 We're going to get going Y'all said good Welcome everyone to the town of Williston's Development Review Board for Tuesday, August 28 2018. We're going to bring the meeting to order at 706 Three items on the public hearing a public hearing agenda, and then there is a There's another some correspondence that we're going to go through later on First up tonight is DP 11 dash 23.3 the Isham family farm Come on up Isham's have a seat at the table Mike I shum will kill road Williston say that again and your address Like I shum will kill road 3515 in Williston. Perfect Matt Emily Emily Emily's it So this is DP 11 dash 23.3 a Request to relocate and reduce the parking area Construct a new access drive from Fieldstone Drive and modify the existing access from Oak Hill Road at the Isham Farm at 3515 Oak Hill Road in the ARZD. There's also a master sign plan and we'll address that separately This property is currently developed as an operational farm With retail sales of farm and forest products and historic barn used as a banquet facility The project history, this is the third amendment to DP 11 dash 23 In April 2016 the DRB approved an amendment to allow the barn to be used as a banquet facility in March 2014 the DRB approved The first amendment to allow for an expansion of a gravel parking area adjacent to the sugar house and berry farm and then the original Permit was in August 2011 to establish an indoor farmers market in the restored barn and the parking area adjacent to it For the use on the property The applicant is maintaining the existing agricultural and banquet facility uses they are allowed in this zoning district and The bylaw chapter 31 point 12 point 5 allows that historic barns listed on the state or national register Can be used as banquet facilities with the DRB approval This barn is listed on the state and national registers and those numbers are available in the staff report The applicant is proposing changes to the access in three locations a new access drive from Fieldstone Drive Widening the access on Oak Hill Road north of the barn and removing the forked access south of the barn The applicant is not proposing changes to the southerly driveway used primarily as access to the house and accessory structures Two of the existing four curb cuts on Oak Hill Road will be removed detail The access from Fieldstone Drive Will allow guest vehicles to circulate through the parking area by ex entering from Oak Hill Road and exiting north onto Fieldstone Drive The driveway will be gravel for 60 feet from the curb cut then it will transition to grass a Culvert will be installed For the access point north of the barn the driveway will be widened to 18 feet for 2a access The existing culvert will be removed a new culvert installed Fences will line each side of the driveway and angle outward not to a standard fear with vision triangles Visitors will not be prohibited from exiting directly on to Oak Hill Road from this driveway For the access south of the barn the two curb cuts will be removed the gravel replaced with turf a Role of boulders will be used to close off the area to vehicles and boulders in the public right of way will be moved on to the property Some of the gravel driveway directly adjacent to the southeastern corner of the barn will remain as a walkway about five feet and with The applicant is also proposing changes to the parking area it will remain unpaved and unstriped It's a grass area It is located outside the 50-foot front yard setbacks from both Oak Hill Road and Fieldstone Drive a Large portion of the existing 76 space parking area is located within the wetland buffer and about four to five spaces are located within the class 2 wetland itself The applicant proposes to relocate the parking area outside the wetland buffer and reduce the parking area to 44 spaces It is important for the board to consider the amount of parking provided Chapter 14 sets the requirements for off-street parking The proposed 44 spaces will meet the parking requirement for a gathering place with 175 seats The applicant represented that the space would be capped at 175 people when the banquet facility was approved by the DRB And it is advertised as such on the Irish and farm website Based on table 14 point a three bicycle parking spaces would be required The board must decide on the bicycle parking requirements as allowed by WDB chapter 14 The board can decide to reduce the amount of bicycle parking Where the location or nature of the proposed development makes the use of bicycles highly unlikely? The Applicant has not identified accessible parking with a 44 space parking lot a minimum of two spaces must be accessible The bylaw also states that no accessible spaces are required where valet parking is provided However, an accessible loading zone is required Staff recommends that final plans identify accessible spaces and or a loading zone adjacent to the barn signage for accessible parking is discussed in the master sign plan staff report and The accessible parking should comply with the bylaw as below Furthermore the applicant has not provided a landscaping plan Landscaping should be adequate so visitors can differentiate the grass driveway and grass parking area From the wetlands community garden and all other areas not designated for driving or parking The wetland buffer should be physically delineated to keep vehicles out of the wetland Staff recommends a combination of large boulders and landscaping along the access drive in wetland buffer from Fieldstone Drive To the existing greenhouse south of the parking area Conditions are drafted below The applicant has identified a class 2 wetland And they're proposing to remove that parking area from the wetland There are no changes to traffic intensity expected They are addressing storm water by installing culverts Overall the applicant is not proposing outdoor storage new structures outdoor lighting The police department and fire department did not respond to a request for comments The Department of Public Works responded that they had no comments However, the applicant had talked to Bruce whore prior to submitting the application to talk about the curb cuts The conservation Commission reviewed the application on August 15th 2018 and approved the recommendation That the wetland buffer must be physically delineated to keep vehicles out of the wetland reiterating the staff recommendation Staff recommends an approval of this discretionary permit with the findings of facts conclusions of law and conditions of approval listed as below Great. Thanks gentlemen What would you like to add? Not at the moment. Okay Our board Questions Paul first question The gravel that is behind the barn is going away entirely Good, okay. Now that's where handicap parking and all that'll be Okay, that's all you know and the other thing is that means that the fire ever apparatus can get right in where the old gravel lot is, right? Okay, that's all I need You have a handicap spaces delineated signed Have you shown those on the plan? No, I don't I mean I don't see anything, but I've been known to this It's not That's because the gravel behind the barn isn't even lying. So it's sort of doesn't it's not listed Fieldstone that's a fieldstone town road now. Yes No special you know special permit to access fieldstone No, we did talk to Bruce about it Whether our driveway would be far enough away He was happy with it the culvert unfortunately because of where the Utilities were installed in the construction of fieldstone the driveway culvert off of fieldstone has to actually be on the Isham property It's a it's a dry And then in that new culvert where the driveway is going to be is going to be enough to Keep the have the water go over to where the ditch is cut versus staying Correct At least that's the plan right now Okay, it's a dry ditch. There's no water. There's no water there. Well, we go one of those big rains Okay, that's on you know Questions from the audience You guys are getting off easy All right, we are going to close that portion of the hearing for the parking and access and we're going to It's all the same here. We're going to move on to master sign plan Emily. I assume that's you as well Okay So this is a master sign plan for the Isham farm at 3515 Oak Hill Road The applicant is proposing to add new and directional and freestanding signage in addition to the existing signage and public art Which is only allowable by the bylaw chapter 25 through the approval of a master sign plan in This case a master sign plan is required because the applicant is proposing a greater number of freestanding signs than the one allowed By WDB 25 point a which can only be approved if the DRB approves a master sign plan with the findings In accordance with the Williston as they relate to science The applicant is proposing public art which the board must determine is not signage For calculating the maximum allowable potential signage In this zoning district that is 5% staff agrees with the applicants calculation of 2,121 square feet for the area of the building Street-facing area of the building Which would allow for a maximum potential area of 106 square feet. The applicant is proposing 46 square feet Sign types not proposed the applicant is not proposing window awning projected suspended while our portable slash sandwich signs No illumination is proposed What follows is a table of the applicant's proposed signage. We're recommending Adding sign D5 for a handicap accessible sign when people Enter the area they know which way to go And merging signs FS1 a and B because they sit share the same Stand in the ground They share same mounting structure The board should consider if two freestanding signs with the total combined area of above 16 square feet are Approvable with special findings as drafted below And public art the applicant has identified two murals on the barn facing Oak Hill Road Wdb 25 point 11 does not regulate public art But requires that it be distinct from signage and must be shown on permits to ensure that it does not constitute a hazard to driver cyclists or pedestrians The murals are pastoral nature and flush against the building and meet the requirements Special findings the applicant has proposed two freestanding signs totaling 24 square feet This can be permitted, but only if the DRB is willing to make specific findings that these signs are consistent The Williston comprehensive plan and the intent of WDB chapter 25 We have drafted those findings below Thank you Your turn again Okay, we're in good shape. You're in good shape question from the board Paul Gonna be adding not identified here. You're gonna be adding the handicapped parking signs, right? Those will be on the back. That's right. Yes, you're gonna be adding now And is that is that and is that entrance sign big enough just curious? It's the one that's there now Yeah, I mean do you need a little bigger one when you win? Oh, thanks, okay. Just checking That's gonna say, you know, if you were one stop shop Yeah, I mean if you're you want a bigger one now's the time to answer one You're eliminating entrance off of the main road You're relocating it essentially. Yes. Why wouldn't you just relocate the sign that you already have to the new entrance? What's the purpose of the existing sign where there's no entrance? Existing sign is is mainly just saying This is the Asian family farm two businesses One's a farm and one's the other thing Yeah, I just I just trying to figure out why we need to have a special approval of another sign when there's one there already and We're not really changing the purpose of the site or the use of the site So why not just make do with the sign you have I don't see the advantage for the second sign other than putting in another sign X number of feet away from the existing one almost the same size and Pretty much saying the same thing Bottom line. We were told we needed it. That's a different question If you're gonna put the sign in you need a master sign plan, right? My question is why you need to sign We want the signs at the new driveway to direct people. That's where they go to park for a function The other one is more of a I some family farm sign which just breaks about the farm That's you know what you could do hang a sign under the isham farm sign that says public entrance ahead Yeah You would have already driven by it if you were if you're coming from the other direction I Think what you're doing makes sense I keep people from driving into the private entrance to the house Well, then put then say put private on that one hang it under there. I do need to do something on that There's a good suggestion That you have road spikes Other questions on the board any questions from the audience No questions from the audience Alright Thank you for coming We're going to close those DP 11-3 0.3 modification of a parking area for Isha family farm