 Well look what the Oscars dragged in welcome to up and Adams this is so exciting for agencies here we had big winners of the Oscars the Academy Awards last night who will be the big winner in free agency who has the most money to spend some deals some rumors hopefully get cleared up today and to get us ready we have a treat for you former NFL GM of the Atlanta Falcons Thomas Dimitroff plus lifer New England Patriot three times Super Bowl champion Devin McCarty joining us my old co-worker we used to go to the cubicle and go to the office and share slices of cold pizza we've got up and Adams starting on no sleep no so I did get to go to the Oscars if you follow me on social media I was posting some things I saw two prominent members of NFL royalty that I'll create maybe a blind item for Devin McCarty when he comes down if you have any guesses you can hit us up at up and Adams show it was an incredible night incredibly inspiring and you know we have free agency here today in an hour which is insane the theme of the night last night outside of my prevalent and rabid imposter syndrome was relentlessness and I want to focus on that today because that is what it is all about the theme was that the Oscars were telling you and screaming to you through a television set don't stop showing up don't stop trying be relentless be in pursuit of something and it wasn't about the big stars it wasn't about the Tom Cruise is he took insane movie he didn't show up it wasn't about him was about the supporting actors the guys who've been through a lot the Brendan Frazier is the Jimmy Lee Curtis is the cakey quans have been see no man saying it was all about that so the theme as we should carry it over and as I'm thinking about it I'm no sleep here with his move to LA and getting to do crazy amazing stuff like go to the Oscars is that in fact as you look at free agency it is the you know bears are you gonna go do it you have the money you started something you made a crazy trade you got DJ more are you gonna keep going Aaron Rogers are you gonna give up because it might not be exactly where you want to go and you know sit on the side and then take off for two years three years think you can come back to the NFL do you think you can find a home with the Jets is it somewhere else can you call Green Bay and somehow make it work can you do it before this negotiating window kicks off as you're sort of hamstring me at least two franchises that need to make their decisions now noon Eastern today it's going to be flooded it's gonna be tons of news we're gonna get to as much as we can like I said Thomas to be dropped as a perfect person to have on the show and I'm super grateful for that but but you know it's all about last night was all about the late-round stars it was about the Tony Ramos the Richard Sermons the the TD Terrell Davis's of the world the Shannon Sharps the Kurt Warner stories it was about that who can pull that off today or some of the questions that we have so you got this negotiating window going on and the Oscars I'm gonna try to think of like my favorite parts it was it was just amazing I won't get into it maybe a little bit on a day that's not such a big day in the NFL but it was an incredible time and I'm very grateful that I got to go and I the best date in the entire world okay let's get into some of this so we had news over the weekend we have to chew on because these are setting the table for things that might happen and what is a gauntlet in the AFC East if it wasn't already okay the Rams they dish Jalen Ramsey to Miami Miami's trying to fix the defense who was talking about this defense and everybody wanted to clown on to a up and Adams was saying listen this defense needs to step up there 24th in the NFL all last season so I'll dig into that more with Devin in a little bit but the Bears also pull off a blockbuster deal they ship the number one overall picked to Carolina in exchange for the ninth overall pick next year's first round or two second rounders and star wide receiver DJ Moore who I love Mr. 1000 yards and now he's got Justin fields throwing in the ball which I love they have their quarterback they feel good and I talked about this a lot at the end of last week sort of saying let's get this done this weekend there's no reason to wait and keep it going Justin fields entering year three was new rookie contract the bears have a ton of cap space that need to go and spend and the window to be aggressive to be like I was saying Oscar's vibes relentless that you worth you're the Brendan Fraser you were great back in the 80s and you were doing a thing and maybe like has a couple hits from then but now it has been quiet and you need a Brendan Fraser this thing 2023 the whale style and be aggressive relentless believe in yourself and be champion so it was the right call to sacrifice a little as far as draft comp to get fields a veteran wide receiver you know is special somebody that I've talked about since he popped on the scene in Carolina so the bears they have the maybe the weakest group of wide receivers last season they certainly don't have anyone who can do things oh my gosh like this and the Oscar goes to DJ for so if you want to max out what you can get out of fields and you do it's a great start and you still picked up more draft capital to add more talent to the roster so Ryan polls and I'm in and this is an A plus so far Panther side also relentlessness being shown here they move all the way up from the ninth overall pick and then go get their franchise quarterback and it seems like they're still undecided on who that might be there's even talks they might end up liking multiple quarterbacks in the draft are they going to you know deal that number one pick to Houston potentially or Indy and that's the kind of question I'm going to ask Falcons GM former Falcons GM but very much the GM mentality who's faced this tons Thomas Dimitrov so he'll be on his show on the show with all of the thoughts in a little bit and then there is the aforementioned Aaron Rogers thing and I hope Conrad