 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind Pump! With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, we talk about Adam's multi-level marketing encounter at the grocery store. Did he get closed? Find out in this episode. We talk about My Day at Refuge, one of our favorite spas, and rituals surrounding death in societies. That's all in the intro. Then we get into the questions. We answer the question lightweight versus heavyweight for women who have the goal to lose weight and look lean, which one is better, which one is superior? Then we talk about the best way to work out when dealing with low testosterone. If you're a man with low testosterone, there is a way you should work out that will help that particular situation. We give our opinion on Dr. Oz. He's one of our favorite sham artists on TV. And lastly, things get a little personal. 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You get on your phone, you tap on the podcast icon, then you need to search for mindpump. Even if you're subscribed to mindpump, you have to search for mindpump. After you search for mindpump, click on the icon and then there will be a section that you can click on to leave a review. And we get anywhere between nine to 20 a week and we give out like three, four shirts. Your odds of winning a shirt are actually pretty high. So leave us a review and we'll pick the best ones. This week we're giving away three shirts. Three shirts. They're going out to Rachel Jamie, Skylar B557, Danny Williams Fitness. You all are winners. So send the name, the one I just read, to itunes at mindpumpmedia.com. Your shirt size, your shipping address and we'll get that right out to you. So I'm in Whole Foods yesterday and Katrina and I are shopping around and this couple walks up to me out of nowhere. Young couple probably mid-twenties or so, good looking fit, shopping around Whole Foods in the vegetable area, walks over to me, makes comment on my shoes, goes, hey, those are dope shoes. I like those. I was like, oh man, they thanks, right? And normally when we go grocery shopping, I'm like a typical male like, I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know what I don't do anything there. I just push the cart, you know? Really? Yeah. Don't act like that's not your job. Oh, no. I'm the shopper. Oh, you're the shopper? I've always been the shopper. Oh, wow. Always. I love grocery shopping. Fucking love it. It's one of my favorite things to do. Wow. I used to until I had kids and I can't stand it. No, I love it, man. I go crazy. I love taking the foods, looking at the labels, analyzing them. Which one do I want? Which I love it. It's my favorite thing to do. In fact, I volunteer to do it. Well, I've taught my girl how to do all that so she gets that. She knows the rules of what we eat and what we don't eat. No, no, no, we can't eat. You give her the guidelines. Yeah, she has her guidelines. So basically I push the cart. So anyways, she's off getting something, right? Cilantro or whatever. And I'm over there and the guy comes over and he says that to me, strikes up conversation and so I start talking to them. And he's complimenting the shoes and he asked me like, oh, you look like a guy that works out. Do you recommend Adidas or Nike? Or, you know, I said, well, actually I wear my converse, my chucks, or I go barefoot if I'm in my own facility. And he's like, what? And then he, so he got me explained this, he gets me talking, right? And the first bit of it, I don't see it coming yet because I realized that I actually just thought he really liked my shoes. I'm wearing my new EQTs and I get compliments on them all the time now. What's EQT? It's the Adidas shoe that I'm wearing right now. What does EQT stand for right now? Just a brand, right? Oh, okay, sorry. Equate. He's coming over and he's complimenting it, right? And he's talking to me and he, and then Katrina comes walking over and we're having this dialogue back and forth. And I realize about, I don't know, maybe five minutes into this conversation that, oh, I think this is, I think I'm going to get pitched here. Here comes an MLM. But I know you just smell it in the air, but it took me a while and the kid was good, right? And what made me like, so he's asking me all these questions. Oh, you're not. I do podcasting and he goes, oh, I listen to podcasts. Oh, what kind of podcast do you listen to? He's like, oh, I love entrepreneur stuff. Like we're entrepreneurs. You know, I love entrepreneurship. Oh, very cool, right? And he's trying to get me to ask him, right? Like what did he do? Yeah, yeah, right. But you're not. I'm not. And so he's like, and he did a really good job like circling around by asking me a bunch of questions and he keeps asking, and Katrina comes over and the guy and girl are talking and she goes, they've been married for 10 months and he makes this this comment about being retired within a year. They're like 20 something years old. He's like, you know, oh yeah, my wife and I, we plan to retire in a year. And that was the the big like, ask me what I asked me. My eyes almost spin in my head. That's the heart of it. So I love Katrina because Katrina Katrina sees right through it too. Like she put it together right away. And she's like, oh, so he looks he looks at the wife and he goes, what do you what do you do right now? She goes, oh, I'm a receptionist and he and then she looks at him and he goes, well, what do you do? And he goes, well, I used to be I used to clean homes and he says, I used to right to see if she'll answer. She totally doesn't say anything to him about that. And right at that moment was when I kind of cut the conversation off and you could see this look on his face. Like you wanted to ask the big MLM question and we took off and we left. We walk out of the grocery store. And at this point, Katrina and I hadn't said anything to each other. So we just were kind of vibing off of each other. And then we walk out of the grocery store. And I look over at her and I said, you knew it was coming next, right? And she goes, oh, yeah, that was obviously MLM, right? Oh, yeah. So she picked up on it. I picked up on it, but these I watched this. So they never actually told you? No, they couldn't get to it. Dude, what if what if what if you missed like a crazy opportunity? What if like he invented like this crazy tech? He's like, actually invented artificial intelligence. And you're a nice guy. I was actually going to have you early adopter. I was going to give you shares because you have nice shoes diamond platinum level right from the actually own social media. I reached 50 million people. I was going to promote your part that was the first time though that has happened to me in a grocery store like that. I thought and I was aggressive. It was. I watched him do that to other people after. Oh, no. Yeah. I watched him walk up and make strike up conversation. I always I shouldn't say this on the podcast. Yeah, I'm not going to. I'll say it's too late. You're committed. I have a rule where I always I try to always listen to people's pitches. You know why? I can't anymore. I know. I know it sucks every time it sucks. But I always try to listen because you never know what you're going to hear. You know what I mean? It could be. Well, I used to. It depends on how long it is. You know what I mean? That's what she said. Yeah. Yeah. I used to when I was looking for sales people. So I I do have a habit of entertaining someone like that because I was also that right. I want to see. I want to see how talented they are. OK, like this young guy pulled me out of a grocery store, got me to stop in my tracks to talk to him for 10 minutes. Like, OK, I'm interested to see where this goes. I want to see how well the job he does, but I don't give a shit about that anymore because I don't hire people anymore. And I used to hire sales employees. Like that was a different difference. You know what I used to do when when people would try to sell me things, it didn't matter where it was. If they were bad, I would coach them. Oh, so would I all the time. Here's what you need. Yeah, exactly what I would. The old me would have stuck around, let him pitch me and then told him what he did wrong. Yeah. Like, OK, that was a good job. The way you first got me going and talking to you about this. And then you went that way. But then you started fumbling around a little bit. And the idea of telling me that you're going to retire in a year. Bro, that's a pretty far. I remember this guy coming in and he was trying to sell me something. And he was like only accepting cash. And I was just like, you