keener here. This was his idea and we made this through the Let's Connect. There was some other participant and we made around 10 videos in Turkish DCW was involved as an advisor in this project. And we hope this has been implemented in Turkey. And if it goes well, we would make sort of it in all through Hindi and Bangla as well so that people know how to navigate to the Wikipedia as a beginner and then we would be having some sort of advanced educational sets as well. A DCW conversation or it's a global open conversation that takes place once in a month and each time you have a different host, each time you have a different speaker that is expert on a different typically different subject with no relation to other one. But time fleshed. And we have the speaker in other part of the world. There's nice so a lot of people cannot make to get into it. We have had some speakers from outside of the movement from inside of the movement, but the first conversation or it was in September 2022. However, it was standardized as a part of our own strategic recommendations that are not those from the Wikimedia Foundation or the Wikimedia movement. We have had Dr. Ashraf Dokrat from University of Johannesburg. We have had Sam Walton from Foundation. We have had Nicole Schreeter who has had research on Wikimedia movement. Meetups and the next one is on 24 August. And now the basic thing of this is why MSIG grant for the DCW. We have had the need of institutional partnerships to grow beyond what we are at. And the need for leadership and training programs so that we develop further. We sustain ourselves and because we need new trainers. There's not just one person or two people. We need trainers. We need leaders beyond just two to three people. And that's why MSIG grant leadership development and skilled infrastructure plan of the DCW. And so it aims to further DCW's initiatives for its longer run sustainment and institutional partnerships. It wants to further movement strategy recommendations that are, you know, up and around the leadership development as an infrastructure. And we have a prism and that's the prism of institutional building and collaboration. What we have in the India to prepare based on all of this is choice based credit system courses for universities that we can, you know, queue and get students trained into these stuff. And this is supported by movement strategy grant of this much amount that's showing up on the screen. The outline is there. We want to justify the needs so that people who come after us to apply for such a grant, they don't need to justify why we want this. We want to justify it for everybody that why do they need such a grant or such a project. We are adapting earlier staff on LESI leadership development, skilled infrastructure that has been produced prepared by other entities in the Wikimedia movement. And we are elaborating with the prism of knowledge sharing and institutional building. And we are preparing certain courses as a part of this project that is in compatibility and in compliance with the Indian University's choice based credit system. This student can obtain a subject but they have to study and they do give exam of it. They have to have sort of whatever it is oral or practical. They have to give it for necessary. And we want to offer leadership programs and courses to Wikimedia organizers as well because a lot of people are passionate. They do not have that much skills that they need to organize within the Wikimedia movement. And we have something very new. We have heard of mission aligned institutions navigating there. That's pretty much easier work. But we want something to navigate into non mission aligned institutions. And for that we are preparing a roadmap and a guideline as a part of this program. And I lead this program at the DCW and we have a researcher on this as well. And she's a research scholar. She's working on that. Some major successes are that we have got some nice academicians to support us. We have a good volunteer support. We have had some seminars as well and we have concluded the preliminary preliminary research and we are working beyond some challenges. The challenge biggest challenge is that we have to navigate into non mission aligned institutions. This, you know, lack of awareness in our targeted audience. That is mostly the students into the alternate institutions that are part of the mainstream education. Making of academic and creative courses which do not have a foundational line is of course a big challenge. And making a roadmap to approach non mission aligned institutions are a big challenge that we are facing right now. And that's it. Sorry. That's it. We hope we can help the moment. Thanks a lot. Thanks for listening. Please put your hands together for our fee. This was our fees own experimental project on movement strategy and well done has been engaging his community. And really bringing I think a few more people on board. I got a few more questions from members of the community about movement strategy, which was interesting to see the interest. So I'd like to invite a friend from the Taiwan user group as well. Also an experimental project on movement strategy. Hello everyone. Hello everyone. My name is Kang will you also you move my username. So if you're interested in all projects, you can always contact me and we'll give me the meta pages. Okay. So today I'm going to talk about Taiwan project in Taiwan. We are a user group from Taiwan. And if you can raise your hand with me, I will show you how Taiwan looks like like an island in Asia like this. Okay. And how to. Okay. So first of all, I'll do a brief introduction about myself. Okay. My home I'm from, I'm from Chautun, Chautun town and Lamdao city in Taiwan. Taiwan. Okay. And me personally, I'm not Taiwan people and Taiwan is one of the indigenous communities in Taiwan. And if you know like Taiwan, it's a small