and the master sign plan at 724 okay Next up is next up is DP 18-04 Village Associates And I'm going to recuse myself P. Kelly is going to run the Hearing and I'm recusing myself because I have a financial interest in the area Brecker Bowsky with Village Associates at 32 Seymour Street Welcome Matt I assume this one's yours. Yes, it is Alright, this is an application for a discretionary permit to construct a 31 unit three-story Apartment building at 55 to 59 day lane In the half corners zoning district this proposed residential development will add 15.5 dwelling unit equivalents to the site The listen development bylaw defines one dwelling unit equivalent as any unit containing two or more bedrooms One bedroom or a studio unit is defined as one half of a dwelling unit equivalent in this case The applicants proposing 15 point five total dwelling unit equivalents in the form of zero apartments with two or more bedrooms and 31 apartments with one or fewer bedrooms. So these are all Below the two-bedroom limit to be counted as a whole dwelling unit The property is currently developed with a building containing Office and sort of retail commercial uses the subject parcels part of Mansfield Park Which is a commercial development including several adjacent parcels and buildings Developed in a fairly similar pattern as this parcel is today sort of single-story Multi-purpose commercial buildings with adjacent surface parking lots The DRB did review this project as a pre application back on September 26th of 2017 Made a few recommendations related to addressing public works comments and needing to obtain growth management allocation at that time Growth management review did occur in March of 2018 and in the staff report I've recited the applicants Representations and the score received by the project which was a total of 31 points where 30 is the minimum necessary to gain allocation The RB awarded points to this project for energy efficiency for offering a housing choice and Or building some minor sidewalk connections and design for context there were no points awarded for affordable housing neighborhood space or Open space in this case Those are for Offering those items above and beyond any baseline requirements of the by-law There is a there is a neighborhood space requirement in this district that the applicant Is proposing to meet with an urban park and I'll go into that in a minute But the project did receive allocation So something we're doing a little different with this staff report when you turn the page is the recitation of all of the by-law Requirements has been labeled findings of fact by the staff because that's what this really is This is the facts of what the applicant is proposing and so rather than go through all of this and then recite it again in a List form. We're just calling this the findings of fact. So you may notice that difference here So we're viewing those findings the proposed use here is residential Residential is and allowed use in the taff corner zoning district per the terms of the chapter 41 of the by-law, which is the chapter that governs that district. There is a new structure proposed It's essentially on the footprint spanning two existing foundations those foundations were poured many years ago for the purpose of a Arguably probably a single-story commercial building that is no longer planned to be constructed The the footprint would be roughly the same for this building. It would not be re-utilizing those foundations given their age There's other new site work besides the envelope of the building required This is primarily to establish or re-establish sidewalk connections around the building to connect the urban park area and outdoor picnic area And to address a few parking issues on the site as well as Striping and formalizing the street parking along day lane to the west of the site There is no subdivision or boundary line adjustment. No platting changes proposed as part of this application In terms of residential density I went over prior to this the dwelling unit equivalent and have provided in the staff report a recitation of The maximum allowable dwelling units We're in the taft corner zoning district where a minimum density for residential projects of five dwelling units per acre is required Where the typical net density allowed by right is 7.5 dwelling units per acre And where an increased density of 15 dwelling units per acre is permissible if there's a transfer of development rights And again, those are all dwelling units meaning dwelling unit equivalents 7.5 on 2.07 acres comes out to a maximum allowed 15.5 to Dwelling unit equivalents if all of those dwelling unit equivalents are one bedroom or studios that means 31 apartments Which is what the applicant is proposing. It's the maximum density allowed for this parcel when built in this form There is one dwelling unit equivalent understood to exist by right on this parcel because it doesn't currently have any residential use The other 14.5 are what the applicant needed to obtain through growth management to go forward with the project in which the applicant did obtain There is a little bit of outdoor lighting proposed in conjunction with this project Essentially wall pack lighting on the building itself and a few illuminated ballards along the pedestrian ways that are proposed The lighting levels come in Under the town's thresholds for this zoning district There's no light trespass off the parcel identified by the applicant And lighting is downward facing and fully shielded in compliance with the bylaw. There is no up lighting proposed that would be Not allowed by the bylaw In terms of setbacks and landscaping the applicant has provided a landscape plan sheet l 100 There are a number of public ways adjacent to the street day lane and night lane As well as some of the common land for the chelsea community association the chelsea commons condominiums adjacent and stormwater pond for them And I said Bike path, but I should have said gasses and I'm not sure why I bothered saying anything because neither of those matter when it comes to Determining your landscaping. What does matter is the use? So this is residential and next to a public way and residential next to other residential There's a number of potential buffers that are allowed by the bylaw when you are residential to residential When you're residential to a street, you are generally required to provide a street tree section as is already existing on day lane And as is I proposed some low plantings along night lane the board may want to look at just how tight the building is there to I'm sorry. There are large trees on night lane. I'm looking at the access drive my apologies So on residential to residential there is some existing planting On the subject parcel, there's a small amount of planting on the chelsea parcel adjacent There's more planting in a berm But the bylaw is essentially blind to what's happening off property So staff recommends a type 2 or type 3 buffer It says type 2 or type 2, but it should say type 2 or type 3 adjacent to the chelsea common side of the project On the subject parcel to meet the bylaw requirements there We also do have parking lot landscaping requirements primarily that there be landscaped islands within the parking lot We do have those islands in the existing parking lot and they are Planted with deciduous trees providing shade of a minimum of 5 of the parking lot in compliance with the bylaw I already went over the street trees. There is no outdoor storage proposed on this site. There are no weapons on this site The access to the subject parcel is for vehicles not proposed to be changed There are some added sidewalks around the building for pedestrian And bicycle access as well as some entry stairs into the building off of the day lane Sidewalk to get into the lower level presumably where storage would happen and There was a comment from public works related to the stairway coming down from day lane That requested the applicant reorient that The applicant has prepared a draft plan showing that staircase reoriented, which is at the back of the packet that we mailed out to the board While i'm on that i'll just mention that in the course of the fire department review They wanted to see some of the surface on the other side of the building facing the parking lot Hardened up to provide vehicle access with installation of grass pave And those added plans also address the addition of the grass pave on that side of the building In terms of traffic generation 31 units in a multi-use building are expected to generate 19 pm peak hour trips That's 19 vehicle trips at the driveway during the busiest hour between 4 and 6 pm monday through friday The zoning administrator meaning me for the time being will issue a traffic impact fee assessment as part of the permitting process Should the project move forward? I actually get to make that decision sitting in the back office all by myself, but the study justifies 19 trips And i'm generally not inclined to to make it up where the it has come up with a number This will increase overall trips on this site from 36 to 55 pm peak hour trips But you may remember there's a foundation here. There was a proposed Commercial building on the site that building was actually at the time of permitting of manchill park expected to generate A total yield on this site of 59 trips So the residential build out would actually represent a reduction in vehicle trips from what was originally Anticipated when this was thought it was going to be all commercial So then we move on to parking Parking in Williston's chapter 14 is generally expressed as both the minimum and a maximum And with that number that the applicant arrives at able to be reduced through a couple of methods in this case Possibly via shared parking study, which the applicant was asked to submit as part of pre-application and has made part of their application So I will go through parking We have 31 multifamily residential units And our bylaw anticipates that those will generate one and three quarter parking spaces demand per unit so That comes out to 54 and one quarter or rounded up to 55 parking spaces demand generated by the new development on the site Across all of mansfield park, which is the Calculation the applicant has chosen to submit based on the idea of a shared parking study The commercial development on the site generates a demand of 144.9 parking spaces That's assuming general office for the entire commercial development There's a variety of uses in there Some generate a little more parking than an office some generate a little bit less But that's the calculation we're working from So if you add the 54 to the 144 rounding up you get a demand in total of 200 spaces The applicant is proposing across this entire site a total of 177 spaces. So it's less than 200 The applicant has submitted a shared parking analysis, which looks at the peak hours of demand of the various uses on the site and Tries to assess whether some of those parking spaces can serve both uses because the peak hours of demand are different That study justifies Meeting parking demand with 192 spaces the applicant In addition to the 177 on-site spaces the applicant is proposing to strike 17 spaces on day lane Essentially providing street parking That's um a public street parking is allowed on public streets Wherever it's not signed against it the proposed striping of those spaces has been run by public works as part of their review of the plans And our bylaw does allow in chapter 14 an applicant to offset on-site parking demand With street parking as long as it's within 600 feet of a major entrance of the building These parking spaces are on day lane all within 600 feet of the major entrance of the building You can park there today, but the street's not striped I went out and observed the site a couple times. I generally would see one or two vehicles parallel parked along day lane Most of the vehicles for this site parked in the lot But you could park there today fine and just legally But if you just sort of drove up on the street, you wouldn't necessarily see the striping and no offhand So for us to count it in chapter 14, I think at a minimum it has to be striped so that it's identified as And I will note that williston in terms of dealing with snow emergencies. We have a relatively simple winter parking ban that disallows overnight parking on the street Those would be times of year when those street spaces would not be available So there is you know some time of year where what would be available would be those 177 spaces Where the shared parking study allows for 192 Again, the town's bylaw does allow for that offset and for the drb to review projects in that way So those spaces would would not be available During a snow emergency only They're not available overnight during the winter So williston's winter