know, like they're square, right? And like, you know, if you're going to go in front of all these people, like nobody carries cash anymore, you know, you might want to like adjust your your approach with this. And so he's like, what was he trying to sell to that? What was he trying to sell? I don't even remember. Did it was some kind of membership for some kind of magazine or something? And he only accepted cash. Yeah, I was like, that sounds like such a hustle. I was like, yeah, I'm pretty sure that was real. Do you know that? For sure. Do you know? So this is crazy. When I got, I was only 23 somewhere around there. I had a client and she was like VP for Night Ritter, which was the people who produced Big Building in San Jose. Yeah, San Jose Mercury News, right? So that's who did the news. And she actually created a position at that time. I had my cousin who was living with me, who was between jobs, needed a job, and she totally hooked him up, created a position for him, basically as a favor to me to help him out because he was renting a room for me. And I thought that was really rad of her to do that. And what he, what she had him do was they had this issue. So the, the newspaper, and you guys have all had this happened to you, I'm sure before where you remember, and it was really popular like 10, 15 years ago, where someone would knock on your door and try and convince you to subscribe to the newspaper. Well, the San Jose Mercury News and most magazines contract that work out to companies that are like sales companies that have a team of, you know, door-to-door salesmen that they've trained up to do this and the company hires them pays them a commission for all the contracts that they get people to sign up for, for these newspapers. Well, what had happened is they had built a really bad reputation on the tactics that they use to get people to buy these magazines or subscribe to these magazines. So she created a position for my cousin. His job was to go in, pretend like he was working for this company to find out how they were training their employees. So, and then report back to her. Oh, so he was a mole. Yes. Wow, that's cool. Right. And he was a secret agent. Yes, he was. And they totally would teach him. So they would say, okay, if you go up there, they would give them like fake stories like, Oh, your mom's dying of cancer. Oh my God. Yes. And they would, they would, they would tell him that when you go up there, you know, if people like try and blow you off, say, Hey, you know, use that, use that angle like that, that, Oh, you know, I'm, I'm struggling. I can't get by. And this is what's going on with my mom or my family or my sister or my wife, whatever. So they would give them these stories to lie to people, to make people feel bad that look, it's only, you know, $9 a month in, you can have the newspaper and you really help me out by doing that. And so they would teach them to do that, do these tactics. Dirty. Yeah, really dirty. And that's happened to me before. I don't know if you guys have ever had that, but I've had some kid who actually has come to sell me a newspaper and he has actually just handed me a script where he, and he supposedly was mute. Oh, and has this whole thing like, yes. And he has, and I'm like, Oh, sorry. You know, I don't know what the newspaper to have a deal, right? So I've seen it. It's happened to me firsthand. And I didn't know that until, until that situation. Not crazy. Gee, say one word and I'll buy a magazine. Just kidding. Dude, you know what I went this weekend? Finally. Where? Refuge. Oh, you did go. I did go this weekend. I'm Joe. So I'm gonna hide it on you. So, and I'm almost like, I don't even, I almost contemplated not even talking about it on the podcast, because that would suck if that place got too popular because it's awesome. Yeah, right. Because it's not popular. First off, I mean, it's, so it's, it's like a big it's a big spa, but and a lot of it's outdoor, but they have all these, you know, jacuzzi's and then cold dips and freezing dips and sauna and steam room. The sauna is the hottest sauna I've ever been in. It fuck it's fire when you get in there. And then there's like five levels so you could sit at the very top and really sweat your dick off. Then when you get out, what I wanted to do is I wanted to jump in the cold dip. And so they have these signs over the, the cold and hot dips or whatever. And they'll have like little symbols that tell you how cold it is. So for the cold dip, you know, one snowflake is it's cold, like more than one as it's freezing. So I found the coldest one. How long, how long are we able to stay in there? Oh, dude, only seconds. I was probably in there for 30 seconds. 30? Yeah. That's a long time. Yeah. And I actually dunked, which most people would like they walk in, walk out. No, no, no, I went in, I went completely under. Yes, so did I. It was so cold, it was painful, like it hurt, like it tingled everything and got whole. And then when you come out, you're so invigorated. It's amazing. So I had been part of me, I have to admit that I was motivated though, because one of the workers there saw me going in it and like, you could tell it like the people that work there, when they see people get in that one, they're like, oh, this dude's legit because not hardly anybody goes in the fucking freezing, freezing. What is it like 40 degrees? I don't know what it was, but it's fucking freezing. It's so cool. It may as well be like ice cubes in it, right? Oh, he came over to me and he told me that there's a ex Navy seal guy who, you know, shows up there all the time and he'll go and he'll sit at the bottom and hold his breath for like two minutes under. Oh my God. So he gets, he sinks to the bottom of that and he holds his breath for like two minutes under. I couldn't, I did, I think, I did it a bunch of times, I did a bunch of cycles. And I think I did 15 seconds maybe, Matt. I mean, that's, it's so cold that like, Yeah, it's cold. That when you're ready to get out, you get the fuck out. Like I'm jumping out, like, ah, and it's, it hurts, it hurts your body, but it's really invigorating. How much did you love that layout? I wish I had something like that, dude. Dude. Accessible, it was too, it's far and that sucks. It's like an hour or something, you know, drive or whatever. I know, it's a, it's a, it's a trip, right? You have to make a whole day out of it or whatever. Oh man, I, I wish we had something like that. I was there for like three and a half hours. Did you guys massage too or just use them? No, man, I didn't want, no, I don't want to massage. I just wanted to go in there and just do, just do cycles of all that. And then we would go into these, just relax rooms where you go in and you, you know, you, you can read or whatever. So when they're reading and it was a good time, it's silent though. You're not allowed to talk. So nobody's talking, yeah, in the whole place. The only time I've done that was at Ben Greenfield's house. We went in the, the sauna and then the cold plunge. And then right after the cold plunge went into the hot tub and that was pretty crazy. That was your first experience doing something like that? Just this recent, like all in a row. Yeah. Oh wow. Yeah, I've always done them separate. How cold, his is like 47 degrees. I mean it was, yeah, it wasn't actually as cold as that. Yeah, it was, it was cold. Like it wasn't, when we went into the river, that was way colder, dude. I don't even know what temperature that was, but that was like, take your breath away, like a panic mode kind of cold. Oh, make sure your dick go inside out. Oh yeah, I had no dick. Shrinks everything. It's gone. It's terrible, so what'd you guys do this weekend? What did I do this weekend? What do we have going on? Oh, I had a funeral, man. I had my best friend's wife, father, so his father-in-law just passed away. I mean he was on his last limb for quite some time. The shitty part was he was, they were overseas traveling and they got the news while they were traveling. And so they came back, kind of put a damper obviously on his trip. They came back. Now, she is a Hmong. And if you're not familiar with Hmong, Hmong were the people that housed the Americans during the Vietnam War. And so they were totally outcasted from Vietnam. So, and then we housed them over here. And I believe Merced, Sacramento, that area like that, there's a large population of them over there. And part of their culture when someone passes like that, it's like a week long thing. So, a week long, and Saturday and Sunday, we went by to pay our respects on Saturday, but it