island with 23 million people. But most people there in Taiwan, they speak Mandarin Chinese and Taiwan people located in again, raise your hand with me, the Taiwan, the south part of Taiwan, Taiwan communities. Okay. South part and Taiwan people, we have only about like 90,000. So compared to the total 23 million, we are very small communities in Taiwan. And also in daily life in school, not many Taiwan language can be heard. So with Wikimedia movement, we believe or we think we can have more development on our languages. And so I started to learn Taiwan language. I'm not Taiwan people, but I started to learn Taiwan language from about 2018. So till now it's about five years. And so with this study background, I have the opportunity to work in a university called National Zengzi University in Taipei. Taipei, again, Taipei is the north part of Taiwan. Yes, north part of Taiwan, Taipei. And I work there. So during my work in the Zengzi University, I have the chance to get to know Wikiprojects. So I know different Wikiprojects. There's not only Wikipedia, we also have Wikidata and I know MetaPages. So that's why I have the opportunity to get connected with the international communities. So at that time, I tried to help with different indigenous communities in Taiwan, including Daya, Amis, and Taiwan, and so on. Okay, so and later from 2021, we start to build up our user group. Before we just like sometime we have some online meetup and discuss how we write our Wikipedia project, but later we decided to build up a user group. So with the user group we can do more activities and try to recruit more people to contribute to our Wikiprojects. Okay, so later because of my WikiWorks, I have the opportunity to join the Wikimedia Language Diversity Hub. I'm not sure is there any member from the Diversity Hub here? No, okay. Okay, so now I'm also a co-founder of Hoping You Wikimedia's user group, which is aims to contribute on Taiwanese Hogan with the new user group I am working on. Okay, so what we are doing is buy one Wikimedia's user group. Basically, first we work mostly on Wikipedia, and our Wikipedia is called Wikipedia and what we are working on. It's a Taiwan Wikipedia, and we write some articles like most Wikipedia projects. But while we are writing, we found we have one big problem. I think some small language community has this kind of problem because when we write Wikipedia, we need to have some references, right? And we only have Mandarin and English or maybe Japanese references. So we are kind of like read or like translate. We only do like translate or we read and write in Taiwan. We don't have the first hand Taiwan references. So later we try to think about maybe they are more like traditional local elders. They know local mythologies or local stories or they know how the mountains will come from or like the mountain. The stories of the mountain, the stories of the rivers. So we think the community thinks this is also important, but we don't have much documents. We don't have much references for us to take as the citation. So later we think that maybe we can have some audio files. We record the elders. They speak. We invite the speakers and we record. So this is what we think we can do. And so we recorded some audio files. So we upload to Wikimedia Commons, so which can be shared with some other people. And also with the audio files, we transcript it and we type it down and put on Wikisource. This is what we are trying to do. So with the Mandarin Chinese or English references and also we can have the Wikisource. Wikisource pages that we can take as our reference when we try to contribute on Wikimedia or even visionary. And also we try to promote Wikidata to our communities. But if you know like most of our members in Taiwan community are very aged. So actually sometimes they are not very used to use computers or online things. So it will be a little bit complicated for them to get used to Wikidata. But this is also we are trying to do because with this data can be reused again and again like from some like data engineering. We don't know much about this, but I think we can build the Pi-1 lexemes. The vocabulary can be resourced in the Wikidata. And also we also try to develop our visionary, Pi-1 visionary in incubator. So this is basically what we are doing. And as we know we are very lucky to get supported from the Wikimedia foundation. So we have this oral citation in the Taiwan language project. And with this project we are doing some promotional events. And now the Taiwan government starts to have some more focus on supporting the development of small languages. So we have more events every year now. So if there are some events we can go there and promote to make more people. Maybe they are interested in Pi-1 Wikimedia projects or to try to encourage different communities or different groups. And the second part we try to do some community survey. Because when we are recruiting members, maybe some are not interested in contributing Wikidata projects. We need to know why. For example they don't like to contribute in this way to edit. But there is also another way you can contribute to Wikidata projects. For example you can speak that we recorded. So this survey we will know how to efficiently promote the Pi-1 Wikidata projects later. So later we will also like to, as I said before, to get more references. And to have more workshops to introduce Wikidata projects to the communities. So the challenge is, as I said, we don't have many young contributors. Most contributors are very age. So they are not very used to computers. And so also the diversity of communities. You know, Pi-1 people with not only one community, we have many communities. But we all call it Pi-1. So we have the diversity of community. This can be the challenges. And also there's also another question. Like when we write Wikimedia, another question is who read? So we