 Well, I've been given the task to try to explain what happened back in 9-11 and You saw those images up there, and I think most of you that was probably the first time that you ever even heard about Radical Islam am I right? For most of you didn't know what radical Islam was Now my task tonight and I've been given this is to try to give some background to what happened there and to try to understand Who these radical Muslims are? These are the ones that I have worked with for almost 25 years. I Have been we were sent to London, England back in 1992 my wife and I To engage the radical Muslims because at that time we knew about them, but no one else seemed to know about them I was born in India. I grew up in India northern India where there are around 200 million Muslims You don't think of India as a Muslim country You think of as a Hindu country am I correct 800 million Hindus, but there's 200 million Muslims living in India and That's where I was born. That's where my father was born my grandparents. I my family has been in India since 1913 and We've all lived in world. We're in the most densely Muslim area of India it is the third largest Muslim country on earth soon to be the second largest and Eventually the first largest because the Muslim population is growing much faster than any other So I've grown up with Islam. I've had it all around me. My parents have grown up with Islam I was spent my first 17 years living amongst Muslims had them as roommates had them as classmates And so we were sent to London to really engage with this Term radical Islam. So what I want to do tonight is I want to unpack it show you a little bit about it and help You understand the roots behind it and why it's not something that will just come and go and it's Something that's been here for a long time Not here not in California, obviously But certainly in the world. So let's go ahead the images you saw I don't know could we maybe get rid of some of these lights up here so we can see this or can you see it All right from the audience If you can see it, okay, then we'll just go through it You all remember these images. These are some of the images the people in the windows on the left the falling man on the right The responders the first responders and that's the building. This now replaced it and They call it One World Trade Center. It's there now. That's what's been Erected from the ashes So, how do we explain ISIS? How do we explain al-Qaeda? How do we explain these groups like Boko Haram? al-Shabaab Jama'at islami typically Jama'at The names go on and on and on. There's many of them. There's not just one group. It's many many groups and How do we explain what happened in? 911 what are we how do we explain situations like these? The vehicular jihad's these are the ones that are that you have seen in the news in Nice in Ohio Berlin Jerusalem Westminster Stockholm Manchester London where they are now using vehicles not planes and not necessarily Weapons that we would normally use but just vehicles to kill people Or what do we do with a man like this jihadi John Muhammad of Mount Monsie? He is from London. In fact, he lived about six miles from where I lived He knew me. I didn't know him. He used to come down to speakers corner where I would be every Sunday I've just come back from speakers corner. I was there last Sunday three days ago That's why my voice is that's right because when you're at speakers corner for two and a half hours You have to go full tilt and I have been at speakers corner for 25 years It's only on Sundays and I go and I take on sometimes hundreds of radical Muslims at a time If you're ever in London on a Sunday go to speakers corner. We have a whole team down there I've now left London. I now live in America for the last two years But I go back to London about every once or twice a year just to engage with the Muslims there to keep me honed in But he used to come to speakers corner He was the one that did the he did he was the one known as jihadi John who did the atrocities Against the social workers and the journalists We have many British Muslims who joined ISIS Thomas Evans Abdul Hakim Taha a small if you notice he's raising one finger up pointing to God that was seconds before he blew himself up That's what the signal of oneness of God. Oh heat God is one the Dalwood sisters who took nine children to go from Bradford and live in Syria So we've had a particular problem in Britain, but also Francis had a similar problem According to Prime Minister Manuel Valdes There were 15,000 people who were being monitored for radicalization 10,000 were we identified as high-risk France has been under a state of emergency since ice ISIS killed 130 in November 2015 So it's a problem particular to Europe that you haven't really had here in the States yet. It may come. We'll see Your former president Barack Obama said ISIS or ISIL is not Islamic No religion condones the killing of innocents and the vast majority of ISIL's victims have been Muslim our prime minister David Cameron not anymore, but for adoring this there the atrocity said we are in the midst of a generational struggle against an ideology Which is an extreme distortion of the Islamic faith But I doubt if David Cameron has ever read the Quran and That's what we want to do tonight. We want to look and see if these are correct Bernice Warsi the most senior Bear awareness in the House of Lords said this She is a Muslim herself. He said extremists are high on drugs and drink people with personal issues and losers Done mostly by converts trying to gain credibility All faiths have their fair share of crazies. In other words, it's not just Muslims There are also crazy Christians. In fact, every faith has its crazy Do you agree with her? Mi5 which is the would be the British equivalent to your CIA believes that these Extremists are nothing more than mentally ill criminal types with previous convictions unable to keep jobs They are attracted to extremist groups who offer the money status and the cause Interestingly almost every one of the extremists who have attacked in Britain don't fit any of those Typologies don't fit any of those criteria Jihadi John who you saw earlier in Mazi. He was actually Came from a middle-class family. He went to one of the best schools in London. You saw a picture with his uniform on He had everything to live for So why did he join ISIS and why did he do those atrocities there in Syria? The very Reverend John Hall said after the atrocity that happened at Westminster Bridge What could possibly motivate a man to drive a car fast at people he had never met? It seemed likely that we shall never know That night Douglas Murray in the spectator wrote this Douglas Murray is a debater. He is an atheist. He has actually a very well-known Protagonist against Islam and he says after last month's attack in Westminster There seemed to be an even more concerted effort than usual to say that the perpetrator a Muslim convert called Khalid Masood Probably suffered from some mental illness was a mere madman criminal or drug at it Various Muslims who knew Masood promised in media that he'd had hadn't really been religious at all This swiftly became the story Man drives car into pedestrians on Westminster Bridge And stabs a policeman to death nothing to see here certainly nothing to do with Islam Probably to do with everything else in the world, but nothing to do with Islam You can see he's been ironic and there is a confusion Major General Michael K. Nagata the special operations commander for the United States in the Middle East admitting that he had hardly begun Figuring out the Islamic States appeal said we have not defeated the idea. We do not even understand the idea So why is the West so confused? I asked this when I was in India a number of years ago And I remember the Indian an Indian convert said to me, Mr. Smith You don't understand