 Thanks for staying with us. Just before this time, we saw the quote of the day, and it was to take care of your body. It is the only place that we have to leave, and it was very, very deep. If I ask you a simple question, when was the last time you went to the hospital? I wonder what your answer would be to a lot of Nigerians who will be, No, I never go to the hospital. I'm never sick. It's just headache sometimes, and I take paracetamol, and that's the end of it. And to some people, if you tell them to go to the hospital, they will tell you that when I go there, they are going to discover so many things I don't want to hear. Would you rather just pass out even when you have the opportunity to correct whatever may be wrong in your body? So every once in a while, please do that check-up, no matter how small, no matter what about, but just do that check-up and make sure that your body is fit for the next day, because we don't want people just breaking down, just passing out, just falling down. And before we know it, they are six feet under the ground. A lot of things are wrong with us, and we have to be sure that we're taking care of ourselves. Let it not be said that it was our fault that whatever happens to us happens to us. Okay, it's time now to look at the papers. We've been joined by Mr. Tunde Kolaouli, a legal practitioner here in Lagos State. Good morning and welcome to the program, Mr. Kolaouli. Good morning, my brother. Thanks for having me. Good. Okay, we're looking at the papers this morning, and we're beginning with a Guardian newspaper. The Guardian newspaper begins with a story on seven states on Niger borderline. Bandit smugglers rain as sanctions hardship ground communities. That's the headline in the Guardian newspaper. It appears the sanctions on our sister country are affecting Nigerians as well as Nigerians. Well, that's the truth. Bandit trails become the trans-border issues in West Africa. And not even just West Africa alone, one can see almost all over the world. The borders have become so porous that all these bandits and criminals just move from one place to the other. And unfortunately for all of our people, the air force would appear to have broken them. Three of such countries came to Niger, and because of what? They have broken apart the rule out of the air force now. And so fighting these trans-border crimes and all that becomes a lot more difficult. But like somebody have said, when you look at the banditry that we have in this constituency, whether it be a banditry or a kind of a ruler banditry, you will find that they are also home grown, locally met. It's our people that are expensive for some of these things. Since the banditry is home grown and northern, we should be able to find home grown solutions to these trans-border crimes. Too many lives are being lost, too many properties are being destroyed. So much of the air playstyle among the people puts security in jeopardy because of the ruler banditry. So again too, it becomes a very serious challenge to the security of the group, whether they're doing the army, the media and what are they. So much of the air force that they are making seems not to be using the desired results. But I am of the opinion that we can overcome this, that Nigeria can defeat the banditry and then the nation will become new and then we will be able to move forward once again as a people. Okay, in both the punch and the Daily Trust newspaper, we have a kidnapping epidemic. Now that's what we're calling, it's an epidemic in Nigeria. Abductors demand 100 million for a kid to school children and teachers. And the rider is a police, NSCDC, a Motecun OPC Hunters, formed joint tax force arrest five suspects. The brazenness with which these people are demanding for money, it's terrible. 100 million for students, for pupils that were abducted. I don't know why they are so confident nowadays and they are doing what they're doing, asking for amounts of money that Nigerians ordinarily cannot raise. One last question you will recall that last week we discussed something along this line. That the kidnappers are the combat radio officials, that they even have notices in the community that they are coming to attack and abducting people. They also direct the people paying the ransom to go and pay into certain banks and water bills. So when kidnappers become that official and they can tell you and direct you to bring ransom to certain places and also go and pay into the bank and order. They must have been doing this because they know there's never going to be consequences. They will never be arrested. But they will never be punished for their crimes and water bills. And it begins to wonder, where is this obesity problem? Why are these people becoming aggressive and demanding? And then I can really find solutions to these problems and water bills. Like I argued when I should discuss this like this. I would want to say that unemployment is contributing to this, and you shouldn't be honest. You are not saying that because you're unemployed, you should take to criminality and war as well. Furthermore, it would be better if technology is also contributing. Why the security people are using technology to track the criminals and water bills? Those are engaging people. So the criminals are also deploying technology to carry out their nevarius activities. Of course, we also recollect that, as I argued, that the sensations like that the civilians are living, that the people's husbands are living, that the activities among those in the efficient footballers and water bills, who buy those toys and make that they are these mansions and advertise it on social media. It's foiling all this criminality like it happened. And also yawu yawu and then the money-making mutuals. So if you are going to come on top of all these things and others, it's really keeping happening. As well as to the gas to all the footballers who are meeting the task. They just haven't deployed. Policemen haven't deployed. The U.S. government just hasn't deployed and what have they? And what have they done? Eastern Nigeria security network has been found in some of these places. Still, they are unable to arrive at this horrible situation of kidnapping and insecurity. They are part of the