literally is a from six, seven a.m. in the morning all the way till 10 p.m. at night, back-to-back days. Wow. Of just ceremony. You know what's interesting to me about all these ceremonies and stuff that we surround around death, because I actually had this discussion with someone a long time ago, like why do we have so many rituals around death? Like every culture has rituals and every culture spends, most of them spend a couple days of ritual to kind of, you know, the morning process or whatever. And I thought about like, why do we do so much around death? Like why don't we just like bury them and then we're off or whatever? And I think the reason why it stuck around so long is probably because it helps the morning process. You know what I'm saying? Like if you're someone who lost somebody very close, it's probably helpful to have like a five day or four day or whatever, or week long process where you show up and then you see all these family members and friends kind of support you each day, you know what I mean? So you can feel their support. So it is interesting though, every culture's got something like that, right? You acknowledge it, you work through it, you know, you have a community there to kind of support you in that. It looks different like in every culture, some people that really celebrate it and make a party out of it. And it's interesting to see like the different contrasts of cultures, how they deal with death. Well, in Sicily, when you die, they keep you in the house for I forgot how long. Oh really? Yeah, they keep your body in the house for, I wanna say a week, I'm probably wrong. Oh shit, that's probably a long one. I don't know, they keep the body there and people visit the home and then they do the process of the rosary in the funeral. So it's very interesting. Katrina's dad passed, we kept him in the house for a while after, but I'm talking like hours, not like days. No, they do something like days. He'd pass in the morning and we kept him there all day pretty much and everybody kind of like- People show up and do the thing? Yeah, yeah, everybody. You know what though, I want like, I want it to be like a fucking party dude. Like I want everyone to get together and like celebrate my life, like not mourn over me. Like I want it to be anybody and everybody that I'd impact them hopefully positively in their life show up, fucking have a drink on it, have a drink in my memory tab. We'll have a DJ. We'll have a DJ. We'll have a DJ. Yeah, no, seriously, I really want that. I don't want, I don't want like a bunch of people. People are showing up like, oh my God, is that cocaine? Like no, that's his ashes. Don't do- Oh my God. It's not that kind of party. We're not trying to snort at him. Seriously. Everybody do it like that. I want a big ass party, bro. I want a big party, man. A big party when you guys- So if I go before you guys- Not me, man. When I die, I want everybody to fucking cry. Like I want it to be- It's just horribly sad. He's the most impactful person ever. That's how bad, that's how strong my ego is. When I'm a spirit, I'm gonna watch him. Wow. I feel your tears. Look how sad everyone is. Remember when you're a teenager and you're all like pissed off and depressed because you're a teenager, and you ever have those fantasies like, wow, if I just died, people would be so sad. People would miss me. They'd be so sad if I died. My parents would be so- I'm so important to everybody. They'd cry so hard. Yeah. Fuck this dude. So stupid. Yeah. Bring the bird on. The eagle has landed. Climera quaw! Today's quaw is being brought to you by Chimeric Coffee. It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural neutral picks for a cleaner, calmer, and more focused buzz without the crash. Put the Chimeric link at mindpumpmedia.com and input the discount code Mindpump at checkout for 10% off. It's the motherfucking quaw. The eagle has landed. Quikwa. Our first question is from Devanya27, is asking about lightweight versus heavyweight for women who have the goal to lose weight and look lean. Can we skip this question and just go straight to number four? No, no, no, no, no. We got a weight, dude. No, fuck you. We got a weight. We're gonna address this right now. Don't ruin the whole episode. You can't skip around on any of your questions. No, we can get this out of the way and then everything else will flow nicely. I think it's a misstep by putting it at the end. Well, here it is. I gotta answer the question already, Justin. Whatever. Well, this is good. Actually, what you did is good, Justin. What you just did, it's like a retention gimmick. Now everybody has to wait in anticipation. Yeah, till the very end. So lightweight versus heavyweight. I think the appropriate way to ask this question would be high reps versus low reps because that's really what's important. Lightweight, heavyweight, it's all relative. Like, what do you mean by light and heavyweight? Depending on the exercise that you're doing and the tension that you're creating with the exercise, your body doesn't know how much weight you're lifting. It just knows how much tension is being created. So, but as far as the goal of losing weight, weights do one thing very, very well. They build muscle and build strength. Higher reps and lower reps both do this. And if you get stuck in one of them for too long, your body will stop seeing results. So, the answer to this is both. Is you wanna be able to do both, but you wanna probably phase them so that you're not necessarily doing both in the same week or the same workout. In other words, focus on a two to four week cycle of heavyweight and low reps where that's your focus. Your focus gets stronger within this five rep range with weight. And then after that, maybe move into a higher rep range where it's maybe around 10 to 12. And then you could do that phase for a little while and then maybe even a higher one after that. And all along the way, you'll see the body progress and you'll speed up your metabolism. Or at least your body will burn more calories because it's goal now, it's adaptation signal is to build muscle. And in terms of weight loss, it's one of the best things you could do is increase your body's caloric burn. Now that being said, no doubt for sure of all the women that I have trained in 15 plus years, getting them to lift heavy ass weight has impacted them positively more than anything else. So I know that's a generic answer. And like Sal said, we would move in and out phase that I wouldn't just lift heavy weight, but most women have stayed away from lifting heavyweight and low repetitions for so long in fear. Cause that's been marketed to them. Yes. Like high reps, low weight. Yes. So for so long, they've been lifting lightweight, lots of repetitions and high intensity and sweating like crazy in their workouts that the lifting six reps or less even and heavy weight is such a different adaptation for their body that it responds incredibly. And it's part of the reason why we went in maps red, it was created by Sal made it a low rep range, heavy weight, the first phase. Cause he knew right out the gates that first of all, we know that 65, 65 plus percent of the people that purchase maps is gonna be women and it's north of that. So more than half of our audience is women and we knew that most women don't lift heavy weight. So we knew if he came out with a phase right out the gates that is focused on an adaptation, a majority of people are gonna respond very well right away. And the only women that I would say wouldn't respond extremely well are ones that are already power lifters or Olympic lifters, right? I mean, those, if there's any. Which is a small percentage of the population and part of the reason why people get such quick initial results is because they're switching into a phase that they're not, they never trained in. And again, like Adam's saying in particular women, women typically don't train there because they believe that that's gonna make them big and bulky when in reality, again, muscles just grow or shrink. They don't do anything else. There isn't a difference between building muscle one way versus building muscle another way and how it's gonna look. They either build or they shrink and phasing your workouts is gonna give you better results. If you are one of those women, by the way, they're extremely rare. I think I've only run into one in my entire life where they do build muscle so easily where we'd have to kind of scale it back. You still wanna get there the fastest way possible. In other words, if you're trying to get results, why not get results the fastest way possible, the