 That's right after that's holy. Yeah, that's right. That's right. It's holy hooch Pop-tech of the holy hooch So you realize this triptych back here also opens into a mini bar Too true. It's an art history. I mean, what did everyone have for lunch? I what did I Today cod sandwich and salad I had those Foster-farm chicken strips that are pre-cooked, but I bought it last month is the first time out with the bag So it might have had some silo-sibon But it doesn't expire until next Wednesday Scott, what'd you have for lunch? I had a can of tuna mixed with mustard and sweet pickles all chopped up in little pieces No, no, no sweet pickles Scott Love them. I love them. Fight me. Come at me Pickles I like all pickles. Okay, first of all, so it doesn't matter whether they're sweet The only kind I don't like are those ones your grandma had that were like small and tasted like vinegar or whatever Like some weird freaking offshoot thing. Whatever those are called. I don't know what they are Let's leave our grandmothers out of this. Why are you eating sweet pickles? You could have Pickles, I'm the only one in the house who even remotely likes them. So there's two advantages one I like genuinely and two there's always plenty here because I'm the only one that'll touch them I mean like do they just look like regular? Dill pickles or they look like pickles or they're just they have a sweet smile Edible What's the one? Was watching the food network many many years ago They went to this place that they had the the pickle, but it like they added Kool-Aid or something So it came out like bright red. Oh, yeah, there's all kinds of weird pickles Yeah, I'm pretty much when I was a kid pickles of all kinds as an adult I will eat anything if you pickle it. I just love pickled everything So pickled carrots are amazing if you have them right pickled onions I mean with that. Yeah, just pickle it all just Pickle me All right, Scott would you read line three today, I will let me just pull up We'll get us right out of it. All right. Oh another Johnson. Here we go. You count. That's why I gave it to you All right, here we go three two Raymond Johnson has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Raymond Everyone loves Raymond because a DTNS member or become Raymond Raymond Johnson has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Raymond become a DTNS member at patreon.com slash DTNS This is the daily tech news for Wednesday, January 16th 2019 in Los Angeles, I'm Tom Merrick and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane from all the way over here over the mountains in Salt Lake City. I'm Scott Johnson and Stay and dry. I'm Roger Chang the show's producer We are going to decide who has won the voice assistant war War maybe no one is going to win the voice assistant war. That's coming up in the show. Let's start with a few tech things you should know Twitter added the option to view your timeline in reverse Chronological order available on its Android app the option showed up in Twitter's iOS app last month as well The company switched to an algorithm based ordering four years ago Hmm Unity updated its terms of service so that any third-party software including spatial OS Can be used in conjunction with its game engine if you haven't heard of unity Then you probably haven't played a lot of video games a very very common very popular engine these days Improbable that's the company that makes spatial OS is a cloud-based server platform that helps developers build games with large and persistent World spatial OS isn't officially supported Within the engine itself so in unity doesn't deal with quality or compatibility But developers can continue to use the platform for live and still in development games And by the way, I've heard of this through a developer friend of mine It is fantastic for just that big open world Games that need a lot of seamless non loading sort of space in them And that's kind of what they're known for our short niche nightmare is over YouTube updated its content policy to consider some challenge videos harmful and dangerous and therefore banned on the site No more blindfolding yourself while you drive your car putting it on YouTube The band covers challenges that encourage acts that have an inherent risk of severe physical harm as well as pranks that make victims believe they're in physical danger bad news for Japanese game shows and pranks that cause emotional distress to children YouTube moderators will decide which videos qualify for those definitions and pull them down Channels have two months to remove any videos that were allowed before these new rules came into being and now run afoul of them Gotta go check on my channel on my thing and make sure I don't hurt me old ladies All your tide pod videos got to go down So they're kind of a mess in a book from MIT Press called fixing a hole the labor market for bugs data shows that the Sorry that only the elite might make money from bug bounty programs The top 1% of bug hunters find an average of 0.87 bugs a month and earn roughly $34,000 a year the book argues making Bug bounty programs invite only reduces the cost of managing trivial non-issue and duplicate bugs while motivated and the