it yet you in the West here in United States and in Britain you've really only had Muslims around for about 40 years We in India have had them for 1400 years. We understand them much better than you So who understands them best the East or the West? Let's look at these. Let's see what the opinions are of some influential Muslims Ayatollah Khomeini 1902 to 1989 and this is what he said Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males Provided they are not disabled or incapacitated to prepare themselves for the conquest of other countries So that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world But those who study Islamic holy war will understand why Islam will want to conquer the whole world those who know nothing about Islam Pretend that Islam counts concern councils against war those who say this are witless Islam says kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by the unbelievers? Islam says kill them the non-Muslims put them to the sword and scatter their armies Does this mean sitting back until non-Muslims overcome us? Islam says kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy now? How many here in this room believe that? Does Islam say to kill the unbelievers? Where do you find that You have to go to the Quran Surah 8 Aya 39 kill the unbelievers until there is no more fit now That means no more unbelief until all believe in Allah Chapter 9 verse 5 kill the unbelievers slay them besiege them lay and wait for them with every kind of ambush That's known as a swordverse Chapter 9 verse 29 make war on al-Qitab al-Qitab would be the people of the book. That's us Christians in Jews Chapter 47 verse 4 cut off the heads of the unbelievers The first three verse talks about who believer is and who a unbeliever is verse 4 then says to cut off the heads Then it continues on in verse 5 6 and he who participates in jihad if he should die great shall be his reward in heaven Stipulating that anybody who kills an unbeliever is in the process of killing another if they should die They should go straight to heaven now remember Islam has no assurance of salvation we do Islam does not accept for chapter 47 verse 6 Which stipulates if you die in the service of Allah doing jihad you go straight to heaven Can you then understand when you read the Quran properly when you read it and actually eat it correctly? Then you have verses like this why so many young men are volunteering to do just that I'm in Tahiri to Iranian author based in Europe's chairman of the gate stone Institute said this Islam says Whatever good there is exists. Thanks to the sword in the shadow of the sword people cannot be made obedient except with the sword The sword is the key to paradise which can be opened only for the holy warriors There are hundreds of Quranic psalms and hadiths sayings of the prophet urging Muslims to value war and to fight Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim Turkish president wretched a diet Erdogan Referring and Responding to the term moderate Islam said these descriptions are very ugly It is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam Islam is Islam and that's it Back in 2004 look at the date July 7th 2004 in Britain they wanted to find a moderate face of Islam and they invited this gentleman use of Karadawi from Qatar He is on Al-Jazeera television every night. You can still see him today They flew him into Heathrow Airport to speak about modernist moderate Islam Ken Livingston who is the mayor at that time? brought him in as a moderate face and the first question that was asked them at the At the meeting there at the airport was what do you think about suicide bombers? and His response was very quick Islam permits suicide bombers and he referred to chapter 8 verse 60 in the Quran He says because of the fact that if you have are in a battle and you have no weapons or Steeds of war as it says in chapter 860 you can use your bodies and Without even being asked he then went on to say that it's perfectly good for men to beat their wives That's in chapter 4 verse 34 and it's perfectly okay to he said kill the homosexuals Actually, he should have said to beat them 100 lashes. That's in chapter 24 verse 2 They had to close down the press conference and they gave him no more TV time and The reason why is because they didn't look and see who he was See had they looked at his background They would have realized that that Yusuf Karadaoui was a student of site Kutub also a student of Iman's of Ihidi both of the Muslim Brotherhood He himself is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood one of the Theologians for the Muslim Brotherhood and all he had to do was quote scripture after scripture after scripture verse after verse after verse straight out of the Quran Sheikul Mubakri Muhammad and Anjum Chawli are two friends of mine. Don't get there. Don't be upset by that They are the two most radical Muslims in Britain Have been since 1993 Sheikul Mubakri Muhammad on the left is actually from Syria He tried to overthrow the government there and then he fled to London and of course the British government gave him a house housed School all his five children gave him free medical treatment as Britain always does for radical Muslims When I was on campus there in 1992 I would go from college to campus to call it University campus to University campus I'd go to all the Islamic society Meetings I could I always saw they would always be advertised on the bulletin board and I would be the only white person there Certainly the only non-Muslim and to begin with back in the 1992 1993 There may be only be 20 or 30 students at every meeting when he came into the meetings when he came to each one of the Universities suddenly these groups grew to two to 300 and they had to meet rooms like this Large assembly rooms because they to accommodate the crowds he brought and the reason he was so attractive and the reason he was so I Well the reason why so many students start following him is because every time he spoke He just opened up the Quran and he read verse after verse after verse supporting everything. He said His lieutenant is on Jam Chowdhury on the right He is a lawyer and he is now the head of the Muhajirun party the most radical group there in Britain And I used to go and attend their meetings and we became good friends I shake over Buckley Muhammad and I He invited me to go and teach at his classes there in North London in Tottenham He was known as the Ayatollah of Tottenham and the first time he ever do introduce me to his students He said this is my favorite Christian But this will be the first man. I kill when Islam comes to Britain What an introduction and I had no problem with that introduction because he would have to kill me first because of what I believed in who I stood for Jesus Christ And he knew that and I was just as radical as he is But I went back to another revelation Not to Quran But the Bible Anjum Chowdhury says this there is a struggle between the people of shaytan. That's they Cameron our Prime Minister at that time in the Kilian project and those of Allah the Muslims They're in Britain and Allah is on our side. So we will win The speech of mr. Cameron the Prime Minister at that time was an attack against Muslims not extremism He wants Muslims to give up the idea of calafa, which is the Islamic state sharia, which is the law and jihad Which is striving for Allah. There's no Islam without ruling by that Which Allah has revealed al-kilafa and removing obstacles in the way of implementing the sharia bring it in So there are two responses You have Anjum Chowdhury on the left that I just quoted and then you have a very westernized Muslim like irshad manji from Canada Who is a homosexual herself and has now has become an imam of a mosque She has written Allah liberty and love and is highly praised and is loved by the liberal West And she gets