back there will interrupt the show as soon as we have any news because I imagine this has to happen imminently I was surprised it didn't shake out over the weekend I don't know what Mr. Rogers could possibly be mulling over at this point that's going to tip him in one direction or the other I would assume he has his decision made and the ball is in his court fully if he wants to be a jet he will be a jet Packers president Mark Murphy as we all know made that really clear on Friday when he says the only way Rogers remain a Packers quote of things don't work out the way we want them so that relationship seems done I would be the the most surprised if he ends up back in Green Bay and the least surprised if he just gets this deal done with the Jets I can't see him hanging it up I don't think his mind works that way and he's got a lot more to give in that money I think is a thing and I also don't think he's the guy who shies away from an AFCE situation so from Rogers perspective you know I would just say get ahead of it I don't know what we're waiting for I guess is the thing with that scenario with Aaron because he's got lots left in the tank he showed it on the stretch last year everybody saw so this like talk about retirement I think is probably real or something he's thinking about but I don't know let's see here we're getting some tweets from you guys I'm not seeing any real update on Aaron Rogers which is insane because if you're the Jets in your Green Bay you're held hostage here for a minute or two trying to figure out what can we do with our you know salary cap these moves are being made ASAP with these big swings in situations you're the bears are probably gonna come out and do something right away so if you're Green Bay you want to know what's going on and I you know I'm hoping he ends up with the Jets because I think it's between Jets and retirement if I'm him and I don't want to see him retire and yeah what did I want to talk about here oh I don't want I was gonna bring up the whole Tom Brady retirement thing but we'll leave that for after okay we are gonna take a break here actually early because we're gonna have Thomas De Metrop on the show and who better to break down what's going to happen what's ahead for all of this maybe we'll even talk about Jordan Love what he sees out of him this guy who evaluates players makes these moves at these GM's and front offices are dealing with so host Oscars up and Adams will be right back the more I'm looking at Twitter I feel for Jets fans probably the most right because Packers fans I think they've made their peace with it everyone sort of understands that relationship is over that chapter is over and it's between you know Aaron Rodgers I mean no other suitors seem to be coming out of the woodwork here we haven't heard of anybody emerging and it would be a shame for him to hang it up because he's got so much left in the tank to give it was we saw it on the stretch last year I think a big part of things to our Aaron Rodgers wants a team to believe in him they want a team to give him what he wants of top five defense sounds great some young exciting receivers sound great we saw the connection he had a Christian Watson and how that developed they want someone to build around him the way the Packers have not by whatever decision that they decided not to over the past three years from the Jordan love picks the refusal to grab a receiver in the first round so I think that the Jets show him by flying there by courting him by having more interest than really anybody that we've we've heard emerge that they're prepared to go all in for him in this window they sent the entire org to Cali to meet him that signals exactly what someone like Aaron Rodgers wants to see that that he hasn't gone so it's either New York to me or he walks away I think it's New York but beyond the fact that I don't think he's finished there's you know a little thing that I would think about just if I'm Aaron every you know walking away right now you're you have too much left to give and you're sharing your Hall of Fame enshrinement that's I know that's probably not something he's thinking because he stands on his other the greatest players ever but that's you're gonna share that spotlight with Tom Brady if he doesn't come back so I think Aaron Rodgers may be thinking about that kind of thing he deserves to be a headliner in the class all his own and hanging on for one year there's money there's Panache there's a shot at winning a Superbowl if they are all in and prepared to surround him with all of that so it has to happen soon though he came out and said I don't want to hold anyone hostage with my decision I don't know if he's doing like a dramatic Aaron Rodgers thing where he wants to wait till the final second year we're seeing on Twitter he doesn't that nobody knows the jet side or the packer side what is going on that is as recent as like 30 minutes ago here on Twitter with these cap situations the window is opening and I can only imagine that that phone like they're ready to go it's crazy so the more I think about it the more I'd be surprised if he's not a jet in the next hopefully hour like hour at least a couple of hours but to talk about this and everything else going on we get to welcome in a former general manager he was the GM of the Atlanta Falcons where I met him as he was crushing over 12 season and he is the a two-time NFL executive of the year currently the CEO of a company that we're going to talk about please welcome Thomas Demutri how are you okay what is up how are you I'm so good before we get into all of this tell me what you're up to you have an incredible new company so a lot going on I can't believe that I'm on the other side of the business world but I'm a part of a football analytics company called Sumer Sports and Sumer Sports is a roster optimization business and a roster optimization tool so it's got so many layers to it we can talk about it another time really excited about where it is I really believe it can revolutionize where the NFL is