most effective way possible, which is the best way to build muscle when you get to that point where you look in the mirror and you're like, oh, this is as toned as I wanna get or this is as muscular as I wanna get. Then you can scale it back and scale back in density. And now let's dive a little bit into the psychological part why most clients that I've helped with this, struggle with this is let's pretend we're starting off a program and you say, hey, Mind Pump says this or I just bought my maps program and you start in phase one and it's heavy lifting, low reps. And your goal is to tone. And I'm doing air quotes right now. Is to tone up. I love how you say that too. Tone. Is to tone. I wanna tone. This made up word, right? So you're trying to lose body fat and build muscles, what you're trying to do, right? So that person starts off and maybe their diet isn't all the way in check and they're eating in a little bit of a surplus and all of a sudden they put on two or three pounds like initially right out the gates, a week or two in a training. And what happens is most those people bail on the programming because they're like, oh my God, I did not sign up to get bigger. I don't wanna get bigger and they freak out and they go away when in reality it's probably awesome. They probably put on two pounds of muscle that their body is responding so well to this new adaptation they're not used to. And in fact, they're probably in a much better position as far as their metabolism is concerned but because they're so caught up in the scale and maybe how they look in the mirror like, oh my God, I look bigger or oh my God, the scale showing me three pounds heavier and they bail on the lifting the heavy weights and they say, oh, there's no way. Heavy weights just isn't good for me or how many times have you guys heard this from a female like, oh, I don't lift heavy weights because I just get big so easy. I just blow up as soon as I touch weights. No you don't. Yeah, no, that's what they think. They think that, but what's happening is they're building muscle and they're probably also eating in a surplus where. And they're overweight. Usually it's overweight people that say that and fat takes up a lot more space on a pound per pound basis as compared to muscle. It's just muscle is far more dense. So if you have body fat on you or you gain body fat, you're gonna get a lot bigger than if you just gain muscle. So even if you gain two pounds of muscle, you're probably not gonna look bigger. You'll feel tighter. That's where the word tone came from. You'll feel it, but you're not gonna look any bigger. The other thing too to consider is the intrinsic tension you can create with weights to make them feel heavier. I think that's an important thing to cover. I know Justin, you're big on that. Yeah. In creating tension. Maybe you can talk a little bit about how that can make something light feel heavy. Oh yeah. I mean, it's all about the intent and what you're trying to accomplish with range of motion. I've actually done this with a lot of people once you start really articulating where to control the weight and where to hold your joints in the right angles. And it completely takes a different form for the exercise. And a lot of times I'll remove weights and we'll just use body weight techniques or we'll use stuff with a stick, which I'll use as well. But there's a lot of different ways for you to connect and intensify these types of movements intrinsically, which I feel like is a misstep from a lot of people where they're not really in control of their body like they think they are. They're reacting to this weight that they're trying to move. And so if you haven't really took the time to control the weight, it really is a transformative experience for people because now they can actually start with the loading sequence and improve upon their training with that being the next focus. But the initial focus is, can I even move and control this weight with the proper mechanics? And I feel like there's just so many people that just bypass that step. And here's the other thing you wanna also consider. Cause when you talk about lightweight, we should also cover super lightweight type exercises like we found and they were more popular back in the day. I do still see a lot of Instagram posts like this where girls were promoting, where you're doing like these little leg kickbacks and you're doing 50 reps or 100 reps and you just wanna feel the burn and you're doing it like one exercise for three minutes during the whole video or whatever. Here's something you wanna understand when it comes to your muscle. Yes, you are working your muscle with those super, super light but super high rep movements, you are. But your training and adaptation that doesn't really require your muscle fibers to change their appearance. So what I mean by that, if your motivation is to change that with one of your motivations is to change the way your body looks, you wanna just smart to target the muscle fibers or at least the adaptation that has the biggest propensity for changing the way it looks and that strength. Endurance, not so much. When you're training for endurance which is what this really lightweight high rep stuff will train for, your muscle fibers don't need to get bigger, they just need to become more efficient at getting rid of waste and utilizing energy. So if you're doing a lot of these super high rep sets, visually speaking, you're not gonna get that much change. You're gonna get much more endurance. So now you can do 100, 200 reps of standing body weight squats but your legs and your butt and whatever aren't gonna look that much different. Now on the flip side, if I'm training for strength and I'm training in the lower rep ranges and when I say lower, I mean anywhere between one rep to let's say 15 or 20 reps which I consider all within that muscle building range but different, still different adaptations but still muscle building. When you're training in there, what you're doing is you're asking for an adaptation that requires muscle fibers to actually grow. So you're gonna cause visible change in your body. This is why you can see endurance athletes and whatever doing all these exercise, all these movements and they still don't look, some of them are lean because they burn so many calories and don't eat much but they don't have muscle development. If you lift weights for strength, you're gonna see muscle development. So again, if you're lifting weights to change the way your body looks and to become not more efficient with calories but less efficient because that's what happens when you build muscle, you burn more calories than you wanna focus on strength. So the heavier weight, that whole general category of heavier weight is where you wanna focus your attention when you're in the gym. Well, a lot of people don't understand exactly what's going on or what we're doing when we're building muscle and how that plays a role in your metabolism and how important all this is and changing these adaptations. And a simple analogy that I like to give to people that I think they misunderstand is let's take two clients and let's say everything is exactly the same, okay? Same age, same everything, same goal. And we'll just use round numbers that are easy for people to follow because they're both 200-pound women, they both hire me and they say, Adam, I wanna get toned and lean, I wanna look ripped, I wanna lose body fat, I wanna drop 30 pounds of fat off of me and look lean and toned. So both, that's their goal. Both of them are eating when they meet me 1500 calories, let's say. And so one client, I say, okay, we're gonna do things the right way, I'm gonna help you out and our goal right now, I know you wanna lose weight, I know you wanna drop body fat but I actually wanna help you build a metabolism that's going to help you sustain this long term. So that client, I take off and I say, okay, for you, I'm gonna have you slowly increase your caloric intake, I'm gonna have you lift heavy ass weight and this is what we're gonna do for the next four weeks. At the end of that month, this client looks at me and she's 202 pounds. She's heavier than when she hired me four weeks ago. But on the flip side, she is consuming 2,400 calories a day now. Now you have the other client who tells me, Adam, I don't care what it takes, do whatever we need to do to lose this weight as fast as we possibly can, even if it goes against all your beliefs on how you wanna train and how you tell me I need, I don't give a shit about that, just let's lose this weight. And I say, okay, you're at 1500 calories