 ನочьর ರೀ್ಗ್ ಗಾರಾಕಽ್ಬೀದನ ಟೇಟಕೆನೇ. ಷೊರವ಼್ಲಾವ normalmente.ಮಮುಕೆ ಆನಾ BTJ magnificent ಕುಕೋಕ Responsable ᇚುವ್಴ges ಆನಡಡಹ್reg обяз mushroom ಔಲ್ಲೋಸ್ರೀಸಾ ಬಲೋ jogosಮರಗಳ made ಖಕರಯ ಮ಻ ತಾರಾಗಿಕ, న్ర్ప్ిఎసిం ల౜ికుమువ్చాందిందివ్న్చివ్పిదాత్ర్చిల్ప్కుమాసందిగాతపివర్చికుమాట్పకులికులిస్టిట్చాత్చా. צ Denis bullen the time to chat with Jedhip and I this, this evening. So, I would like to begin with just your personal association with East Bengal both as it was, as a player, as it developed. But before that, as someone who was following football as a youngster growing up, what was the impression that East Bengal left on you? And how did it fit in with your idea of football in India at the time. there is no doubt about it, and it was in 1969, the year was 1961, sorry 1961, and that year we had a bunch of footballers who were really of a very high standard, apart from Balram, Oruly Hosh, they were all there, but there were at least 5-6 new insults to Espegel Club that year in 1961, and our coach was under the guidance of Mr. Shushil Bhattacharji, he was a wonderful coach and a fine gentleman too, he built up the size of Espegel team in such a manner that we had a tremendous team spirit which was built by all of us with the efforts of all the players and also the coach Shushil Bhattacharji. So the very first match, from the very first match we started, you know winning, the first match was against the police, the second was Vienna, Vienna incidentally I tell you, that was my second match with Espegel Club, and I scored a goal, it was something of a, what should I say, magnificent goal as people say, because after having eluded past 7 people, 7 opposition defenders, I didn't know, I didn't, at least I could not, while I was playing, I could not see the numbers, I had dodged past, but I was told later on that it was 7 people I dodged past and then shot into the goal, it was just outside our penalty box, so I got the ball from Ramadhu, I started running, running and dodging past, about 7 people as I told you, I was told later on by the people, the supporters and the members, and after having eluded so many defenders, I could see the Vienna goal, just from the top of the box of Vienna club, and I took the shot, and by the grace of God it was a correct shot and I, thereafter I don't know what happened, you know, but then whenever I meet anybody, any Calcutta, not only anybody, any football lover, people of Calcutta, whenever they beat me at this age of mind, they refer to that goal that we can never forget that goal, against Vienna, you know, second match it was, and one after another we started winning matches, that is how we met Mr. Mohan Vagan in the first leg of league, and Balorau was in great form in that year, you know, Balram, Arun Ghosh, as I told you, and if you really forgive me, it may amount to saying something about myself, I was also in a good form, very good form, so as I told you, the team was wonderfully built by Shushil Bhattacharji, so when we met in the first match against Mohan Vagan, it was evenly played, it was an evenly played match, but Balram scored a wonderful goal by covering journal six top around Mohan Vagan's love, so wonderfully he covered and he left journal on his right, in his back, and he took a left footed right, it just entered the quarter of the day, through the quarter of the day of Mohan Vagan and that goal filled their fate, so which won the match, but the return league was something of a different tale, when we met in the return league we were on a path, on a path in respect of points, we had to win the match to steer us out, and our defender Arun Ghosh, he actually throughout the year played so well, what happened, you know, in any of the matches, just before the match we used to take a bath, we take a bath and then without talking with anybody, we used to dress up, that Arun showed up at the tent a bit late, and he was unlike his normal self, he was doing something which was not to the liking of other footballers, we couldn't follow why he was doing like that, but we could later on after the match we could follow why it was doing, he was doing like that, that match in particulars between Thurigoswabi and Arun Ghosh, 2-3 moves by Thurigoswabi after in eluding past about say 4-5 defenders of our club, he was confronted with Arun Ghosh, and Arun had a wonderful, you say, as a defender, he had certain distinctive points in his play, what he did in the very first move that Thurigoswabi was confronting him, just to deceive Thurigoswabi, he stretched his left foot, so that Thurigoswabi will try to elude past through his life, and it works so wonderfully, Thurigoswabi did that and he was pretty prepared for that, Arun Ghosh prepared for that and he just stretched the ball from Thurigoswabi, I mean Thurigoswabi, it was the identical move again in the same second half itself, identical move after about say 5-6 minutes, then this time Arun gave another thing which complicated matters for Thurigoswabi, he stretched his right foot, you know, and Thurigoswabi wanted to dust past him through his left, again he got stuck by Arun Ghosh, so it was a tremendous performance by Arun Ghosh, we won that match and on that day itself, we became the champions of this, champions of Calcutta Valley, and it was after long, long 8 years, the last time we played on where champions was in 1953, so that is