need to promote to maybe to school. To let teachers teach or use some Wikimedia in class. So this is the challenge. So later we will try to have some conference to invite more people who cared about Pi-1 language to have a discuss about this. And the usage of the collective references and cooperation with other organizations in Taiwan. And promotion of organization or maybe educational bureau in Taiwan and so on. And as I said, reach out to Pi-1 classes to make a teacher that will be willing to use Pi-1 Wikipedia or Pi-1 Wikipedia projects in class. Okay. So that's it. Thank you in Taiwan. Okay. Thank you. So this project was, if you've tracked movement strategy. One of the key principles of the movement strategy is knowledge equity. And that means in many different ways or among many other things, ensuring that our local language community, small language communities are able to achieve their goals, their aims and objectives. Like what Ian was doing for the Taiwan community. Thank you so much for taking the lead on this and for supporting your community. Well done. All right. Another person who's been supporting a different type of community in very interesting ways is Tony. Right from shared knowledge. Please welcome Tony. Hello everyone. I'm Tony Stovsky. I live in Skopje in Macedonia. I'm from shared knowledge that is a user group which works in Macedonia like a very long time. Probably on the site. Yeah. So we have like from 2014 we started working with Wikipedia and Wikimedia project. We have many things to to work like we cover like partnerships, education and like a Glam segment, but we are not speaking now for the user group. It is a very active and big group. We work like more we can say like chapter but we are not still recognized. About our project, which it's more interesting. We pick up like we mostly work. Our work is on Macedonian language because it is official language, but thanks to the movement strategy. We, we make a grant supporting the two communities to minority groups are Romanian and Romani community, along with the second group, which is a user of sign language. That that was particularly interesting for us because we want to engage those people who have like a loss hearing or problems like with communication. And that's why we included Macedonian sign language about this project. We started like last year in June and like by one community. We also have like a research base when we focused on what what those participants wants to to be included in the in the in the process and what we can help doing the process. We sent like a complete server. Thanks to the partners from these communities are Romanian and Romani communities, along with the Macedonian sign language community. We also have an NGOs, which we worked so we are not doing like the job like we like from itself and like, basically, by ourselves, but we thanks to the partners external partners that we have. We, we made a successful with the research phase and we have like, I think in the service more than 200 participants from those groups. And when you say that this languages is only like nine or 8,000 speakers in the country, it is a lot of people that contributed to the server. After that we have implementation phase. It is like every Wikipedia project we have like a workshop and about the Romanian and Romani communities, along with the editing contest and challenges that we about creation of the articles and on on on their own languages. And about the Macedonian sign language community, which may like some of you, we have a question how they contribute to our project. We filmed videos with them. It was very interesting like concept with them like we take a lot of effort to have included in the process like they they pick a team to like article from the Wikipedia and they like have an introduction like a section or mostly introduction sections about these people. And they have like on the Macedonian sign language, they filmed our videos about that. What challenges that we faced during the working on this project. It was that underrepresented communities like we already heard does not have digital or like materials in written materials. So that is a problem that is like very hard to solve. And it is that also that is first problem but the second problem that is also a problem that we faced during the implementation phase is that not all of the participants who want to like to to write on the languages. They don't know the language in like a complete way like native speakers. They are native speakers but because of these languages are not taught in the schools. They don't have like a proper standard form of writing. So, when we have workshops, they used like a different words about same word, like different pronunciations and different language style. And that was the problem that we faced. Also, it, it was a problem that we faced in the like experimenting with the new methods of community engagement. The problem was that not all of the especially in the Romani communities does not have like a computer literacy. So that's that was another problem that they like in the first place we need to like teach them like how to use to like, like even a standard use of the with the computer equipment and then to like to write on Wikipedia about evaluation and I have to say now that on Saturday during the conference, we will say like a complete presentation about lessons learned about the project. It is like 1135. So, you can find it in the program. We can speak a lot of more like 10 lessons learned like in a much broader way or from this project. So, but this is like some of the numbers that we achieved during the implementation of the like implementation of the project, but nevertheless, the problem, the like the plans and the much interesting part is that this for our Armenian community, I will speak now for them because this committee, it is a success. We have