the NFL is moving in such a great direction with regard to utilizing data I truly believe that the that the NFL right now K are criminally under utilizing data out there so if you can get good football people out there augmenting their abilities with something like what Sumer Sports offers I believe it takes the good GM to be the very good GM and the very good to be a Hall of Famer personally a lot of people have been asked me how would that have affected would you have gotten fired if you were using this tool and I don't necessarily know that I know that it would make would have made me that much better and more thoughtful in my decision-making some excited about what we're going we love Sumer Sports can't wait to learn more about it so let's use what you've learned there with that product and your experience as a GM for over a decade to sort of go into what today is I can't tell if you're itchy if you miss it if you're relieved that you're not a part of this today but the negotiating window it's here it's in an hour tell me what exactly is happening with GM's across the league right now I mean right now everyone's at the edge they're really at the TV's watching talking to people you know whether they're getting calls from you know people around the league usually that happens there's just a lot of discussion you reach out to your three four or five guys that you truly know that you're really close with and you start asking and inquiring whether they know anything whether you know whether there are rumors about a B and C and X Y and Z the money that's being around there of course K as you've been talking about on your on your show today and they're talking about these very important issues starting with Aaron Rodgers I mean I think that's going to be a really big part of how things start to play out today so I mean Aaron Rodgers by the way I'm sitting there listening to your commentary and I'm thinking you're hitting the nail on the head with Aaron I mean he is one of the very best ever play this game at that position he is so not done in my mind and I think that the jets be up with this situation I think can be an amazing thing for for Joe Douglas and Robert Salah do you think he goes there I do think he goes there I really do I can't I can't imagine I mean look I think moving from Green Bay to go to New York City I just think it's a nice like you alluded to it's a nice kind of finish potentially winning a Super Bowl having the limelight of being in New York City doing what you can do as you mentioned Aaron Rodgers has always wanted to be wanted there's nothing wrong with that I know there are a lot of people that have an issue and they suggest that there may be a quirkiness to his personality personally I don't see it that bad at all I see it as a guy who's expressing himself whether he's on these these interesting journeys is beside the point if he comes there and he wins for you guys and he takes it to another level and how's you knocking on the door I think you pay the money for him and you get him there and you help that organization take it to another level hands down we'll see if Salah and Douglas can reel it in I'm wishing them luck because he is really he's hamstringing them right now like he really is and he said he didn't want to do it but if you're the jets and this huge chip has to fall this expensive thing it sort of ruins the rest of your plans now it does but I think those guys are taking a deep breath and they know they'll get their answer here soon what we normally do as general managers and as team builders with the head coach is we have scenarios set up right remember that the scenarios it might be two four ten scenarios how things could drop the good general managers and that developed and well thought out general managers like Joe Douglas are going to have a have a list of of scenarios that they will approach and their number one scenario as we as we would imagine is this if it doesn't happen they'll go to the next situation right away they might be disappointed of course they need a quarterback there we know that I just think it's all going to fall into place yeah I just like that he's leaving my NFC north I was born in Chicago and these bears are looking like winners before it even starts they have the most money so much money they start the weekend off Ryan polls making a swing saying we're gonna have this blockbuster trade sending the number one pick to Carolina in exchange for these two first rounders two seconds and a bona fide wide receiver in DJ Moore for Justin Fields how do you evaluate this for both sides so let's let's start with Ryan polls I mean it's Ryan polls versus Scott Fitter in my mind and we always do this as general managers we look at our guys guys that we like and guys that we're following Ryan polls first you know in his first year second year going into a second year he's got a lot on his plate there is a lot of pressure on him finishing you know at that number one spot and what they're going to do with it of course in my mind on the Chicago side you have you have this question that's been out there when people were talking honestly I thought it was nonsense about you know thinking about trading fields like to me no you continue to stay with fields you grow with fields this gives fields and the organization the confirmation that they're moving forward with him they feel good with him they're going to continue to develop with him I mean Kay that is a really really important thing for an organization not only for your coaches your general manager team builder people walking around your building the people your fan base I mean it is a big deal if you were truly thinking about you know trading away you know Justin Fields on something like this think about the just the the fallout within the within the organization and around it would be really really difficult so that's the number one thing I think is so important I think having a number two receiver DJ more I call my number two I think he's a very good receiver don't get me wrong I think