right now, let's throw in some cardio, let's do lots of repetitions, light weight, let's cut your calories to about 1300 calories. Month goes by, I'm doing this with this lady, she has lost 12 pounds. She's down 12 pounds, she's eating 1300 calories. Now which one of those clients is happy with me and which one should be happy with me and in that scenario? Client A, who's actually gained two pounds, who's consuming 2,400 calories. So she gained weight, even though she hired me to lose weight, is in a much better position than the girl who's eating 1300 calories, doing all kinds of light repetitions and has lost 12 pounds. And that's because of what we've done for her metabolism and what's going on because- Yeah, let's fast forward six months a year, two years later and see the difference between the two of them. Yeah, and people don't understand that. They don't, what they see is the scale or they may think they're bigger- The immediate scale. Right, but they don't realize what's really going on with that body is you have built a much healthier metabolism and body that is going to look better down the road, because we took the right path. The other person who's ecstatic, because she's like, yeah, I'm almost halfway to my goal, but she's starving. She's eating 1300 calories, which is not sustainable for long-term and she's doing all kinds of high repetitions in cardio. That is not sustainable. That person's probably doing it. So understanding that while you're going through this process, I think it's so important. I think that's a lot of times why people stray away or are scared of the heavy weight in this process. Quick commercial break. Hey, people ask us all the time how they can support Mind Pump. Here's what you can do. You can go to www.brain.fm forward slash mind pump and get 20% off Brain FM for meditation or focus. You can also go to audibletrial.com forward slash mind pump and get a 30-day trial plus one free audio book. Lastly, you can go to getnatureblend.com forward slash mind pump and you will get a discount on Ben Greenfield's CBD product. Travis Hayden 14. What's the best way to work out when dealing with low testosterone? This is actually a good question because this is becoming more and more prevalent today with men. We've actually touched upon this in some previous episodes, some older episodes, but we've noticed a trend now in medicine where general testosterone levels in young men have been declining now since we've been testing them for the past four or five decades. So there's something going on and like a 30-year-old testosterone level now is significantly lower than what a 30-year-old would have tested in the 1970s, for example. Which we've speculated from, there's a lot of factors that complain. There's a lot of... From our food quality to the addiction to pornography and accessibility to it to... Well, it could be Xenoestrogens or chemicals that we now are exposed to that have estrogenic properties, lack of activity, changes in diet. So we're not quite sure what's causing this, but this is becoming more common. Now, one of the most effective things you could do to raise your testosterone levels to a healthy level is to train properly, lift weights properly. The reason why your body's testosterone levels usually, not always, but usually will go up or become optimized with weight training, with proper weight training, is because you are asking your body to adapt in a way that it requires more testosterone. So if you're lifting weights in a way that is really effective and your body's trying to build muscle, one of the first things it'll do, or what it'll do as it's trying to build muscle, is it'll raise its natural testosterone levels to raise that signal so that you can adapt better to whatever stimulus you're doing. Yeah, you have to create that environment for you to have to overcome that. So your hormone levels will adjust based off of what you're telling your body you need. And so that's part of the environment that you can control and you can contribute towards raising testosterone, whether it's also eating, what are you eating? What are you contributing towards your hormone levels and making that balanced and optimal? As far as resistance training is concerned, if you have low testosterone, your focus should be to maximize strength and muscle growth and nothing else. That being said, there's a fine line of overdoing it too, I believe. Oh, 100%, that's what I was gonna get into. So I think that's where some guys go wrong here is they've got these low testosterone levels, they hear somewhere that, hey, lifting weights is great for it and so in their heads they think more is better. And in this case, if you hammer the body, you're in a beast mode, no days off type of mentality. You'll lower your testosterone. You will most certainly lower it. It'll get worse. In fact, that's one of the signs of overtraining is lowered testosterone level. So depends on the individual, but I would typically recommend no joke, someone genuinely has lower testosterone. First off, if you're under the outside of the range that we get, and the range is pretty big by the way, but if you're outside that range, you should probably go see a doctor at number one. But if you're on the lower end of the range, so you're still considered normal, but it's low, I recommend, and I've worked with lots of people like this, I recommend two to three days a week of weight training and that's it, max. You're in the gym doing a full body routine, two to three days a week. Your focus is on the big compound lifts, squat, deadlift, overhead press, bench press, row, like all these big movements, and you're not training to failure because we're not trying to hammer the body too hard. You're stopping about a couple reps short. Your goal is to get stronger in the gym with these exercises and as you get stronger and as you build muscle, your testosterone levels should go up and you should feel good after each workout. You should not feel exhausted. As far as nutrition is concerned, you need to eat adequate fat, saturated fat, believe it or not in particular, is been connected to better testosterone levels. So has dietary cholesterol. So what do you think about this? This is something that I've recently kind of paid attention to more so than ever in my life and I find it very fascinating. And I know this is anecdotal, but I wanna hear what your thoughts are. Now, being somebody who controls their testosterone levels through synthetics, right? So I take testosterone injections and a normal testosterone dose for me is every 14 days or so, 250 milligrams testosterone. So about 125 milligrams a week of testosterone. And I have gone up and down, like when I was competing, I got as high as 500 milligrams in a week before. It was the highest I ever reached. And nothing impacted my sex drive more than my stress levels. I could, I would notice there'd be times I was on the lowest amount of dose of testosterone, but I had a really good balance of meditation and things were going really good with work. And Katrina and I maybe just traveled and had a trip and just I felt really, really good. And I could feel my sex drive. It would be through the roof. And then there'd be other times where I'm taking double the amount of testosterone synthetically, but my sex drive was in the crapper. And when I started to notice, I started to connect the dots, I started to realize, whoa, what I, what I realized was more of it had to do with my stress than actually the testosterone that I was taking. And I found that really fascinating. Do you think there's any weight to that? Oh, a hundred percent. Testosterone is just one, it's one signal that can signal your libido to increase. There's many signals. So like self-esteem or so body image. Like if you feel you look horrible, you have poor body image issues. That'll lower libido. That's actually quite common with women in particular. If they're not feeling sexy, they can have all the fucking hormones in the world that are beneficial for sex drive. They're just not gonna have a high libido. So there's lots and lots of factors that affect libido. And stress is just one of them. The right kind of stress will increase testosterone. Well, excuse me, will increase sex drive. So I'll give you an example of this. They've actually done studies on this. Where if they have a guy and a girl that are dating, if they encounter a dangerous situation, let's say they almost crash, or they get held at gunpoint and then they survive or whatever, sex drive goes to the roof immediately afterwards. This is why taking a girl to a scary movie. This