 2020 right-wing scheduled Berlin Sledward meeting to order. With us is Justin Lawrence on speaker phone. Flo Smith to my left. John Quint on my right. Angelina Capron is here also on phone. We have one addition to the agenda for Tom Willard and be appointed to the conservation commission. And we are now to public comment. Okay. I'm sorry, I didn't hear that. Public comments. Okay, I'm here in reference to the opening of Black Road to Zummelbiel. Yeah. One of which there was no warning via paper to even give me any sort of indication that this was being considered. Two years ago it was considered in, although I didn't attend that meeting, my son did. There was two or three people in favor. All of the rest of the folks from the town of Berlin were opposed. And all of a sudden, apparently they're gonna, they've already okayed up. One, if you look at that road, if you're headed up from here by the pond, when you go to make a right hand turn on Black Road, it's not a 90 degree angle, it's more like a 75 degree angle. The town can't plow the road right there. There's a huge bank because they have to plow it with a push track. That palli also bank up on the right hand side, very high. So when you're making a right hand turn, you can't see over the bank. You have to swing the corner extremely wide because it's a 75 degree angle. Second off on that road, in Bonifil Scott's house for his driveway, there's a considerable incline, there's a hill right there, it peaks right at his driveway. You cannot see one side from the other for more than 100 feet, especially even with a car, you can barely see somebody. A snowmobile, you're not gonna see them till they're right on top of you. That is just a bad idea. Second off, and I quote from the paper, this is, I believe Mr. Quinn, I think it's a good place to start, he said, suggesting allowing on-road use could prompt adjacent home grand owners to allow trail crossing their property instead of using the road. Is that correct? Fair phrasing, yeah. It doesn't seem to me that it's, the boards should be taking up the matter of forcing grand owners, myself included, as well as my neighbor, to open our property snowmobiles. The reason I received it originally as my neighbor as well, opened our property, is because a certain gentleman on the other side of the road, Josh Walker, came up and asked permission, he lied to my son, he lied to Earl Emerson, where they were gonna cross, no part of that, I want no part of that, that's why they will not cross by property. He is a liar. So we're not gonna get into that type of. Well, that's fine. We're not. I wanted to, I wanted to stay on my, yep, no, and I appreciate it, but I can tell you where I was coming from when I made that statement. Well, I don't believe it's his board's right to do that. I don't believe it's ethical, and I'm not sure about the legality of that. Okay. I mean, as a board member on the select board, you really believe you should be trying to force me to open my property? So if you'd let me explain my comment, then I'd be happy to share with you. My comment was being, being new to the area, being new to the conversation overall, I didn't know what the conversation was with the previous landowners. My intent was to get outdoor recreation started where there's a trail coming from Berlin to Northfield and vice versa. Over time, when we have more time because it's now the middle of October, we can approach landowners and see if they would like to bring it up in the woods, if they don't, that's okay. My intent was not to force anyone to feel like they had to bring it on their land, and that's your right, you don't have to bring it on your land. And I don't believe your intent for a moment, to be honest with you. All right. Because two years ago, there was a meeting right here in his varied room addressing the same thing. Well, I wasn't here two years ago. In the same part, and out of all the people that showed up, other than two or three people who spoke of varied thunder chickens, and Chef Walker, everybody else in the room was opposed to that. Yeah. And all of a sudden, we're not even warned in his past, we didn't have any warning whatsoever. Well, I wasn't here two years ago. Well, maybe you should have looked at the records. Okay. Or some of these other gentlemen were here two years ago. They didn't make a comment to that. I mean, you were here two years ago. You remember the meetings? Oh, yeah. They were a poor idea. I mean, that trail going black row is a poor idea there. It still is. Well, when we took, in that meeting, we okayed using the cross-town road to go under the bridge. Right now, too. To Justin's Lawrence's land. We didn't approve anything beyond that. That's correct. I had that here as well. Yeah. Now, they approve according to the paper and according to your minutes, you've approved using black row. Again, one of the troubles I'm seeing here with all of this is that there was a, I mean, it's going to be a trail to nowhere because apparently with the truck, with the land trust and the land that they are looking to go and use to get to connect to Northfield, there's no allowance for motor vehicles. That's correct. So it doesn't matter. I mean, I can't foresee anything going up and down black road. They can't go anywhere. It's just a dead end. But then will I pass a law or pass an ordinance to allow them to do so? Well, that was passed before I had read the covenants of the land trust. So with knowing the covenants, there's no way that even, well, I mean, getting under the throughway is all right, but going on the roads is a dead issue. I think we need to see the proposed map by vast to see where they intend to put the trail, right? I mean, we need to look at it all the way through. I'm trying to think. I don't know the way to land up there that well, but I don't believe there's any way to get to Northfield once you get up, even because Downhill blocks you. That's right. City of Montpelier has already refused use of their property. They're on the other side of the road. They've already refused that. Again, from the last meeting, there's no way after what's going on. So I know the conservation. Be careful. I know that. I'm having a little hard time hearing, but I'm from the conservation commission. Yeah, we need to, we need to weigh in here. Okay, go ahead. Okay. They are on the agenda. Excuse me, excuse me. Allen, Allen, and Phil. Phil Gentili from the conservation commission. Phil, Phil, Phil, we're gonna have you on at 730, okay? I understand that. I'm wondering if the gentleman in the audience would like to have a copy of what we sent to this lightboard that may clarify some issues for him. I can do that, but I think we'll clarify it when we get to your piece of the agenda. We have other business here. So if everybody could just hold on, okay? Okay. Can you hold on? Yeah. Okay, good. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, so any other public comment? Hearing none, choasers to court be in? Okay, I have another contractor's application for payment under four from being turned by former. And it's put in the amount of 390,000, 66,000 from 38 cents, it has been signed up by the contractor, the engineer, and the USDA, and I do need the chair to report to sign up on it. But I do believe that we need to get something to prove it. No motion. I make the motion to approve the amount of 390,066 dollars and 38 cents as presented by Diane Isabel. I'll second that. All those in favor? Aye. Justin. Justin and Angelina, can you hear us? I can't even hear what you guys are saying with the cutoff that we have, so I could almost point less, so we're gonna have to let you vote. Okay. Yeah. Can you go ahead and do your arts with which to be able to hear the meeting? I will. Thank you. Thank you. I'm not sure what I'm talking about. I'm not sure what you're talking about. We didn't do that at all. Do you want to take and go over that, Tom? It's just the approval of the contractor's application for payment. What do you want me to do? Angelina and Justin. They said it was breaking up. So it's the part of the Payton Turnpike North sewer project. It's just the regular requisition from the contractor. I don't want them to lose money. 390,066 dollars and 38 cents. 