researchers That actually provide valuable reports Good one to have some feedback on if anybody reads this this book and has an opinion on a feedback at daily tech news show dot com Microsoft says it's going to separate Cortana from Search in the Windows 10 taskbar So you'll get a separate experience for text versus voice searches the company also will hold a press event at Mobile World Congress Which takes place Sunday, February 24th at 5 p.m. Central European European European time featuring Satya Nadella cloud VP Julia White and technical fellow Alex Kipman Kipman works closely with the HoloLens project. So the best guess for what announced What do you think? And it's noble because I think I'm gonna announce a phone. So yeah All right, let's talk a little bit more about a phone phone from the past that's coming back Scott All right proof proof that time travel is possible. I guess maybe not the Wall Street Journal reports its sources saying Motorola Yeah, that's right. Motorola will bring back the Razor phone. They're still on by Google, right? Do they sell them off? No, no, no, no, no. Okay. That's right. I forgot that happened You guys remember the Razor RAZ are well, you may get it as early as February and that's next month The new Razor would be a smartphone made available on Verizon in the US sources say Motorola plans to manufacture 200,000 units and sell them at a whopping price of $1,500 each Yeah, do you not have any it's like the price of an iPhone do you not have a lot of nostalgia for a Razor? Are you not excited about that? I have some but not for 1,500 bones. Yeah, me neither Then this is okay Let me let me walk through this slowly and see where it goes. It's a foldable, right foldables are hot Samsung's gonna have a foldable everybody's gonna have foldable So Motorola having a foldable makes perfect sense the Razor was a classic phone prior to the iPhone It was it was the hottest phone of its time So of course if you're gonna make a foldable and your Motorola you're gonna put it under the Razor name so far So makes sense $1,500 I could stretch to believe if they're going to make it a foldable That is meant to compete with the galaxy and iPhone and it's it's at the top end of even those Phones but it's it's up in that rarefied air this thing's gonna have huge amounts of storage and it's foldable and whatever as soon as you Make it only 200,000 units though, which again this is Wall Street Journal sources This isn't the official announcement But if that's what they do that makes it feel just like a publicity stunt doesn't it and it's a very small amount Like 200,000 units is not very much in yeah in the pile that you would have for a normal sales year for any number of phones And it makes it seem like a limited-edition Expensive high-end thing so if this actually gets announced now I'm really curious like how are they going to market this are they gonna really dig deep on your memory your Razor well Now it's back and look how sexy it is now plus you make so much more money now than you did back when you bought the original Razor I mean they were pricey then as I recall Yeah, so I don't know Sarah I want you to get a a pink one and then you can be not because it's for girls. That's not what I meant Always had the colors right and the pink ones are the hot ones you get that hot pink and then you tell us what you think It's Sarah who's gonna bite the bullet on this one. All right Who has $1,500? Patrons we need a new level Speaking of phones sources tell CNBC that Apple has had talks with three private Medicare plans about Subsidizing its Apple watch for people over 65 years of age to use as a health tracker Currently the older model watches $279 the latest version of the device which has new health features Includes including fall detection and electrocardiogram to measure the heart's rhythm goes for $399 This this I think is fascinating because if Apple were to get in on this once you're in this door of providing insurance Related devices. I'm not gonna say it makes it easy to provide more But it makes it easier because you have these business relationships And if you are able to get insurance to pay for devices You've got a money pit and Apple has plenty of cash already They need services revenue This could be huge in bringing them services revenue because they get the insurance companies to pay for these devices and they get the feel good story of People over 65 having access to Apple technology and telling all these stories about how it improved their life and Possibly save their life and those people didn't have to pay a lot of money because it was covered by insurance When Apple has gone all in on the PR Health will be our you know that that will be our thing Right like everyone will remember Apple as being the company that that improved health for all he meant Yeah, I did something funny the other day that might be a good place to mention it I decided I was down on the floor looking for something glasses or something fell behind the bed or the something and I thought hey I got my watch on I remember them talking about the fall thing. I'm just gonna lay here for a minute Or no, I'm gonna go down kind of hard. I'm gonna lay here and see