is smart play. One of the reasons why that tends to be a smart play because that excitement and then the relief of safety actually triggers this horny effect, if you will. Pro tip right there. Next first day, pull a gun on your chick. Let's go skydiving. Oh my God. I'd all recommend it. You went that direction. Yeah, that's good. All right, I like that. Next question is from Johnny Dumbbells. Johnny Dumbbells. Hey, it's Johnny Dumbbells again. What are your thoughts on people like Dr. Oz? Like people like, huh? In quotations. I think that this is great. We just did a recently released a response to Joe Rogan's episode where he had some, what's, Cy Babe or whatever her name was, who was a chemist or scientist or I don't know who the fuck she was. But, you know, a lot of times people like this. Now, Dr. Oz is, he's an actual doctor. So he has his PhD, right? But what happens is you become like a super specialist in an area, right? Or in your field, whatever that may be. And I don't even know what Dr. Oz is. Do you know what his actual specialty is? He's a brain surgeon. He's a legit, I mean, very, very intelligent guy. He's an MD, he's not a PhD. But he has pedaled some serious bullshit. Well, this is what happens, right? So what ends up happening, and this is the, why I'm not a- The green coffee. The doctor name in front. Right away, we give all this like clout to that. Like, oh, they're doctors. So they must know. But I mean, you can be a doctor in one field and know very little about it. You can be very brilliant and you're very specialized in that one thing and then now, all of a sudden, you're broadcasting all this other information that I'm like, wait a minute. Whoa, I don't know that, you know, you're very versed in nutrition, for instance. Well, and that was the one that really helped me connect these dots. Cause I'll be the first to admit, I felt the same way too. Like, I figured, oh, this guy's a doctor. He must know this, especially if he's my medical doctor. He must know about food and what I should be eating and diet and things like that. And the more I encountered more of these MDs, I sort of- He's a cardiovascular surgeon. There you go. Oh, he's a cardiovascular surgeon. So when you know that, you know that he's hyper-specialized in that area, they don't have to do very much schooling at all for something like nutrition. So when you get someone like Dr. Oz, who I know puts out a lot of nutritional advice and information, you gotta be fucking careful. You're giving him, you're still giving him too much credit. It's not even, it's more than that. It's not even that he doesn't know because it's not a specialty. Oh, he knows what he's doing. He knows what he's doing. Here's what people need to understand. Having an education or a certification or letters after your name does not guarantee that someone's gonna have integrity at all. There you go. Some of the most dishonest fucking people you'll find in the world are some of the most educated, connected people ever. In fact, if you look at all of the economic crisis and wars and shit that we've done in mankind, they were all done by highly educated wizards with letters after their name. It doesn't mean he has integrity. Yes, he's a doctor. Profiteering off of predatory practices. Yeah, he's a doctor and what happens with Dr. Oz is because he's a doctor, and I'm sure he's a very, I mean, I know what he's done. He's a very intelligent doctor in his field. He's a brilliant man, but what he's doing now is he's using that to sell shit. Like I sell supplements that are fucking bullshit. And he got called out too. He went to court a couple of times and tried to, he tried to, he had to basically defend the fact that he had magic in his verbiage, even describing some of the supplements. Like he has this magic effect to it. Yeah, no. Explain to me the magic. No, I mean, it's fucking ridiculous. There's been investigations into some of his claims and some organizations have found like 46% of his claims are totally misleading or incorrect. So here's what I really hate. I actually hate people like him more than I hate the fitness professionals and the whatever, you know, snake oil salesmen that don't have a doctor before the name because they, because they're automatically, because it's easier to see if they're full of shit. But when someone like him who's got like this incredible education and pedigree, because the guy's, he's a wolf. He's a decorated, you know, doctor. And there's some doctors that like neurosurgeons and like very brilliant and then they'll come out and they'll say something that's totally false just to make their pockets fat. Well, we know how complex the body is. There's so many systems going on and there's people that are, we have doctors in all these specific systems because that's how complex the human body is. And there's still so much about the human body that we don't know. So you get somebody who understands a part of the human body on a level higher than, like 90% of the population. And so they can take advantage of a majority of the people that don't understand what they're saying. And when they present it in a way that sounds credible because they're using big words in terminology that sounds good, it's hard to be able to filter that out. People like Dr. Oz are a lot of what inspired Mind Pump. It really was because this is what is wrong with the health and fitness industry is it's full of charlatans like this that prey on the average consumer that doesn't know any better. And they don't know what to look for. They don't know what to listen for because they don't understand half the verbiage these guys are saying. And because they're credible, because they're on Oprah's show, because they're got a doctor in front of their name, they wanna believe that what they're saying is true. And in reality, it's a bunch of bullshit and it's hard to see that. And that's really what inspired us to do is just to be a filter for people, for guys like us. No, it's not like that for me personally, it's not that I disagree with everything he does. There's things that he says and does or he's giving out good information. It's just that with his pedigree and his background for him to peddle some of the shit that he peddles and says, it's really disheartening. It really pisses me off. I used to train a lot of doctors and if I brought up Dr. Oz, they would get very angry because he just, there's no integrity there. And it's, you know, he's an entertainer. Here's what you understand. The man is an entertainer first and a doctor second. How does he make his living? He makes his living entertaining people on a talk show and selling his supplements. He does not make a living being a doctor really anymore. So consider that, you know, of course if someone has an education that's probably a good starting point, but it does not guarantee that they have integrity that they're not gonna lie to you. There's another doctor in our industry that we've talked and shit about many times. I'm not gonna bring his name up anymore, but also horrible claims and he likes to say, well, I'm a doctor and that's why, you know, what I'm doing, that doesn't mean you fucking tell the truth, dude. Doesn't mean you're not trying to, you know, rip people off. Well, and I feel like the bigger and the more famous they are, the more likely they are. You know what's funny? They actually have now studies to confirm that. Did you know that there's actual, so here's, this is what's cool now. I've been reading this book by, God, what's his name? Michio, Michio, what's his name? Kaku or something? I can't remember how to pronounce his name. I think I said his name right. Theoretical Physicist and he wrote this book and I'm reading about all these studies. And the last like 15 years, we've learned more about the brain and how it works than in the previous, you know, 500 years because of MRI technology and stuff like that. The finding is power. You know, you guys know the term that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts, absolutely. They're finding that when people have power, it actually changes the structure of their brain and how their brain operates. That it truly does corrupt people. So when you've got these, you know, you've got this doctor, you've got this politician who starts in this particular area or field and they're doing things with integrity and the bigger they get and the more power they get, unless they actively check it, unless they actively have people around them that's whose goal and job is to keep them, keep their integrity, they actually change and start to view things a