 Good evening comrades. We are here at police service headquarters where we have come to give solidarity to our deputy national information chairperson, Ambasada Emmanuel Muamba, whom we learned was picked up this afternoon in woodlands at a tower beaten, bandod like a common criminal by the Zambia Police. As we are here, this is what time we arrived here around 1830. They are not allowing access to anyone to see him, including his lawyers. They have been pleading with the police to allow his lawyers to be part of the interrogation. But so far, nobody has been allowed. As you can see, he is still inside. We don't know where this country is going. Our constitution provides that one should have a lawyer to be present when they are being interrogated. We have Emmanuel Muamba, who was our ambassador in Ethiopia, ambassador in South Africa, a person of reputable status being picked like a common criminal. The police have got no regard for anyone whatsoever because they are receiving police constructions. Where is our country going to? This has to stop. This must stop. I end here for me. Thank you. On behalf of the members of parliament who have turned out to equally give support to the community of Emmanuel Muamba, we are saddened with this continue police action and that police brutality. The report that we got was very disturbing, which was in the house, that MCC Emmanuel Muamba was picked up and beaten at the kawash, turned into a vehicle like a common criminal and brought here to serve his headquarters. We are obviously here to give him support and we came here to see him and find out how he is doing. We have not been given access. So, two things. One, the continued brutality of suspects. If common Emmanuel Muamba is a suspect, he still enjoys his rights. Secondly, we are here with his family. The family deserves to know where Emmanuel Muamba spent the night tonight. The wife is here carrying his medication and she wants to pass over the medication to him. So, you can imagine that we are back to the colonial times where people will be tortured. Suspects are tortured because a country is sliding in a police state. What is even more disturbing is that the criminals, the real criminals are still working in the streets. The people that took advantage of the 65 million kwaisha, which was seized by anti-corruption commission, are still working in the streets. Government has struggled to try and justify, but we know that the money never hit control night and night. I wish the police could devote that effort to try and arrest those criminals who are working in the streets. There are criminals as we are talking now who are mining in case here and all these criminals are working freely. We know that criminals are being bundled and tortured, you know, like common criminals. Now, kwaisha, we were discussing the other day, we saw this coming. Zambian, countrymen and women, we want you to be reminded of one thing. Whenever the UPND government does something wrong, they find a sacrificial lamb. Komredi manu mwamba is today a sacrificial lamb so that Zambians can stop talking about the deposit slip that never came to follow. Zambians should forget about the 65 million that disappeared in some account. So they have picked up the manu mwamba, they know that everybody focused on trying to secure the freedom of our company. So this is who we are, because we are women's community. Well, thank you so much, leader of the position. For me, I feel very sad today, very sad that it is now for the 65 million, no deposit slip, but fake papers being laid on the floor of the house. And I'll come to the issue of those papers being fake, because they are fake. And then the issue of mining KCM, how to soldier it, we have 6.1 billion quarter FIC import. All of these things are not making sense. Now, the police have a lot of work. They have a lot of work. We were told by a PS in the village of Roma Feras that some of these people were actually fake. Now, fake papers, how do they become so important? The papers are fake, isn't it? They are fake, that's what we are saying. How do they become so important? The old general's reports, we were told, they were sentisito of this. The following day, the old general, the old tazu did the work. We are being researched, laptops taken away. So it's how fake are these rika gens? That is a thing, but the problem is for me, there is a lot of work for the police. A lot of work, you know, because of the poverty levels which have escalated. A lot of thefts are going on. People are being beaten. Instead of concentrating on these criminal activities, the police are concentrating on PF. PF is not an enemy of the people. PF is just an alternative leadership for the people, isn't it? You can draw a lot of ideas from PF. You can get a lot of ideas from PF because PF was in opposition for many years. PF was in opposition for many years. If you are serious, you can draw a lot of lessons from the existence of PF and you can make your governance a little better instead of laying fake papers on the floor of the house, instead of just promoting national division, instead of doing just all these things which are inimical to the nation, you can become a better leadership by providing the necessary leadership as opposed to just looking for PF. PF is not your enemy. Your enemy is poverty. Your enemy is debt, which you claim PF left, but you have borrowed more than you have been able to raise yourselves. You have borrowed more than what you have been able to raise. Okay? So PF will never be your enemy. Your enemy is dead in lies