parking ban isn't like burlington or windewski where the lights come on during the snow emergency. It's it's um I think it's december 1 to april 1 Midnight to 7am or something fairly similar to that So that's correct So there are some other things that come out of a parking demand calculation That includes the required ada spaces six required six proposed by the applicant Required outdoor bicycle spaces 16 required the applicants proposing 10 on this site There may be some bike parking on the rest of the site. I'm not sure but We're fairly close to the site wide requirement for mansfield by putting 10 next to this building The drb should think about whether they want to see something on final plans related to bike parking in the remainder of mansfield park so that's a thought Long-term bicycle spaces 75 percent of required again if we look at all of mansfield park That's 11 long-term storage spaces required the applicants proposing six Complies for the new residential but not the overall mansfield park So under the compliance summary discussion in the staff report I've just sort of stated mansfield park was approved under the pre 2009 zoning ordinance, which did not address bicycle parking the same way today's rules do That said this is an amendment to that overall site You know the overall site is being looked at for parking the drb should discuss how it would like to apply those parking requirements to the site I've made some notes there about acceptable versus unacceptable types of bicycle rack based on The rules that the bylaw has for safe locking of bicycles In terms of signage, uh, there's no newer changes to existing signage proposed as part of this application The fire department always does ask for building entrance labeling and things like that Stormwater treatment will be provided by the existing detention basin on the site That was part of the original approval for mansfield park and did anticipate a building an impervious surface In this location, uh, the applicant has stated that that will be sufficient The applicant is proposing to connect to municipal water service and has obtained sewer allocation from the town for wastewater treatment The public works department will assess connection fees Uh, when that comes through The applicant has shown all of the required utilities There are snow storage areas shown on the site off the side of the parking lot not in conflict with Parking spaces not in conflict with dumpsters or anything else on the site that we could see There are trash and recycling containers shown on the site. There's an existing Concrete pad appears to be currently unenclosed and and not in use We would recommend that that concrete pad be screened in compliance with the bylaw For it to go into use and for that to be shown on the final plan This project is also within the town's design review district and was reviewed for its compliance with the design review requirements In particular the historic and architectural advisory committee had some comments about the scale and coloring of the building And considered the building In relationship to both the chelsea project where all of the units, uh Are essentially the same color Similar design and the hamlet project to the other side where the units are all fairly different colors The different houses are different colors And in looking at the coloring the recommendation made the applicant following the pre-app coloring of the building Which was fairly vivid was to tone it down a little bit but not have it be all one color Like the chelsea building. So the applicant did submit a revised plan showing a different elevation That's are showing a different coloring of the elevation. So you see A reddish a bluish And sort of a gray-green color as well as a light gray color proposed for the building at this time the Roof line of the building is relatively flat But there is a little bit of articulation there and I'll go into roof line when I get into the taft corners requirements in a minute So in addition to being in the design review district and the requirements that come out of there This is also in the taft corner zoning district, which comes with some of its own requirements Pedestrian connections are required. You'll see the building has sidewalk on four sides With hardened sidewalks leading to the building entrances the building is The new buildings are to be brought to the sidewalk when they're adjacent to a sidewalk or street in this district This building is being pulled up to the corner of night and day lane There are no dead walls permitted walls have to have articulation and windows and doors in them All of the walls of this building do have those things And then it says apparent building mass must be broken up using clearly Demarked doors and windows including display windows variations in building footprint and architectural detailing So you can see some of that on the elevation and you can see some articulation in the proposed building footprint as well Building facades must feature a clearly defined foundation or base a clearly distinguished top Which may be a parapet or cornice must be architectural not just paint And or preferably a sloping roof fairly defined sign band or other set locations for signs And that that along with the display window discussion are really for commercial buildings Use of inferior materials for the sides or rear walls of the building is not permitted I understand that the same materials are proposed on all four sides of this And I should I'll get into the sloping roof thing We have we have a number of Statements here in the bylaw sometimes in the design review district talking about a preference for sloped roofs That said the practice of this board and the town in general has been to Look at roof articulation and some of these more urban buildings having a flatter roof is being acceptable as long as The design supports it Rather than necessarily putting a pitched roof on everything This becomes more of an issue when a building is proposing to Gain a height bonus to go above the 36 foot limit This building is not proposing to go above the 36 foot limit. It fits within 36 feet above average finished grade So then after the required elements in taft corners, there's the infamous five of nine design requirements So the the bylaw has a list of a number of design elements Five of which must be present on any new development in the district And I will say again, you know, this is an amendment to an existing site that was approved prior to The current zoning ordinance and the five of nine coming into effect That said staff has prepared findings that the building does address the five criteria that it needs to to be approved as a standalone Um So the first of the five of nine is multiple uses There are multiple uses on the property the the res adding the residential use actually makes this a multi-use property Uh wrap of retail shops. No, there's no retail proposed here structured parking. No, there's no structured parking proposed here Um multiple stories not just the appearance of multiple stories. Yes, it's a three-story building multiple stories are proposed Wide sidewalks that may be used for outdoor dining and or seating that encourages outdoor social interaction There are some wide sidewalks around the side of the building that lead to an outdoor picnic area with some grills and Also connect to the urban park So staff's recommendation is that that criterion has been met Public artwork the nature of which must be approved by the d r v with the advice of the hack public art Must be proportionate size and scale to the buildings and the proposed development be incorporated into the design of an urban park The applicant on the plan has identified an area reserved for public art If you were to go to the site today, you would see a concrete fountain in that location I am recommending a condition of approval that the final design of the proposed public art be submitted to the staff and d r v and hack as part of the review of final plans We have had a few projects Where public art was sort of left to the very very last minute of review Following the submission of final plans and staff had some challenges with that So we would we would want the board and under advice from the hack to actually see the proposed artwork And finally on site renewable energy generation. That's not proposed at this time But an urban park is under 41 5 39 So it says credit for compliance be provided only where proposed park is visible accessible to the public Compliments other proposed uses a picnic table for employee lunch breaks is not an urban park. So There's a there's a question of scale there. You see that existing green Proposed to be enhanced with some new benches and landscaping on the landscaping plant as well as the inclusion of the art And then that um picnicking area that's a little more Sort of will feel a little more like it comes with the residential building So staff is recommending that the urban park requirements being met by that proposal We did receive review from police fire and public works No comments were received from police And as I mentioned earlier on the applicant has made some revisions recently in response to public works and fire comments So in the drb packet, you'll see just a couple sheets showing how the overall site Can accommodate the police and fire comments and this would be toward the back of your packet with an August stamp received today And what this amounts to is adding grass pave to the front of the building by the parking lot So a truck can pull in and reorienting the staircase access to the lower level of the building off of day lane Public works was concerned about the proximity of a staircase to the day lane sidewalk and that you know somebody could Fall into it essentially so it's been turned 90 degrees so that there can be a railing and and prevent that So those are my findings We're recommending approval with findings of fact conclusions of law and conditions of approval as discussed below Within these conditions of approval most of them are our standard conditions When you get down to the last page by the motion conditions 23 24 and 25 were drafted by staff specifically for this application And they address The landscape buffer enhancement Location design specifications of bicycle racks and the public art element as I discussed before And with that said I will stop Okay, thank you matt Uh first question is uh, have you read the proposed Conditions of approval and are you in agreement with them all? We are on agreement. Yes Great So walk us through If you would uh, I think this will probably be your you paul The the parking for the project. I think I think there's gonna. I think there's some interest in that from the uh That will be that will come up in the public input portion of this hearing It's uh, it's slightly different than what uh It's my fault So the pro pro proposed development is on lot six and lot six is owned by the lewis family partnership llc And the lewis family partnership also owns Lot two, which is here Lot three And then lot four across the street. So they currently just moved to the other side because you're blocking the way so we all can't see So we have lot six Lot two Lot three And lot four. So the shared parking calculations just assumed The the lots that the lewis family partnership owned. So we didn't look at the entire Mansfield business park and do a shared parking cost. So we took we didn't look at night's portion We didn't look at lot five nor did we look at lot one because they're on a different ownership So what we did is counted the spaces that are available on lot two lot three lot four and lot six And as matt noted in the staff review when you looked We needed a mat that came out with a requirement of 200 spaces to incorporate all those commercial buildings and our proposed 31 residential units when we did the shared parking calculations, which is provided by the urban land institute It makes adjustment recognizing that if you have an office use They require 100 of their parking spaces typically at 11 a.m. And so to 1 p.m. In the afternoon whereas a Residentially used typically at that time only requires about 50 percent of the spaces and as you would expect If you drove in here by 8 p.m The office buildings are are generally pretty much empty only handful of cars there whereas the residential units would require their full Complement of 31 units times of 1.75 spaces per unit in the bottle. So We did the calculations. We came up with 192 spaces. We were still short Historically, there's always been parking A long day late and we provided the staff with some historical pictures that show them parking. So We are proposing to strike 17 spaces long daily And that brings our total parking count to 194 whether it's 192 required So we would suggest that according to your bylaws