little differently. And that's probably what happens to people like Dr. Oz, who was a decorated, you know, doctor and now was selling bullshit. And I'm sure if you, you know, you found Dr. Oz, you know, 20 years ago and introduced him to himself now, he'd be saying the same thing. Oh, for sure. It's very, very interesting. But you're right, like the more like celebrities, celebrities live in this vacuum and say this bullshit and you can't believe that anybody could actually believe in that kind of stuff. And no, they do, they actually believe in them. You know, what they're saying is true. So it's pretty crazy. Quick commercial break, you guys. We keep getting asked all the time, how can I support the Mind Pump family? Here's one of the best ways you guys can. You guys love that Chimera coffee that we have. Chimera coffee with a K, you go to chimeracoffee.com put in the discount code Mind Pump for 10% at the checkout. Also, if you guys want to know how I have this luxurious beard and you want one too, go to bigtopbeardcompany.com, put in the discount Mind Pump again, but this time for 33% off. Also, you guys, if you guys have not tried Ben Greenfield's new bars out, they're fantastic. If you want some, go to bengreedfieldfitness.com forward slash nature bite, put in the code Mind Pump and get 10% off. Go check it out. Pablo Su is asking, do Adam and Sal ever resent Justin for not prioritizing his physique, considering the nature of the industry? Our industry. This is the one that you want to read first. Yes. No, I don't. Yeah, you guys respond. I resent the fuck out of him all the time. All the time. I give Justin shit all the time. Here's the deal with the beauty of Mind Pump is that, and I like that we are so different. We couldn't be more different, all three of us. Yet, there's a lot of things that we see wrong with the fitness industry that we can come together and discuss. And to be honest, to me, this show would not be as successful as it is if all three of us were like each other and had similar views and ideologies and everything because there's going to be a, and in case this person doesn't know this already, I'll share with you right now that when we do pulse checks on our audience, who the favorite host is, fucking Justin wins every goddamn time. So from a business standpoint, and when you look at it like that, Justin being Justin, who he is, is better for our business than it would be for me to try and mold him into being more like me or more like Sal. Well, the question, I mean, part of it is based in some truth, right? In the fact that the industry that we're in fitness, it sells to look a particular way, right? That's a big selling point. And it's very hard to get people to listen to what you have to say if you don't look a particular way. And this is why you have people like the guy, I don't even know what his name is, Athelene X or whatever his name is. The guy's got a huge following on YouTube. He's a legit physical therapist and a lot of the stuff he teaches, he's very, very good. But he teaches every video with a shirt off. Every single video, dude has a shirt off and he's ripped. Why does he do that? Can he teach what he's teaching without being ripped, without a shirt being off? Of course, but the reason why he does it is our industry has, you know, people tend to not want to listen to you. Well, it's the same reason why I competed. It's the only reason why I competed. I didn't have this like burning desire to get on stage in a fucking, in a bathing suit. I never, I hated that. But I also recognized and knew that didn't matter how much knowledge I had, didn't matter how many people's, how many lives I'd changed before that, people want to see that you can do that. And it does, and that's what sucks about the industry is that's true. So I get that. And maybe if it was, if Justin was all by himself, this would be a different scenario, but that's the beauty of there being three of us is we have that ability that we don't have to confirm. Yeah, there's a certain, of course there's a certain level of, you know, fitness that your body will reflect because you're living, you know, what you're preaching, but the difference, there's a pretty wide range of what that can look like. So, you know, Adam competed. And so there's times when Adam diets down to the shredded, shredded level, which actually doesn't even represent his health because his health, people would look at him when he's his most lean and say, oh, he's so healthy and fit. And when in reality, that's probably when he's not, when he's his least healthy and fit because he's so extreme, right? I've gotten shredded to that point as well. I tend to walk around a little leaner because that's the way my body tends to represent, you know, my lifestyle. You can also be heavier and have that same representation. I've worked with, you know, what it reminds me of, I was, you know, I was a big MMA fan back in the day. I used to love. Fedor. Yeah, I used to love watching Fedor and Meal and Anko fight because he was, he wasn't like overweight or anything. He wasn't this big fat guy. But he's kind of, you know, chubby compared to like some of his shredded, you know, broided out opponents and then they fight and he beat the shit out of them. And it was always great to watch because it doesn't, it doesn't tell the whole story. So there's no, there's no resentment whatsoever for anything, which is hilarious. All right, yeah. Yeah, I'm glad you guys addressed that. Yeah. That's important. Do you have anything you wanna add to that, Justin? I don't know, man. Like to be honest, I feel like this question is like part of the problem of our industry. And you know, for me personally, I had mentioned this like a long time ago on the show. It's like, I don't have any like desire to walk around shredded and, you know, less than 10% or put in the kind of work I know in the discipline that it takes to constantly look at myself, be, you know, critical of that and, you know, put in those practices in place and like that's gonna consume my entire lifestyle. And, you know, for me, of course my wife's calling me right this second, you know, to check up on me. You know, for me, it's like, I just, I honestly like going through working out, it was all for what I could do and you know, how much strength I could produce and what kind of movements that would create on the field. And you know, my body would be a reflection of that as a result of that. And I feel like, you know, this culture is like, this culture of vanity and this culture of over exaggerating the six-pack abs and eight-pack abs and all these things like that's the definition of health and that's like completely off and we're all missing, you know, we're missing the mark with that when that's our entire pursuit of health, wellness and fitness. And so for me, I'm completely like repelled to being a douchebag. And I'm not gonna, you know, you guys are the exception to, you know, incorporating health, wellness and like the mindset of like improving yourself. Like for me, like I have always thought of that being the fucking douchebag and I have not hung out with anybody like that that hasn't been completely self-centered and fucking annoying to be around. I'm sorry, dude, but you looking like at yourself constantly in front of a mirror and constantly checking yourself like a fucking girl all day long to see if you have like your abs showing and this and that, I'm not interested in that shit. Don't bring that to me, dude. Like you're trying to tell me that that is a representation of fitness. You can fuck yourself. I don't want any of that. They probably do. You knowing that Justin, do you ever battle though with that knowing like because the industry is that way we all know that cause we discussed this openly like how out because that was a struggle for me was like, I didn't really want to compete. I didn't really want to do any of that stuff. I felt compelled and at that time it was when you and I were gonna do the app together and I thought like, I need to get out there. And I feel like, you know, I hate to, I don't want to be the guy who is I've gone back and forth and I've tried to hustle and like be like, I could make my physique and my muscles pop and this and that and like go through this program where I'm like in a shred down and cut down and I did all that and I tried to look the best that I could look and go through the hustle of that but I'm just not interested in starving myself. I'm not interested in being fucking narcissistic and walking around through life being obsessed and being obsessed is literally what it takes