U.S. They are required to have an holistic approach to creating jobs for people, also deploying more coordinate technology and others. And also engaging in youths in terms of civic education, in terms of the video education, in terms of educating their children on the need to disease of criminality and kidnapping. Because no matter how intelligent, no matter how smart you are, no matter how brave you think, sooner than later you are going to be caught when you are engaging in kidnapping and murder. The youth that we have to appeal to the youth to disembark from this period of time, we must also begin to engage the youth in such a manner that the devil will so find a job for the I do Han among our youth group population. The newspaper where we have a direct consequence of security or failure in security or insecurity in the country. So tuition fees hike imminent as private schools spend fortune on security. Now the schools themselves have to be the ones that will secure them and their pupils or their students. And because of that, tuition fees are likely to go up. Most of these things have the words may also, we could get at the work they are done, you are calling it that. Society is a chain. When one of the weak link in the chain is broken, I know that sooner than later it will affect all the other aspects of the chain. Say for example, this is a bandit, a group of bandit, for example. I mean, we could not have the say that it is going to have a very serious consequences, such as it is hard to include them in security. But that is the way things work out. We just want to make these issues full of insecurity so that the people can move forward and the people can begin to do or sleep with both eyes closed and we have the opportunity to move around, not just to go to farms, to go to schools, but to even travel around the country that we used to do. To recap, the schools are not aware that the schools are not spending the fortune on security. Say for example, most of them are not reading words, fences are not their schools. The implication of that is that the schools are, again, also becoming a prison and not a prison. In addition, we find out some of these could lie in stores. Security cameras, higher and deeper. Most security cameras are not there. Implications are very, very good. When you spend more money providing security, that will end up with the transfer of security to the school fees. The providers of those who increase the school fees are not there to be able to recover their money and then provide security to the children that are in school. So it is not a one-in-one situation for us as an individual. The security service models put on their thinking cap. And break this visual factor of insecurity. These are these are values that have been reached on our people. And we will not be able to break it onto the natural position, begin to have the change of mind. That some of the children do, in transition life they live in, the national resources, the lack of the natural resources that they are looking to themselves. They are able to enjoy our leaders and realize they are living. They must be ready to do some of these things. They must be ready to make sacrifices. They must also be ready to tighten their own belt, just like there is no one on the street to do. After all, the bandits are human beings too. And when they collect this money, they don't spend it in the bush. It is in our main thing, it is in the city, in the towns and the villages that they spend the money. That tells us that the bandits, the Kitapa, they are not good. They are human beings like any other person, like any other ordinary children, that we have them within us in our houses on the daily basis. Well, we have an arm of the NBA, lawyers also calling on the president to declare a state of emergency. Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Center, known as CISLAC, has called on the president to declare a state of emergency on security. We also have this headline still on the Guardian newspaper, which is saying that the Senate has summoned, once again, the security chiefs to a meeting. The Senate summons service chiefs over insecurity. So is this all doing any good for us? Every day that security chiefs are being summoned and summoned and summoned, we don't seem to see any improvement in the security situation. Is a state of emergency the way to go? I don't think so. When you declare a state of emergency, what are you? What means is that you are breaking the fundamental rights of the people living in the state of, in the environment, in the state of emergency, in the emergency as in declare. What you are doing is giving the security people the kind of escalating good powers for authority to deal with the security challenges they may be confronted with. And when the security people use their legal means and know that, most times, it becomes an entanglement on the right of the people. People will be killed. People will be detained or kept in custody without following the safe of law. And of course, so many other policing will happen when you declare a state of emergency. So I don't support it. And we are dealing with the private places of emergency in different parts of the country and other. And what we are doing is to amaze or provide a solution to the security challenges that we have in our land. I don't think that is the solution. And when you also look at the nature of the security channels that we have in there, they are not amenable to a state of security, I mean to a declaration of the state of emergency. We are talking about kidnappers who live in the bush. So when you declare a state of emergency, they are not. You will be declaring in the towns, in the villages, in the amulets, in the cities, they are not. You will not be able to declare a state of emergency in the kids' forests and with these kidnappers they will play a war on them. Rather, I would want to say a situation in which we are strengthening the identity book. We are already set to claim for more than two years now the children will have been battling the Bukwara with almost their hands, the kind of equipment that they should have, the kind of motivation that we should be given. We are not providing it for them. The difficulty for a human