if it does anything And it didn't do anything for a really long time and I thought well, that's lame What if I was dying and then I remembered I have a series three. I don't have the four How's it gonna be my question? I was like, do you have the most Down there I was probably 10 minutes or something which is plenty of time to die if you're you know in a bad place, but sure sure man This is what a rip. We're not and then I went. Oh, I'm using the old one You do have to use the the watch with fall detection in it for the fall detection to work Right in my head. I was thinking. Oh, it's one of those features that just you know got updated in the OS No, it requires like hardware. This is how you know, this is how internet outrage happens, right? You've been on there tweeting about it. I've been the end of it Digidae reports that after the GDPR went into effect in Europe the New York Times blocked all open exchange Ad buying and behavioral targeting on European pages just to be safe that left only directly sold contextual and Geographically targeted ads. It's kind of similar to what duck duck goes says. They're like, we don't behaviorally target you We don't track you. We just sell you tech contextual stuff based on your search and maybe target geographically as a result of the New York Times doing this in Europe Revenue increased significantly from May into early 2019 Jean-Christophe de Marta SVP for global advertising at New York Times International told Digidae The desirability of a brand may be stronger than the targeting capabilities Hmm. They probably need a little more time to Say for sure that that trend is a ever-moving upward one You know what I mean whether this applies to anything else, right? The New York Times has cachet You may or may not like it But lots of people rely on it even internationally the New York Times International Is something that a lot of people like well, I want to see what the American perspective is I'll read the New York Times for good or ill. That's that's what happens And so the New York Times is able to get advertisers like yeah, I want to reach that audience You got a big audience. You got a smart audience to make money. I want to reach that audience I don't care if I can't behave you're ultimately target. I still want to spend money. Yeah, that may not work for everybody else Yeah, but Fascinating to me. Yeah, that the revenue went up So, you know this idea that oh, they have to behave really target you or they can't make money Isn't necessarily a hundred percent true. Certainly not in all cases. Is it only true that you could make more money though Well, okay, this is purely hypothetical But yeah, yeah, if if if non contextual ads work and make more money isn't isn't it only doing that in the face of what came before it which was Everybody feeling like they're by their privacy was being bandied about kind of freely and now they don't so now they're Now they're a little more open than they I mean You almost needed the bad to happen before the good would show itself that makes sense Well on the advertising side of things It was it was merely a matter of Necessity like the law is in place. We're not going to do this the advertisers understood I wonder if the New York Times had done this voluntarily whether the advertisers would have been a bit more resistant It's one thing for the New York Times to come to the advertiser and say I'm sorry with this new law This is the only way we can sell ads and the advertiser go Oh, we totally understand that we'll still buy versus New York Times saying we don't want to do this anymore because it's bad for Our users and the advertisers pushing back on that now the other side of it though Is the question you asked about whether users actually care and maybe that's part of it And our next story that you've got here shed some light on that indeed Pew you may have heard of them Do lots of studies and surveys and stuff Pew survey found 74% of US Facebook users Did not know the social network uses a list of interests and traits to target them with ads Why they didn't know that but they didn't know that 51% so they were uncomfortable with Facebook compiling this information and 27% said the ad preference listing Or listing Facebook generated did not represent them very well or at all accurately I don't know how you don't know that in 2019, but I guess and how you're like, you know what if you're gonna target me You don't really know me You're I didn't know you're tracking you now. Most of me doesn't like it and a small part of me thinks that you've got it all wrong 74% I think this is important because we've often in discussing Facebook talked about Well, but a lot of people don't care and maybe right. It's not that they don't care They just don't know even know and I know that in our bubble of doing a tech news show Every day it's hard to imagine that somebody couldn't know this right because the headlines are screaming at us every day But if they don't read tech meme and God forbid they don't listen to daily tech news show They might not know and there's a lot of people out there that fall into those categories sadly. Yeah, my mom doesn't know Here's the thing she'll she'll think it's