to constantly be like that. If you have a healthy obsession and you're doing it and you're benefiting your body with nutrients and you're always like checking your health then that's maybe a bonus to it but otherwise honestly, you can't really make an argument to me that says otherwise. Well, I think it depends on the person, right? I don't obsess about nutrition. It's not something I obsess about. That's the way my body, it reflects it just by the way. Well, you have an actual condition that you have to be careful about what you're eating because it upsets, you know, IBS. Like it upsets the culture of your stomach. Yeah, and that's part of it. I mean, that's my point. Like you can live a very healthy life and you're gonna look healthy and now healthy can look different from person to person on some people it looks leaner on other people it looks not as lean but health doesn't look like one particular thing. We've just attached the aesthetic to that but let me ask you this, Justin, do you think is part of you? Cause you're such a, you're one of the, we're all the same way. Somebody fucking hammers us enough and tells us to do something enough we will definitely not do it. Revolt, right? On purpose, right? Yeah, I'll get fatter now as a result. I'm gonna bulk the fuck up and get fat and be like, I'm still awesome. You know what I mean? I'm not even fat now and I'm getting this kind of shit, you know, like fine. Watch when I'm a sumo. Yeah, watch what I do then. You did the opposite. Yeah, I just, it's just so funny. It's so typical to me, dude. Like, I just want to, I just want to like be a megaphone for like there's, this is such a little small community which seems really big, but like if you ask anybody that's involved in sports or like movement or a concerned with like joint health or any of that and you ask them like, who's your favorite bodybuilder? Or who the fuck Joey Schwoll is? Who the fuck is that? Who cares? He doesn't know anything. You know what I mean? Like who the fuck cares about this guy who might have abs? Like they're not benefiting my life. And you know, I might sound like an asshole coming out here and like, you know, cause I appreciate it. I appreciate what it takes for people to do it as a sport, you know? And like that's your pursuit. But look at your lifestyle. Look at the people around you. Are they fucking happy hanging out with you? No way, dude. No way. I won't fucking hang out with you. You're annoying. Yeah, that's a good point. From a business standpoint, to be honest with you, it doesn't, I mean, having three dudes that all look the same is actually less effective, I would say. No, it is less effective. And this is, this is not the first time I've addressed this question. I mean, people have asked me this privately before and I don't even bring it to Justin's attention because I don't think it's worth discussing because I'm like, I won. And I think part of the reason why we are even allowing him to vent right now because I feel like I think it's time I've had enough people that have asked me before that it's like, you know what, Justin hasn't vocalized this before. And I feel like I wouldn't want him to be like me no more than I would want myself to be like Sal and vice versa. I mean, that's what makes Mind Pump so special is that everybody brings a different perspective to the table and there's going to be a large amount of people especially when you're talking about tens of thousands or in our case a million downloads or doing a million downloads a month. So there's a fucking lot of people listening and you better fucking believe I'm very well aware that in all those downloads there's thousands of people who don't fucking like me and then think that I'm a douchebag because I fucking compete and get on stage and I'm bulking up right now and then I get shredded and I have to take fucking underwear pictures. I am 100% aware that there's plenty of people that don't fucking like me. The fact that we have polarizing personalities is better for the business, is better for listeners because there's going to be certain people that are going to appeal to each one of us individually and connect to our personalities and our thought process. And that's just my personality. My personality is like that's expected, right? That's expected for you to be this person this archetype of fitness has to be super shredded constantly and I get that and I get that's people's perceptions but I don't give a fuck and that's my personality. Well the hard part and I kind of feel this is the tough part. I just recently went through this whole mobility journey and part of that for me was I was going to let go of the vanity part, let go of the look at me, look how ripped I am and the macro counting and all that stuff which is a big part of my personality and character on this show. But I knew what my body needed and I knew what I needed to do for my own personal journey and I didn't give a fuck what everybody else thought but it kind of sucks because I know I lost a lot of traction and attention on my social media platforms when I was doing that. It didn't appeal to a lot of people and now that I'm back onto my macro counting and getting buffed and shredded and now all of a sudden I see all this attention on my Instastory and everything's up way more than what it was before. So it's tough, it's tough being in our position when it comes to things like that. Doing what we want to do for our personal journeys and health and fitness and what makes us happy versus okay always having to take into consideration that we're being watched by thousands of people and we're influencing others and thinking about that. It's definitely, there's definitely a challenge there for sure. Well one thing, just don't ever feel sorry for any of us. You know what I mean? Like God damn it, like seriously, like don't do that. Like cause like I'm so confident and I'm so happy with where I'm at and like don't look at that as like something like, oh God, you know, you look good, like fuck off. Like I'm so great right now. You know, like this question's hilarious to me. Like I'm a problem with this or something. You know, like did. I'll tell you what, you know, the message has been and we talk a lot about, you know, different people's goals and how to get there and you know, what the proper method with nutrition and exercises and especially when the goals get specific. But at the end of the day, the general theme is that if you are, if you live a healthy life which is true for you, which with healthy intentions where it's not about the goal, it's about the process where every day it's decisions that are made that feed your body properly, that help your body move properly, everything from building strength to building endurance but also just feeling good, your mental state, your spiritual state. If you do all of those things, your body will have a physical representation that represents what that health looks like for you and that to the average person is very attractive but it doesn't always, it doesn't look the same from person to person, you need to understand that. And so some people are gonna look some way and other people are gonna look another way but the way it's gonna look when you're really living that healthy lifestyle is vibrant. It's the most attractive way that you'll look to most people and of course there's people out there who like the extremes and I get that too but it's all about health and nothing is sexier than being healthy and that's really what it's all about. It's not about a six pack. Six packs on some people shows up when they're optimal health. On other people it doesn't and it doesn't fucking matter so those of you listening who tend to freak out and say I need to get super you know and I don't know what I'm doing wrong and I've had female clients who were built like weight lifters who would fret because they didn't look like the bikini girl on stage and it's like your body's built differently but we can make you healthy and I promise that that will be the best representation of you. You're gonna look the best as a result but that shouldn't be the goal. The goal is not that. The goal is the process. So I guess that's the underlying message. Check it out. If you wanna ask us a question that we can answer on an episode like this one, the place to do it is on Instagram. The page is Mind Pump Media. We all have personal pages. Mine is Mind Pump Sal. Justin is Mind Pump Justin. Adam is Mind Pump Adam. Doug is Mind Pump Doug. And also go to YouTube and subscribe to Mind Pump TV. 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