390,066 dollars in some change. Vote ye or nay. Angelina and Justin, they're looking for a ye or nay from you. Justin, was that an aye, Justin? I vote in favor of they'll take care of it, okay. I think he hung up. Okay, motion carries. Are you signing on your own? Yeah, you owe me that now. It's over here? Yep. Sign away. There you go, that's all you've got. Thank you very much, man. Okay, let's see what you need to report. We'll skip right to the state police barricade location, Captain Michael Manley. Yep, that's correct. You're on. All right, so we just, this is Sheryl Lynn and Joel. They work for state BGS, so they're kind of the experts as far as the building, the history of it and what we're looking to do there. So I'll flip it to them once I do my piece. We just, you're introduced to the project, I think by a letter of Commissioner Sherling said, so that was kind of our outreach to say, hey, this is something that we're seriously considering on doing. So there's, it's not like it's gonna happen next month. This is a long, rather long-term project. It would be something that would happen next year, near the other year, something like that. Things go well. So, the middle sex barracks, as people know, is pretty worn down. It's an old building. It has serious electrical sewer issues. Joe probably, Sheryl Lynn probably, speak to that too. It's just, it's done. I mean, I started there 20 years ago and it was done then. So, it's really bad. And I would, I welcome anyone if you wanna come tour it, you wanna look around so you can really see first hand with where this place is at. It's just, it's rough. So, it's, we really gotta find something new to get the troopers in so they got their space to do their work. You know, the idea was to build a new barracks like we have around the state. Places like Westminster, New Haven, Derby, St. Aldens have new buildings and they're all architecturally pretty similar. So, we have kind of a standard that we like to build, but just with budget issues that we have another project, the Wilson Barracks needs to get replaced. It just, it's not feasible right now to build two new barracks. So, that's why we kind of were steered towards renovating an existing building in the area that was centrally located and this building down the road kind of fit the bill and you know, we've kind of started the bidding process and getting an architect and how that, I'll let Cheryl and Archel speak to that. And then, you know, the other reason I want to be here just if anyone had any questions, you know, what it's like to have a state police barracks as a neighbor, I can certainly speak to that if anyone's concerned on what that would bring to the area. As far as I'm concerned, it's all good stuff, but if anyone does have any concerns, I'll certainly answer those kind of questions. Yeah, we're just, we're excited to, you know, get the troopers into a better space that will allow them to be more functional and it's just the middle sex barracks, it's just beyond the area, it's bad. I have to go, okay. How long do you expect to be here? Well, it's hard to say. You know, a lot of it depends on budgets and how much, I mean, Joe or Cheryl, I mean, that's hard to say. It's gonna be, you know, we're not gonna spend the money we're gonna spend and just be there for six months. I mean, it'll be, we'll be there for a while. Whether we'll be there for 10 years, 15 years, 20, I don't, that's hard to say. I don't know. Joe or Cheryl, any? At this point, we don't know. I mean, basically it's to build a permanent facility. So moving out of middle sex, moving into Burma. I know, I know what you're saying. So when we say we don't know how long, are you talking about the building or the town? The building, yeah, the building. So if we ended up, if the state ended up having the funds to build a new facility, you know, this is a good central location for the barracks to be. So we could end up, I know, I think, Joe, you probably explored trying to buy land. We started a project looking at relocating you five, six years ago, I think we went out to the task to see where we supplied land close to the interstate. Nothing came up. We didn't look at the library site because it was still a library back in those days. Now that things have changed, Berlin was not on the radar. Relocated to middle sex wasn't on the radar. It's just that neither was Williston right off. Things have changed a little bit. And so Williston was up first and then now middle sex because of the condition of the existing facility. So we had the opportunity in Berlin at the old library site where we were looking at is creating a temporary facility first and potentially tearing it down and building new, maybe buying land if need be. But the cost just weren't there. We were looking at two and a half million to make a temporary site. And what the legislature was giving us for land purchase and design was roughly the same dollar amount. So we looked at is throwing out that wealth. What if we made it a permanent home? Because it's roughly 25, 3000 square feet more than what they have now. It doesn't match the existing new barracks that we're building. However, it would still be a great improvement for what they have. The downside of building now to make it a permanent home is the energy code. So there's, you know, we're gonna have to strip the inside of the outside walls and increase insulation. Some of the windows in the building are single pane from the 60s when it was built. They've got to be changed out. In 86, 87, we put an addition on the building and that has six inch walls. However, today's energy code wants a little bit more our value, same with the roof. So we've got to do that. We want to sprinkle the building. The building will have two holding cells. So, you know, if they're paying somebody off the street or whatever, they're bringing them in. It's temporary holding. They technically are not spending the night and the whole day. They're brought in, processed, and that's when somebody can transport them to another facility or do it again the next day. But there'll be two holding cells. When we were able to fit that all in the existing building, it's not as pretty as we would like because one part of the building where the holding cells are going has got a three, three and a half foot difference in elevation. But we can make it work inside of the money that the legislature has given us. And there will be future renovations because we don't have the funds to do everything that we would like to do right out of the gate, like we move to the new building. However, by starting with the outside walls and working our way in, giving them a functional facility, we should be pretty good for over the years. Right now, we're not looking at an addition. We're looking at keeping the same parking, same drive. The drive doesn't need work. So we are looking to, on the inclined portion, to repay that. You just ran the sewer line through there. We have onsite septic. It is capped at, for us, for our frequency of 25. But in the 30 plus years I've been here, we never want to be in the sewer business because if something fails, it's always, you know, wrong time, always at night, something like that. We can't get people. So we're going to connect both the water and sewer and abandon, close the well and do away with the septic system. There will be a area on the east side, I guess. There'll be their securing yard. So there'll be a fence with an electronic gate that they will be able to come and go in and park some of their vehicles. Some of, you know, it was an impound vehicle. And also go to the back of the building, if you will, to come into where their holding cells will be. And Sally poured in there for a vehicle, grabbed a vehicle in, to be able to take the person out of the car and bring them in to process them. The fencing, are you saying is that going to be visible from the road, or is that just going to be behind the building or over the crowd? I don't, because of the heights of the building and where it's going to be. I don't know how well you know the property, but as you crest up and go sort of towards the back of the building, I envision it, and maybe towards the end of the, what is the parking lot, or what was the parking lot, have a gate in that area, not 100% sure yet. Funding's going to drive that, so it may have to go closer towards the back. But I don't think you're going to be able to see from the road. If it is, it's going to be very minimal. It's not a 12-foot high razor ribbon and all that. That's none of the targets. But it'll be all the other facilities are black, vinyl coated fence. I have two questions. One for you. How many officers are there going to be stationed there? So the total, it's like 25, 27. Yeah, we just were having this conversation today, actually about like a normal day shift during a week. We'll have about 11 personnel there on the weekends. It cuts down to about six, you know, depending on staffing. Okay, and for you guys, do you guys have enough money from the legislature to do the full outfit to get them in the building or you just have enough to do the architecture review? We have enough to do it all according to our estimates. Okay. Are I seeing right now where our biddings that we've seen come in had one that was 50% lower than our estimate. Everything else is 100 to 180% higher through the materials. There's not a lot of right now, softwood lumber is very high and hard to get hold