into all kinds of certainly chat shows but she is not invited to any other mosque but her own and That's the problem She represents what the West wants But she does not represent what Islam is That's why this divide now is separating the two There's a tug-of-war within Islam You have the traditionalists on the left and you have the modernists on the right Anjum Chowdhury on the left irshad manji on the right and The ishad manji's of the world have to remain in the West. They cannot they dare not go to an Islamic country They would not be welcomed there. They would not probably leave alive So how do moderates interpret the Quran and this is something I've always had people come up to me and say yes But Islam is a religion of peace. I remember I was in the house of lords We were I was with Baroness Cox and we were trying to shut down Islamic courts I don't know if you know but in Britain we now have 80 Islamic courts that are legitimate courts that have been Interinclicated within under is British laws as of 2009 And these courts are now growing there'll be soon over a hundred We want to shut them down because of what they're doing to women especially what they're doing to women Why we were there in that meeting Lord Ahmed came in and he was the senior Lord of the house of lords and he put down his books And he turned to us and says what is your problem Islam is a religion of peace for you have heard it say There is no compulsion and in religion and I raised my hand and I said Lord Ahmed You know where that verse is from he said no, I'm not a theologian. I said then why are you quoting it? That's from chapter 2 verse 256. I said have you read the rest of the verse? Have you read the verse that follows it? Because if you read the rest of the verse you will see very clearly that those who stand against Allah and his prophet For their reward shall be in hellfire now. Tell me if there's no compulsion and that has nothing to do with me That has everything to do with you do not quote that verse now in Islam there is there are verses about the closest verse you'll get to Peace would be this one here chapter 109 verse 1 to 6 unto you your religion and unto me my religion Which is right at the end of the Quran. There are only 114 chapters When you look at that you will see well That's pretty good until you realize that you have the what they call law of abrogation in the Quran There are many about 200 verses that contradict each other So a law of abrogation has been imposed into the Quran in chapter 2 verse 106 and chapter 16 verse 101 And the difficulty with that is when you get these abrogations You've got to know what to do with it in chapter 2 verse 106 and 16 101 stipulate that referring to God himself saying that which we give Mansook which is prior week We give something better nasik, which is strong and The nasik therefore abrogates the Mansook and when you look at the Quran if you just flitted in half The first half would be the Medin and surahs the second half would be the Meccan surahs the Meccan Where revealed first between 610 and 622 the Medin and surahs were revealed from 622 to 632 the last 10 years of the Prophet's life Now if you have Mansook verses nasik and nasik abrogates Mansook then that means all the Medin and verses Abrogate the Meccan verses. Are you getting confused? Don't worry. A lot of Muslims get confused as well But radical Muslims don't because they know all the the violent verses are in the Medin and surahs Not in the Meccan surahs This verse 106 that I just showed you is in the Meccan surahs It is abrogated by 101 verses that come after it Lord Ahmed after he did that. He said well, listen, it is true that in the Quran somewhere It says that if you were attacked Defend yourself, but do not go beyond the limits and I said do you know where that is and I he said no I'm not a theologian. I told you that already. I said that's in chapter 2 verse 190. I Said have you read what follows after it because if you want to know what the limits are that you're not to go Beyond read what follows it those who fight you do not transgress limits However and slay them wherever you catch them and fight them until they prevail faith in Allah now I said to him what limits do you do not transgress once you've killed me? I'm already dead Read the whole verse. This is not a peaceful verse. This is very violent It tells you exactly what you do to me And then he follows finished up with chapter 5 verse 32 which is a favorite of every politician which stipulates Oh children of Israel he who takes the blood of one is if he takes the blood of all But he who saves the blood of one is if he saves the blood of all. Have you heard this one before? This was Obama's favorite verse This has also been the favorite verse of many of our politicians in Britain It sounds like a redemption analysis on the blood of whom well you look at the verse before verse 31 It's the story of Cain and Abel Cain kills his brother Abel doesn't know what to do with the body Sees a raven scratching in the ground so follows the result of they of the raven and buries his own brother This verse that follows it then is an analysis of the blood of Abel and it starts with our children of Israel And I said the Lord Ahmed are you a child of Israel? And he bulked at that he says of course not so well then this verse has nothing to do with you This is for Jews only Jews you need to go to the next verse that follows it verse 33 Which says very clearly the recompense of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and do mischief in the land Is only that they shall be killed or crucified and their hands and their feet cut off on opposite sides or be exiled from the land Therefore if you stand against Allah and his messenger be careful. You must be crucified and have your hands and feet cut off. I Said that's the verse you should have read because that's to do with us That's to do with you and that's to do with Muslims because we're not Jews The problem radicalization is how do you interpret these verses? What are you supposed to do with the Quran? Is it just a book or is it a divine edict and that's the question that many Muslims are asking now? To understand radicalism you need to go right to the very beginning and the word radical means just that doesn't it? Radical means root a radical number is a root number am I correct? So why don't we go back to the root? Now there are two suppositions in the West that such a suggest that to understand radicalism Well, there are two viewpoints in the West and I'm sure it's in the church as well It may be even in this room and that the first view is that radicalism is a very new phenomena It has only been around since basically the creation of the state of Israel in 1948 Therefore, it's only been around for well Not even a hundred years. It's a very new phenomena It's because of what's happened there in Israel that radicalism was formed and the second view is that radicalism is not to do It's been around since the very beginning of Islam since 6 4 24 when the kill outfit was initiated Let's look at the first one Radicalism is new It's a reaction against geopolitical circumstances Primarily created because of what happened in Israel in 1948 and then of course what has happened more recently in Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in 2003 and that's why it is it is it is it is nothing that has existed prior to those dates It is very political therefore since it is political. These are all political problems. We need a political solution So the problem with for the church is what are we to do with radical Islam since it's a political problem? That's not our remit. We're not to be involved in politics Remember Christ said to separate church and state give to Caesar what belongs to see for gift to God what belongs to God? So therefore as a church, we don't belong to Caesar. Therefore. It's