how 1961 started. Yeah, Sugumadha, Sugumadha, I will ask you, I wanted to ask you one question which I am looking for. That is, that will be comfortable for me. See, you have played in East Wingall in a club at a time when East Wingall was not today's East Wingall, East Wingall were known as the club of the have-nots, if MohanBagan was a club of the have, who had all the things in the corridors of power, whether it is writers building or at the ruling party's office, I don't want to get you to explain, but East Wingall was known as a club, which is for the club, for the deprived club of the have-nots, clubs who have, people who have come from across the, because of the partition have come to this side of the country, so since you have played in both the clubs, I would like to ask you how was your impression about the general feeling of the fans in the East Wingall club, those days? Very good question, I was about to say that. In fact, as you said, after the partition, there was a tremendous extraders from East Wingall, I mean eastern part of India and influx of all the refugees to West Wingall and most of them lost their heart and homes and most of them got killed by Pakistani goods, in a number of cases, you know, so they were nothing, no life before them to look before, you know, that was, they were all suffering from a tremendous sense of frustration, at that time East Wingall were the beacon of light before them, you know, and East Wingall team were tremendous at that time, the forward line was, and backs were, Bhibhosh, Monkesh Bosh and Taj Mahal, Taj Mahal, S.Rai, Pulturoi, so many others, so that was the gleam of light for the refugees, you know, although it was very difficult for them to save a family, So, they were finding that some light was there before. And that is how they started you know absor guest manufactures to make themselves know that was the greatest blog, analogues to those people, and contribution of those people నినేరంప౅రాంతాంటినిషింధరంసంథమారిపనిసంపాంత౮ాడియకి సిర్మిసటిక్వడిక్టిసిసా. నినివాంచిదిఎరఇరిసా. పారంనినికురాంది. apart is why brotherism has been called a club up to Hussein bodies which are Cosmic�밀 has been called heads and so I would say వంభానультат మట౿నిని కిని. మన్నాకిను పక్ కు మాన్పిను పరన్త్రస్త్ని లకితు మ్ప్న్ పిమ్రడండి మాన్ౚరికు మి నాన్మనికికి. సంింనిని. � వరలాయె ఈవరినెటో కింట్చ్చక్చానెనాారినెనెట్. క్ట్చ్చాన్చామరిన్చ్చా. కింట్చాటికోచాంఎ. ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ' ڈ , rivaya  Budget র. র র র র র র র র র রidences in the last 40s or 50s, the position was the different. র র র র and that is why..... র র র র But I'll tell you one thing. I have continued saying this on any forum, on any occasion, that the kind of love that players receive from East Bengal fans and members and supporters టరకింద్చినినింద చౕట్ద్చికెట్పినిన్నినె. ఉన౩లెతార్చిసందామానెళ్కెన్టపెసందిటందిక్చింట్. but just before the appointed death, he came to Ishwagal Tech, Amit Khan, and asked for a blank check of the club's account from Jyotish Dha. Jyotish Dha was a little startled, but he didn't answer any question to Amit Khan because he knew that Amit is very cunning. He had something back in his mind, you know, so he got it. And the very next day, it was the appointment with Jyotish Dha and Manada. So accordingly, Amit Khan went there to Borbagan office in Dalhousi Square. So in the beginning, Jyotish Dha was very delighted that he was very happy that you have, after all, at the request of Manada, you have agreed to come to Borbagan club. But before that, he said, but before the deal is achieved, I would say one thing. He took out the checks from his pocket and put it on the table. He said that, I will ask Fahilal Manna to put area about here. And this would be a quick roco, you know. I will be signing for Mohan Baghan and Manna will be signing for Ishwagal. Is refreshing for us to hear over time when conversations around material gain were not the only focus. Now if you look at not just in India but around the world football, how it's going and how players go from one club to another. It's all about money essentially. But there are also the real consideration. How did first division footballers manage to then survive and continue their passion for the game? If, you know, things like salaries were so unstructured. No, you know, that time, money was not really that big a factor. At that time, although, you know, the players had one definitely advantage. Those who played well, they used to be provided by different offices, you know, banks and offices. Like, I got it which came back to India. And before that, Churi Goswami joined as probationary officer, so did I. I joined in 64. Churi Goswami joined in 1961. So the money that used to be paid, you know, from players like us who hail from very low middle class families. The money that we got, say, 4,000 or 5,000 or 6,000. And that had given the value at that time. That was utilised in a very wonderful manner. Like, when I got from 1961 from East Bengal Club, 3,500 rupees zero to start with East Bengal. I gave it, whatever I got, I used to give it to my mother. And my mother in return used to give a part of it, say 200 or 300 rupees to be paid, you know. So from that amount, you know, my mother, my father was definitely a sage-like person. He did not have anything in mind to make, you know, houses or something like that. But