of. We're probably not going to have that on the inside of the building if anything would be metal studs in sheet rock. So I don't think that price-wise we should be that bad. If we are lucky, we're going to have a construction management firm and we could be out on the street for bidding out the sub-trades as early as March or April and it's working with our architectural firm. What's your estimated completion date? I think it was December. Officer Eddie, September? December. December. December, yeah, 2021, I think is what our RPC said. Okay. Joe, I think you and I spoke on the phone before about water and sewer. I sent you some allocation forms. Just remind her to get those in. That's why we're hiring an RPC. Yeah. But yes, we have a design act because we are going with a full sprinkler and they'll do that testing first to find out exactly what size we'll have to bring in from the street. We don't charge an allocation for fire protection. We do just charge on consumption. So it'll be on your head count for both water and sewer. So when you have your engineering board, but that's one of the first things you need to do. Right. Nope. I've been through it before and know that. I've had this once in a while a few things but our intent is to comply. What about concerns? Is there any concerns? That's one of the main reasons why I wanted to come tonight. Is there anyone that is concerned about having the barracks in the town? Where it is? Is there any? I personally have not heard of. I haven't either. I haven't either. I say welcome. Yeah. I mean, most towns, it's a plus because you're getting that extra coverage, control. You know, we always want it to be a good neighbor, obviously. And there's issues with deal with them. But in the 20 years I've been doing this, I can't even think of one time where it was, you know, someone that has a house nearby. There was an issue like it's always, we always had great relationships with the folks that live around our barracks and, you know, it's just a good location there too because it's close to the interstate. There are troopers that have to go up there and take care of crashes and other things. And like I said, you can get to the majority of the county pretty efficiently from here, so. Now, the state police, they're the ones that respond to the state hospital. The one down here, Vettel's Sexual, the one next to the barracks, are you talking about the one here? No, no, the state hospital, the new one that you put in over here by the... That's the Berlin police department. Berlin. Is that when you move in? Will you take over that? No. That's not the plan. But we have no attention on pushing the police department. Well, I wouldn't complain. Yeah, no, I mean, we're always, you know, like we're always willing to assist any police department that needs a hand, so that's a daily basis. So if there isn't... I'm just thinking you're closer. Yeah, I mean, that's... At that, when we move in, you'll be closer. That topic hasn't come up. You know, off the top of my head, I would say, you know, it's probably, because we have a lot of area to already take good care of, start, and we're sprint then, you know, because you know, on a normal shift, there's four troopers patrolling this entire county. And then, you know, 50 miles of interstate. And so they have a lot to do. And the middle section is call-wise, it's known to be, you know, busy barracks. They take care of a lot of calls. There's not a lot of idle time for the troopers that work out at barracks, so. Any other questions for Corporal Manley? Yeah. Captain Manley. That's okay. It's been 20 years, Brad. He's put in his time. What it is, I will say, you know, having that be my first station 20 years ago, like it's kind of, it's rewarding to see it and all this project looks like it's gonna happen and it'll be a much better space for them to work, so I just wanna say thank you for, I mean, this was just announced three weeks ago or something and you got on the phone right away to us, to the town and offered to come up and thank you for that. Yeah, no, we can always come back as the project, you know, goes along and people are always welcome to stop down and see it. You know, obviously, when we, if it all goes well and we get it built and finalized and, you know, we'll do an open house type thing so folks can come see it and meet the commander of the barracks and others. Yeah, we'll, and if there's any questions, you can reach out to myself, you have my contact, Joe or Sherilyn, always available too. So, yeah, I see us coming back at least one more time, not twice and we need more, we can do that. Thank you. Well, thank you very much for coming in. Thank you. All right, I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Enjoy your evening. Thanks. You too. Thank you. Okay, Tom, just your real cohort. Real quickly, we've completed the survey work down there and it may appear that we could get into a smaller structure than originally the 40-ish feet that we were talking about. We're gonna meet with Jared to talk about that this coming week. So it may be smaller than what was originally thought. We are doing the soils work in the next two weeks and that's gonna determine the capability of the footings, what's gonna need to be part of the footings for the project. After we have that piece of the puzzle, that's gonna be the driver with what ultimately the structure's gonna look like. So I hope to have some preliminary budget numbers for you guys in two weeks at your next meeting. So it all depends if they can get out there, if the weather holds and they can get their drill rig in and get it done. Did Otter Creek have anything else to say on this? I mean, on the, on what type of structure would be best? Well, they've gone with that half pipe, that coincident hunt, that was the thought process. Sealer concrete. Cast concrete, yep. As the most, seems to be the most economical right now. Relate the time. Correct. And a lot's gonna depend on this soil. Soil's work that we're doing, yep. We have the Conservation Commission here. Brad. Okay, let's take a look at that. Ken, you wanna get it? Phil? He's not here from the Conservation Committee though. Can you hear me? Yeah. So, the floor, can you tell me who's all here from the Conservation Committee? Who's he? I am, I'm not gonna be sitting here. Tom? Yeah. Tom Willard's here. Okay. Okay. That's you here. I guess you couldn't make it, the URL. I see Ellen's name on the phone. Is Ellen here or are you calling in on Ellen's phone? I'm calling in on my phone, but she's with my grandson. Okay. You won't be here. Okay, all right. So, I think the select board received a memo for months concerning the bath trail and the use of public land. And the commission would, I guess, we would just like to inform the select board and maybe begin a dialogue with the select board on public use of town lands. And when this came up two weeks ago at the meeting, we thought it was appropriate for us to get a memo off the select board to give them a little bit of the history of Irish Hill and the town lands up there and how it would pertain to a bath trail. And since then more information has come to light. And I think if the select board would like, we could discuss some now. There's probably some new information in this memo that you read that you didn't have two weeks ago. And we'd be willing, you know, not only to have a discussion right now, I know we only have 10 or 15 minutes, but again, long-term future, maybe we could address this with the select board at a meeting with this would be the topic, public use of land specifically, how it would relate to that. And other groups that you would love to work with us, you know, partnership on public lands. Well, I can see no problems with that, Phil. I was just reading some of the covenants of the easements and it basically says no, no basic motorized vehicles on the public land. Hey, is Tom Wellard on the phone? Yeah. Tom, did you hear that question? Basically, the consensus from the memo is they're thinking that there's no motorized vehicles on those town lands. Yeah, it's, the way the easement is written is that motorized use on the three parcels of the easement lands is permitted if the town adopts a forest management plan and the Vermont Land Trust approves it, that it would be permitted. And in the short term, Tom, what about if we were, if you were to make it to the bridge, you take a side-by-side for emergency services. Would that have to go through this? I'm sorry, I think point, Gary, to build a bridge for emergency services? Yes. Yes. Well, I think that on the Darling Road, the Darling Road is a townhouse and it's a trail and I don't think even the dark, my opinion would be that the Darling Road itself, actually it's a trail, that's a great trail, would be under the town's control and not under the easement. I'm