Caesar's problem. It's the state's problem What are we to do with it? Well possibly should we just ignore it? Maybe try to fight it, but we can't since we don't have the weapons of this world Therefore throw money at it or do we just find common ground with it and These are the reactions that I'm hearing in the church today. They don't know what to do with radical Islam There's very few people that even talked to radical Muslims when I was in Britain I was the only one and for 25 years. I've been the only one in Britain Here in the States radical Islam really hasn't come here. So there's not really a problem yet Yet Now I'm in the other camp obviously as you can see I'm from this camp that believes that radical Islam has been here from the Very beginning it's not something that's just been since it's here since 1948 and that's why we need to go to the Root itself and to do that you need to start with Muhammad You need to read his biography I don't know if any of you have a chance to read his biography But if you want to read his biography you need to go to Ibn Hisham who died in 833 or al-Waqidi who died in 835 So his biography is written 200 years after he died because he died in 632 Nonetheless, that's the earliest material we have on Muhammad's life And when you look at his life you will see immediately that he started the caliphate in 624 He was in Medina. He had moved there in 622 and immediately he opposed the Jews that were already there the Banu Kainuka family The Banu Nadeer family and the Banu Quraizah family the three Jewish families He eradicated them through the mount and the final Banu Quraizah family He took all 800 men and slipped their throats in one afternoon in 627. How many of you have heard this before? Just six or seven of you Now isn't that odd that you've never heard these stories before about one of the greatest men in the history of mankind and the one that you're Going to be up against why aren't they teaching this in your schools? This is the lie of Islam there. You're not permitted to teach this in your schools because it's not politically correct And yet those biographies are there for you to read and Until you find Muhammad's life until you look and see who he was and what he did you will never know what you're up against Because radical Islam always goes back and starts with Muhammad the reason why is very simple look at yourself Now when you preach here on a Sunday morning, do you preach from the Bible? Does your pastor preach from the Bible? Please say yes At least he opens it up, right? And he reads it Does he apply it to your life? Does he go back to Jesus Christ? Does he talk about him about what he did? About what he said? You've passed that test We demand that of our pastors. Do we not? You cannot be a Protestant pastor today anywhere in the world without opening the Bible You better open the Bible when you're at the pulpit Why because we go to the Bible for our authority and we go to Jesus Christ as our model am I correct say yes Of course we do well if that's the case Then we start with the book model by a man the book and the man the book and the man the book and the man Islam starts from this same Paradigm they go to another book a smaller book Model by another man a smaller man The book is the Quran the man is Muhammad the book of the man the book of the man Since we start from the same paradigm. Can you then understand why we can understand them the best? That's why we have a unique opportunity because we understand exactly why radical Muslims go back to the root You have to go back to the man Muhammad himself He defeats the Jews by 627 there were no Jews left in Medina. He was not from Medina He was from Mecca. He'd only been in Medina for five years all the Jews were eradicated either thrown out or had their throat slit the women were taken as concubines for his men and the children as slaves and Yet, we've never read this else in our schools. I'm just telling you to you for the first time In 632 he then dies and that was where the caliphate began it began in 624 He initiated the caliphate there in Medina now immediately after you have what they call the rush you doon period Which is the period from 624 to 661 he dies in 632 and then you have a Abu Bakr. It takes over from 632 to 634 He dies normally. He's the first caliph Umar takes over from 634 to 644 for the next 10 years Then he is killed from 644 to 656 Uthman takes over and he is killed in 656 and Ali is the fourth caliph He takes over from 656 to 661 just five years. He is killed. So the last three of the four rightly guided caliphs is killed But that is the golden age of Islam from 624 to 661 that roughly 40 year period and That's what the radical Muslims want to get back to If you talk to any radical Muslim if you read any of their textbook if you talk to the face-to-face They all talk about the rush you doon period the golden age of Islam the age of the right four rightly guided caliphs Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali of course Muhammad before that That's why we need to wake up and listen and go right back to the root to understand real Islam You've got to go back to real Islam. You've got to go back to their history now Post rush you doing you have Abu Hassan al-Mawawadi 972 to 1058 the ordinance of government of the religious position Sunni Islamic political thought codified the political edifice of Islam and it talked about the seven criteria for a Caliph the king in the it he was one that enforced the jizya tax and wouldn't permit any building of temples churches or synagogue But that's the 10th century, but really to understand radical Islam though you need to start with the Muhammad You need to go really back to this man Ibn Taimiya Ibn Taimiya is probably the best name and all my radical friends They all quote him and the reason why he was the one that codified this idea of going to one book modeled by one man The book of the man He said to be a good Muslim read the book To understand the book follow the man It's as simple as that Look at the date thirteen hundreds 200 years later in Germany. We had a man named Martin Luther who said much the same thing. Did he not? To be a good Christian read the book solo scriptura the book is the Bible to understand the Bible read follow Jesus Christ The book in the man. That's my phrase book in the man. That wasn't his But can you see how we call that our reformation and meaning most people are saying when is Islam gonna have its reformation? They had the reformation with this man right here Ibn Taimiya Because every Muslim today who is a radical Muslim goes back to Ibn Taimiya Case in point. Just look what happened in 1700 when these two men one is Muhammad of the Ibn Abdullil Wahab Wahab was an Arab himself. He was living there in Medina in central Arabia Shah Wahi Hula came from India He came to study there and he was studying Ibn Taimiya's material there in Arabia 1700 look at the year 1700. We're talking about 400 years ago. They were studying Wahi Hula from the 1300s now Wahab stayed in Arabia Amalgamate himself with a family a very prominent family called the Ibn Saud family the Ibn Saud family then eradicated all their opponents took over the entire Arabian Peninsula and Created what we now know today as Saudi Arabia giving their name to the country, but they only had political power in order to get Religious or theological legitimacy. They needed to bring Wahabim as their theologian That's why Wahabism then was created. But look at the dates 1700. That's 400 years ago That's why Wahabism now is all over the Muslim world today Created by this man on the left Who basically was just reiterating what Ibn Taimiya had said in the 1300s Meanwhile Wahi Hula on the left on the right went back to India went back to Bihar where my parents used to live where my grandparents used to live and He started these