editing contest with them and workshops and after that, this community, it was included in the CSP. CSP is a regional editing contest that we have in the central and Eastern Europe, and it is it was included like a new community this year. And one of the organizer of the this community from our Armenian community will attend the meeting in Georgia next month. So, we finally like a wake up this community, and even for the like small language, they have like now like participation in the regional contest they have like regional attendance at the committee. So, this is like, I can say it is a success. For Romani speaking community on the other side, it is, we don't have a success story like they don't participate in our contest. So, it is like, it is like, also a message to you. No, no project. It is meant to be successful. Like, not every project mean to be success. It is a journey. You will learn during the process, like, we have a problem. You can see with one of them, it is a successful story, but for another project, so like another community is a complete different. So, it is, you don't be afraid of this. Like, you just work with the project and just share the results after that with the team, especially with the team from foundation about Macedonian sign language community. So, we have actually, it is a proposed the gun. We want to continue filming different communities, different videos about scientific terminology in the next year or this year, depending on the grant process. If you have any questions, you can find me during the conference or in Saturday at our main presentation about this project. Thank you very much Tony. And thank you for reminding us that sometimes you learn from what doesn't work, which is the flexibility also that comes with movement strategy grants because they are experimental. And it's about learning, learning what works and learning what doesn't work. Thank you so much Tony for sharing the chance together for him. Once again, our last presentation is pre recorded. Is it ready. Okay. Yes, this is by I guess cloud from Indonesia. This time. The first one is about a background of open charter conversation that did. And the second one is community and judgment. And the next one is challenge past during the conversation. So, hope you could enjoy this slide. Okay. Okay, the first slide is about background why I do the conversation last year was especially about movement charter. And we know that in our communities, some of communities doesn't engage with movement charter. And that's why when the program open charter comes in and I got the information, I'm to join it to ensure that communities in Indonesia engage with process of movement charter. Okay. And the next one is about community conversation and translation. So what I did in this movement charter ambassador program. In the first one is I have three conversation in three Wikimedia communities in Indonesia. The first one is Wikimedia Manukwari that I have in 3rd December 2022. And the next day is Wikimedia Banjar in Sunday 4th December 2022. And last conversation is in Wikimedia Denpasar on Sunday 18th December 2022. So in this case, I provide them space for them to giving a feedback about framework, policy and principle, roles and responsibility. I also introducing them to movement charter, what is movement charter, what is the purpose of movement charter and how the process of movement charter is affect to them. Beside that, I also translation during the translation in Banjar language. I translate the comment such as Premble, Paluan principle and roles and responsibility to Banjar language. Okay. The next one is challenge space during the conversation of movement charter that I had in three small communities in Indonesia. The first one is about like a participation community members during the conversation. In three conversation that I had, some of members tend to be passive during this conversation. That's why feedbacks given most of them obtained by moderator or communities coordinator. And the second challenge that I faced during the conversation is like ability to explain movement charter based on communities context. We know that we have different background in the communities and they seems unfamiliar with movement charter. Even though there have been explanation before, we need to explain movement charter in their context. For example, when most of the students, when most of members of community are students in university, we should define a movement charter matching with their own document in university. Okay. This is the last presentation of me. It's about feedback obtained during the movement charter conversation that I had. So there is power of finds that I'm going to explain it or that I'm going to sharing. So this is the power of points about planning or the needs of our communities during the conversation. The first one is creating glossarium, language adjustment, comparison terms and roles and responsibility. So, creating glossarium, the communities asked movement charter needs glossarium because it is important to make people who don't have background knowledge about Wikimedia or about movement charter understand and could read. And the next one is language adjustment. So for language adjustment, they asked movement charter needs to be simply by their language as simple as possible. So they asked in the one paragraph not too many information yet not too few information. They also asked for reconsider some of the Palluan principle such as subsidiarity. We need to change it into familiar words. And the next one is about comparison terms. So our communities is not familiar with movement charter and they do not judge before with the process of movement charter due to language barrier and any other reason. That's why they asked explaining it with other terms that familiar with them. And the last one is about roles and responsibility. So they asked