everywhere, at every opportunity, wu fi. That is your enemy. Because when you tell lies, people are going to know that wu fi if you lay a deposit which is not, people will know that it's not a deposit. So wu fi mga maa nasha kwa wu fi, mamma nuku teke caro wu wu ii noga kapa kola ga, is wu mambo kui kata if you pondo, not to be a PF. You will be okay. If you do these things even in IMF as you do your restructuring of debt, they are going to say you are credible. You can't be saying you are credible, mlele teki hafizun paramedu. No, we are credible. I'm sorry. Yeah. Just before I invite Kassinia Kansu, the issue of human rights, the issue of the rule of law, it forms part of a good record for the country. I think that even as described, trying to structure debt, the government must do something more and that something more is to follow the rule of law and respect human rights because the human rights violations and the torture of members of the public, the torture of suspects that we are seeing may just affect our good record and in turn affect the negotiations that are ongoing insofar as debt destruction is concerned. Kansu, you may wish to. Thank you very much. Thank you. We are making a statement on issues that have to do with the governance of the nation. Frankly, if anybody has had any doubt that this country has now become a policy state, what we have been witnessing in the last two weeks in particular the last two months is testimony to the fact that we are really in a policy state. It may not be affecting a lot of zambians because it appears that the target right now is a patriotic front. But the reality in the spreading of education is that once you are finished with one group, you will begin to root for another group that you can yet aggress. Today, we are here following up a matter not only of one of our ambassador, Emmanuel Mata. We are also following up a matter involving Andy Duterte and also Thompson Piro. The young bloggers who were arrested two days ago who have not been given access to their lawyers and who are still incarcerated. When we came here, we were informed by people that were around where non-repomobiles picked up and people that were also witnessing the time that Mr. Duterte and Mr. Piro were being arrested. And it has confirmed to us that they are still locked up or they are still hold up somehow within four-side waters. But the police have refused to give us the access to them as their lawyers and also as comrades from the parliament. Honourable Makebi Zulu was here earlier on before I came and he's been engaging the police command to try and see if they can give them access to these three individuals in order for them to just get information of whether they've been tortured or not. Now, the reason why the police would restrain you from accessing your client is clearly because they have either tortured him or they wouldn't just want him to be able to have legal representation at the time they interrogated him. If you get into the culture of interrogating citizens in the absence of their lawyers, then you have arrived at a police state. This is not the only case we are following up. There's also a case of Honourable, of sorry Dr. Zumanizi. He has been incarcerated, he has moved from one facility to the next without being presented before the court. His lawyers have made an application to court and they've asked the court to issue a rate of labour scopers. Even that matter is being in its movement at SNEW's rate because now we can even begin to accuse other institutions of being complacent to the degeneration of the rule of law that we are experiencing as a nation. How can you take such a long time to issue a rate of labour scopers? Ideally a rate of labour scopers is supposed to be issued within 24 hours to 248 hours. Comrade Zimba has been incarcerated for the past two weeks. How can you take such a long time to issue a rate of labour scopers? If you relate also to the case of Honourable Nixwantilam, secretary general of the patriotic front he has had to protect himself because if the law cannot protect you, a human being can use the initiative to protect themselves. He has challenged the issue of that warrant against him. On the basis that he was in the high court on the day that was supposed to be in the high court issued a ruling in which it says it doesn't have powers to cancel that warrant. We all know that if one individual is required to appear before two courts you are mandated to appear before a court which is superior to the other court. On that day Honourable Nixwantilam was supposed to appear in two courts in the high court in the subordinate court. He sent word to the subordinate court including documentary evidence because it appeared before the high court in the matter where you cited the contempt of court. Now contempt of court are criminal proceedings and the subordinate court in Kawambu also criminal proceedings so two criminal courts were here in the same individual's cases. He was obliged to appear before superior court because on that account alone the law court should have given him an agenda. Unfortunately the courts in Kawambu issued a warrant against him. When he challenged by bringing the case in the high court to challenge the decision of the subordinate court because it is an inferior court the high court which is supposed to be superior court has decided to wash its hands off often. Now if you call that justice then you have to change the definition of justice because in this case it is actually a miscarriage of justice instigated by the court