that we meet the required parking for the proposed 31 units A little back and forth with the fire chief originally he was concerned about Excuse me access to the building We met with the fire chief and he agreed that if we provided him access To the back of the building for the latter truck by using the grass pavers that he would He would be fine with the parking along Daily and originally he asked us to eliminate I think four of the spaces We made the changes. He agreed We're back to 194 Okay, before you continue, I'm gonna I'm gonna ask the board if you have any questions relative to parking I do one comment the chief overlooked it is Sure, he can plant the tower truck inside What happens if the fire is on the other side? He's gonna need those four spaces He may he may not think at the moment. He does but he will because Fire never it seems to be where the parking is provided for fire apparatus Well, the building is very close to the street on the night lane side Essentially now there's no parking allowed. There's no parking allowed on the night lane side, correct? And so I think there is I think you can park it I don't believe that wilson has passed an ordinance that Doesn't allow parking on night lane. There's nothing formally struck. That could be wrong on that No, no, no, so my question is in other words, you could have that vehicle surrounded On two of its major sides where the fire is actually occurring And they're not going to be able to put the ladder truck where they need to put it Our seat felt comfortable that he'd have good access from night lane in front And with the addition of the grass papers in the back, he'd have good access to the back for his ladder truck So he he was satisfied The other thing is is Question do we have any other developments that we do where we allow Public parking you know public street parking to be counted towards their totals Yes, any development and will every every development wilson. We've done that The most recent practice of that would have been looking at the parking demand for both CVS and the lot 30 project And the street parking provided along merchants row, which was the new street constructed for those Oh, and I don't remember that being I don't remember the uh, the winter parking band being mentioned when we went over those Lot 30 was approved in 2010. That's why I didn't hear it I mean the second one merchant Was wasn't I am for that meeting or was that already merchants row was constructed as part of the lot 30 and CVS Because I'm just kind of curious is that you know You're talking about how many months are we talking about potentially those parking spaces are unavailable Four months. Yeah That's quite a that's quite a bit But it's not the it's not the evening where we need the spaces in the evening the commercial uses are pretty much empty There's plenty of spaces So the so So no, so you're so you're telling me that the building that where you're building that jazzer sizes Doesn't have any parking demand at night And the on the other and the other question is is I know american heart ones Stuff at night because they Uh They have they always sending me demands for money And I know they run their programs at night. So There's there in this particular development. You got two businesses that don't follow traditional business models. They're they're They're their actual work time is night time not daytime The chair of parking calyx do assume that there's some use during the using hours in the office. It doesn't say it's zero Okay And you know and maybe that jazzer size has some classes here, but they typically don't fill the whole parking lot But yet you still have this entire lot available You have this entire lot available if need be okay So you got others you got other lots and and and and and it's and it's a lot with the 44 spaces What's it's what's it's average occupancy I don't know Maybe maybe maybe we actually do need a full parking study Okay, next question going that person So so paul, why don't you for the benefit of the board and the audience? just walk through Uh a little bit of the methodology used in a shared parking study so we use the the urban land institute And we find my table Actually the table's on a on sheet two of the plans And so the urban urban land institute Looks at a few basic classes of use All right in this case In this case, we have apartments or residential units. We have retail uses We have a movie theater use. We have office use and we have restaurant use Right those those those are typically uses if you look at the table The table basically says that 6 a.m. In the morning That 100 of the residential spaces are required 0 percent of the retail 0 percent of the movie theater 4 percent of office and 0 percent of restaurant spaces are required So on and so forth when you get down to noontime It'll it'll tell you that you need 80 You need 85 of the residential spaces you need 97 Of the retail spaces you only need 10 percent of movie theater spaces You need 90 percent of office spaces, which would make which would make sense And then you need 50 percent of any required restaurant space as you move further in the day if we go to say 6 p.m You need 92 of the residential spaces You need 92 of the retail spaces You only need 80 Of only the 80 percent from movie theater And the office space drops down to about 23 percent So there's still a requirement for office space, but it's only 23 percent of the maximum And restaurant space as you would imagine is up to 90 percent If we jump forward to 10 p.m We're at 99 percent of the residential spaces are required On the retail space at 10 p.m. We're down to 32 percent Movie theater as you might expect is peaking at 100 percent Office space is down to 3 percent 10 p.m. 3 percent typically office space is needed and the restaurant space is still hanging in there at about 90 percent At 10 p.m. For all those all those late diners So basically it's a large spreadsheet and it goes to and it adds up all the uses now for The uses that we have out there Apartments that essentially residential and office The peak requirement occurs at 11 a.m And that is 192 spaces when you get to 8 p.m It's dropped all the way down to 83 spaces So it's gone from 192 spaces needed midday Down to 83 spaces. Oh, actually that's 63 spaces At 8 p.m. By midnight We're basically down to 55 spaces just essentially the residential spaces. So at midnight we've got 192 spaces Out there 194 spaces including the office spaces and it says that we only need 55 So if we went there at midnight, there should be 100 parking spaces available. So even if there is a parking ban Should be able to find quite a bit of space and that was exactly what I wanted you to address So paul, did you follow that? Yeah, I got it. Okay, okay so so I'm going to go a little out of a little bit out of order here and and open up public comment on the shared parking principle because because uh, because I think it's appropriate after what you just uh, what you just said paul so So if you would if you're you're asked to speak if I acknowledge you, please stand up Give your name and address And and address the board, please Sir Jim Barton for the word chelsea place. Can I go to that? Yes. I was hoping we'd have the overheads So let me get oriented here. This is where this building is proposed this is where Chelsea place runs I'm looking at a building where if I pull out of it And I'm looking for parking I can see less than 200 feet away Chelsea plates Otherwise, I have to look across the street around the building down the street. I understood that the original recommended or required parking Was going to be 600 feet away A person coming out of this driveway not able to find parking is going to do what seriously they're going to look They're going to the closest parking spot they can find Now I recognize that chelsea place is a Village street or a town street. I recognize that but if you look at the design of our units Our parking lots and the parking in front of our units is really quite limited It is townhouse parking. It was designed to be a quiet townhouse neighborhood I honestly believe that the person who cannot find parking behind here is going to take the obvious first option And that is to turn right and park at the first spot they see We have one parking space per unit in front of our homes The way it was designed our curb cuts our driveways are designed with one parking space in front of each unit I am very concerned about losing our parking. I'm very concerned about changing that nature of our community I also wanted to talk about just I'm we're limited to parking, right? Uh, I I would like to keep at the parking right now and I'm going to respect that with one caveat When you turn out of this unit There's a note that there are no signage changes of signage These are our mailboxes right here I would beg you to require no parking or some other protection of our of our mailboxes For access Yes, please And I would ask you to consider Possibly residential only parking for our media Jason Street Okay, thank you ma'am Allison Marge's hlc place I um live right here production right here And I'm also a member of jazzercise. I go to the very popular 805 class Looks like this 805 usually goes a little bit into here There's a 6 a.m. Class and then the date at the end at 6 45. There's a class, but the most popular classes Are saturday and sunday mornings and I can see from my condo because sometimes I looked to see whether it could be too crowded Or not it fills the whole parking lot On saturday and sunday. I wasn't able to take a picture this week past weekend But if you go at the morning saturday and sunday classes, you'll see that this parking lot Is full On chelsea place We typically have one car garages and then we have usually people who have two cars So in the summer everyone parks on the streets We've already had issues where people cut through To avoid the light and pop out on zephyr So if I retire, I'd also consider Going that way and people really speed down this room, which when there's added public parking I think will be Also unsafe In the winter we are not allowed to park on the street So people sometimes try to park here And I know american cancer society will give them a note and such that they can't so then they go over here And like you were saying In the wintertime You're not going to want to carry your groceries and everything from here There's going to be a lot of parking here and people will probably start to park over here And i'm also part of the Making strides for breast cancer walk and we do have evening meetings Starting now until the walk in october. So my concern Is that people will definitely find the closest parking especially in the winter and when you can't park on the street You're going to lose that extra space. We don't have visitor parking at chelsea So people are already looking for extra spaces and you're not allowed to cover the Sidewalk and we're definitely allowed to park on our lawns Or some people have taken to to accommodate extra parking and i'm just concerned That this is going to be considered too far for someone Especially if your apartment is here to walk when this is full at 645 with jazz or size or the really popular right after the There's a very popular one right after school That a lot of people go to it's actually less populated by noon or 11 a.m. Than any other time during the day. So these are my concerns as well as i have a big concern about this dumpster But we'll get to that a little bit Okay, thank you ma'am So my name is maryon kushner. I live at 60 chelsea place. So i'm on the back side I feel that the concept of the shared parking May fulfill the Leather of the law or regulation But I believe it violates the spirit of the law that the fact that you have to go to these other parking areas And you have to paint Lines on the street that's not Fulfilling your obligation of a certain number of spaces. There's a lot of traffic already people Use zephyr lane as a shortcut between two and two a And right now This is deviate just a bit from the parking But people are coming out on zephyr lane because there's a traffic light there We do have all the sets for traffic and parking. They're going to want to come out on night lane There's no traffic light there. You take your life in your hands. So that's another concern of mine, but I don't I don't feel that the parking has been properly addressed and I and I think that reflects the fact that The size of this building is out of proportion to the area And Also concerned is the traffic that's going to develop with these at the times like he was saying people coming home Our children play in our development. It's quiet. We all mostly know the children But that concerns me with the like cutting traffic cutting lanes trying to avoid lights That's concerning Also the jazzer size After