about consequence about roles and responsibility. We know that roles and responsibility would be explaining about voluntary communities and movement bodies and any other aspect. So they asked for adding consequence if this movement bodies or in this volunteer or in this community did not do what it should. Okay, thank you for listening this presentation, my presentation. I apologize I could not attend this presentation in person because I have another agenda. But see you in Singapore. Bye bye. Yes, we do hope to see him again sometime soon at another one of our conferences. Thank you. So thank you to everyone who shared the floor is open now if you have any questions for you more. I see Tony has stepped out as well, or for AFI about their projects their movement strategy projects, or if you have a question about your project in the way that you're thinking about it. And you'd like to discuss the floor is open right now. I think we have a microphone. Yeah. Again, we'll take around. If you can show with your hand if you have a question. Anyone Peter. Yeah, question for AFI. We have so many user groups that cover a region and some that cover a language, but yours is one that is substantive is about an area topic right point of view in any language. And I wonder how much you copy from wiki projects or other user groups, or you had to break new ground. Well, thank you Peter for the question. I feel that we have not copied from any of other wiki projects whether those are language based or some of other thematic projects. The DCW is a pretty new something that I began from scratch. And this is why I took four to six months for recognition from fcom. That's pretty new. But we want to give to others in terms of leadership and skills infrastructure so that they could see how they could use these skills in their own regional context because we focus on a team. That might make some sort of comparison. Yeah, that's a team will have a language. Let's try. Right. Thank you. Anyone else. And actually, I do have a question for you. Because your project was largely experimental. And before you started the project, you had some big hopes and dreams about what you wanted to achieve. What was your biggest learning. What surprised you the most after kicking off the project. Yeah. And what, what would you say for you was just the one experience that was different from what you expected. Yes. Okay. Thank you. As I mentioned before, like, you know, Taiwan is not a single community. It's Taiwan communities. Because in the old time, Taiwan is not called Taiwan is many, many communities. And now we know it's Taiwan. So the biggest learning from now is we really know that the diversity of the community means sometimes you want to introduce one tradition or one place. You can not only, you can only, you can not only take one saying from one community, because there might be another community, another Taiwan community that have different opinions. So that's why we need to visit more communities and collect more opinions or collect more, we say mythologies or the old saying. This is the most we have learned from this project. We need to still need to visit more communities because, as I say, Taiwan is small, Taiwan communities are small, but really we have the diversity. So yeah, even sometimes the language, the use of the vocabulary can be different from different Taiwan communities. Yeah, so yeah, thank you. That's my answer. Okay. Okay. So we need to engage with more communities. Fair enough. Anyone else have a question. Okay. So, so I have a question to not just the presenters but anyone who's ever applied for the MS IG grant. Any like difficulties or challenges and when you like when you apply in trying to apply for the ground, or are there like any messages you can share to people who's never like they're interested in the ground but they don't know how to get started and like a advisor recommendation that you can share with them. That'll be great. Because I work with communities which is still they they're not many applicants for grants. So what would what can you say to encourage them. Thank you. This is an interesting question. And I feel they should be answered. When I applied for the leadership development and skilled infrastructure plan, it took around two and more months to be approved. Because all of a sudden, the movement strategy and governance team was dissolved. And I was hopeless for one and more month that, oh, wow, what's going to happen now. It would be approved or not. Or how do we get into this? There was uncertainty and I had no answer until I got to know that it was approved in June. I had to move the timeline to next month. So that was a big challenge. But I have a message for others as well. But if you plan to apply for MSIG grant, make sure you have an action plan and you have a vision. If these two things are missing, I'm not sure if it's going to be approved or not. But you cannot make the best of it. The vision makes. Thank you. Thank you, Afi. Any other question or any ideas to pitch? Do you have any thoughts in your mind to share? I think this is also a good time to do so. Anyone? I really like the way that Afi puts it. You have to have a plan and a vision. A plan is always, always super important. I have a few people here that I know have a few projects running, but I do have a question about what kinds of resources do you typically look for? That you have challenges accessing currently on your project, whether you see that project within a movement strategy recommendation currently or not. What kind of resources beyond financial? Of course, if it's financial, it would be great to hear what the constraints are. But what kind of resources do you typically look for in implementing your projects? Or when thinking about projects that are ongoing or things that you want to take on? Or even those out-of-the-box ideas that sometimes is