being themselves is not that. We don't expect them to go and start combatting or combat the kidnapper with their hands and then on them to stomach and war at them. Let's get our proper order to rise and war at them because for me, we are not getting it right here. We devote too much attention to politics, to politics and more of that. I almost made the next five years the rest of the nation has been suspended on speciality, I mean on non-policy. So if we deploy half of that resources to tackling insecurity, to tackling unemployment and war at them. To ensure that we have motley bulls all over the country and water. To ensure that we keep the children off the street and off criminality and water. I am sure we will be better for this as a people. It's important the security people, they are in the rural area, they are in the forest, they are in the city. They are on the roads, combat criminalizing the different parts of the country. In the south, they are losing their lives. So I suppose there are no marathons for criminals in those places. So if this is the case, the declaration of reserve agency is really not the solution. But to have a kind of a mystic approach is very, very important, a mystic approach to finding solutions to this criminality to finding to kidnapper that we have now in Nigeria. Imagine, two of us in the city who are brutally murdered this past one week. How do you pass on that? In those views of us, my God, we are not going near the children with ours. But we can now stop of us on the road kidnapping and killing. I'm the general. I'm the general for these commissioners and the IGs and others have also been kidnapped. Honestly speaking, what all this points out to is the failure. Nigeria has already manifested the failures of the failed state. And there we are at this situation the better for all of our people. Okay. Two other matters. Now, let's begin with Sign Executive Order on Unexplained Wealth and Dumetel's Tinubu. Let me combine that with something that a lot of people will see as some kind of gain. Nigeria ranks 145 on graph index call graph index scored 25 out of 100 points. Okay. So your comment on this it seems like we are moving up a little bit. But 25 out of 100, that is 25% of whatever assessment that is being used. What paper did you pick out? The Guardian newspaper is still on the Guardian newspaper. Nigeria ranks 145 on graph index. Take that again, take that again. Nigeria ranks 145 on graph index scored 25 out of 100 points. What? Well, we don't even need any information organization. We are lost where we stand in terms of corrosion in this country. I mean this is as the animal in the face. Like I said, what you require to do is look at the cost of contact in this part of the world. Cost of contact is higher than Nigeria when you compare to some other parts of the world. When you compare to some other other political countries when you compare to some other four countries and what have you. And it is generally the same material that is going to be used for this contact. So why is it higher than Nigeria? And again, to look at the kind of money that we are spending on the politicians that are on account of security boots and what have you. Not only my own understanding of the law is that whatever money is appropriated from the national resources is accountable. We are the governors, we are the local governments who are known. We are the vice presidents and the presidents are not. I've gotten the idea that the security boots are not accountable. This is my own imagination. At the end of the day, where you find out security boots, for example, in the high commission legalization of corruption between the rich and we look at the kind of money that are being done to verify information as we gather the poor citizens of the poor people in the country. Millions and millions of people from Naira. Money that is even higher than what you want to spend on the poverty for the people you say want to rescue from poverty. So, and then again this last week the chairman of the UFCC came out to say that some oppressors of the UFCC now take a bribe to frustrate the education software of the software. So, these are individuals that are carrying us in the state that are already here. And we don't need any international organization to really tell us where we stand. This is just a corruption transparency and it's confirmed much better. Most unfortunately and not there isn't say to say any point up to the say that things will change for the better in the Naira situation simply because businesses are nearly being done by politicians, by businesses, by people in the way and manner we have already been doing and which has put us in this kind of situation where we are found outside. It's indigenous organization across both. So, you subscribe to what Ndume is saying that there should be a law for unexplained wealth. He said sign executive order on unexplained wealth Ndume tells you agree to that? I don't agree with all this executive order in Naira. This is a hypothesis if you sign executive order and order on unexplained wealth and then the police will ensure compliance with the years that we enforce compliance the years that we enforce the compliance and order as themselves particular in the corruption and we will be able to enforce the executive order with regards to unexplained wealth unexplained wealth. Besides, we are not too good or we are not too comfortable in generated data and the easy data in this part of the world. How many of our businesses how many of the so called Ndume that we have can keep the adequate records of their business transactions and order? And even the few mechanisms that the machinery can deal with us to ensure compliance to get people to comply with unexplained wealth the answer is no. Most times when people steal money and pay the money on Ndume or misappropriation of public funds and all that some of these monies are not going to take it to the back for example most times they are trained to dollar fan selling and all that so in some ways that have been done in the private business of some people's homes and water and you will recollect we once had the situation in this country in the past one of the foremost technical sources and orders was sitting