structure itself. Now one lives to one. What is going to happen if an individual be required to appear before the subordinate court as before the high court? What decision do you make? So it is just this confusion. We are hopeful that whatever next steps the lawyers wondering what we are going to take if it is appearing to the court of appeal we can make an appeal to the court which will just come out and deliver justice. In the quality of justice that people expect of an institution like the high court and the court of appeal we have been practicing law for a long time you will know that if you explain to the subordinate court that on the material day when the high court, they are mandated not to wish a benturata dynasty but in this case because you are dealing with a leader of the opposition in the name of the secretary general and some people who is actually a member of parliament who you want to humiliate and embarrass you decide to step the law and focus on ensuring that it gets punished. The reality about the law is that if you don't follow the law you just create an appeal. These people that you keep victimizing but using the law to vilify them like what happened to your ambassador because very unfortunate one look as you were there started crying because they saw what he was going for he was humiliated, he was vilified he was assaulted by the police who were supposed to protect him and now we've been here we spent the last 4 hours trying to find out if we can have access to him we are not even aware what condition is in we don't even know now where he is but insofar as we have been informed including the police officers who operated to us he is actually within this facility here and we are hopeful that somebody can listen to what we are saying and make a reasonable decision and ensure that we are given access to him to establish his experience and quite frankly if anything has happened in terms of torture he is supposed to be given access to be allowed to go and seek medical attention you can't torture someone but then confine them somewhere where they cannot be accessed by their family the wife is with us we are hopeful that somebody can listen to this and make a decision thank you so much it's very sad to see what has happened in our country we want to go to one country which is an example of which we should not pretend but just one reason why no one asked to say our comment it's probably solid and they can't allow us to see him in the state in which he is but what we should not forget is this power which we acquire doesn't last forever so all they are asking from the government is can we see justice to prevail please note the dreaming if anything hasn't even yet been charged why not let him have access to his lawyers so that he can explain exactly what the situation is and more especially his wife and the family members over here we are not asking for much we just want to see him and if possible find out where he is and how he is to it it's very sad we should not forget or lie to ourselves this is just political power which is not going to last forever if the government comes and goes but if we will be treating ourselves like this what about if they were to leave power and the other government comes and they will be happy to be treated the way they are treating PFO members I don't think this is the best way if really we want to create an atmosphere whereby it's once under one nation let us preach what we are talking let us practice what we are preaching about as once under one nation not whereby we preach something else and then what we are doing is contrary to what we are talking about thank you thank you, so bantu men and women we remain determined and we try and welcome them you can see members of parliament people arriving at Fosec gotten we are resolved so that within the course of this year we should be able to find comrade muamba if possible find a medical practitioner who can attend to him we are all worried in what state he may be in going by what we were told by those that witnessed the brutal arrest our national youth national women chair lady is here so she may want to say something thank you this is a very sad moment especially for us women I could actually see the theory eyes of mrs muamba the agony that she is going through death like every other woman not knowing what has happened to your husband as I conversed with her she said her last conversation with her husband was called the lawyer so you can imagine just the torture of not knowing where your husband is what has happened to him the president himself is a father he is a husband and I am sure he would understand if the first lady were to go through such anguish he himself on several occasions has given statements that he would not want anybody to go through such kind of lamentation but this is what is happening and may appeal I think to the general populace out there is that this brutality is real and the Suda the Zambian people wake up to the reality that we are under capture and today it could be one of us here at the police station tomorrow it will be somebody else I think everyone has the right to justice if not with the members of parliament but at least if they could allow him to see the wife but his wife would be able to come the children at home and called for this is a democratic dispensation everyone has the right to be head even at whatever level of criminality everyone has the right to be head so I call upon all women across the country in all corners this isn't funny anymore we have real issues at hand just the agenda