he's in the top 10 1112 he also allows you know he also allows a team like Chicago to to have fields who's coming along and growing and learning to hit the deep ball you also need at that proper guy that's going to be the underneath guy like DJ more he's very adept at that right what what were the numbers yeah 47.5 yards that he he was in Carolina as far as responsible for the pass yards this guy is you know he's he's just a very good football player with a lot of ability underneath and he can make things happen so I think that's important and then when you when you're talking about getting all of these picks look I was a part of that with Julio Jones I was on the other side of it of course yeah I was always known as Trader Thomas I was a guy that normally was trading up that said I looked at this and people were asking about this I was thinking this is exactly what I would do I would you're in such a great spot even though you don't want to be in the number one spot ever to be able to move down he has the opportunity Ryan polls to look at this create you know we have Claypole on their roster along with DJ Moore now get a tight end somewhere right continue to build the offensive line whether that's in free agency in the draft I will say remember this as a general manager as well when you go into the building time free agency in the draft if you know that you can check off some of those boxes priority going in the draft that's a really settling feeling right because there's so much uncertainty in the draft if you can knock off two three or four people in free agency I always tried to do that I always thought that was a settling feeling and then you really can hone in on what's potentially in there in the draft so look I like your Chicago Bears deal there I like what they've done there and I like where Ryan pulls Scott Fitter and the Carolina Panthers are in a very different situation Kay as you know I mean Scott's in these three years complete as a GM there's a lot of pressure on him in a different way I in no way look at this as a bad trade for Scott and company I just look at it as a completely different approach they know they need a quarterback they have an owner and Mr. Temper who is pressing them because of course in that run since he's been there unfortunately he has not landed they have not landed the quarterback that they want to take him to the the promised land and this is an opportunity in my mind to get in that spot and to really hone in on that that that quarterback now we do understand this you know Kay when you're talking about CJ Stroud or Bryce Young or whoever that is let's say Bryce Young because that's what everyone's talking about there's a great deal of pressure on him right we've seen that before when that guy gets picked even though he's got a ton of cash uh just his ability to stay calm and calmness and approach he's he's done a lot of great things in Alabama he could be the guy but the pressure that you put on him is going to be really really big so Scott and you know new head coach who has had a lot of head a lot of quarterbacks over the years you know those two guys working together this is a big deal for them more pressure on Scott than it is for a new head coach coming into the into the building of course okay not the same position but when you got Julio Jones and you went from what like 26 to 6 that might be wrong but it was something like that you weren't saying he could be the guy he could be an all pro thousand yard receiver every year that he's here you did not have that feeling I'm sure you knew he was a slam dunk with these quarterbacks getting the number one overall pick as I understand it from a lot of talent evaluators and draft people isn't that sexy having the number one overall pick it's like I don't know if is Bryce Young better than CJ Stroud is it what do you want the upside of an Anthony Richardson would it be too cute for them to trade down no it wouldn't be too cute for them to trade down at all I think that that's probably in their in their scenario building right let's see what presents itself because they're gonna have to walk away and I've been hearing you know I've been hearing that organization Carolina is very interested in Richardson to me as much as I loved what he did at the at the combine and leading into the draft this is really important for him to show as he did but there are still question marks there I think it's a it's a definite reach to think about him at the number one pick but even in the top 10 there's still going to be question marks with Richardson not his abilities but you know some of the development side which I think is going to be a really important part I think they could trade down and still land a legitimate quarterback but again pressure is on wherever that is in that top 10 they're going to have to pull something off that's going to be really really affecting former Atlanta GM keeping it very objective and nice with his rival a former rival the Panthers in their situation I like that let's move on and I love this insight it is so important and so helpful ahead of free agency in this window opening and all madness being unleashed there's Aaron Rodgers we covered that Omar Jackson this non-exclusive franchise tag it was placed on the by the ravens a number of quarterback needy teams almost immediately and weirdly really at least optically said that they won't be pursuing Lamar what do you make of that wow I just when I look at look at what's going on there with an exclude not sorry the non-exclusive situation that is that's to me 32.4 million dollars right it seems like it's it's a legitimate enough number for for Baltimore to hone in on when these other teams are looking at this and they're saying no right now I know there's all this this discussion about collusion I'm not looking at it as much that way as I'm looking at it as you know that is a big commitment let's let's use Atlanta Falcons my my old team as as a as an example when people are out there saying wow I can't believe Atlanta wouldn't go for