like, oh, but this will never happen. What is that barrier? I'd love to hear that if anyone has that to share with us. Yeah, so I can only tell from my experience that the most important resource you need to run a project is the people that you need a team, that you need a community. And it's more often more important than having the money because with the people come the ideas and sometimes the resources, the material resources as well. So this is the most important thing. That's my contribution to this question. A follow-up to that. We've heard that often. Why is that such a challenge? What is the gap for us? Earlier on we talked about CAPEX that's coming up, the Capacity Exchange Platform. Would you see that potentially as a resource that could help solve that problem? What's the bigger, like, resourcing need? Is it about the people not being interested? Or is this about knowledge? People just knowing that there's a project that they can support in terms of resourcing? What is the challenge? Or is it about just having staff? I think I can follow up in this matter with what Alfie said. You need a vision. You need a vision that, you know, ignites other people. If you have a good vision, then people say, hey, it's a good idea. I really want to support this. Yeah, this is the most important thing, I guess. Then no matter what platform, it's about your message you have about the vision, and then you can find willing people everywhere. Alright, so you have to be a visionary. I've been just asking who I am. Yes, I can do that. I'm from Wikimedia Deutschland and I'm a communications manager there. And this is my first vikimedia and I'm very curious about all your stories, which I will gather. Anyone else have some thoughts to share about resourcing, where the challenges are, or any answers you might have? Hi everyone, I'm Belinda from Wikimedia Australia. I've been involved in working with the ECAP hub, which is a region we're trying to set up like a collaborative group. So East, Southeast Asia and the Pacific. And I think one of the challenges for us has been we have a vision, we have people, but I think for us we feel we have to have all the answers before we put in our plan. And yeah, I like the way that Yope has been working with us, saying you don't have to have all the answers. You can find out the answers as you're going along, as long as you have the plan and the vision. And maybe some people who have some answers will be in your group, but yeah, a lot of those questions, that's what we're doing. The process will lead us hopefully to some of those answers, but that's definitely been a challenge for us. We think we have to have everything and know everything before we can start our hub. And we don't have to have all the answers straight away. Thank you Belinda. Who else feels that way that you have to have all the answers before you begin the project? I think it's by default that we feel that way. But just curious if we see ways to surmount that and what is the, if we think of it in terms of resource, what is the resource we need that would give us the confidence to go into a project, even with questions that are unanswered? Is it having the right technology? Is it having the right group of people? Is it the vision? What might it be? Or is it just knowing that the flexibility is there? I don't know, it's a tough one. Maybe it's just that we're all perfectionists. What does it say about perfection? It's a blessing and a curse. You want to have all the right answers, but just to add to what Belinda was saying, the good thing about resourcing movement strategy is that in implementing strategy, we don't always have all of the answers. Sometimes the process we're going through is to get the answers that we need. We need to be able to bake in a combination of the vision, the plan, and the open questions. That's why having a learning framework or a learning pathway on your project is often important, because it's through that learning pathway we can say, well, we're going into this, we want to learn. As we're implementing the project, for instance, with Tony, he's not here, he would share, but in implementing their project, initially the sign language community was not the big focus. It was how do they bring the sign language community to work with other editors more closely? And as the project was being implemented, they realized that there's actually a very vibrant sign language community. Even the people who reviewed the proposal previously said, oh, but there's no sign language community. Why are they focusing on that? But they've learned along the way that actually there's a vibrant sign language community that could be better served if they just put in more effort and focused on them a little more. And so that's, he talked about the next proposal, that's the focus currently of the proposal moving forward. That's why I'm asking, does flexibility help us go in with a bit of uncertainty so that we're able to achieve some of our projects? Also just saying that movement strategy kind of helps us to, and is what enables us to try and take those steps. Right. I think this adds on to comments I heard from others. It's a focus thought. I guess I've been involved in six times applying to the Wikimedia Foundation for grant funding and often got it, but not always. And one thing that was distinctive about applying for the movement strategy one was that from the very beginning, we were talking with you about what we were trying to achieve, what is the idea other people are using the word vision, but the purpose of the thing and we were not immediately channeled to some depressing subject like which software you have to log into and how many budget categories there should be and the exact timeframe of beginning and ending or the details of the finances. So I thought that went nicely. It kept our spirits up the whole way through. Thank you. Thank you