madrasas there when the British came and colonized India and at that time India was Pakistan India and Bangladesh all three countries They came across many of his disciples had a such a problem with them that they shot them They pushed them right across northern India up into western India up on the mountains called the Waziristan What is today Afghanistan and Pakistan and that's where they remained ever since because of the British Let's jump to the 20th century There in India you have two men whose names probably the most prominent one is Muhammad Ilyas Al-Kandlawi who was there in Delhi He started the Tabikli Jamat in 1926 the Tabikli Jamat is probably one of the most radical groups in the world today They have now grown and grown and grown there in a hundred and a hundred and twenty countries They have a membership of 80 million 80 million that's the population of Britain right there How many have heard this name before none of you And these are that the big Lejman that I have to contend with most all the radicals We have in Britain are coming out of that group the four men that blew themselves up in 2005 July 7th 2005 We remember I told you to remember that date when Yusuf Qaddawe came to Heathrow Airport July 7th 2004 and said it was perfectly legitimate for People in Britain to blow themselves up quoting from chapter 8 verse 60 Exactly a year to the date later those four men went to London came to London. I was in London I was there when it happened blew themselves up and killed 52 people on three trains in one bus See you in America haven't had what we've had in Britain. We've been hit right left and center We've had suicide bomber after suicide bomber and none of them none of them are Christians Every one of them have been Muslims They've all come to our country almost entirely from the Indians of continent From where these men come from of the all of my duty Lived in Daoban. I used to live in when I was growing up. I was in Missouri I go down to visit my parents we'd stop in Daoban are trained with you there these Madrasas on either side of that railway tracks at that time. I didn't know exactly who they were I saw all these Muslims I didn't really understand the the importance of what I was seeing but he was there in Daoban Then he then in 1947 when India got its independence he moved to Pakistan It was called West Pakistan at that time and started the Jamaat Islamic group now that Jamaat Islamic group has then grown and grown They're in Pakistan. They have been training up these hundreds of thousands of Actually millions one point seven million Taliban's every year are graduated from those schools 1.7 million students. That's what a Taliban means They are the ones that then moved out of Pakistan moved into Afghanistan Attacked the Russians and took over Afghanistan as the Taliban The Taliban are nothing more than Taliban's the Taliban's are the students of Maldudi from the 1900s Not even a hundred years ago, and that's why they got rid of the Russians and Then let's jump over now to Arabia over there in Egypt specifically We have a man named Hassan al-Bana who in 19 for who in 1920 started with the Muslim Brotherhood He died in 1948. He was executed by Gamal al-Nassar The Muslim Brotherhood took Wahhab's material who had taken what Ibn Taymiyyah had said in the 1300s Wahhab in the 1700s then made it popular by Hassan al-Bana by in the Brotherhoods the Muslim Brotherhood that still exists today Started in the 1920s by this man His favorite student was Zaid Kutub. Zaid Kutub had memorized the Quran by the time he was 10 years old The Quran's about the same size as our New Testament. How many of you could have memorized the New Testament by the time you were 10 years old? You could have you did You almost read it. Well, here's a real prodigy right here in our midst Be careful of her because look what happened to Zaid Kutub. I Didn't mean to put pressure on you Zaid Kutub then became such a prodigy and such a problem for Abu Ghair al-Nassar that he put him in prison in 1956 and between 1956 and 1966 that 10-year period Zaid Kutub wrote two books in the shade of the Quran and Milestone in the shade of the Quran all It did is to go through the Quran and exegete all the different scriptures verse by verse by verse and apply it to the 20th century It is the textbook for all radical Muslims. All my radical Muslim friends have read that. It's in every language every known language Milestones is a much more codified form and in 1966 he was then executed by Nassar became a martyr for the cause I'm in Zuhidi was his favorite student. I'm in Zuhidi had memorized the Quran by the time he was 15 years old So these are prodigies every one of these He was a Medical doctor who then also was then thrown out of Egypt by Gemal Nassar He then went and bumped into this man. Oh some have been Latin. Oh some have been Latin had an awful lot of money But didn't know much theology. I'm in Zuhidi had studied under Hassan al-Bana had studied under side Kutub He knew his theology and the two amalgamated theirself together and they joined and created al-Qaeda Look what it means al-Qaeda means the base the foundation going back to the roots I'm in Zuhidi was just on the news today Did you hear what he said today? We must do again what we did back in 911 because he was the one that ordered that attack on United States. He's still alive He's still in Pakistan where Osama bin Laden was killed They started al-Qaeda But they were not welcome there in the Middle East and so they moved to Afghanistan the Taliban invited them Remember the Taliban So here's we have the Taliban. This is where the Indian subcontinent and Egypt now come together Created and gave them bases there in Afghanistan and you know what happened then in 2001 And that's where you all came into the story. That's where you all realized that this was a problem But see none of you probably knew the roots for this you had no idea where it comes from or where it began Meanwhile in Syria in Iraq, you had two men muslim al-zarkawi who is a also a student under I'm in Zubahiri under al-Qaeda and he was the one that trained up Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was from Iraq. He has a PhD in Islamic theology. This is not a fluzy He has a PhD in Islamic theology and Islamic history So we're talking about an academic here and he was the one that created ISIS But he got his training from muslim al-qadr al-zarkawi who is then finally killed by a u.s. Drone Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is still alive and of course, you know what happened in 2014 when they took over what came out of Syria took over Iraq and Went went city after city and then he went to Mosul and he put on this robe right here They're in Mosul in the city of Mosul by doing that He then reinstated the Islamic State to kill off it that had been created by Muhammad back in 624 was eradicated by Kemal al-Turk in 1924 then was reinstated by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi there in 2014 this is his more recent picture that was just taken a few months ago, and that's what he looks like now Now in the UK, you have these two men Sheikh Umar Bakr Muhammad and Anjab Chadi They have been responsible for sending 20,000 Europeans to join ISIS since 2014 But I want to talk about these two men right here these two men. I knew personally especially the man on the right us of honey used to come down to speakers corner every Sunday and suddenly in 2002 he disappeared We don't know what happened to him when we asked he said well He had gone to Syria to learn Arabic a good place to do to learn Arabic and then in 2003 on April 20th Also, his picture was on the cover of every newspaper in Britain possibly here in the United States as well That day he and his friend Omar Sharif not the actor another Omar Sharif Went to Israel. They went to Tel Aviv and they're