this because they need a quarterback desperately they're also in a situation every team is different they're in a situation where they've had cap situations over the last year and a half or two years that they're that they're finally getting through they also have a draft situation that they need to continue to build if they gave a way to first round draft picks okay that's complicated you know you also have a situation that that's been talked about with these with Atlanta as well as other teams you're you're creating a new offense the new offense now you step back you think all these things that are on your plate what I just mentioned as well as creating a new offense having an offensive that's open-minded to changing their approach to offense that's that's a lot on a plate of a team that is looking for a quarterback I get it but it is something to consider can you explain why teams in the NFL are so wary outside of the obvious maybe a dishing out guaranteed contracts every other major sport has them and if you have a star quarterback isn't that a good way to show them that you're all in it is a good way to show but if you have missed some games and if you have a an agent situation like you don't have an agent these are these are concerns for teams that we can't get away from right so you know this push right now how drastic is it that that you know Lamar does not have an agent working his deal that's not only for the here and now k that's for the team that potentially takes them on and they're talking about getting a deal done not only now for the next few years but also to re approach the contract in two or three years that's on the team's mind as well when they know that they don't they're dealing with a mother potentially potentially dealing with the NFL PA of course but that is a big deal for teams there's no question it is can you explain there's a lot of people on twitter a lot of fans who maybe don't understand the impact an agent can make having professional experienced representation and there's a lot of people saying that's not it he doesn't need an agent other players have gotten it done without an agent how would these negotiations have gone differently what is the impact of having that professional representation in something like this well i think you know the number one and most obvious k is you know you're dealing with an agent you're not dealing with the player so when you're being honest about some of the concerns that you might have as a general manager and as an organization you're able to relay those to the agent and the agent can can basically calm the situation down a little bit and smooth it out and deliver it in a semantically responsible way which i think is really important it keeps it keeps the player in a good spot it keeps the relationship in a good spot and i think that is really important as far as the creativity of how you put things together if you don't have an experienced agent working with the player yes it can happen we've seen it before it things can work out well i get that but we're talking about you know potentially 250 million and in a guaranteed contract with a lot involved you it's really complicated just to go into that with someone that doesn't have the background someone who's not registered as an agent so i don't you know and i i mentioned the other other elements as well you're talking about not only the here and now but again not to repeat myself you're talking about down the line and if you're going to take someone on like that you want to know that you're going to be able to readdress issues along the way contractually and not go back to you know potentially a mother son situation it's well said by you and i want to get back to sumer sports before we let you go and i'm so grateful for your time this morning i i think you might be on vacation or you're somewhere else and i just appreciate it so much ahead of this day where all of your friends are going to be sweating it out in these front offices drinking 19 mountain do's and red bulls uh sumer sports here's what i look it's it's provides quantum i'm not a math gal quantitative analysis aimed at creating precision in player acquisition or roster management in the nfl can you talk about some of what's available with that precision and how you know it's a game of inches it's a game of precision especially with free agency in the draft process well so so what we've we i've said all along you can get 32 general managers in the same same room as us right now and everyone would raise their hands categorically and say yes this is not an exact science and yes i i fly by the seat of my pants way too much for my liking i know the owners don't want to hear that but the reality is they are i have always looked at this through many many years through through even when i was younger with my father because i've been around football since the day i was born and i'd always loved my ability to evaluate like most of the general managers do they all believe they can go toe to toe the reality is however there is guesswork involved and why not take some of this data that's available while you are evaluating the players and apply a lot of this unused data to the the roster optimization and and make sure that for for instance when i used to go to Arthur Blank i would say Arthur i have 10 scenarios for you in the off season what what our roster optimization tool does with Sumer sports is it can provide millions and millions of scenarios now of course i'm not going to be pouring through millions but i am going to ask Sumer's algorithm what are the top three four or five scenarios that would be best suited for us that would help increase well i won't get into a ton of detail but help increase our roster value and that's a big thing too often we're picking and i and i'll raise my hand i've done it before like most general managers have you you go after something because you're so driven by need we could look at Julio Jones people have often asked would you have done the third contract with Julio Jones if you