of parliament we were making documents that were fake before the house so these are issues that we should be debating and standing here outside the force headquarters wondering what has happened to our police so we appeal as a mother as a wife as a sister to his excellence in the president can justice prevail I also want to speak on behalf of my brother Zuman if there is anything that he has done take him to court that is why he has been arrested but take him to court so justice prevails if he has done something wrong let's see the courts decide but holding him like that without giving him an opportunity to be head is and called for it is fair and also where what is very surprising is that where is the international community when all this is happening this is happening I was once minister of information I have European Union I would have the US government approaches where are they where is this silence my appeal is that can we begin to speak on these issues that is why we need the international community to come in please be an independent moderator this is our appeal can you begin to speak for us where is this silence coming from I remember when I was minister of information I had the European Union the US ambassador or ambassador has come to our office but what is happening today so please can we begin to speak even without the donor community where are these ambience where are the ambience that fought for this party democracy where are these ambience that fought for equality for all zambience can we begin to speak it is not a matter of being in opposition it's a matter of justice it's a matter of every zambience standing up and speaking for what is right today I might not be there tomorrow it will be somebody else but can justice prevail can ambassador be given an opportunity to see his lawyer be given an opportunity to see his wife I can imagine just a settlement that the wife is going through not knowing where your husband is there are rumors right now that he has been brutalized so you can imagine what the wife is going through so please whoever is in charge of this mess can we please have order can honourable Emmanuel Muhammad be given an opportunity to see his lawyer even in an interrogation you have the right to remain silent even when your lawyer is there but you can imagine what has happened to this country where people are abducted and taken to places where her people don't know so please present her kind can you do what is right before the people can you do what you promise that you will do for the people outside good evening for me it's a very sad evening just coming out of parliament instead of going home you hear that no ambassador mwamba has been this is what we call abduction if your family can't access you it means that you have been abducted whilst as we are politicians we can be denied what about the children what about a lawyer what is happening in this country I rarely comment on such things we just need to have order the minister of home affairs should facilitate that mwamba should be able to see the husband it's just the order that the wife should know where the husband is she is the next of kin before we even look at any other person the woman to access and see the husband may appeal to his excellence haka in the each of them you will understand what it is and what mwamba is going through right now and you wouldn't want any other person to go through what you went through honourabochirango he's not omnipresent to say he can be in two places at the same time only a witch can maybe be found in two places at the same time you understand to say higher court is supposed to submit to them higher court but you just want to squeeze him out of parliament and then you say Zambia is a democratic nation where will the pride be we lost kabushi because of the same kind of treatment we lost the kwacha because of the same kind of treatment now you are targeting kawamba it is not good you should allow democracy it should be able to flourish we can't allow a situation where you squeeze out members of parliament so that the new numbers can grow that is what democracy works it's important that you put these things to order allow the real law law to take place we can't allow to have a member of parliament at war just because you knew and the lower court and the higher court they communicate they know very well to say honourabochirango in a particular court at that time in addition honourabochirango is a man living with disability if we have any in regard for people living with disabilities to be represented in parliament can't we give him chance so that he can be there to attend to the issues which concern marginalized population in this country it's important that we try while you understand you are in power it's important that you look at some of the people who are disadvantaged in this nation I submit Thank you The last time this matter came on the floor of the house regarding abduction of members of parliament the Honourable Minister of Home Affairs came up sharply and denied that there is no such thing as abduction of members of the public but there it is people who reported to us from the kawash told us that Honourable Comrade Imano Mwamba was actually abducted after being brutalized and yet Honourable Mwimbu comes to the floor of the house to give an impression that he is running a very professional ministry and everybody is conducting themselves in a professional manner we want to place it on record this evening that abductions have continued the torture of suspects has also continued like