in a Disco tech there on the shore named Mike's bar. They tried to get inside. They were stopped at the door Asaf Hanif pulled the pin on his jacket blew himself up and killed three Israeli guards Omar Sharif tried to go inside and do the same thing His jacket was a dud and he jumped into the ocean and drowned. Do you any of you remember this a few of you? It was all over our papers Well, I was concerned about this because we knew us of honey personally. He used to be in our crowd He I never really got to know sorry I didn't know him personally but others on my team knew him personally so I went down to speakers corner that next Sunday and I held up his picture on the ladder I noticed that no one was talking about him and I held this picture up And so I have a very loud voice at speakers corner the loudest one down there because I grew up in the Himalayas I have five liter lungs. I'm only supposed to have three and a half for my size So I have break lungs and I'm able to use it to good Compacity when I'm at speakers corner. I said I want to talk about these two men And I sucked all the crowds from the other ladders and they all came right to my ladder I said I want all the Muslims front and center. I want to talk to you Muslim specifically. I Said how many of you Muslims would do what these two men did yesterday and about 30 raised their hands and Then as they raised their hand I turned to them and said how many of you would do it right here at speakers corner How many of you are willing to blow yourselves up for your God right here at speakers corner and About 15 start punching the air yelling Bismillah. I'll do it. I'll do it Alhumdulillahi as they start yelling and I look at the horror on the faces of the crowds who were looking at this And I said to the crowd look at these men Memorize their faces This is not a faceless enemy over there in Iraq or Afghanistan. It's right here in London. You've got a problem Now that was in 2003 two years later in 2005 July 4th. Sorry, July 7th. Who can I get that wrong July 7th? 2005 Four young men came and blew themselves up. I don't think they were in that group that day didn't matter I could go do it next Sunday and ask the same question. I would get the same response We have a problem here in the West specifically in Europe more specifically in Britain more so than any other British country and Still the British government does not understand who they're dealing with who who they're up against both of these men None of them neither of them are disenfranchised. They are both educated Asaf Hanif just went to the Kingston University has a degree Omar Sharif has a wife and three kids. He had everything to lose. Why did they go blow themselves up in Tel Aviv? for their God I Talked about jihadi John Muhammad at Muazi from Kilburn just down the road from where I lived Went to st. John's Woods School executed British and American journalists and social workers killed was finally killed by an American drone Abu Rumesa we do him personally. He was a former Hindu. He converted to Islam then he changed his name to Siddhartha Dar I'm sorry. His name was Siddhartha Dar. He became Abu Rumesa and he became the second jihadi John He was the one that killed not using knives. He used guns The three London girls they all became the Al Khan sub brigade that they left from London. They were in charge of the women there in Raqqa and Then we have what we call the lone wolf jihadis According to one of the spokesmen says they want to kill a disbelieving American or European either French Australian or Canadian Including the citizens of the countries kill him in any manner or way However, it may be he said and this happened this was in 2014 that they were asking for these lone wolves And that's where Michael Adi Bellagio came on to the picture Michael I'm Bellagio was a Pentecostal Christian lived in northern London. His parents noticed that he was being He was worked running with the wrong crowd. So they took him out of the city and they went up to the north and then he came back to University there in London and he met Unjum Chowdhury upon the upper left Unjum Chowdhury converted to Islam in 2003 there You can see Unjum Chowdhury right here and that's Michael Adi Bellagio behind him Michael Adi Bellagio then from 2003 to 2013 was radicalized and by 2013 he then came into the street and Knocked this man over with a car and then took out where you can see the blood on his hands Then slit the throats and cut off the head of Drummer Rigby there. You can see the body there on the ground and Stood around for 16 minutes and talked about it did not run away. It was waiting for the police to come so that he could be Shahid which would be a Jihad shihad means mean to a martyr for the cause the police when they did come they shot him in the legs And so at his trial he gave a piece of paper That had reference after reference from the Quran It was actually he was supposed to be sent to his child showing why he did it and they were all from Surah 9 I of 5 Surah 8 I of 39 straight out of the Quran. So what caused a Pentecostalist Christian? 2003 to become a radical Muslim in 2013 in 10 years. It was that book the Quran Influenced by Anjum Chaudhary over here He's still in prison today, and he's still saying the same thing. He has not retrenched any of his sayings Khalid Masood another convert kill five wounded 50 his motive according to The spectator waging jihad and revenge against Western military action in Muslim countries in the Middle East That's what they thought until they looked at his phone and listened to the conversations He had before he did this act Every one of them had nothing to do with that But more to do with the fact that he as a Muslim followed what the Quran said when I used to go to their meetings I always noticed that they talked about three stages of the whole three stages of mission activity And the first stage was the pen stage that Followed and replicated the stage of Muhammad in Mecca from 610 to 622 When he was before he moved up to Medina and this was when he was a minority He had no control and so they're saying Muslims in the West when they come to the West start with that stage and by that they mean by using all kinds of media such as Internet CDs DVDs to try to push Islam Without any control, but then when Muhammad moved to Medina the next of the two years He was there first two years 622 to 624 He then started introducing laws and institutions that has already come to Britain that's the second stage called the scale scale because of laws and They would say that much of what we're doing now in Britain is to bring about Islamic unity in United Kingdom The third stage was that what happened between 624 and 630 to the last eight years of his life when he started using the sword Many my Muslim friends say that now they're moving into the sword stage with ISIS al-Qaeda Boko Haram al-Shabaab. That's the new the third stage of Islam of Dawah following Muhammad's life But they all talked about the reasons and the reasons was fascinating They would I would go to their meetings and they talk about the fact that the West is in decline By that they meant that the West is declined culturally because of loss by national identity Socially because of the dysfunctional families moral because of what's happening in the movies TV music the sexual promiscuity Spiritually because the fact that in Britain and in Europe only five to seven percent of the populace still go to church economically because they use Capitalism which is against interests and usury and politically because democracy is anathema in Islam these are the reasons why the West is declined and the reason for that is because Christianity is to blame Culturally because the West is now atheist or humanist socially the church has no view on families Morally and much all the movies and TV and music have been on our