jazzer size the last class gets done at quarter of eight at night Which are very full classes and they'll start picking up now that winter times come They also do have ballroom dancing at night that goes until 9 30 or later Oh 10 that's a full classes. They also have They've been doing line dancing So they're this and although that part not does get pulled at the times After these hours for other extra curricular activities that they do That jazzer size gym So that was just Thank you sir So back going so on a 106 Chelsea. My concerns are on daily They're going to restripe it. Is there any accessible parking for those? Also, who's going to restripe the street every year every two years, whatever that may be Those are my parking concerns from parking questions from from the audience ma'am I have written and other people have written to the police and Williston and public works About the speeding and the cutting through and it's on record That it's becoming very dangerous because again, we don't have guest parking So people park on the street and these and there's people playing and they're coming through I'm not sure how that was slow the additional 31 units of people coming through taking a right sir As far as I know, this is the first time we've gone with this shared parking concept in this Development area this whole area every other building put in here has had a requirement for adjacent adequate parking And this is a change in that direction Mack can you address that please? Um So The hamlet development. I'm not sure but the applicant can refresh my memory as to whether shared parking was looked at There are a mix of uses there Um, I am certain that there was shared parking assessed as we've looked at the finny crossing Development is a way to reduce the amount of service parking that gets created The broadening out into the rest of the zoning district. It probably feels pretty far away from this But um, we did do an extensive shared parking element to our review of proposed additional parking at maple tree place Um, essentially looking at reducing the amount of new parking that maple tree place would build Based on the uses it has So there's a couple times we've looked at shared parking analysis. It's a little early at finny crossing Because we don't have a share of commercial build out this project We did look at shared parking for the kismet gym They built 56 spaces instead of I think about 86 that they would have been required without a share It wasn't just looked at it was implemented. Sorry that that was built with 56 spaces, right? so so if I if I may the the principle is to try to um Try to manage impervious services Which lead to storm water runoff and the need to manage Stormwater runoff. So that that's what that's what the guiding principle is here to try to utilize parking spaces Throughout the day in an efficient way So that we don't have a sea of parking when we don't need it So that's that's the planning principle here, sir All those examples you just gave are all independent or all together Parking like you said finny crossing those are all residential parking kismet and people's united have a connected parking lot None of these parking lots are connected This is you know merchants really mentioned that was a commercial or as a application of that respect. This is mixed use So i'm not sure if the shared parking really applies to the other examples Okay so I I also open the hamlet project, which is right next door and and It is the hamlet along zephyr road the buildings that are right at the corner of zephyr in day lane Are it's a mixed use those are mixed use buildings Are some of them And residents of down the street. There's on street parking right along bank day lane So the first floor the two the two buildings right at the corner of day and zephyr There is a salon. There's a spa. There is a financial office space and another office user The spa and the salon actually has hours from early in the morning to very late at night And so and then along with the apartments up above and so it is it was primitive Based upon a shared parking analysis as well as allowing for credit a bonds free parking And We've had tremendous success with it and it works very very well Sir you have garage and surface parking behind those for the apartments. Do they lose the yellow I bought my dog They have striped parking in front Does that park you go away in the winter overnight it does Any any parking along the public street is subject to the town's Winter parking band which bans overnight parking essentially Regardless, so that would apply. Yeah, that would apply the band would apply to that Versus 31 and 1 And they have garage parking And they have surface parking behind those units and there's cutouts on zephyr Any comment on that or no, I don't know if they're talking to me. There's no cutouts on day lane It's striped all the way down through. It's the same width as well. It's day lane. It's all the way down through So it's the same way Yeah, but they put a park on day lane as well So the date the parking that it was allowed on day lane was also given us credits Just like it's being given to us as credits here For the hamlet project. So there are so we act that so there are there was a there was a cutout on zephyr only because it was Higher through or fair street. So we actually widened that section added seven parking spaces there And then we did strike day lane day. So day lane doesn't change with it's the same width all the way down through So it's the same exact same concept. It was already approved for the hamlet that we're requesting approval here There's a lot of asphalt out there I'd like to time the day you go through there. There's a lot of spaces I'd like to clarify one thing for everybody about street parking. So any development can swap Some available street parking within 600 feet of an entrance for on-site parking demand It's not required that that on-street parking be solely reserved for that development. So for example if cvs and Aspen dental Both are looking at the same parking space and saying that's within 600 feet of my entrance Under our bylaw today, both of them are allowed to say that's one space that I don't have to build on my site So, you know, there are things that you can do Regarding designated or assigned parking within a private development on those private lots None of that's proposed here right now Once it's a street space, it's It's available and it's available for any development with a major entrance within 600 feet to offset one of their on-site spaces for that street space So they're they're never owned or controlled by anybody. They're they're available for whomever Wishes to park there. That's correct And they're 24-7 except during the winter April to December after midnight till 7 in the morning So in other words, if someone happens to have three cars And they've got two cars Roomed for two cars in their home make it actually come over just pick a car pick a space on daily And just pump that car there For literally up to six months just have it sit there if it remains plated and registered Yeah, that's what I'm asking the question Street maintenance that happens where that car might be Requested to be moved That that usually happens frequently enough that that picks up those sort of longtime street parkers, but yeah There are there are places in in the town in the county where you will see a car You know park on the street for extended period of time like that Any other parking questions, sir? Straight to the parking on one side And so it looks like we're going to do dual parking which could be problems for the truck Our trucks We're only proposing to stripe one side of daylight so So what I just heard the applicant say is that there's only proposed striping on one side Of day lane associated with this project So there'll be no parking signs put on the other side of the road then No, uh, so public works controls the right of way of the public streets We can't we you the drb can't require anybody to do anything on a public street They can propose something on a public street like parking as long as public works Goes along with it. That would be the same thing for saying, you know, for example If this board were to say well, we're only okay with the parking striped on day lane If there's signage of no parking on the other side It would be a request to public works. Is that something they're interested in in pursuing and and having So there can be Different parties with multiple interests at work here and they all need to align if there's going to be an effective approval And if they don't align then another solution needs to be sought any other parking questions comments I just have a question just a safety question if we're expecting people to park so weight so far away from their potential homes I mean, what is there for lighting approved lighting and such for the safety of tenants that are in that building? Well, really not expecting the residents to have to park that far away if you look at when they need parking It's primarily from 8 p.m. To 6 a.m. And there should be plenty of spaces right there in that parking lot If you look at the parking study, you know the peak demand is midday right 11 a.m. To 2 p.m. And so If we would expect that someone would have to utilize one of the other lots I would expect it would be one of the office users Maybe a jazz-sized person who comes from out of 6 p.m. Class Might find that they have to park on the street or they have to park across the street in lot two or lot three You know generally The residential folks when they go to work and they arrive home at at 6 p.m. There will be spaces available What business Can you get out of and get home at 6 o'clock and Vermont I would just curious if you happen to have a list of those because it seems like Workers are arriving home later and later in The later they arrive home the more spaces should be available the later they come the better it gets Not if not if the jazz or size apparently is running full tilt, but that's another story In those alternative parking spots For other classes because they're being taken up by the unit 31 unit I think I really believe that's outside of the scope here because What what the applicants obligation is to um to do a study And come up with a parking analysis based on approved standards And and I are there any other any other parking questions One final comment from staff on parking So the the offset of spaces via shared parking study is something the drb can decide on it's it's at the drb's discretion They may reduce the number of required parking spaces as at the result of a shared parking study um You you may consider any other evidence testimony or information you think you need In order to make that decision So One thing that we've heard a lot about tonight is that there's a particular commercial user jazz or size on the site that may generate additional demand The numbers are talking about assessing all of these other buildings as general office And assessing this new building as residential If the drb does have any questions That they would like the applicant to come back and answer about that particular Peak demand that might come with that type of use It's not one that's captured in the bylaw chapter So we look at gyms, but we don't really look at other recreational uses In fact, what the bylaw table says is too diverse to mention Individual study might be required. So as the board proceeds to its review Collectively you may want to think about whether you wish to ask for any additional information about Parking demand generation by that one particular or any other use on the site that Maybe looks a little different than general office Okay, thank you matt Okay Now to the applicant what what what else would you like to add to? Matt's overview on the project not much Public works did after we changed the stairs came back and asked for a fence along the retaining wall We agreed to provide them a detail to show that fence and On matt's table On the long-term parking for the building He lists that six spaces are required long-term bicycle spaces and that we are providing six I believe it's actually eights required And we are providing eight. It's one for four units and we're 31 units. That's essentially four so The whole the whole basement of this building is actually going to be storage for the tunnel Yeah, so I think everybody could store a bicycle down there if they wanted to Yeah, we could we could store half a willowson's bikes And So it's yeah, there's basically every Every every apartment in that building is probably going to have somewhere in the neighborhood about a 10 by 15 foot storage locker In the basement, so it's going to be pretty significant walkable and yes. Yeah. Yeah what's going to be the out of curiosity what's the width of the uh The dimensions of the