magic though and she'll tell me she'll say my mom's 80 for the record And she'll say things like Hey, isn't it weird that I was typing a thing to a friend and then that day an ad came up for that very thing How cool it's a dental. She thought it was such a coincidence and so mind-blowing and like this magical moment on the internet I really have the heart to tell her that she's why I did tell her I said mommy being 74% yeah more because you told her no, and I don't think she felt all that uncomfortable about it She seemed to be like, oh, all right. Well, that makes sense then and sort of moved on She didn't really seem to care that much But yeah, I think that this shows that this idea that most of us don't care is maybe not the truth The truth is maybe that some of us don't but a lot of people just have no idea. Yeah, my mom is actually pretty savvy But many friends that I have on Facebook. Yes. Thank you. Hello, Linnell many friends that I have on Facebook will Repeatedly Ask me because I'm sort of like the tech person, you know from the high school group, you know there's then there's an ad and I think they might have been like Listening to my conversation and there's so much weird stuff that goes on with people that like they Understand that on Facebook there is targeting going on. They just don't understand how it works Yeah, or that it works that that well exactly I know it targets me but this thing happened like yeah because they target you like that's that's the whole thing We're talking about it. It's hard. It's based on your behavior Right, you know and and you know that quicker, you know that the more you understand how this all works I since we're all compared moms my mom doesn't use Facebook. She thinks it's creepy You know it kind of is You may have seen the meme running around where people post a picture of themselves from 10 years ago And then a picture of themselves now Kate O'Neill founder of KP insights joked on Twitter in relation to this meme as a lot of people were joking about it that 10 years ago Kate would have participated in the meme Now Kate suspects it's being used to train facial recognition algorithms on age progression and age recognition So yeah, a lot of people responded to that and on wired She wrote a column explaining that the tweet was flippant She did not mean to warn people of the dangers of this meme However, she decides to describe several use cases if someone were to make an algorithm based on this meme She said the the positive use would be something like finding missing people years after they were reported missing particularly finding missing Children a lot of a lot of children go missing and they're gone long enough that it might be hard to tell what they look Like and you have to do age progression an algorithm that was trained to do that might be very useful in that it could also Be used to better guess age and target appropriate advertising to you. She calls this kind of a mundane use She's like there's so much advertising targeting already This would just be another way to do it when you were allowed when they were allowed to use facial recognition If they were but of course like all tech it could be used for ill and she talks about you know factoring into your insurance If they if they looked at you and said mmm, you should look younger than that Based on this algorithm, maybe they they give you a higher premium or something So it's funny because this is a perfectly reasonable Column from Kate O'Neill and she she points out she's like yeah I was just joking about this meme, but it has taken off a little that people are saying Oh, if you participated in that meme, you know, you your data is going to be used against you Hmm. I may have messed them up because I did a picture of my wife and I in 2009 sitting in a couch watching a movie And then the other one was a 98 year old couple had been married She's like the algorithm can account for a certain amount of false positives and and especially look at like how late in the Meme the later in the meme that people post the more likely they are to post jokey versions of it because they get tired To see and everybody else do it. So yeah, I mean really what they're saying is they we may have just given a head start to people Because it's nothing to say you couldn't go comb somebody's photos on Facebook or somewhere else and go Oh, this one from 09 this one from now. Let's compare the two. That's all publicly available data It's just that this is a shortcut to that. This is here. They are side-by-side Don't you don't have to go search around computer man. Just have the two pictures and go for it So maybe hopefully there were more jokey ones or hopefully I don't hear from my insurance companies saying we need to have a talk Honestly, I mean the insurance companies wanted to do this they could do it anyway There's all kinds of ways to train this stuff. Maybe this would have made it easier Maybe if somebody will use it now because it's public but but this is not This meme in particular is not something that is going to be used against you It's not gonna make the world a worse place I think Kate Arneal was doing a good thing with this column though saying hey But you should