not sure about that, but it just seems logical to me that if you have a town trail or a town road right away across the land, that that is not considered. In fact, I think that motorized vehicle, as long as it's on the Darling Trail itself, is probably just under the purview of the town's authority. That's just my opinion, I'm not sure that's true. Well, I know there was a mishap up there a month ago. And I was just wondering what the most expedient way to get to the top would be, would it be from this side or from the Darling Road side? Better from the Crosstown Road side, do you mean? Oh, yes. Yes, which was most expedient, Crosstown Road side or Darling Road side? You know, it depends where you are up there, but the top is probably six or one and a half a dozen and the other is probably equal distance either up the Quarry Road from the Quarry State Forest or up the Darling Road, probably equal distance. So let's take the bridge out of it just for a minute. Just assume the bridge isn't there or we don't need the bridge for a snow machine trail. The sign at the beginning of the trail says the motorized vehicles are allowed, right? On both Darling and the Tower Road. But you're saying that snow machines don't fall under that? Periphrasing, but yeah. I think it's basically, I think it's based on ATVs. Doesn't specify. In the November, in the November 15th. Resilient in the Darling Road. It's safe that ATVs are allowed, it does not mention snow machines. Yeah, I think a while ago we got select border pool for ATVs as long as they stayed on the Darling Road. And I guess, I don't remember, I guess that's a bridge line trail as well. I'm not sure, to be honest with you, we ever included that in the plan and got BLT approval. So I think that's a problem that the Conservation Commission historically has. I think that didn't realize the sign. Can I cut in here? I'm okay with it. All right, Josh. We are, Josh, can you just state your name? We're not really looking to use much of the town force land. The town force lands that we're looking to go across is up beyond the, beyond the antenna up there. So we would take the Darling Road up to the ridge line trail, which goes up to the Tower. And then just past the tower is private owned land that we've got permission from that borders the new trunk of Berlin Town Forest, which would get us over to the Berlin Town Forest owns a slice of land between some private land owners. I'm not sure what the town forest land is called up there, but it's a guy, Carl Brisson, and Joe Di Maratino. And so there was just a little section of Berlin Town Forest up there that we want to cross. And we would stay right on the main darling road and then the Ridgeline Trail. And then that would be the only town land that we need to be on, which I thought was already approved for motorized vehicles. Yeah. Can the conservation commission get us a map? I've got a map right here. A detailed map of what the easements are on each of those. Tell them I'm. Well, that's not a problem. I got a map. OK. I don't know what's going on. That would get one to Tom, really. I'm just confused right now. Right here is where the Ridgeline Trail, here's the tower. I see people saying this is Berlin Town Forest. Getting on toward the end of the allotted time of this one. OK. If we'll put this on another meeting. Yeah. Is it worth a special meeting to discuss this? I don't know. I'm fine with that. There seems to be conflicting information here. And my thing is, we're going into another COVID season, outdoor recreation. These trails should be able to be open for everyone. And it seems a little bit like we're picking and choosing if we allow ATVs that actually do a little harm to trails compared to the snow machines. And if we all look at the maps, and I think maybe Josh can hit up the maps for the rest of us, using existing trails, I don't see any reason why we wouldn't approve this. Do you want me to interject something? Sure. I opened my property on Black Road to Vast. This was several years ago. Not only did they not stay on the trail that I helped them clear, they threw garbage out on the property. Beer cans, beer bottles. When I called Vast and told them we have a problem, you need a police desk. They said, you can't expect us to control the property and stop everybody that uses our trails. So I stopped them from using the trails. They will never use a trail across my property again. And it's totally not like that anymore. Eight ways to Sunday on using Berlin Pond Road or Black Road. I can assure you with that, if there is another meeting concerning this, I certainly appreciate being notified. In fact, I believe it should be warned in the paper. So other people who live on Black Road might have a chance to comment as well. Because I know that first meeting, it was a large number of people that were not happy with the prospect. I'm sure there's still air, but most fired. I think what we'll do is we'll put this on to another agenda. We'll take and let everyone know. But right now, we've got to move on to the next item here. Very good. So just take in Tom or someone will call you up. Or give them a sound. I appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah. Not a problem. Very good. Thank you. I don't think we ought to get in the practice of calling individual people, though. I think we ought to post it like we should. Post it in the paper. That's fine. In all the places that we should. We don't have a time in the paper. They used to post warnings of meetings in the free press all the time. Actually, I looked on the town website for the agenda for tonight, and I couldn't find it. Yeah, I couldn't find the agenda. Because I had people from the neighboring snowmobile clubs. Let me show you how I get on to it. So I just want to make sure that we're clear. So even without the bridge being repaired, Josh, you guys would be all set. OK, I'll talk to you in the conservation committee myself. Yeah. Tomorrow I'll stop and see Tom and show him what we're talking about. Because I think there's conflicting information here. I think we're going to go and renegade all this land up there, which is totally not the case. Right. So our understanding originally was you guys were using pre-existing trails. Exactly. Yeah, we're not even going to have to cut a tree. Right. So I think if everyone has a chance to talk, there should be resolvable very easily. Do you understand that, where we are on there? Yeah, please be the one with exactly the spot. Is there going to be another meeting? Are you just throwing it out? Do you stand by? I'd really like to listen to one of them. It's really not good having cyborgs, OK? OK, this is the room comes out. We'll do this in another meeting. And hopefully it's more than 10 minutes because it's going to take more than 10 minutes to have this discussion. So the answer, you sir, there is going to be another meeting. OK. Next meeting? Will it be posted out here or posted? Or sooner. How will it be posted? We're sooner. We have a short deadline. We put it on the town website and we put it here. And I will call you. I'm sorry if you don't have email. I don't know what to do. I do not have email. Anyways, OK. I will call you. OK, very good. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. OK. I'm interested just for a second if we could. He's holding up a sign with a Vermont State statue on it. What is that? Could you just elaborate what that? Yeah, I just want to make sure because I saw it. I know there are state law statues. I'm not an expert of them at all, but I believe that it does read that the town of Berlin has the power through this to open up a road for the purpose of snowmobiling if that's what you agree on. Yeah, just another thing for the Berlin conservation. I don't know if they're aware, but bikes right now, class one, class two, class three, motorized bikes. It's a thing that's coming too. So as they consider any motorized views up on that land, hopefully if they don't already know about it, hopefully it can start paying attention to conversations. And we've been working with it at the town of Berry Forest, with the trust for public land and stuff like that. And we're allowing class one bikes. And then class two and three, basically, they start acting more like a motorcycle. But as people get older, they're using that assistance. So something to be aware of. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. Any else you need? No, sorry. Thank you. That's it. So I don't know if you've heard all that, Phil. We're going to make maybe next meeting. I don't know if it's going to be next meeting. I think we probably need to gather some information here. And I think it's like we're maybe need to digest some of this. Well, we are the conservation committee need to have a conference with Vermont Landtrop and see if it's not a problem at all. We might, as Tom Willard mentioned, the town said, ATVs on that trail. But in fact, we didn't notify them correctly. So we'd have to do a little homework, too. OK. And the bridge family, let's flip the bridge right now. We're not doing much with the bridge. Personally, I think we ought to pause until we figure out what we can. The suggestion is just to put this issue on pause until we get it right. Did you hear that, Phil? Yeah. OK. Yeah, I'm just going to react to it, too. I know that we've had approval to move ahead with the bridge from a meeting in early May. I think all the commission members are still listening. So we'll take that on advisement, too, and have more information for everybody at the next meeting, I guess. And it will likely not be the next select board meeting. We've all got to gather our information and collectively share it and digest it. So I doubt that that's going to happen in two weeks. But maybe it can. OK. All right? But you let me know, Phil, where the conservation commission is. We will do a little more research and get back to you. Thank you, Phil. Thank you. Yeah? Thank you. Have a good night. OK, Brandy Saxon. She on? Brandy, are you on the phone? I am. OK. So are you with us? Pardon me? Is Carla on the tube? Carla, are you on? Carla's going to call him. Oh, OK. OK, Brandy, you're on. I've got a bunch of this agenda as well, so go ahead. OK. Well, first thing I was going to talk to you to talk about was the neighborhood development area. We have been in previous meetings talking about the new center decision looking at the map of that area. But we are also doing an application for a neighborhood development area. And that does not have to be the exact same geographic area as the Newtown Center. It can be anything within the Newtown Center, anything within a quarter of a mile of the Newtown Center. And you may be able to push that quarter of a mile out further if you can make some arguments about why you can't use the land that you do have within a quarter of a mile. So you should have gotten a map to look at or have map there to look at, showing three pieces of land that the planning commission looked at last week. And we think that these are a good starting point for the neighborhood development area designation. So it would be the mall property and the car dealership. So everything that's in the Newtown Center on the south side, essentially a Fisher Road, it would not be the main campus of the hospital, because they don't plan to put any housing over there. And then it would be two pieces of land that's run on team Turnpike, where you've got services and we can make the argument for pedestrian connectivity and such for those areas. So that is the recommendation for the boundary to serve with. The one thing we did hear from the Burlington when we talked to them was that they had been fairly successful in the years since they got their initial designation in going back and getting additional properties and boundary changes once they have their original designation. So you can go to the neighborhood development area program with a specific property and project. The developer can do that or the town could do it in partnership with the developer. So in the future, as the development expands and pushes out here from the Newtown Center, you will have other opportunities to continue to add land to the neighborhood development area. So we want to, in the first round, we want to get the land that's got the most likely to be in the land of services that's most likely to be enjoyable soon. And that you can meet the walkability requirements for. So we did have a little bit of talk at the planning commission about going out further on Stewart Road or other directions to the west. Other properties to the west. But that would require more commitment on the town side in terms of sidewalks. And then what we're currently showing. So the end of that discussion with them holds the V3 as a recommendation. And then in the future, potentially, seek further properties to the west. Brandy, can you go over the benefits? You've provided this benefit sheet, so. Yes. I just give you the benefit matrix. So right now, the major benefit under the statute that's written that the properties that get into the NDA will get, it's a bit of a technical thing. But from an actually tricky point of view, they will be considered existing settlements. So under criteria 9L and actually 50, that's the fall-related criteria. They, these properties would not have to meet the requirements of that criteria. It would be considered existing settlements, like the land and village sediments, and venerated downtown. So that's the big advantage. There is language in there in the statute with benefits for priority housing projects. I think the one thing that property owners and the program will run into, because right now, those projects are limited to 25 units, that that's actually going to be probably smaller than most of the housing projects that you would see in this area. So it's not less that that's going to be as much of a benefit in Berlin right now as it is in some other places which have larger populations and don't have that cap. If there's going to be, let me speak up. So if there's going to be bike paths and whatnot to these other areas, then when we do Fisher Road, maybe we should, I mean, the coal work, we should keep that in mind. Yeah, so I have a question along those same lines. One of the problems with the 30 acres that Mr. Lamberton brought up when he was here was there was no way to connect them. If we had a bike path along, essentially along the sidewalk or Fisher Road down to his property, does it then connect them? We have a lot of extra hospital space here in parking lots that Mr. Lamberton is likely to build and develop his land before they ever do anything with the parking lots. And so I'm just wondering, is there a way around it by building a bike path along the side of the road there to meet the needs of both? I'm asking about putting a bike path in Fisher Road. That would be gross and would definitely be the commitment the town has to walkability in this area. You look at the official map, a few meetings ago. And that shows sidewalks on Haynes Turnpike in Fisher Road. But that could be substituted out with a bike path. So if you are thinking about sizing some infrastructure along there, thinking about having either sidewalks or a path of some sort would be a good idea. The issue with regards to Mr. Lamberton's property and being in the Newtown Center, which is distinct from this neighborhood development area, is that the walkability and connection used to be between the two properties, between the mall property and his property. And that involves the stream that runs in between them. And there are wetlands on each side of the street. So getting a particular pedestrian connection and basically continuous development on a east-west access through there is pretty difficult to see how that would work out. The neighborhood development area criteria are a little bit different. And the perimeter idea of sidewalks or a bike path along Haynes Turnpike in Fisher Road would meet those requirements. So there's a slightly different requirement for the two programs. Yeah, so I was trying to solve the problem of Mr. Lamberton's concerns on connecting it with a bike path along Fisher Road and Payne Turnpike. I think hearing the concerns of Mr. Lamberton, neighborhood development doesn't do him any good in that area because of costs already associated. Whether you talk with him or not, that would be a benefit to his property. And we're continuing to talk through that. My sense, because Brandon, we just have shared some meetings with Wayne and his team here just this last week, my sense is that they're getting a little better comfort level with the neighborhood development area. As you said, those discussions are still going on. It's not the perfect solution, but it's a good solution. So I think they see some value. And I always hate putting words in people's mouths. And again, maybe we'll have Wayne visit this group again here in the near future. Did you all get Mr. Lamberton's email today? OK. I probably do. I haven't. Yeah, I think it'd be good for all of us to just read it and absorb what he's saying. Because I think there's some fairly big impacts to his property as well. Ray, I'm going to jump down here to number five. And you talked about the whole application process and seminal. OK. So I just wanted to update the platform on the schedule and where we are. We are in the process of putting together the draft applications for both the new town center and the neighborhood development area. I expect there to be a draft, those drafts, available for you to review prior to your next meeting in two weeks. Although you're in three weeks. The planning commission is going to