had this algorithm and this algorithmic base tool beside you and i would say i would have done the trade back in 11 but i would not have signed the third contract that's how i can keep it in perspective and that's the precision and that stuff matters as we know i appreciate you so much Thomas Dmitrov go enjoy your day working on this and uh and i every team needs whatever advantage they can get so that is incredible that you are doing some innovative cool stuff over there with Sumer's sports we appreciate you don't look now i don't want to bring up the Patriots but here comes Devin McCarty freshly retired a three-time Super Bowl champion coming to a GV booth near you you you Patriots fans they already saw you say you would never look good in another uniform so will you continue to look good in a new Patriots uniform i think that is a fact i will always only look good in a patch uniform but i will no longer look good in a patch uniform going forward i'm officially retiring from the nfl i'm happy for him but i don't like it because it's playing at such a high level why now i need answers joined right now by newly retired ouch three-time all-pro three-time Super Bowl champion and a good friend of mine Devin McCarty how are you i'm good don't hurt yourself don't get too excited i know it's my first time on i know love your repping i mean it took too long if you ask me but you've been busy with another great season you led this team in interceptions this season dev a lot of things to talk about you're still playing at a really high level why now um i would say first off i i wanted to always lead the game not being like an absolute bum and and just thinking it up out there so for me mentally um i i just had enough i think it was the point at the end of the year i kind of knew um that i probably was going to retire um but i think i needed to make sure uh that's how i felt mentally and physically seeing if my body wanted to give it a go but you know having surgery getting at a point in my rehab where it was time to like start working out and getting ready for the season again i just didn't have it in me and i knew at that point probably the last like week and a half two weeks that um i was going to make this decision and then i was just figuring out what the best way was to go about it but i'm excited for what's next and i'm excited to look back and just you know have a couple drinks and just reminisce about my career and all the good times i mean you have a couple super bowls to choose from i asked these kind of questions to gronk when he hops on the show so what is that one memory that first pops up into your head like if you had to frame you have these frames with your beautiful kids and shout out to them and doc who i love and adore and it's probably supporting you through this retirement process that can't be easy what photo are you putting in that frame from your entire illustrious career well that that one behind me is a pretty good one at the Super Bowl but it's uh it's there's a time uh when we beat the rams in Super Bowl 53 um we're on the sideline and confetti starts to fall and j max on and me i'm just standing over top of them so excited so happy for him um so i would say if someone said frame a moment i'd be that moment i got a big shout out to jared rita on our video department took that picture on the sideline um great picture that to me really captured that whole year of watching a bum like j max come to our team get his first Super Bowl um and i got to just witness that uh as a big brother i was an awesome feeling and you held the the rams to three points so it doesn't doesn't uh it's not lost on me you would pick you would pick a 13 to 3 low scoring newsfest of a Super Bowl to be your absolute favorite uh okay so you're you know the tweet was it's not about the if something about the the journey or where you're going not about what is the destination you have this retirement announcement which is so cool and amazing that you do it to your brother jason he's clearly focused on his career which he is crushing on good morning football which you visited recently let's manifest this thing what is the ideal situation for debon mccordy well right now it's a good another job like you said you know doc supporting me through this doc does not want me home she hates but i have extended time at home i'm at home still being a captain trying to run the show saying we should do this like that uh why are we not waking up earlier so she wants me gone uh so i'm hoping with you know making a decision now retiring uh that my name could be thrown in there for somebody's tv jobs just get an opportunity uh to go out there and just improve you know i think that's the biggest thing from watching j uh i watched his first ever show on good morning football and then being on with him this past that past week uh it was just so cool because i'm like man this guy's actually good at this like he's reading the teleprompter going back and forth i'm like where's this guy from like how did he get this though um it's just for me just getting that opportunity i'm excited about it um and i would say that's what's been pretty cool i didn't think when i signed back to new england the last couple times that there would come a point in my career that i'll be walking away from football will be so excited about what's next um it's just i think hard for us football players to imagine uh so to be at that point and to know that you know there could be some good things ahead for me uh it's very exciting and you know i'm ready to kind of take on that challenge i mean i think your brother learned it from you and don't talk about how you just realized you're good at media when you worked with me 10 years ago and that was just a random Monday that was a random Monday we would pull up to quick slants uh i would have come off a big Wednesday had a good time roll through a quick slant uh you would come with all the energy and candy uh we just go out there and just show time we show time current what to do so that was good times