be thinking about those kind of questions when you share stuff and maybe this meme wasn't a bad thing But that next thing you share make sure that you you're comfortable sharing it Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines Com all right. We're gonna finish up with a Reaction to a column on tech pinions calm from Bob O'Donnell. He's the president of Technalysis Research wrote a column yesterday asking what if nobody wins the voice assistant war and he notes the large number of products at CES that supported both Amazon and Google assistance he noted that so many products are coming with voice assistants in them that it's Possible folks will have a mix of them You know if you buy a couple of new appliances and and a couple of new gadgets You might have some with Amazon some with Google some with both But not all your gadgets can talk to each other and he wondered if that would have a negative Effect on an uptake of these if people get frustrated like I can't remember which one's Amazon which one's Google I'm just not gonna use any of them anymore and it's possible that That you know it could it could dissuade people from from even using this stuff Also, I think there could be an upside to this which is maybe it becomes standard to have multiple voice Assistance on devices may maybe we start seeing Siri. Maybe we start seeing Cortana Maybe we start seeing that prediction Scott Johnson that you had in our predictions show In December of some kind of open platform Yeah, I was I was disappointed then that that my prediction hadn't come true within a year's time that we would be well into some open platform and in full adoption mode, but um This actually reminded me that that's it may not be a year timeline, but I still think that's maybe worth stuff headed We're gonna have to get to a place where either somebody has to be such a clear winner and Open about their standards so that everybody can participate in it Or it's gonna have to be an open standard that by default everybody can participate in otherwise It doesn't go anywhere, but within the walls of the company who makes it so You know Cortana could In theory be that and Microsoft seems Hope super willing to have it be integrated across all sorts of things But it's just not being adopted that way people don't like it that much and People don't like Siri very much and people like uh, okay, google fine But then there's things it does poopy like they've all got their weaknesses and their strengths And nobody's come up with anything that just sort of works everywhere And so I still stick with my prediction that one day that will happen It will come out of necessity And it will become so ubiquitous and big that everyone will just have to support it Because it's just it'll be too big. It's like the internet. They can't make their own internet They got to use the same internet as everybody else now So It'll be like that everyone's got to use it. That's how we communicate via voice. That's how our assistants work boom but but okay the The the the idea of what if nobody wins the voice assistant war Well, I would say amazon's voice assistant is probably in the lead at this point. Yes google's assistant is is is neck and neck, but I don't quite understand what the argument is of like Well, is anyone even going to win this? Well, I don't know you use what you use But if you have multiple devices with different voice assistants on them Then suddenly you either have to remember which Uh, which device is remembering that so hard? Yeah, I mean I do that for some people it is sarah Okay, I don't think a lot of people want to try to remember wait is my toilet google or amazon Right, they're just not going to use it I don't have a smart toilet I think I agree with that to to some degree like I don't really have a problem with that now But if if this stuff just becomes more and more integrated. I mean who am I kidding? I would much rather just say Um, like okay apple music is now a service I can have on my uh on my amazon echo Which is great stoked about that plays my playlist. I love it. It's good. I was already service I paid for hey now it's in the house on my echoes But I still have this now this weird new disconnect where I used to be able to use series of voice control To do what I want with my music. I can now do that same thing with The a word but she doesn't necessarily recognize the exact same language So you say maybe in a different way or I have to talk to her first then talk to the other thing Like it starts to get a little bit like we've got Digital assistants who are running between hallways to let to to help communicate with other people who talk in different ways And I just would like it if the whole thing had a big fat standard think of it as html But for voice like I don't know what that is I mean, that's not a great comparison because it's a right I the void the voice assistant landscape reminds me the most of instant messaging Back, you know back in the 2000s, right? And you had your aol instant messenger and you had your uh, your microsoft Your msn Messenger, uh, and you had your google one come along later on Messenger And and eventually somebody decided oh, I'm gonna make a client that