building. No, no the width of the corridor Around the locker. So I mean like you know, can they get no no at hand it has it's got to meet ADA code So it's elevator access. So so basically it's going to be five feet. Okay Other than that, we were in agreement with the proposed conditions staff listed Yeah, please on the on the ADA spaces I'm maybe I'm just not seeing it here. I see two spaces behind Kind of in the in the inside corner there where the office building and the residential building is I'm trying to figure out where the other four are Of the six that are required. Oh, they're they're Look look look at the dark spot See the concrete sidewalk Look just inside the concrete sidewalk. You'll see them. Those are Spartans. They just be removed. Oh, those are being removed Those are being removed Oh, um, maybe maybe they do miss their count I don't know. I'm asking Oh, that's a good question. I don't know offhand where the wills other two would certainly I don't think that would be eligible for the shared parking to put the handicapped spots for this residential building uh across the street and behind another building I would agree. Yes I think those need to be very close to the I think you need to look at how many that residential building Needs and make sure that number is there I think you had two guys working on the diagram because I think those are the four spaces that you were counting for your six I think he's correct. It is um There's some parallel spaces on the very south end of the building and they don't show that but I think that's what the additional Where are they? Where are those? You are the jazzer size places Yeah, it's kind of hard to see those need to be shown for sure. Yes Yeah, there's four spots there They're kind of hard to see because there's an underground storage system underneath it You've got some utilities just in conflict with the drawing there. I understand that But but I don't see that those are listed as as accessible spaces And I still would question whether those are adequately located for use by the apartment building At that end of the jazzer size building I think the two that we have on that end are sufficient for the residential I'd like that to be confirmed It's to the ADA for our apartments is it's two per every 50 units. I believe is is the number And that's what in your table. That's what matt has required ADA spaces for residential multiple family dwellings 26 to 50 units requirements for two spaces Anything else john Courtney any All No, just just we're just we're in general discussion general discussions. Okay, so can you um Can you talk about where the entrances are to this building how they're marked? Whether they're adequately marked, uh, whether there's coverage or protection from the weather, etc, etc It was hard to tell that from the elevations in the packet So the entrance that we have to the building that you have here the This is on the parking lot side. So you have and they're both Covered which I think what you're alluding to Um, this is the main entrance main lobby to the building here Secondary entrance here. I'm not seeing how those are covered. Yeah, this this is a if you look, um I can provide I mean the bottom line is they will need this this This piece that you see right here as well as this piece over here It's actually it's an overhang. It's from it's It's it's an awning from from the building itself I don't see that those are shown anywhere on these plans From do you have the architectures in that packet? Oh, I've got a site plan. I've got the landscaping plan I have a floor plan You're the first floor plan And that's just in the face of the Do you envision that as a as a A permanent structure as like part part of the building Where no no no you can see you can see right here see here see here See how it's hung. Yes So if you look at the if you look at the elevations, we're looking at a 201 And it should have shown up on the east and west elevation But it didn't but if you look at if you look at a 201 where where it says 144 night lane over the main entrance You can see above it You know that there's an overhang that's hung Falling the building See the supports you can see the supports you can see the supports and then actual just above it You can see there's actually rails. That's actually a deck So that that that part of the building you can see the relief in the in the in the build in the front of the building itself So that actually piece of the building actually it's obviously 2d. So it's very it's hard to see That's a decorative area, right? I mean you don't have access to it. No, no, but yeah But but they're not All right, I guess They're not shown on the elevation though on the on the east elevation, for example That would extend out from the building make it perfectly clear that there's actually a canopy there I agree and we should we should correct a little strikes on the front of the building Yeah, we should correct the elevation so it shows the overhangs How is it that the hat approved this in regards to Well, we understood that they were there I've seen those those supporting structures But you're right that it should stick out on that on that elevation off the side Recommend a condition on fire Yeah Sorry So john, are you saying you'd like to see it on 101 the floor plan or on 201 the elevations I can see why it wouldn't be on the site plan Normally you might show where the dashed line or something there indicates that there's a canopy above there But certainly it should show somewhere on this Okay No, we see we agree they should definitely be showing on the on the elevations I mean, there's really no way to tell here how far out there extended Yeah, we we agree completely how far are they extending out? Yeah, no, I we agree with that. Yeah How far are they extending out from the building same saying we can revise Is I don't know a foot or two foot or five feet or eight certainly not going to be it's you know If you look at if I all I can say is traditionally if you look at buildings that we other buildings that we built in williston It's it's body. You're going to be somewhere between three to five feet Are there no entrances along the street There are no entrances along that lane So there are no entrances along the east west for South elevations, right? There is a there is an entrance on the if you look at the site plan We have an entrance on the west elevation That is that the one that goes down the basement. Yes, correct. I'm just saying yes. I'm talking about four People to exit the building in case of emergency. There's one. There's only exits into the parking lot We we meet the required number of egresses into the building correct at both Just want to make sure about that questions john Okay You got fire stairwells on both sides of the build on both ends of the building, right? Correct The reason why we only have the first I'm sorry. Is there any reason we only have the first floor plan? Usually we have Probably mirrors of each other probably a mirror image. Is that fair? It's stacked. Yeah So every every floor follows the same so every floor has a lobby and No, they won't they will have they'll have a lobby, but they won't have a vestibule So when it but it's stacked basically the end units will go all the way up through The floors two and three have Have a common area No, so what you'll so when what what'll end up happening here is the area The entryway that you have here with the lobby Yes, and that's just another unit and then exactly there'll be a unit above or two units above it on the second You know the second and third as you go up And the same would exist where you see that the the den fitness area there would be So how does the how does that particular double stairwell? Uh, then exit If you got two units above that there'll be a there's a small like I said Conceptually I'm basically saying but there will be a hallway obviously because the elevator is right here And so if you look at the architectural's that that stairwell there is all glass all the way up through So there is a there is a uh, they're they're uh You can see here. I'll point right here. See see the little window right here. Yeah, that's a hallway Okay, so it goes all the way out to the exterior wall. Yes Okay, so that so the that secondary wind that smaller window is the that's the end of the hallway So you have natural light coming into the hallway which which you know for the elevator access coming off the second and third floor And all the apartments in here are limited in the number of bedrooms, right all one bedrooms So those are actually a little bit smaller at kesson the ones above the door there Yeah They very the the end units are a little bit larger the interior ones are a little smaller Is there a requirement for your stairwells to be pressurized just out of curiosity about three stories or is that not a requirement? It's only on the high rises Are you talking about a stamp height or no pressurized? I'm talking about basically That the air in the Stairwell is higher than the rest of the community. So I'm not gonna not smoke will not go Yeah, I'm not even require that four stories What I mean, that's a requirement in the state and four stories. Well, I came I came from dc Our high rises. They were all pressurized. Okay. I just wanted to know whether or not we had them up here in vermont Yeah, no, I mean we we have Uh, you know, we're we're four stories in That's exjunction and it's not That's all the requirements that the requirements that we get when you go to when you go to uh Four stories are higher than as far as fire prevention. It's stamp pipes in the in the uh in the service Does both map tries on their bigger buildings? I don't know what they're doing for the new one at 12 stories. Maybe it is Uh, so uh the audience So we're now in an area that is um kind of an open forum for all questions beyond parking I'd like to open that up to the audience, ma'am. How many occupants per unit? I know it's only one bedroom, but What is the number of occupancy per unit? So the town does not regulate the occupancy this building is a public building and under the uh code Per view of the state fire marshal and there may be occupancy limits related to that We generally, you know, when we look at things like the parking impact the traffic impact things like that You'll see numbers like we assume 1.75 parking spaces per unit So will there be two people in every unit? No, probably not and the bylaw assumes that will there be more than one person in every unit? Yes, probably So we don't regulate the occupancy we don't limit the occupancy as an element of the town's bylaws But we do make some assumptions about the occupancy based on the way we think about parking traffic circulation Adequate amount of outdoor space things like that We do not regulate who or how many or how people are related to one another when they choose to live together No How do we stay away again? That would be helpful. All right, allison barge is number eight Chelsea place again I'm one of the first four that are directed behind this building stay on point but Just overall I found we've grown up in Williston And see how city's crossing looks very uniform The hamlet looks very uniform the hamlet the other Apartment building the end of the hamlet is as high as the hotels and stuff around it When I see something like this popping somewhere But it it doesn't fit and it starts to make The whole look of everything is incredible and such. It's rather disappointing The other thing is just from a personal home or point of view It's going to be blocking light It's not in the same height as the other buildings around it There's going to be increased noise and I'm sorry that I'm late to the game on this Building and I probably should have been here a year ago But I didn't put two and two together because it said day lane and night lane where it was going but I was Woke into the fact 10 p.m When works and stuff started going and this is typically a quiet area businesses are closed around 10 There's usually not a lot of people in that whole business And now I'm going to have At least 31 people added to that place coming and going It's going to add a lot of activity to quieter part of the town And I think it's also going to block views Because right now from my second floor I can see over the trees I can see the other buildings. I'm not going to have those kind of views And overall my concerns about dog waste because I had a friend who rented at the other end of daily And I had to lift up my niece and carry her to the front door because there was so much dog waste And then the dog waste spilled out into the hamlet because there was nowhere for the dogs to go There was no green space and so they started walking their dogs through the condos of the hamlet as well as Their trash and recycling when it's windy blows down