too. Thank you too. And Afi, just to respond to your challenge earlier on, really apologies for that, but also just to also say that the movement strategy team was not dissolved, but rather the foundation, if you take a look at the annual plan has sort of integrated the movement strategy focus mainstreamed it across different departments. So it was a bit of a tough transition from that from the team that you saw into this more integrated process. And unfortunately, you became casualty in that process, but the process is it is streamlined now and hopefully fewer hiccups than we had previously. You will find a lot of the movements, many of the movement strategy team people in the room, Vivian is on the movement strategy team. She's with communications now. You can go as well. Mahutan was here earlier. Ah, there he is. And I'm in on the community resources team. So we just moved and made sure that, you know, the foundation just made a more strategic decision about how how much more integral the movement strategy process is to our movement and the work that we do. Any other questions, thoughts about resourcing our projects, resourcing our work. I'll ask now a question. Do you know how to get the resources that you need to implement your projects. We broke into groups earlier on and we discussed the projects that we're working on. Some of these projects we're working on as volunteers and some of these projects we can really grow into big ideas. What are the resources that we need for that. And are there any resources that you need. I would like to hear from you. That's great. I'll ask the foundation to just close down all grants if we have no resource needs. Anyone don't be shy. Okay. If you don't want to talk about it right now that's perfectly fine. I'm here throughout your prime time feel free to pull me in a corner and talk about your project. And it's what I'm here for all the way up to Sunday. So if you do have a project, you have an idea that's related to movement strategy, or even just generally and you're not sure how your project connects to movement strategy would be I would be happy to have a conversation with you and see how it is connected. And, yeah, maybe even help flesh out the idea a bit, which is also something we try to do on the movement strategy grants. So we have 10 minutes to go. I think after this we go in for the lunch break. Is it the lunch break. Okay. So after this we go in for the lunch break. We could give you back the next 10 minutes, but the floor is open. Do you have any questions. No questions. So you get 10 minutes back. Oh, right. Okay. Yes. So from the group where I was in at the first or second session. I remember some people from Wikimedia Deutschland. I don't know if they're still here, but they were. Are they. But maybe not the people that were at my work group, but they were saying that the at the at Wikimedia Deutschland, they had a group that was for example, keeping feedback on the moving charter draft. So I was wondering, because I imagine having a chapter having people on their staff. Being able to dedicate their time to review the draft on paid time. That kind of might bias things a little bit at the end. So my question is, do you know if there are other affiliates that are doing that as well. That their staff is being able to put their time and their effort to do that. Okay. Personally can't say for sure, but there are many other affiliates who as a part of their annual plans do have a movement strategy focus at some level. In some cases there are people who are able to dedicate that time. But I mean, the work that Wikimedia Deutschland has been doing, she would speak better to it in supporting, you know, helping advance movement strategy has been going on for quite a bit. So there's a lot of institutional knowledge in that process that comes to bear in the feedback that they give. But as far as I know, there are just about every affiliate has some movement strategy focus in their annual grant in their annual plan. And within that potentially there might be people who do have that focus, but it's not only affiliates who do contribute to the movement charter. Have you contributed? Have you given your feedback? Not personally. I still have to read it. Okay, you might want to take a look at roles and responsibilities because there's a bit of a tech focus and data focus in that and you know what what are the roles and responsibilities that we have in relation to that. Thank you. Thank you. We do have sessions with the movement charter drafting committee today and also tomorrow. So if anyone is interested, please also share your first hand feedback with them. And as you can see, as everyone can see today, we have a couscous and earlier from the equal community, those are the movement charter ambassadors. So they are volunteers who apply for a smaller grant and really share the experience from their community on the charter. So this is also something that's available that the current consultation is still ongoing. And so to share feedbacks. Yep. Yeah. Yes. All right. Also, just to say that that there's one initiative of the movement strategy that ties to recommendation number four equity and decision making regional and thematic hubs. And within the regional and thematic hubs, there are some answers potentially some questions about resourcing as well that could be answered in that space. So we'll be talking about regional and thematic hubs for those who've been engaged with the movement strategy conversations. The hubs are a bit of a hot topic at the moment. So please do feel free to join the hubs conversations coming up later. Right. And that's a wrap for today. Thank you so much. Please put your hands together for yourselves. Do come back again to 325 if you want to join the discussion on hub in the afternoon, we will be hearing from different hubbers from all different regions and all different groups.