pulls them all in together And then there were battles where some of the messengers didn't want want clients to do that And then they tried to block uh, you're you're you're Your clients that were multiple ims from being from being able to access their ims I feel like the voice assistant Landscape is shaping up to be like that and the sad thing is we never actually got to a standard for instant messaging It just kind of got replaced by sms uh, and that That's solved that problem and maybe there'll be the version the equivalent of sms For voice assistants at some point, but yeah, we need uh as beatmaster puts it we need a trillion for voice assistants Yeah, there you go. Oh my gosh. That's a great way to put it I mean it feels crazy though, right like we would ever get to something like that I don't think it's that crazy because my tv has bixby Because it's a samsung and i've bought an amazon echo, but then i buy some device I don't know. Maybe it's a microwave or a toaster or something that has google assistant in it Well, most people aren't going to want to bother. They're just going to not use one of those It's not that it's hard. It's like i don't remember where and what do I say for the samsung? I mean i It's maybe the companies just have to be like just say hey Yeah, maybe that would be the way is if there's some amount of interoperability Amongst these things to where you could you could decide which one's going to control the others which is like scott said That's what cortana is doing. They're saying hey, we'll we'll operate with whoever But even then you have to remember like tell cortana To blah blah blah and that and that takes the natural language part about it Which is already a barrier for some people using these are like i don't remember how to turn off the lights What are they called is it dining room or just dining or you know like that happens in our household Yeah, that's a good point. I will say google assistant to me is Consistently the smartest one It's very result smart. Yeah, I feel like when i'm asking for a thing I get what I asked for or as close to it as I can get The others all to some level or another don't quite bong a little bit. Yeah, I'm gonna mess it up I just I just think we can get there. I don't know how it is we get there But we got to get to a place where it's just not so Everybody wants to right now. They're being used as tools to keep you in their ecosystem It'd be nice when they stop doing that the test will be when I could just go hey turn on the lights You know which lights I mean That's what you do. You just have to say that at the end of it know me. You're smart You know what lights I mean Figure it out You know who else is smart as everybody who participates in our sub reddit You can submit stories and vote on others at daily tech news show dot reddit.com We're also on facebook facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show And we love getting emails We do kevin and augusta georgia wrote in and said Want to talk about the health scanner camera that you mentioned in your ces coverage One of the things that you mentioned it could identify was angelman's syndrome to speak my interest because I have a nephew with angelman's It's a developmental disease. Which one of the proteins In which one of the proteins in your genes doesn't turn on it affects motor control speech emotional responses sleeping And the like when I was younger my twin brother developed like normal But I I developed like normal, but he did not He didn't talk. He didn't walk. He should have He always had trouble sleeping. His parents knew something was going on But he had to be tested to be properly diagnosed one of those tests was an MRI Needless to say an MRI on a two-year-old is not very pleasant If somebody has developed camera software that can diagnose conditions just by looking at your face That could prove very useful by getting somebody diagnosed early in life Could mean treatments and therapies start much earlier than normal and would be less taxing on the child And of course the parents shout out to the foundation for angelman syndrome therapeutics or fast Who are working on cure for the disease cure angelman dot org? Thank you For that email kevin and for sharing that story I mean, I don't think this technology could stop an MRI from being needed. Unfortunately. It's a diagnostic assistance But I think you got to the the most important point is it could diagnose things earlier Which would make a lot of other things easier because the earlier you can get a diagnosis Though as you put it less taxing on the child it could be so that's important Good stuff. 