on billions of Nira dollars and water and when you see this man you hardly would believe or know that he is a billionaire he dresses in a rag with easy weight profile he flies the economy class and he is traffic and water but when he suddenly died and all that the cat was let out of the bag and then he's honest, plain waste that came into the into the open so executive order identity is the solution so in this country to really cut off with whatever they are culminating with in an unlawful manner the challenge has always been the enforcement of this law too many laws doesn't need to to comply when you make too many laws on the same issues are not people will begin to ignore those laws people will begin to talk with us because the impression you will take is that you don't know what you are doing and I've also said one thing in the past which I want to repeat another laws are not supposed to be a sacrificial for a kind of manual which everybody begin to carry around like a sacrificial like a Bible for behavior for relationship with people and water some of these issues are better handled morally and ethically than just making sure to confront all potential challenges that we have in our world it doesn't work that way okay labor is saying 200,000 minimum wage is no longer realistic what's your comment on that the committee has been set by the the presidency workers demand living wages as federal government on veils negotiation committee they use daily trust to say that tax minimum wage committee to dialogue in good faith but we are taking this story that is from the punch newspaper now 200,000 minimum wage no longer realistic that's according to labor what's your take well I agree with labor even if an employee is paid after a million per month to pay how does that solve their problem say for example the legal environment another in most parts of there are barriers like insolubility and water the human policy container goes for 70,000 per month so if a man in legal 500,000 per month who feels to pay transportation to make to do 10 people are dependent on him and Nora how would 200,000 solve their problem then take what has happened in the past heat and salaries have been increasing in this country has he ever solved the problem of inflation has he ever solved the problem of the people the answer is no because only a fraction of those who work for the government pay this minimum wage and many of them pay the other person who is not earning the minimum wage he is a petty trader he is a transporter and worker he also hikes because of these groups and practices he hikes inflation before the order of the day poverty is eliminated I want to see a situation in which we look at some other ways of solving the problems of people's wages not taking them home for example you can subsidize the schools instead of increasing school fees like the universities have a technical dream next for that cost them dam and water transportation one good thing the federal government did on the last salary they deployed the Nigerian railway to carry people to the south the nations and the khalkis in two of those buildings every child has been to school that uses the railway that uses public transportation like the PRC they will use those facilities free of charge or it will be sold to them as a kind of special education for children who go to school for all people in our needs and for the unemployed people you can also begin to create two bands we have people who are unemployed we have people in the Nigerian can have at least one good square meal in a day I am not talking about I am also not talking about the subuting one combo of rice for about 500 to 300 people and then you say them to and they say we could have the situation with some of these entries to be contracted you will have a special design special package a minimum certain two packages are not with some of these issues and now certain people will be registered in the food bank and then the federal government will say they are related to those food that goes to the entries depending on the number of people that have been listed with that situation the individual people in the site will get good and clean food and water that will also help those people the entries will help that food supply the chain and then of course to let's begin to subsidize agricultural inputs that the farmers are using we could also have provisions for the farmers to be able to buy farm equipment and equipment in a very cheap manner that kind of approach might be more helpful for the farmers and wages of the two civil servants that we have at the federal level at the state level at the local government level we heard that we are judging people in this country in which people just receive the money are taken by an electronics and then the cars and water by the time all the households got in queue with the electronics and knowledge they began to face the challenges of power supply when we did not plan for the power supply to really expand their plant and facilities to be able to cope with the high numbers of electronic gadgets of people who got increases in power and wages began to apply and installed in their homes well I agree with you that solution to the problem is not just increasing the minimum wage because at the end of the day you are increasing the minimum wage and the traders on the roadside are listening, the landlords are listening everybody is listening some of them are workers so they know when this minimum wage is increased and then it is just a fraction of the Nigerian population that works for the government that will be affected but now Naira plunges in the official market CBN wants forex dealers to combine that with the fact that IMF foresees weaker growth I'm sure for our economy so Naira keeps plunging and we were told that whatever policies have been done have been put in place will make the Naira stronger and stronger it's now going and some people are looking at the fact that maybe before the end of this year we are going to have Naira to a dollar 2000 Naira to one dollar and it's an indication that it is going to be a lie at the end of the day we are going to reward Naira I'm sorry I'm being pessimistic it's going to reward Naira we are now noticing this is a