that that wasn't work though yeah do you want but you could do a million things you do something already you have a good reputation uh like camaraderie with guys who are really innovative in the media space i know that you could do your own thing you could do the iam athlete sort of vibe brand the marshal thing you could go work for a network uh you're just open to everything is there something that you prefer do you want to be in the booth i would say right now i only got to do that for 10 minutes at the broadcast boot camp that the nfl puts on last march so i'm not a hundred percent sure i'm most comfortable right now doing the studio shows um that i've done and then eventually uh me and jay do want to get back to you know i don't know if it'll be the same kind of structure that we had our podcast going before um but we do want to get back to being able to do some type of podcast or uh scripted series something like that of being able to kind of bring out something else that you know guys are doing but you know i think between you know the pivot and iam athlete like they're crushing that space so um it's been fun to just watch those guys and see what they've done so um just trying to build off that and kind of use uh what we've done all of these years and find a different avenue to kind of be in and we have to mention the new heights podcast because you got two brothers there who are or are skyrocketing rushing at the top of these media charts crushing it so i saw travis kelsey last night at an oscar's party here in la and i saw one other nf i mean you know travis is mr hollywood now here he is eating an in and out burger i'll ask you the the other guy that i saw that's uh in an nfl royalty world guess who i saw last night at the band would be fair party was it adamant no that's a such a good guess i shouldn't i shouldn't give you options no i saw i saw your i saw one of your favorite people robert craft someone who you have so much respect for and i love seeing him he's a bright light he's incredible and listen most people don't spend their careers in one place and most people in the nfl have short careers you did your entire 13 year run in new england how special was that to you and that relationship with robert craft he interrupts your press conference it's so beautiful yeah it was awesome and i think um not only the play there but the ability because of the extended time being in one place to get to know you know rkk jonathan dan josh like all his kids and to be around their family uh to me was probably the best part of that and um you know towards the end of my career all some of the special moments for rkk his 80th birthday party his wedding um as jonathan was going through the invitations just think of just to think of me and to send me an invite and be able to be there and you know obviously they shared in a lot of great moments for me on and off the field but to you know kind of be able to do the same thing as a friend has been awesome and i think just being able uh you know from your time you know that you spend a year up here to be in this area just this team the fans in the fan base like they look at you as like man we love this guy because he was loyal to new england he stayed here um and for me that's been awesome these last like probably a month and a half two months of just walking around everybody would see me and they'd be like what are you going to do you got to give us one more year you have to um so just being able to enjoy that and i love this community this whole new england community has accepted me and i've been able to grow and do so many different things uh it's an honor for me to look back on my career and say man for 13 years i got to not only play here but i got to serve a community um that accepted me and was and was grateful and i was grateful that they accepted me and you know everything that i learned from the it's really well said and i you know you're talking about this and i'm thinking about free agency and it starts in an hour and i'm thinking about a guy like levante david who's such a stud played every year of his career in tampa bay he is that he's facing this decision of tampa doesn't really have the money do i go there on less money do i go take more money somewhere else and and it means something to be in that rare company of just playing for one squad so i imagine if he's going to see this or watching this like that's going through his head you were loved up there and are loved and will forever be because you were the heart and soul of the patriot's defense tim brady did his thing and you did it for for all of that let's check out some of that leadership on display courtesy of nfl films if i was you look around that circle this ain't our plan we didn't all think we'd be here you thought you'd be going to free agency you couldn't win anywhere you battled to be on this team you was in detroit you thought you was a billy you didn't know you'd be back you got trained in here you thought you'd get trained i thought i'd be gone there's a reason god playing this fellas let's dominate take advantage no tomorrow let's dominate today dominate on three one two three where was that energy mondays at nvc sports boss i had already used it monday morning that was the problem wouldn't say that is so insane it's um i would say this i remember um i i think it was my second year uh we had veterans my rookie year brandy married rutheran jane sanders um who really led all of that and and led the team and in the next year they were both gone and it was kind of me and pat chung and uh anybody that knows chung chung's looking at me like i'm not i'm not getting a speech and talking to guys uh so i just remember being in that circle and being like man i don't know what i just said to these guys um it was probably terrible and then i would say being around matthew slater and seeing the preparation and seeing the thought that he put in anytime he talked to the team uh i would say moving forward i really looked at that time with those guys in that circle as an honor