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Uh, I got you I was like, oh oh I almost picked it up because my brain hurts My brain hurts my brain hurts my brain my brain Speaking of my brain, uh, we got any titles to make your brain hurts facebook tracking me. I'm shocked shocked. I tell you It's pretty good. Uh, facebook is creepy. Everyone loves raymond. Although that didn't make it into the final recording uh voice assistant wars Uh razor sharp prices Razor sharp prices. Yeah, emphasis on the prices. I kind of like voice assistant wars It feels that's pretty good broad, right? Va va va It's voice assistant wars I don't know if I understand this new voice assistant wars movie Uh Had really good special effects you kids really do love your voice assistant wars All right, it's in the uh, it's in the blog for you and uh, roger the full recording is uploaded So I got a text back Oh, yeah It appears this is an onboarding meeting with a sponsor and they will not be here in the next two weeks So I think I have to bow out of the bow. No, that's fair I didn't know about it. All right. I would have done this differently Although it may have been a problem either way because now they have to leave town But how about roger you put me down for whenever the next Rest of them are for out from here on out for the rest of time and I'll just make sure I'm there Okay, got it. I just didn't know about this one today or I would have I would have worked around it And I don't have to leave just yet. It's not till Probably another let's see was it three another 45 minutes or so or was my heart everybody in the discord right now is sharing their icq numbers Oh They still have them jeez I'm gonna look see here again with a one. That's all I remember icq I don't think I have any Where would I have kept that something like that maybe an email? I don't think I ever had one No I was a well and some messenger for life My gosh, I found it from 2005. I found that Yeah, this big long number and a aim account Wow, I mean I was ace detect on everything. I mean Yeah, I did actually use aim until I had to work at seen it because everyone in the office used Aim for some reason. Roger. That's crazy. We all used aim at tech TV. I didn't I think you did No, I didn't I used um, I used how did you chat? No, what was what was the microsoft one msn messenger? Yeah, that's you'd refuse to use aim Yeah, you know that doesn't surprise me. I can get a hold of you I was literally What 12 feet away from you And then forbid someone someone exercise I would have had to walk that's why messenger services are the best. You don't have to like go up and whisper it to somebody And instant messengers for making americans fat I used one that they combined them all so I whoever was on msn or aim. They were all in the same interface Trillion it was trillion trillion, but I they used another one and I came out later or earlier I used pigeon Pigeon that was the one I used I used catch the pigeon Catch the pitch. Wait. Why did you use pigeon if you only used msn messenger? I used g uh, also used google chat Came later. Yeah, but yeah, that wasn't Right, I can't believe it would be okay with these icq numbers. This thing's longer than a phone number Have you committed it to memory again? I know and the only way you could share it is you had to give it to your friend in some other way And say here's a giant number for you to to take an n or somewhere I just remember when you used to text someone you only had nine buttons to work with That's bad, man Icq was bad. Well, I mean whatever it was a step. It was a small step towards something different, but I don't miss it really to be honest I did see win amp is coming back. Did you guys see that probably? I mean, where'd it go? Let's see Where's that news? Don't call it a come back. Is that what you're saying? Adium. Oh, yeah, I used adium. I had adium on the mac early mac stuff Oh, yeah That's right Oh, man, I haven't heard about adium in a long time Oh, this is back in october win amp 5.8 officially released and supports windows 10 as of october Still kicking the line I even remember that little duck. Wow, that's so funny. I am using We have 2.78. Is there such a thing still you can still use adium. All right Yeah, you can use on OS 10 uh The latest release Was offered in 2017. So It seems to be a bit. I mean, I'm on I'm still in all capitan, but oh my gosh. Look at that old website, though Geez, louisa's Wow, all right Does it work? Don't fix it. Oh look, I I have rust pits's icq number In my search in my yahoo mail In your yahoo mail All your head I still have yahoo mail. That's how we do access to flicker. I did rc this way as well Actually, you know what I have yahoo mail for the exact same reason. So I don't log in I still have I still have hotmail for my xbox live account I still can't get it Microsoft now, isn't there no more hotmail? I I go to hotmail.com and it just goes straight to the outlook Busy, what's it? Why don't you just go to outlook.com then because my fingers know it as hotmail.com I've not retrieved you roger I You know what? I haven't embarrassed to say I didn't even know they did this. I didn't know there was an outlook.com. I had no idea So that's what I know. There's no shame There's no shame. I just never use it. I never have really I had an old xbox live thing with it That was it you don't use xbox live at all not now. I don't have an xbox. That's active I have two They they bounce the counter Bouncy account between I didn't I didn't get a one. So I just cancel it And it was a nightmare to cancel and by the way if you ever have like some special tom on like why instagram starting to suck I'd like to throw in a little bit on that Two months now they still can't get me logged into my freaking account