into chelsea place whenever there's a wind High wind storm and there's quite a few high winds so concerned About how the recycling and the trash is going to be contained. It is actually a very windy area And then I just echoing the parking and the traffic concerns I just feel like this is very out of place for where it's going It doesn't seem to make sense of everything around it. It's going to probably force jazzer size to move somewhere else Because they're going to lose parking and that's going to make people stop going probably to that facility Because people don't want to walk really far people still go to live at chelsea place drive to jazzer size I mean it's people in vermont don't like to walk through the snow a lot. It's just reality So that was a quite a few things I've already in my letter as well Any other comments, sir With the anticipation this will happen I Could ask what the powers of the site work will be will that be respectful of a residential community? So we have the opportunity as a yes the drb to weigh in on that topic, correct You do You know generally the hours of operation for site work are regulated via the town's noise ordinance, which shuts things down at 7 p.m Generally limits noise before 7 a.m. As well And i'm quoting that I may have the hours off one side or the other and I can look it up for you The noise ordinance is actually not part of the bylaw, but any Sort of pounding driving digging heavy equipment operation will generally exceed the decibel limits in the noise ordinance at the property line Just you know by its nature that limits construction activities to daytime hours The board In the past has also considered Adding conditions of approval to sites. I think it's usually more than commercial sites where it's going to be a regular operational thing Hours of trash pickup hours of delivery times in mixed-use projects For example, where you have a restaurant next to an apartment and you don't want the cisco truck showing up at 5 in the morning With the backup alarm on Those things have very traditionally been within the drv's purview to address if they wish to do so under conditions The project is subject to an active 50 permit the typical hours of construction for active 50 or 7 a.m To 6 p.m. Monday through friday 8 a.m. To 5 p.m. On saturday no construction allowed on sunday Do you anticipate any road closures due to the construction? No, we don't So everyone born from 90 medicine my concern is the dog waste I have a lot of Two offenders I have in my neighborhood come from the apartment building H. I believe And their trash container is protected It's a chain link with looters through it and Sulla comes out picks it up But doesn't gather up all the dog poop bags that have been logged in over so They've been there I've been there six weeks and they're still there and they're coming from the hotel Excuse me the apartment complex So there needs to be some type of management for the poop It's a problem. So one thing the board can consider under um, you know A solid waste management Is whether a typical stenced and screened dumpster is adequate here if the board wants to ask the applicant to show a more Access controlled screened or refined dumpster enclosure We've had those proposed in other projects in town where it's it's more of a three-sided building with a door access and you know a roof and Ventilation that's screened to prevent things from blowing out. So, you know, if that's a concern I'm just going to put it out there that the board has considered More enhanced trash enclosures before depending on the site Like the dog waste is more of a neighborhood problem though that one that When they don't have a yard of their um Jim Fonkin 44 Chelsea place when they don't have a yard of their um, they're obviously going to walk In one of the closest places is Chelsea place Now we already have an issue. That's what I Just echoing it because the other end of daily has no green space They go into the handling people's Front yards and walking and stuff like that and they actually already continue into Chelsea and down sefer So now it's going to be at both ends and there's just New green space and it's a very small buffer between my condo and the parking lot And it is a perm Very small green very little green space and then you're at an urban park. They're going to probably just Walk into Chelsea because again It's the easiest most green space So Jim Thornton 44 Chelsea place Lighting I think Matt addressed us earlier This is going to be immediately behind several units Chelsea place How is the lighting going to be adjusted so there's not shining In from apartments or from exterior lighting? How is it going to be shielded so it's not glaring into Chelsea place we also in Chelsea place have a low lighting In our development alone we when we walk our animals that way once it gets dark we use flashlights because We're we limit the amount of Street lights For that reason Sure. Well, I'll start with the lighting plan submitted by the applicant This plan around the sort of picnic and drill area at the corner of the access drive and the parking lot It shows some ballard lights. So these are three four feet tall with downward shields and Generating light levels around Um, let me see I'm seeing nothing in excess of four and I believe that's It's either lumens or foot candles and I always get them mixed up where our maximum is five Sorry, it is foot candles So so we allow up to five. We're getting four Um, and those light levels are dropping to zero on the ground by the time they hit the grass area Or the sidewalk adjacent to the site. So Williston's bylaw looks at a couple things. We look for no brighter than a certain level Which is what I was just talking about We look for even lighting of areas that are lit because you can actually have a very bright light and a not so bright light And the effect is that the not so bright light feels dark. So we look for a level of uniformity And probably most importantly to the design we look for fully Downward facing and fully shielded lights that don't allow any light to escape horizontally or above from the light bulb itself So essentially you've got to be At some angle underneath the light before you see that element and experience any of that light in your eyes Finally, uh, what I'm talking about when I say where the light levels drop to zero is what we call light trespass Which is that when someone does outdoor lighting None of that light should be illuminating measurably anything off-site. So, you know, you used to see places They would have a parking lot light That might create a pool of light that extended over on to somebody else's property or into the public street Williston does not allow that and so we do require the applicants to show us a lighting plan In this case exterior lighting is really limited to lighting that area and the walkway adjacent to the building We're just seeing proposed use of existing parking lot lighting and street lighting No proposed sort of accent lighting on the exterior of the building The other question was about light trespass, which would be light coming from inside of the building Williston's had some challenges with light trespass in commercial and industrial buildings that have large banks of windows That are highly visible from a distance. You can think about some of the buildings You can see into from interstate 89 that are up on the hill on hurricane lane In the 10 years I've been here and in the records I've reviewed I've not seen an issue come up related to residential lighting Typically the lighting levels used in a residential building combined with the types of Glass and windows used At least that we've seen have not generated complaints So it's not something I would anticipate being a problem. It's not something that's come up yet Doesn't mean it won't someday Has anyone done a study of the light coming out of the new apartment complexes that they built? Just out of curiosity. Any crossing? Yeah, the big ones. Um, all of those buildings have Lighting levels and lighting plans approved by the drb that are coming out. No, no I'll talk about the trespasses anyone just look to see just how much light comes out of them at night Just out of curiosity because that would be that would be So I've I've taken no complaints about light trespass and they were all approved with plans that did not show light trespass Those buildings were all approved under this same standard There's been no no comments since they've been built and occupied. That's what I was asking good Typical lighting violations we deal with is a commercial user who has a light and says gee Maybe if I aimed this light a little differently, I could get a little more umph out of it And then next thing, you know, it's glaring across the street or onto someone else's property. We get a phone call Every time we've gotten a complaint like that. It was an operational thing where somebody Re-aimed the fixture in a way that we that wasn't allowed or like the one on industrial avenue Where they try to light up that boat lot and it basically points straight down industrial avenue that you drive into Yeah, for example, yes Just because my unit backs up to the pad So here is a lull or drainage lull and my concerns are getting about the lack of green space between our condos and apartment block Is the main cut through and the congregation here of people and trash and such and I just Want to understand that people are probably going to cut through between the condos to walk their dogs and stuff like that and Is there going to be any proposal fencing or more trees? I didn't see that So what when I talked about landscaping and buffering and I mentioned the need for a type two or three buffer What I'm talking about is the dr. B considering requiring enhanced planting in that in that green space on this lot Um on both sides of that dumpster. So that's exactly the spot where I'm saying in my staff report There's there's a lot of buffering on the chelsea property. There's a little bit of buffering But probably needs to be enhanced with some more plantings to meet the town standard Yes How The lighting plan I have does not show any light generated by wall packs on the buildings I would assume there's lighting under the covered entryways As you know as high as that roof but I don't see any accent lighting or wall packs or anything like that Proposed for this building like there'll just be some tin cans on the overhang Right where the doors are by the doors I would anticipate basically the area out in front of the building with That is the pocket park Area would be utilized for such We do not have a requirement in our bylaw that somebody show one I don't know what this does code or state law say anything about separation between a public building and a smoking area I mean a lot of you know campuses and places have adopted something but We don't we don't have It wouldn't our bylaw would essentially be blind to that whether somebody wanted to do that or not I'm sure some of our um commercial sites certainly have have designated areas are chosen to manage that in different ways Are there other parks in willis to then have charcoal grills and storage of the Coals on site and the fire department Not that I'm aware of I don't jelsie commons have public public charcoal grills Not jelsie. I'm sorry. I'm finny crossing the park. It's a finny crossing within the common area. Yes I would assume so we're actually we're actually considering doing these as a gas natural gas grills So that's what we're considering and they actually make a public gas grill That for public spaces where it had a mackley has a timer on You got the gas line running right by just That way you don't have to deal with the charcoal Basically, it's I looked into it just the other night and it's actually when you turn it on It's an automatic timer and that way you can't forget to turn it off It's automatically going to turn itself off after whatever half an hour 60 minutes, whatever it is sir I don't know the water tables But is any concern consideration and given to displacement of water and the possibility that water only in jelsie place All of our test forms that we did out here found that there was no ground water Okay, well that was my question Any other questions from the audience any other questions from the board Any other comments from the applicant? Okay Last call I'm going to close dp 18-04 at nine o'clock Andy are you next mr. Chairman are you drunk? We're talking about other stuff. Are you joining us? Everybody all they all walked out the door. What did you do to him, Andy? Nobody wants to hear you talk I don't have much to say Better see if there's any public comment before he talks All right Okay, so We are next up is i'm sorry next up The 19-01 Miller reality lop of looking for a master sign Open up open up db 19-01 