be on October 28 of October and review and hopefully sign off on the draft and the goal would be for the split board to do the same. I think you're maybe November 2. That's correct. Yes. Yes. And then following that, we can submit the preliminary application. That doesn't mean that we are wedged to everything that's in that application. We can still be making changes in adjustments before the final. But we get it off to the state so that they do their reviews, which can be two to three months. So we want to get that to them as soon as possible. We think we've got a complete enough package here that we're going to be able to do that. But you guys get to be the ones to say yes as it is. How long can we go before we can't make any changes to it? Randy, once we have a draft in, how long can we go so we cannot make any changes, any further changes? The state will do their review and they'll get back to us with comments. Then we need to put together a final application. So we can make whatever changes we want up until the final application. So we're not limited on the type of change? I just want to make sure. No, I mean, if we started it entirely over with something different, I think we'd have to go back to the preliminary process. Right, so I think we can continue to make and make adjustments, yes. Randy, I just want to make sure everyone's clear. So if we adjust the boundaries of the area of the Newtown Center, would that be considered a significant change to where we would have to resubmit or would that be considered okay? Adjust the boundaries to include Mr. Webberton's land in the final and not have offered that to the state to look at in the preliminary. I don't think that would work. The state is going to want to do that review because that's a significant addition of land that they would have looked at. Randy, can you just refresh all of our memories on the initial town center map did not include the hospital? And can you talk about why the hospital is included now? So when you did the town plan, you basically collared in the area between hanging Turnpike 62 and Fisher Road and the area that you would be looking at for the Newtown Center knowing that not all of it could get in because it was more than 125 acres. When the town had, after you adopted this plan or maybe even accepted before the plan got adopted, you had a meeting, a planning system had a meeting with the folks at the state or the preliminary. We're thinking about applying type of meeting and got some guidance from them. There was some initial mapping done looking at where the 125 acres might lie and they provided feedback on that approach which tried to cut out more of the wetlands that just leave in the developed lowland. They didn't like that approach. They at some point, favorably upon the idea of getting the hospital campus in and that is ultimately the direction that we went with this process after sort of weighing that versus getting the school in. And we talked about the issues with getting the school in actually the same issues as getting Mr. Lamberton's land in, it's making that crossing. That's a problem. So the northbound access just became much more viable to meet the criteria. Thank you. You guys have any further questions of Brandy? Not right now. Nope. Okay Brandy, I'm going to cut to loose. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Brandy. So I've got a couple items here. The first one is the municipal support letter for a municipal facility in the Berlin town center. It doesn't obligate the town to put something there. It says that you'll investigate it when the time comes. So again, this is a piece that has to be part of that application Brandy just mentioned. I hope you folks have had a chance to review it and I'd ask for your consideration and approval of this resolution of support. I make the motion to approve the resolution in support of locating the future municipal facilities in the Berlin town center as presented by Tom Badaugin and inclusive in our packet tonight. You're second. I'll second it. Any further discussion? Yes. It's indeed. I just want to make sure I understand it correctly. So if we're, in my mind, we're not still 100% sold on the boundaries, right? So, will the draft submission be submitted once we do this? Or do- There are several pieces. This, some other things that we have tonight. Brandy Commission officially is adopting all the maps and stuff, bringing it to you guys and you guys look at the maps and say, okay, this is what we want to do. For a draft. Or it's a draft, yeah. Okay. Okay, I just want to make sure that we have that. You have the last bite of the apple. Okay. You guys have the last bite of the apple. The thing that strikes me about this is that at some point in time, we're going to have to figure out what we are willing to put over there as far as town- Municipal facilities. Municipal facilities. I personally don't feel that it would be proper to put a police station over there. It's just too crowded. Town offices. More so. That makes more sense to me. To move any of the fire or rescue or anything like that over there, again, you have the same problem with the police. It's just too crowded. Car is coming and going. You don't want to be running over grandma going into Walmart. So. Who's grandma? Yeah. It doesn't matter who it is. Whoever it is, it's not going to be good. But, you see what I'm saying? Yeah. For the town offices to have a building or for the town to consider putting a building over there, it would need to be the town offices. Right. What you all have to just keep in fact in mind, this is all planning documents. So this is for a future that may be 10 or 15 years up. I can envision a public work, a true public work department for the town of Berlin in the not that distant future. And, you know, it could be the public work board, the apartment that's over there. Oh yeah. There's multiple uses that you can do over there. And nothing says that we have to build. Nothing says that. We could lease space off someone that's already building over there. So, you know, that puts us in a better position of not having to maintain a building. And there's value to this campus as well, right? I mean, for here, I can see this going to the police department to take this over. I can see that better. Okay, anything else on this? A deep action on it. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Motion carries. Is Angelina still on the phone, Tom? Angelina, are you on the phone? Okay. How did you vote on that last one? I said aye. Okay, sorry. Thank you, sir. So, the next piece I have for you folks, I introduced this at the last meeting, which was the municipal water, wastewater allocation ordinance. We reviewed it last week, excuse me, last meeting. I sent you guys over a recipe on how to adopt it. I sent you the Word documents to see if there was any, people had any concerns or changes. I got no feedback. So, I would ask you to adopt it. I'm Daniel Brad. I think we have to, we have to warn it. We have to have those two meetings. But I think you, but that's after you guys say. You have to adopt it. Yeah, adopt it. That's the word I'm looking for. Then we have the meeting, then we have the two hearing. Then it becomes part of the ordinance. Again, the two hearings may be part of the charter. It's not part of the legal system. Yeah, like I said, find out from Ron how that goes. I'm pretty sure we have to have the two meetings. Okay, all right. Before a final vote? Yeah. No, you could vote on it before it's a. You have to take, you have to have it so you have something to look at, for the public to look at. Then you take in the final, after if you have no objections or no changes to make to it, then you'll have your final vote. But we need a motion just to get this before the public. Okay, but he say, I just want to make sure I have it right. He's saying that we would adopt it and then we'd have two public meetings and then it would become a law. You would then, it's like a 60 day out. It's not. And I think that's when you officially vote again to sign this document. I think. Okay. I haven't done one. As long as we're signing it after we hear from the public, right? I mean, I think that's, that's why you have the public hearing, right? It just doesn't get signed until after all of that. Okay. But you just needed a motion to take and get it before the public. Make the motion to move the water and wastewater allocation documentation that's provided to us tonight before the public. I second that. Any other discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Angelina? Motion carries. So Tom, take in the next meeting, like I said, I find out from Rob, I think what we do is what we historically here we've done is just headed like the first part of a select board meeting and then we can. So I know of this document has to be part of your