control by Hollywood the church has no control anymore Spiritually as I said earlier very few go to church and economically because it supports the church supports capitalism and Politically because it has no voice due to separation of church and state. So therefore if the West is in decline Christianity is to blame Then Islam is the answer because it's the only religion. That's a 24-7 religion 24 hours a day seven days a week It has an answer for every area of life spiritually culturally morally in every case It wants to eradicate morality with Sharia law It wants to eradicate using with Islamic banking He wants to eradicate democracy with the caliphate and Institute the caliphate and he wants to eradicate Western militaries by By use of the umma these signs are now all over London where they're what they call sharia controlled zones where they want to Bring Sharia law to eradicate these vices as they call them So how pervasive is radicalism? Well in President Obama said that there was only they only represent a very small minority possibly only 1% in the UK when they did this question back in 2001 they found that 15% of those who Responded said that they were radicals 70% that said that they were nominal the last 15 said that they were well liberal They asked the same questions a year later in 2002 and then it went jump to 25% said that they were radical Taken from the nominal when they tried it in 2006, so we're talking about five years later They asked the same question and this group that had been 15% as radical had now jumped to 43 percent over 40 percent in Britain have been radicalized in just five years Now this surprised everybody and they haven't done a survey since 2006 for obvious reasons I think they're scared of what they're gonna find I would suggest that Britain today is almost 60 to 70 percent radical From my own experience and for what I'm seeing Not one percent as Obama used to think And it's not just Obama almost all the the political pundits. They say the same thing in Britain The British Muslims are choose the boycotting the government's anti-terror program. We hear 99% of the Muslims are peaceful They are fed up with being targeted as radicals yet We know of 2,000 UK Muslims that joined ISIS another 2,000 were imprisoned Because of the fact they tried to join ISIS 3,000 are tagged tagged as dangerous and 20,000 are under surveillance as radicals. That's a Total of 27,000 total radicalized Muslims in Britain that we know of that have made themselves known publicly On the other hand, we only know a 450 to join the UK army What does that tell you? What's more since 2006 of the 2,000 Muslims who have been arrested for trying to join ISIS only 230 have been tipped off by Muslims himself That's only 10% the other 90% were all tipped off by non Muslims mostly teachers and social workers Suggesting that much of the Muslim community is not doing its job When you look at radicalization on a world's level that the only time that this has ever been done is 2004 So we're 15 years out of date But when they asked this question in these four countries one country to represent each continent in Turkey 31% of the populace considered themselves radical Morocco is 45% Jordan. It was 55% and in Pakistan most troubling 65% in that time They had about 140 million. That's a 80 million in Pakistan alone that become radicalized. That should trouble all of us Now the clearing project wanted to answer this question whether it only represent 1% and they looked at just the number of those who were actually joined had been part of rices About 40 to 200,000 40 200,000 is the estimate 30,000 had were members of Hamas 50,000 members of Hezbollah 100,000 members of the Al-Qaeda and 20 to 100,000 members of our year That's al-Quds force in Iran in good revolutionary guard 2000 young British Muslim that had joined ISIS and the question was does that represent only 1%? Well, let's look at some other factors This came out in the clearing project in 2015 four years ago And they wanted to ask the question they went to as many Muslim countries They could to find out about apostasy whether or not Anybody that left Islam should be killed and that's called the apostasy law, which is in chapter 4 verse 89 of the Quran itself 79% of those in Afghanistan said they should be killed in Egypt It was 86% in Malaysia. It was 62% and All Muslims believe apostates 27% of all Muslims believe that apostates from Islam should be killed around the world That is a total of 237 million That's another way of looking at radicalism. Is that just 1%? What about honor killings when you kill your girl or your son or your daughter that comes from chapter 18 of the Quran verse? 83 to 101 345 million Muslims now agree with honor killings suicide bombings 42 a French Muslims believe in suicide bombings 35 British Muslims believe in suicide bombings American Muslims 26% of those in the age 18 and 29 years old Believe in suicide bombings. Is that just 1%? Shadiah and hoodoo law. Just look at the statistics 281 million Why this growth? Well, you need to look at two sources one is the scripture when you look at scripture Just look at those verses a hundred and forty nine violent verses in the Quran. How many of you knew this before today? How you would exegete these verses? Well, you need to go back to Muhammad's own example look at his biography and look and see what he did to the Jews as I mentioned earlier They're in Medina those who criticized him. I'm a Usman bit mutt one was one a porous who criticized him when he first moved to Medina He said who's gonna take care of this woman for me who mattered the blind disciple went and killed her that night while she was suckling her baby We know of around 25 people that were killed and the reason was simply because they criticized Muhammad Now I see that on my time's up and I need to stop there But I want to just ask a question. There's an awful lot I could go through When you look at the Quran when you look at Muhammad's life, you need to go back to the book in the man the book in the man The question I want to ask is who's looking at the book and who's looking at the man? Humanists and atheists and your government does not know how to deal with this because I don't know of anybody in your government That's actually reading the Quran or are talking to radical Muslims The only people they're talking to are the Isha Mungi's of the world The ones who live here in the West and most of those who live in the West who are given airtime Who are on your television screens and who are on your radios or the Irshad Mungi's of the world not the Anjum Chaldeh Until you understand what the Quran is saying until you look at those 149 verses Until you look and see what Isis did if you follow what Isis did everything they did you can find in scripture Everything they did you can find in scripture crucifying Chapter 5 verse 33 cutting off the heads chapter 47 verse 4 killing the apostates chapter 4 verse 89 The verses go on and on cutting off the hands of the thieves chapter 5 verse 38 Having nothing to do with Christians and Jews chapter 5 verse 51 Beating the women chapter 4 verse 34 taking the women the Yazidi as slaves. That's in chapter 4 verse 24 You want me to go on I could go on all night You have to read the Quran to understand why Isis exists You have to understand the Quran and understand Muhammad's life to understand why we have Al-Qaeda and Boko Haram Al-Shabaab and The only people that are doing that are people like me and Others who are now coming on board to realize that we've got to read the Quran and exeget it as we would exeget the Bible You've got to exeget it as the Muslims exeget it You've got to read it face value You've got to look at the context you've got to read verse by verse and you've got to see how it is applied by Muhammad himself We do that of our own Bibles. Why is it that