If you would state your name and your address Andy roe lemur on dickinson 14 morris drive sx Great. Thank you very much for the record. My company does do business Andy rose I've got it. Emily. That would make that would make emily hit. Yep All right, so this is a discretionary permit request for a new master sign plan for e-commerce park located at 685 and 27 Marshall ab in the industrial zoning district west The applicant is proposing to add new wall and awning signs to the site In addition to existing signage that is larger and more numerous Then the what is allowed in the williest and unified development by-law chapter 25 In this case a master sign plan is required Because the applicant is proposing awning signs Which are only allowed in conjunction with an approved master sign plan The site contains multiple commercial tenants And the applicant is proposing wall signs that are larger than the 24 square foot maximum size allowed by 25 point a Which can only be for Time plan with the special findings According to the comprehensive plan And wills to by-law as they relate to signs Also, the applicant is proposing freestanding signs that are larger than the 32 square foot maximum size allowed What follows is a table of the proposed signs for a wall Window awning internal directory and freestanding signs One of the freestanding signs is located near the street. The other is more internal The applicant did provide Some directional signage that Was not included in the calculation Because it's directional in nature The applicant provided an area of the street facing building elevation as 22,763 square feet At 8 percent that allows for 1,821 square feet of maximal potential signage area The proposed sign area is 154 square feet The staff is in agreement with the applicant's frontage calculation and sign area calculation Freestanding sign a is in compliance with the by-law requirement of one freestanding sign for entrance Staff notes that this sign is physically located on the neighboring property 586 Marshall Ave used by Berlin city kia This is the best location for the sign Due to the location of the stream utility boxes And vision triangles surrounded the access drive The applicant is not proposing temporary signs sandwich board signs suspended or projecting signs No illumination is proposed No non conforming signs are existing or proposed The applicant has proposed awning freestanding and wall signs that require special findings to be approved This can be permitted, but only if the drb is willing to make the specific findings that allow these signs And we have Drafted the recommended conditions below Andy the only thing I'd add is the Freestanding sign that's out on Marshall Ave is located on the adjacent property per license agreement is Emily noted It just can't be moved back because of an existing transformer and site distance quarter site distances So it it is on the adjacent property, but it is there per a license agreement between the two property owners And we do understand that landscaping will need to need to be added to the base of that sign in order to comply with the Bylaw so Other than that nothing to add to the staff report or the proposed conditions I want one off base question my curiosity If you can smell coffee, is that is that is that a pollution? When they're roasting at night I go down south barnell road. I mean it was so often I could smell coffee I'm just just just grind it. I grind it. How do I get you back from track? No, no, I was just I was just curious, uh, it's not really where they're falls Because this is this is this is this is a sign that relates to a sign program Well, they could have a science thing you're going to smell coffee. Yeah, I know right Any other questions from the board? This this actually needs more signs if you've ever been on a fire call at night There's not enough signs to know where the hell you're going half the time. They're working. Maybe they're working towards Pete I'm good. You're good. This is good. Yeah I'm good then you're good. Good evening. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Okay, uh, we are going to close dp19-01 at 907 Have a good evening rolling great the out of wilson's development review board is For tuesday august 28th is out of deliberation at nine 50 Before we do get started The board is in receipt of a letter from lori marino of 160 heart circle in wilson Written to the board regarding the north ridge development. The board has is in receipt of the letter and Has reviewed it while under deliberation Okay First up is dp11- I should family form As authorized by wdb 6.6.3 i john hemmelgarn Moved at the wilson development review board having reviewed the applications submitted and all accompanied materials Including the recommendations of the town staff and the advisory boards required to comment on this application by the wilson development bylaw And having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of august 28th 2018 and the findings of fact and conclusions of law proposed by staff for the review of the dp11-23 amendment number three and approved this discretionary permit subject to conditions above This approval authorizes the applicant to file final plans obtain approval of these plans from staff and then seek an administrative permit for the proposed development Which must proceed in strict conformance with the plans on which this approval is based We are going to Modify a couple of the conditions Number six We will strike the words any required at the beginning and it will then read vehicular and bicycle parking shall be provided as required by wdb chapter 14 And as indicated on the site plan And condition number 15 We will add at the end of that Boulder shall be spaced so as to prevent vehicular access to the wetland buffer Great Thank you. Do I have a second second Well, if that's it any further discussion No further discussion all in favor I Five i's Pete we're going to skip we'll skip over and do dp Dp 19-01 miller realty do i have a isham master sign plan two Oh, that's right. We got the master sign plan okay Do I have a motion for The discretionary permit dp 11-23.3 isham fam isham farm master sign plan sure As authorized by wdb 6.6 Point three i john hemmelgarten moved at the wilson development review board having reviewed the application materials submitted in all accompanying materials Including the recommendations of the town staff and the advisory boards required to comment on this application by the wilson unified development bylaw And having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of august 28th 2018 Accept the findings of fact conclusions of law and conditions of approval proposed by staff for the review of dp 11-23.3 Master sign plan and approve this discretionary permit for a master sign plan This approval authorizes the applicant to submit final plans obtain approval of these plans from staff and then seek an administrative permit For future development, which must proceed in strict conformance with the plans on which this approval is based Seconded any further discussion All in favor Okay, next up dp 19-01 miller realty llp As I would as authorized by wdb 6.6.3 I peter kelly moved that the wilson development review board having reviewed the application materials submitted in all accompanying materials Including the recommendations of the town staff and the advisory boards required to comment on this application By the wilson unified development bylaw and having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of august 28th 2018 accept the findings of fact conclusions of law and conditions of approval proposed by staff for the review of dp 19-01 and approve this discretionary permit for a master sign plan This approval authorizes the applicant to submit final plans obtain approval of these plans from staff and then seek an administrative permit For future development, which must proceed in strict conformance with the plans on which this approval is based Great. Thank you. Do I have a second John seconds it any further discussion All in favor Okay, mr. kelly will read Excellent dp 18-04 village associates the request for a discretionary permit to construct mansfield apartments Proposed 31 one bedroom unit building Uh, is there a motion? As authorized by wdb 6.6.3 I court adority moved that the wilson development review board having reviewed the application submitted in all accompanying materials Including the recommendations of the town staff and the advisory boards required to comment on this application By the wilson development bylaw and having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of august 28th 2018 and the findings of fact and conclusions of law proposed by staff For the review of the dp 18-04 and approve the discretionary permit subject to conditions above We are making amendments to number 24, which shall read final plans must include locations design and specifications showing bicycle racks that will allow the required number of bicycles For all buildings considered in the shared parking study to be locked securely in compliance with wdb 14.8.2 and 14.8.3 In addition, we'll be adding condition number 26 to read final plans shall show screening around and roof over dumpster pad to prevent blowing trash And number 27, which will read final plans shall clearly indicate size and materials of proposed entrance canopies This approval authorizes the applicant to file final plans obtain approval of these plans from the drb And then seek an administrative permit from the proposed for the proposed development Which must proceed in strict conformance with the plans on which this approval is based Uh, thank you. Uh, do I have a second second? any further discussion All those in favor opposed One abstention one abstention For approved one abstention motion carries You just pointed out is there a date issue? Yeah, so I believe what is going on here is the agenda for tonight's meeting Calls for the minutes of july 24th 2018 to be approved But if you look at the minutes the top of the minutes Indicate that the meeting Was held on july 10th. I suspect that I suspect that's a typo and I believe that if we just did a friendly amendment And changed that date to july 24th. We would be okay. Is staff agree with that? Okay, okay So the minutes will be for july 24th Correct Who would like to make a motion to approve the minutes? I would like to make a motion to approve the minutes of july 24th 2018 With the date corrected at the header as noted Great. Do I have a second? One second Courtney seconds it all in favor? Aye Aye Five ayes no nays motion carries Any other items Great So we've received Plans or or been made aware of final plans for burrowing to the deer the Um Biggest site plan change the drb was looking for was for them to settle on a dumpster consolidation plan And they they have We've not brought those to you tonight for signature because the Final plans checklist need to be signed off by public works And burlington beer hasn't completed giving public works the information Necessary for them to understand wastewater treatment out there and sign off on that So there's uh, there's an external issue We we do require for complete final plans that they be reviewed and signed off on by public works that their comments have been addressed Wanted to make you aware of that um You could authorize staff to Sign them once public works is okay I heard some indications in conversations with a couple board members before this meeting that the board would like to retain review of those At such time as the chair certainly would like to retain review and signature Authority of the plans And we'll stay the course and bring them to you when public works has said they're ready to go Very good. Um, we had no applications for the september 11th drb meeting So we'll see you september 25th september 25th september 25th All right, okay We won't see you then john. Thank you Courtney for your time. Thank you. So yeah, I mean, I was willing to stay on board through Yeah, just let someone think that through one second. You're gonna be out of town On the 11th, you're gonna be out of town on the 11th. You'll be around on the 25th. Yes You're gone Well gone as soon as you want me to be gone or until I have a replacement Okay, that that will take some time. So we would love to have you and as long as you can be I'm willing to stay through october. All right, great. So then the 25th and we still have mr. Turner and We have not found a new alternate yet for this point, uh, john benzunis did agree to be an alternate. Really? Yes I recognize that name So we haven't tapped him to come in for anything yet But it's a good reminder that we that we can if we start to think we're gonna have a That's great. He's great That's great. Um, anything else No, no, I have a motion to adjourn the meeting at 10 o'clock to so moved. Thanks everybody