the Honourable Chair lady put it we wonder where the international community is how is it that suddenly they can't see anything wrong with the new donor administration we were in government before and we know how many times they wrote articles and made statements about government at that time what we have seen now has not been seen in the past 25 years yet the cooperating partners the donor community is totally quiet we are now wondering as members of parliament how are we really being said by these friends of ours or is it that they may have other interests that we do not know that's the question that begs that's the question that only they can answer thank you very much sorry Honourable is it true that the police are acting on the instruction from Tabukawa and because Tabukawa issue the instruction was live on media when he was addressing the media and after that he is tracking these things happening now you see when you dealing with the third government government of cowards they can act in any way even the seniors can obey instruction of the donor because there is no order there is total lawlessness so I won't be surprised that Tabukawa now is in charge of issue instruction I mean we have a minister of local government the person who is issuing instructions to the minister is the minister of the secretary general of the party I mean if you want to talk about constitution we have a minister and local government but the Honour was taken over the ministry in essence is the what you call the secretary general of the UCND so yes I'm not surprised that now issuing instruction to the police to arrest the president I wouldn't doubt it Honour minister according to how authenticated they said later which they have accused the ambassador and these other bloggers who say they have secreted how authenticated is it I think my colleague called that they termed it as a fake letter so why is there so panic around fake documents why should there be so much panic because I think they are sending a different message not to the church they say to the church that the documents were fake and that's the whole country went back thinking about it but the panic around those documents they may be constructively authenticated those particular documents out of this panic we are now becoming suspicious I think there is some authentication of those documents given the action why should you brutalize somebody over fake documents why should there be so much panic we have a young man in police custody a couple of days now are you sure that is what you do over fake documents so maybe we need to start thinking we have to relook at the contents of those documents because they convinced us the documents were fake I think they are authenticating those documents we need to read those documents to understand the substantive content of those documents if you must also look to the site in fact their approach is very directed these documents have been circulated by a lot of people in fact the biggest number of people that I told you about is a UPNJ car because they first erupted in the UPNJ courts if I send UPNJ car then I will push them to the PF road and that is in the public purview but you have seen at the time they literally targeted people that are responsible for keeping that what you find in the media line but you will see a honorable member is actually the one who is leading a media team and you have seen the way he has been working around the media, zambians are informed real time what is going on in the country but this information did not actually come from honorable it came from the blog that belongs to UPNJ it actually sprayed onto the blog that are public to everybody else and to UPNJ itself but why are they only targeted these two individuals I mentioned Ivo and Thompson are actually bloggers for UPNJ why they are the only ones who have been arrested and then why are they pointed to Mamban in fact a little of the people say Mamban only became a victim after Tabukawaana made a declaration that is being looked after how do you, you don't even belong to the police how do you really want to break the news where was the police spokesperson you know but if you notice this is being played like a reader because even the police person issue some statement recently you know connected with the in this stage is where and more people are going to be arrested and the people that say more people are only members of the protected fund why aren't you arresting everybody else in fact the police even know where this came from they even know the individual whose response was putting it in the Zambian situation but that person has been conveniently avoided and they've gone for people that they know are responsible for putting the image of the protected fund to be made high enough and they think we're going to collapse by doing that we will not, like Tabukawa is the same all the time this is not a political question they pay everything which is owned by Zambians and Zambians remember very well what the protected fund has done in this situation if anybody thinks that by making these maneuvers they're going to destroy the existence of the protected fund they are playing in those in there the sooner they leave it the better for themselves so I think the question really is how authentic is that document the panic is sending a different signal to all the Zambians the Zambians are now taking interest to read those documents and understand the content because what it appears that they may not defect documents at all from just the action of the police thank you