that other men would look at me in a circle and would say man i can't wait for this guy to get me going i took a lot of pride in that and i want to deliver i want to give them you know the extra um to go out there and play and remind them uh while we were going out there to play together as a secondary and you know i think for me that's probably one of the things i cherish most the secondaries i played in because there was so many close connections uh we knew each other's kids we knew each other's struggles um we were there for each other and to me that you know call it a minute to two minutes that we got uh was kind of highlighting why we were going out there to play together and the plan was to go out there and dominate and look good and play good together i love the idea that you just like blackout when you're doing that just go out there and and have a great game which i love matthew slater i believe is coming back for his 97 season this year which is one of the wildest stories in the nfl because he's such an inspiration there's no one more beloved than him but outside of him who are you handing the keys to that patriots locker room for me leadership perspective too um i think two guys that stick out for me i always think defense but you know obviously i'll start because i feel like if i don't mention this everybody runs with it matt johns is going to be a leader of the patrons he's a captain he's a quarterback and dav uh dav Andrews uh and then obviously the other captains this past year Dietrich wise uh and juwan benley but i always like when i get that question i think the captains are obvious um but i think other guys like depending on what works out with jacoby mires and jonathan jones to me are two guys um that have a ton of leadership qualities um but i think they're they remind me of myself and i'll throw a call dougar in there as well of you have leadership qualities but there's leaders all around you so you don't need to do that like it it doesn't make sense for you to talk after you know either i talk or slate talks but i think those guys will now look around and be like all right we gotta replace the energy uh the passion that deb had when he spoke to the team and i think those those are some guys that will step up depending on how free agency works out um if you know j jones or jacoby are gone and i think doug will look around and say even more now like amen i know i'm quiet but these guys need me i know the process uh if not me then who so i expect some of those younger guys out of home bro to really step up deb you're too media savvy you didn't fall from my mac jones thing by you know leaving him out of answer but are you telling me well you can't but listen there's a lot of controversy around mac there's a lot of criticism around mac so you and how he handles things and what he's like what do you mean because he's demonstrative out on the field he doesn't you know like he had huge shoes to fill that's probably why are you telling me that mac jones is the future of this franchise yeah like so for me i don't understand i'll say this all these young quarterbacks come in and it's like they get crushed right away then we watch jail and hers we give them time develop and now everybody's like did you see the soup bowl he had man he might have been better than my homes and it's like yeah he got drafted for a reason we see to uh down to miami we finally get some stability around him get him with mike mcdaniel a guy who's run offense been in set in san francisco oh man he's actually a good player and i look at mac who came in came in as a rookie under josh mcdaniel's show so much promise ended up in the pro bowl as an alternate played really well for us gave us a chance to go compete in the playoffs which wasn't didn't go well at all but gave us a chance to be in the playoffs two years removed from the greatest quarterback to ever play the game we were back in the playoffs like you never hear that then last year it's kind of like a new kind of testing things out with you know maddie and bill judge kind of running the offense which it didn't work and you know the bad thing for mac is a lot of that goes right to him like he wasn't good he is his fault his fault and i just don't see it that way i think he's a young guy who now get a chance to be with billio uh a proven offensive mind in this league and i think he's gonna go and i think he's just gonna skyrocket especially when they get deandre havkins which they better do build build better get that kid for billio that would be nice to see those two reunited uh dev the other thing i'm going to say is let's cut that tape off and send it right to espn to cbs to nfl network to whoever because the way that you got just so heated for mac jones i could listen to that all day you were amazing you'll do whatever you want to do for now relax have a couple beers reminisce and enjoy yourself i mean you're ready to party come out here with me and groin okay i like that idea i might come out there and hang out thanks k i would love that much love to your family no thank you and congratulations on an incredible field your uh career you're one of the best guys on and off the field and mac jones who knew all per quarter but better than tom brady that's what devin just said better than tom i'll do that to me take a shot at college hoops finises from fanto oh my gosh i have to float my bracket but listen to this though new customers bet the bracket and get 10 times your first bet and bonus bets that's up to 200 dollars and bonus bets win or lose with fanto you can bet on everything from the money line to point spread so which team will score first make every moment more with fanto my producer just told me that he doesn't trust me to fill out my bracket so he's bringing on john rothstein to help me love that look for that this week to marcus where on tomorrow aren't marquette and mizu good isn't arizona supposed to have a good year i know college hoops google's college hoops we'll be back tomorrow tomorrow isn't arizona good how's Rutgers go dammit