And they are the worst people I've ever dealt with for recovery or keeping in touch They would reply with like We don't see any record of this. I'm like there's a nine mile email back and forth with me and somebody there What do you mean? You don't have any record of this as instagram. Yeah, it's bad. I mean it says facebook So maybe it's facebook, right and this was not a They're still focused on fraud prevention that they don't they get weird about helping people recover their actual Legit lost account. I think you're right And so because but there was no reset your passcode type thing. No, that's all good It's just that they run that through a mandatory two factor which sends something to your text, but it's not sending So everyone else have two factor on text with no problem comes right through zero issues Multiple phone numbers. It doesn't matter these guys It will not send to me no matter what and they can't seem to get that I think can't seem to figure it out. It's like guys I can't move the code until I get the two factor and your two factors not working not with me and you have the right number So what are you doing over there? Indeed, what are so frustrating? I'm so annoyed. I hit 10 grand a tit brand grand grand. Wow I finally hit 10,000 followers I thought okay cool and that was right around the time I got the new phone And then I had to log in again and then this started and I haven't had access since like end of november early december It's so dumb. That's awful. Yeah to instagram I'd be mad too. I am mad A bunch of my artist friends are leaving it. They don't like the platform their stuff gets De-emphasized with the new algorithm changes and they hate it. So they're like i'm just what are they doing? Are they going anywhere else or they're going to twitter and Um, and they may have already been there, but they're just they're just not going to use it as a place to Showcase their art the way they used to because it's just same same kind of issues So when this happened to me, I just started poking around and people like oh, yeah, you know, real desperation. I'm going to twitter. Yeah Exactly In their mind at least twitter lets people order and you know the way they want even they kind of have to jump through hoops to do it Um Social media, dude Rubbs my cheek I'll just rub my eyes now. I feel better. I'm good Anyway, yeah, so instagram if you're listening and you're not but if you were What the crap What the actual See yeah looking for my icq number I Ended up finding like okay. What's my oldest email in In my yahoo email account The oldest one I could find for the moment is from august 5th 2002 Which is a forwarded Goodbye message from greg drebin Who was the executive producer of tech tv? Wow? I remember him old-time school old-time school I was watching why I would have forwarded this goodbye letter to my yahoo account Maybe you thought that would he doesn't have his contact information. It does. Yeah You thought oh, maybe I might work with him in the near or distant future Maybe what's greg driven up to these days? I don't either Let's find out. Let's find out. Yeah Was any working at fuse I don't know Greg driven up the uvp of worldwide marketing at 20th century fox reported In february of 2018 Well Good for you greg And the picture they show looks like it's from 2002 He has an age today First time I ever talked to greg driven. He was like don't let that go up on chat again Okay I got a really nice note from him one night. I was I was staying late after screen savers Uh doing some web stuff and he just emailed me like You know like hey, I see all the hard work you're putting in keep it up Sort of oh, it's nice. That was nice. Yeah, anything happened to you. Just know that it wasn't me When you go missing They'll see this email and know that I didn't kill you. It'll defer a suspicion Please do not delete this email. I think I gave him a pair of jumper cables because he had a hard time starting his car Do you think you did or you did uh, I I know I went into a bunch of people I just didn't give him back seems like something you remember Well, I lent my jumper cables to a bunch of people that A lot of people I guess left their headlights on when they parked at the top Well back in the day before you know headlights went on automatically When I had my first Honda Civic I left them on all the time because it would be foggy in the morning You know and you needed them to you know do whatever and then I'd forget to turn them off My battery would be dead And it was a stick shift. So, you know, you go down the hill and you you know pull the clutch and That's a whole thing, but it's very Yeah, you got to find a hill, you know and maybe have somebody push a little bit Used to be used to be a big part of my life Getting that but and then you have to drive around for a while because if you don't drive around long enough Then your battery just dies again I have a folder on yahoo mail called plurk Oh Good old plurk. Uh, well, thanks speaking of plurk Thanks everybody who followed us on plurk back in the day And also thanks to everybody watching the video version of this show We hope you have a lovely time. Audio folks stick around. There's more to come