the rest rule can't do that with the Quran? Can you therefore understand that the only way to take on radical Islam to the only way to stop another 9-11 from happening is if We Christians start engaging with them publicly But who is engaging with them publicly? Are you? Is there anyone here that's willing to do so now? We're doing it. I belong to Fander Fander films, which is the films I put up on YouTube you can go up and see them We're putting up. I'm putting up about a film every three days and We these films are engaging publicly with Islam. I use both apologetic and polemics Let me define terms apologetics means to defend the faith Polemics is to go on the offense. It's much like your football team. You have a defensive team and you have an offensive team Paul was both an apologetic and a polemicist if you look at Paul's minister You will see that he was he did defend against the Jews But he also went in Leo to see a Cappadocia Berea and and Ephesus in every city He went just look at Acts chapter 17 and 19 and realized that every city He went to he went right into the synagogue uninvited He went right up to the Pharisees and he confronted them with what they had done to the Messiah They threw him out They threw him into prison Sometimes they beat him twice. They tried to stone him to death He caused a riot in Ephesus and they finally killed him in Rome. You don't get beaten up You don't get thrown into prison. You don't cause riots and you don't get killed for just having peace the gospel by definition is confrontational Anytime you say to a Muslim That God entered time and space you're gonna confront them Anytime you tell a Muslim that God died on the cross you're gonna confront them But that's the gospel is it not And we have to confront Muslims. That's my job. I'm a polemicist I don't want any of you to be to do what I do. Please don't do what I do But every one of you can defend your faith And every one of you can defend Jesus Christ Every one of you can learn apologetics And that's all Christ is asking you to do therefore you need to start engaging with Muslims They're all around you. They're all here in the los angeles valley Now george if you just raise your hand look back at george back there. He is one of the best to do that He is here in los angeles. He has Muslims Ministry to muslim m2m and his ministry. He has a book table out here when you go back look at his book table I want to just show you two books that you can buy right now This is one by sam solomon the trojan horse modern day. This goes and shows you what exactly islam is doing in the west Using the trojan horse idea Written by sam solomon a good friend of mine in london Sam solomon was is considered probably one of the most dangerous muslims When he was a muslim he had memorized the Quran in three languages English Arabic his mother tongue and urdu even though he's not from pakistan He was head of all the islamic courts in pakistan for nine years even though he's not even a pakistani That shows you the prodigy of the man we're talking about He fell fell in love with jesus christ And he never looked back And that's why he is so dangerous Well, this these are written by him This is al-yazud yahud the eternal islamic enmity and the jews looking and showing why is it that they have to hate the jews These two books are for sale on the book table back there This weekend we're having a conference called Our strong tower and you need to talk to george back there who raised his hand. It's on friday and saturday It's right down the road at calvary chapel chino hills On friday night. It starts at 6 45 myself and dr. David wood If you want to find a man who's been on the internet and probably more people know him than anywhere Anybody else in the christian world outside of probably christian prince He and i and along with dr. Edward dalkour will be engaging with with christians for And explaining to you how to deal with islam how to identify them and how to preach the gospel to them Because every one of these beautiful people needs the gospel We need to take them away from the crown back to the bible We need to take them away from allah and back to yahui We need to take them away from is and back to yesua We need to bring them home And we're going to train you how to do that this weekend That's going to be just down the road at calvary chapel chino hills 6 45 on friday evening and then starting at 9 45 in the morning saturday But you need to sign up see george at the back Some of you have asked how is it that i'm also uh, how is it we can watch the dvd This is the dvd that i put together when i was in britain of the british Museum god bless the british they went everywhere stole everything and put it into one building called the british museum And that one museum has more has more treasures in it about our bible concerning our bible than any other building on earth Now you can walk through that building and not know in anything you're looking at you won't see anything to help you Because the british are not interested in letting you know exactly how powerful those artifacts are So we put together a tour back in 2000 and we've had over six thousand people go on this tour But because it's so popular they they finally filmed it and it's on film you can buy it for 25 dollars am i correct 25 dollars From george at the back Some of you also want to know how is it you can actually get engaged and actually learn this material i will be coming back to veritas seminary next month Veritas seminary is calvary chapel seminary It's in costa mason am i correct Thank you it's in costa mason just down the street and i'll be teaching a whole week of intensive training There'll be 15 different lectures And i don't speak as fast as i'm speaking now i do slow down They'll be every night from the 7th to the 11th of october every evening from 6 30 to 9 30 These are for master's degree level and also doctorate degree level But any of you can also take it if you do want to take it you don't have to go and do it for credit You can just come and sit in so go come and see me afterwards and i'll give you the address The other one last thing i'll just say if any of you want our prayer card Our prayer card is also on back on the table go and we do need an awful lot of prayer for what we're doing We have just come across some brand new material that i introduced at speakers corner on sunday We are destroying the Quran using historical criticism using the exact same criticism that we used against the was used against the bible And what we have found in the last 10 years what we have found in the last five years And what we have found in just the last two months is incredulous I will be introducing it at veritas next month Meanwhile, you can go up online and at fander films and see exactly what's happening and see the reaction of what happened last week I mean, sorry three days ago at speakers corner when they heard it for the first time Muslims are not used to this kind of criticism We are But you need to you need to pray with us if any of you do want to come on our prayer group Go and sign up on the prayer sheet there And if you want to learn more about how to Engage with islam we do have the fander course you can sign up on the fander course there on the page That is a course that starts next tuesday and goes to april every tuesday and it comes to you You don't go to it. It comes to your laptop. It comes by zoom webinar So there's an awful lot of material that you can use to start engaging with islam There's quite a few people in the world that want to help you engage with islam Islam is growing it will soon surpass christianity as the largest religion by 2050 It is not growing by conversion growth. It is growing by biological growth We need your help God bless you. I've been here long enough the man's coming up to take me off Let's see next time we're back