minutes and then this has to appear in the newspaper or a concise version of it. And so I'm planning on doing that this week and then that will get it going in the, I'll put it on a future meeting for you. And then the VTRAN's open? Yeah, so I introduced this to you at the last meeting. VTRAN's has a grant out here for planning or non-vehicular projects, bike and ped and that kind of project. So I sat in on a conference call last week and I would like to do a scoping study of that bike and ped path around the new town center. For scoping studies, they offer a cap of $50,000 of grant of which the local municipality has to match 20% of. So I haven't got any quotes, but talking to Brandy and some of her other counterparts. She thinks you'd need a whole 50K to do a scoping study of this. So this application isn't due to VTRAN until middle of November. So what I wanted to get back and tell you what the dollars were and you can digest that. But eventually I'm gonna ask you to approve that so I can write the grant and get it submitted in the timeframe that they're required. But it is a 20% match of the request. And that's for the bike pedestrian walks? Correct. And is there a matching kind also or you can do matching kind, but with the scoping study, I don't think there's anything in kind that we can do, you know what I'm saying? Gotcha. Okay. So I will have this on a future. Yeah, next meeting. Yep, I'll get to some more, if there is any more information on that. They offer, I think the total package available is $2.2 million and there was probably 80 people on the call so I think there's gonna be a lot of applications. So you don't think for it? Well, we have it before us next meeting. I'll give you plenty of time to get it in. Yes, let's do the 21st of November. Okay, thank you, Tom. Yeah. Anything else on this? No, thank you. Sockboard prorated meeting stipend, John? Sure, so at the last meeting I suggested that that we pay the Sockboard their stipend based on the number of meetings that they attend. And asked you all to consider it. I think Tom has put together. Diana's put together. Can you hear me, please? So at the last meeting I asked that the Sockboard consider paying the stipend for Sockboard members based on the number of members, based on the number of meetings that they attend. So Diane has put together a Excel spreadsheet of the number of meetings each member has attended and calculated the pay based on the number of meetings. I don't know that there's an agenda. My thought was that we should be paid for the meetings that we attend. When I was on the fire department in Northfield, for example, at each monthly meeting that we would go to or each drill that we would go to, we'd get $10. Not a big deal, just like I kind of consider the Sockboard pay pretty minor for the work we do. But if we didn't show up, we didn't get the $10 and at the end of the year you would get your check based on the number of meetings you attended. That was my thought process on how it should work. And that's why I asked the Sockboard to consider it. Yep. On April 1st, you sent me, John, an email claiming that my telephone meetings were illegal suggesting that I should step down from my position. I'm gonna let the official. At this time, I feel like this is a direct attack for me. Okay. Is that true? No. One of the things I'm finding is that it's hard for us as a board to be critical of other people not participating. We need to have some accountability to the public. The stipend is not that much, but it is something and it needs to be, I mean, it's no different than if you work at a job as a burger flipper, if you're not there, you don't get paid. And that's pretty much. Why is not your employee? No, you are the town's employee and the Sockboard is, that is our bailiwick. Our bailiwick is to take and see that the money is well spent and the money needs to be spent on a product. If you wanna look at your time served here as a product, then if you're not here, then why would you expect to be paid? Spending money and talking about this, it is not gonna exceeding any money by cutting the stipend. How do you see that? Because we're spending the town's mind having conversations about that. This might also fall under another issue. Under title one, chapter five, you can go into that. Section 314, Palatinate Enforcement. What is the title in the, what is that in tape? A person who is a member of a public body who knows who knowingly and intentionally violates the provisions of the sub-chapter, or a person who is knowingly and intentionally violates the provisions of the sub-chapter on behalf of, or at the behest of, and intentionally participates in the wrongful exclusion of any person or person from any leading subject. Two sub-chappers shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and it shall be fined not more than $500. How are we excluding it? Do you think that this might be an exclusion under that law? And again, this is, I don't think it's directed at any one person, it applies to everyone when people in this meeting, it's not directed at one person. Go ahead, John. I would just give another example. When I was on the select board in Northfield under tough budget times, we cut our select board stipend from $3,000 to zero. So the select board worked for free because we were cutting budgets and making hard choices. And we felt that the select board should bear as much brunt as anyone else. It was not directed at any member at that point, just like this isn't directed at any member here. It's purely good fiscal responsibility to make sure that we're getting, and that we're accountable to the citizens. How long did you attend when you were a CB fiber delegate? And were you treated equally? How many meetings was I attending where? Yeah. You were a delegate there. That was when I was in Northfield. That was when I was in Northfield. I was a representative for Northfield for a short time and gave up that position. I did not sit on any other board at that time. And then I moved to Berlin and I did not pursue joining that because we already had two representatives here. So I guess I think the answer is zero if I'm understanding you correctly. Through this conversation, path forward would be a motion or to table. What path people? It's whatever the select board would decide. I don't know. I'm just offering a path forward to move this meeting along. So it was my idea. So I'll go. So a stipend is not a wage. A stipend is something that people get for long period of time. So I'll make a motion to, let me think about this for a minute. I'll make a motion to break down the select board stipend by the number of meetings attended. Is that clear enough on what we're looking to do? Are you talking about going from here going forward? I don't, it can be. I'm fine with that from this point going forward. I really, you know, I don't even know what the stipend is. I don't think I've got one. I know I haven't. We need a second here for you. Right. It looks like each person gets a different amount. So I just, I wasn't sure. And that doesn't, that's irrelevant to the, what I'm trying to do. I just want to make sure that, you know, from this point going forward, you're paid for the meetings you attend. And that's the, The public gives the value of our money. That's fine. We need, excuse me, Angelina, excuse me, Angelina. I was going to be out for the month of August. Is that not correct? Excuse me, Angelina. We need a second on this motion before we have discussion. The only question I have is in terms of, do we want to do it from this point going forward or do we want to do it for? Just give me a second. We can continue to do this through the discussion. Okay, very good. Second. All in favor. Now we go on to discussion. Angelina. Angelina, do you have a comment? Sorry, I didn't hear what was just said. It was, it was moved and seconded. Now it's open for discussion. Would you like to say something? Yeah, I disagree. Is there any other discussion? No. So, I don't, is there a, you wanted to take mention about going from this point going forward. I was wondering if we want to do it from this point going forward, if we want to look at it from this session for lack of a better term. Since March. Given that you've done a spreadsheet and looking at it from this perspective. If the, I could just clarify a little bit too. I generally pay from January through December and I pay the first payroll in December. And that's how calculated, that's why the amount's a little bit different. I got it. So, if I was to go forward from here, what do I do from January till this time? And that's what I'm kind of looking at too, from making it as less cumbersome for you in the process that you follow. I think that it should be from January through December of this calendar year, so that it can be calculated appropriately. Are you making an amendment to my motion? We've been voting motion in the end. Let's get this course to be first. Okay. Well, yeah. I think there will be a public vote. Oh, yeah. It definitely would go before the public, Angelina. What? No, I don't know. I'd have to ask is this would just be for the stipends for us for this year. For the, for the, since. 