my mother was very clever in this. So she purchased a plot of land in Behala. With the money that I got from East Bengal Club in the very first year with that. That is how we players, coming from all middle class families, you know, got our, what should I say, our families stabilised in life, you know. Sir, what I wanted to ask you, what was the difference between Mohanmagal fans and East Bengal fans? Was the East Bengal fans more aggressive? Definitely. More impulsive, I would say. More impulsive, East Bengal supporters and members are more impulsive, don't doubt about it. And whenever they love anybody and anything, they go all out, you know. Mohanmagal also, but Mohanmagal, because of the tremendous, what should I say, glory behind them, which started from 1911, by which Yorkshire is efficient. They had a place of pride in every member and every supporter of the club, you know. So they used to take themselves as something superior to those of East Bengal Club, which is not a fact actually, you know. It should not be the fact. So, it is like that, you know. But once a player plays for East Bengal, he would love to continue with East Bengal only, I can say. Such is the atmosphere, such is the wonderful atmosphere, reverence between the officials and the players and that between the supporters and the members and the players, you know. That particular thing is all, of course, in Mohanmagal Club also, their supporters also go mad sometimes. But there is a degree of difference between what they do and what the supporters and members of East Bengal Club do, you know. My question was to you was, are you happy with the way the club is being run at the moment? Not really, not really. I frankly should tell you about the foundation day of East Bengal Club. While we played for East Bengal, we were not in the know of the foundation day of East Bengal Club, you know. But we all loved because it's a tremendously glorious organization, both Mohanmagal and East Bengal, and they used to be called arts rivals always. So, the thing which paid me very much, Mohanmagal Club will be joining ISL along with ATK and East Bengal, what to speak of getting a new, you know, financier, whatever the financier was there, you know. I mean, what is it they might forget? They lost it and they are still in search of an organization like that. And this really pays me and this is certain because I went through the paper and I have seen that that the joining ISL this year is almost or not almost disclosed. That will not happen in this year and that pays me tremendously because and not only me, it pays everybody, whoever is a football lover, a person in Calcutta, it pays everybody because they will not see their clubs, Mohanmagal and East Bengal, their choice of clubs and they will not meet in this tournament, in this ISL tournament. That is one very sorry part of it. Nobody is happy about it. No, my only last question to you was that what will be your message to the new age East Bengal Club and East Bengal fans? What will be your message as someone who has watched the East Bengal Club for the last 60 years? You know, as I said, it is very unfortunate that East Bengal Club has got only a place in ISL this year but I would only look forward to getting some financial at least to come forward to help East Bengal Club and I don't think the manner in which the club is being run now is to the liking of East Bengal supporters. You know, that has to be, there has to be with the financial. You have to be quite understanding, you have to be quite understanding who is financing the clubs affairs. So I have to have respect for them. Likewise, they have to have respect for the club officials and the club members and supporters. You know, if that thing can be achieved, I suppose although this year is very out of question to join ISL from the very next year, I suppose that that would be possible and my only wish and to the empty supporters of East Bengal Club to hold themselves with better breath, to hold themselves and to look forward to something very good coming from the next year onwards. On that optimistic note, Mr. Subhuma Samajpati, thank you so much for taking us to places which we have not even imagined. You know, when you were saying you close your eyes and it takes you back to those moments through your career and your time with East Bengal Even for us, I think listening to you, it took us back to at least, you know, because also for a new generation, whatever images we have of that time are largely in black and white. But if you close your eyes for you, it didn't happen in black and white. So thanks for bringing that to life for us somehow. Likewise, I thank you very much for having given me this opportunity to tell something about East Bengal Club in the club's sensory ear. So it is all grateful, I am grateful to you and it is a, you know, mutual respect between you and me and I am really thankful to you. I mean, I am indebted to you that you have allowed me to say something about East Bengal Club. It's fast, particularly it's fast and about the time I played at East Bengal Club. Thank you, thank you so much sir. Definitely and I think Jayaditha will agree if I say that the pleasure has definitely been all ours. All ours, absolutely. Absolutely. The pleasure was mine, you know, the pleasure was mine, really, pleasure was mine.