2020, January. I usually do it normally at the January. Going forward. I'm sorry. I didn't hear that clearly. For the calendar year of 2020, that's what this motion would entail for the stipend for the calendar year of 2020. I didn't hear what was said previous to that. I apologize. Well, I didn't hear it clearly. Which part of it was that you didn't hear, Angelina? I heard parts of, so starting now or in 2021, is that correct? No, actually we were discussing at what point we would move this forward, whether we would move it from this point forward or whether we would do it for this calendar year, January through December, 2020. And we were discussing that that would most likely be the best route of action because it correlates best with the payment structure and the way that Diane Isabel produces the payments in December. So the new acceptance for this year, is that what you're saying? No, they're going to, they're looking at putting a dollar value for each meeting and then paying the dollar amount for meetings attended. In 2021. 2020. Any further comments? No, I just want to clarify, there will be no stipends for this year, is that correct? Just before the meetings that are attended. The stipends would still be in place for this year, but it would be based on attendance and would be calculated per board member, per meetings attended for this calendar year, January. Yeah, I think that might be illegal and it needs to get further looked into. In what way would it be illegal? It would follow an exclusion. Not excluding anybody. Section 314 penalty enforcement. Do you have that, John? I do. I don't know what to tell her. It's not relevant to what we're doing. The intent is not to exclude anyone. It's just to move forward with a stipend process in paying based on the number of meetings each board member attends. There's no, I mean, it's about wrongful exclusion. I don't, I don't think it's germane to the conversation. That's usually if you take and don't let people come in. Any further affection under equality as well? I'm going to ask someone to follow the question. Any further discussion? All those in favor of the motion? Aye. Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries. So please change for improvement. The higher committee has met and have personally interviewed two candidates. And I'm going to ask Mr. Chairman for an executive session to discuss those two candidates tonight. Okay, a motion to go into executive session? Not now. Not now. I'm just going to let you know that that's. Okay, yeah, well, that makes sense to me. Okay. The town administrator recruitment, the, that committee has interviewed its first session of candidates. They hope to get through all the sessions by the end of October. And ideally by mid-November, that committee will come back to do with recommendations to two candidates as well. Okay, and the, anything else on that, Tom? No. Anything on the, okay, emergency medical services RFT? We've talked about this for a couple meetings now. And so I put together, it was in your packet, basically the RFP for EMS services. Our current contract expires June 30th of 2021. And so this is a RFP for three years with an option, an additional option in two years after that. I'm just looking for the board's blessing on this. And I'm going to send out to those professional organizations. I think this is just an RFP. Do you actually need to vote? I don't, no, I don't think it. No, I just, I mean, worse comes worse than we can do it by consensus. Well, and there, yeah, there's provision in here that we can, that we can throw out all of the proposals. That's right. So just tell me to do it. Do it. All right. Thank you. The LGER grant, we have six projects that are working their way through the procurement to now. We have approximately $30,000 left of that $70,000 grant. And so we're asking fire public's work and slack ward members to think about potential money's, uses of this money, it's to be used for relieving COVID issues that municipalities are faced with. One of the things that have been approved is a enhanced audio and visual system for this room, which I think would be very good. So again, there's about $30,000 still in hand that we're trying to develop projects around. So think about it, maybe talk to other municipal folks, see what they have done and get that to us. Okay, and municipal road grants? Yes. So you remember Ashley visited us, oh, that's me, right, to me, okay, last meeting. And Berlin has participated in the municipal road grant May program. This is, I need you folks to adopt this letter of intent to participate again if you so desire. I would encourage you to participate. And I've had this in your packet for a couple of meetings now. So I'd like, this letter has to be signed and due to the state agency by October 30th. Do I have a motion? I make the motion to accept the letter of intent to participate in the municipal roads grant and aid program presented to us tonight by Tom Badowski. I'll second that. Any further discussion? All in favor? Aye. Aye. Move and carry. Angelina, how do you vote on that? Thank you. Do you authorize representative to take it? Aye, we'll second these. Yes, let's see, where am I at here? Get in there. Yeah, get in there. So there was a request to maybe start looking at department projects. So I put together, I didn't put together, I stole this project's data street force and just see if you guys, what your thoughts are on this. It could be changed around. This is something, it's a word document. So it could be a live document that department heads can input. I'm not quite sure who the department heads would be. I'm not thinking highway, treasure, planning, but it's just, you don't need to do anything this week. Or this meeting, I just want you to look at it, see if this is what you were thinking that. So is the intent of this in response to my ask for the department head reports? Yes. Okay. I'll put it on next meeting agenda. Yeah, I have some thoughts that I could send you just around. You know, I don't want to confuse the team by calling a project status reports necessarily. You know, I can send you one or two that I may still have of what I was thinking, you know, and send it to the group for review to talk about it next meeting. Okay. Thank you, John. Yep. The minutes for October 5th, 2020. I make the motion to approve the minutes for October 5th, 2020 as presented. We hear a second. A second, Pat. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Angelina, the minutes for October 5th, you okay with it? She's not here. She's here? Yeah, doesn't matter. You're welcome to go. Yeah. We'll for roll around table. No, with Tom Willard appointment, I'm sorry, double addition to the very top. Tom Willard's appointment to the conservation commission. I sent Tom's request. It was pretty late today. I sent it to you. Tom's bill on the conservation commission for a very long time. It's been a very incident on purchase of the town lands. My recommendation to this board would be to approve his candidacy to the conservation commission. You hear a motion to. I make a motion to approve the candidacy of Tom Willard as the appointment to the conservation commission. A second, Pat. Any further discussion? All in favor? Aye. All right. Angelina? Aye. Okay, thank you. Yeah. Motion carries. Now around table. Give Tom his congratulations. I will do that. Do we want to do favor or warrant? Let's take and skip right to executive session. Oh, we got to take into approval of licenses, permits and vouchers applications. I make the motion to approve payroll warrant 2108 for payroll from September 27, 2020 to October 10, 2020 paid on October 14, 2020 in the amount of 37,829 dollars and 85 cents, payroll warrant 21G08 with checks 20597 to 20634 in the amount of 58,761 dollars and 21 cents and September journal entries and tax administrative adjustment. Your second. My second, Pat. Any further discussion? Those in favor? Aye. Angelina? Motion carries. We'll go around table after the legal session. Mr. Chair, I would like to have an executive session to talk about police chief candidates and I would like to invite, have you invited yourself? Tim Bombard here in Turbo Whipple, maybe? Yeah, yeah, all three of us. Okay. All those in favor? Or a motion. Put that way, I can't do that. A motion. Make a motion to go and do it exactly a session. With the included guests. Yes, sir, yeah. So moved. Yeah. Second? Second. Any discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Aye.