basic economic theory that when 12 goods and services are changing the large volumes of money what you get is a kind of inflation it also tells us that what determined the sense of emissions quality it is a productive base the number of goods and services that we provide in that environment in that country look at the number of companies that have left in a year that have talked about and which facilities have been taken over by the churches and what have you just imagine the number and what have you the companies that are leaving Naira and shopping and their plan manufacturers are not taking place and what have you how are you going to send in the value of Naira this much I will beat my imagination the fact my solution is that if you are not careful sooner than later in a very short while the Naira will become like the Zimbabwe dollar in which one you want to buy ordinary tomatoes you have to go to the market to buy the Zimbabwe dollar to be able to buy ordinary tomatoes and that is beginning to happen in the billionaire a house where one company not long ago has a basket of tomatoes in the northern part of the country where tomato is sold is now sold for thousands of Naira in that part of the world when you go to the legal market or the other market the situation may not be different so the prediction that our growth rate is going to be about three percent is coming in this year in northern it's not perfect it's not important if we go to work than that if no effort has been made or if we are not making serious effort to relay resources to revitalize to kind of ignite the productive base of the Nigerian economy and what is the productive base manufacturing agriculture mineral resources exploitation beneficiation and sales in the international market and of course to diversification of the energy needs of the country we need to also begin to embrace the new energy speciality energy sources instead of these it also depends on food we do things sooner than later we also let technology go that nobody wants to have anything to do it it's the world bank or any of these other agencies don't need to tell them these are things that we already know but if we already know what are we doing to ensure that the growth rate in Nigeria does not remain the same that Mandakara don't start starting on their plans and leaving the country this is what we should be addressing the horrendous time as much as the 70% to 50% of the national economy on the politics and you are not going to know what is of no value for any GDP in the nation's economy I wonder where we are headed and we are hoping that we are going to get to the destination we will all be proud of now we have a daily trust airlines differ as CBN claims forex backlog cleared with 64 million dollars we had this time that we were told that this backlog was cleared and we thought that was the end of it but right now airlines are saying it's a different story they have the inside story is the CBN telling lies or they are telling half truths are the airlines being greedy and also are they the ones that are telling the lie I don't even know what it is right now because it's affecting our economy as well they are like putting up and telling lies they say you know it all you say is know it all they are the people who are thinking them so if your creditors can look contrary to what you are saying I am not being paid the backlog of the money that you are holding I don't think the airline could have been lying or telling the nation or the Nigerian people a different story most times when people in government speak they speak with the truth of the DC it's not something that they hope to the people now when you let the people know some of these things it could lead to despondency and also let the people listen to it in the entire system but sometimes it is better to be honest with the people to let them know what is really happening they would get ready for the summer that they are likely to go through because when you lie you know that later people will say if a liar has been lying or on your travel for a thousand years most times you say just one day just one week for the two to catch up with it and if they see the answers hello Mr Kola Wale we we must also address the very difficult task of letting people know the reality of what is happening with regard to the economy with regard to politics and with regard to security okay the second to the last headline I'm willing to take on this segment will be from the Federal Capital Territory wiki approves 30.9 billion naira for rehabilitation of schools you are laughing that's another we just talked about the cost of contact in this part of the world billions to the obligated schools when you say you are obligated schools you are not saying you are building a new world know what you are saying and what you are saying in this thing you need to provide a better or get a newer furniture than water and then the creeps are delighted is that what we are spending billions of naira to do and then you ask yourself how many schools actually exist or do we have in a video of the Federal Capital Territory in terms of secondary schools in terms of primary schools in terms of education in my humble opinion there may not be more than what you have in two or three local governments and they go to for example so we are going to be spending that much naira we are not sure to merely do renovations and that kind of extension I am not saying that we don't have to remove the schools all the schools in the Federal Capital Territory that we have seen on television and in pictures and others are all in batches when the schools in our video of the Federal Capital Territory to be a model for all the other spaces of the education and whatever at least thinking of the education of those schools that the children will no longer have to stand still under the trees and then they will have to be there to share they will have to be there to share to stop them there will be things that are quite different of the people but then I would want to say that spending some of the money of that nature of naira renovation to be desired we can do better than that 30.9 billion ok let's take the final headline here 20 years after 26 states failed to implement new pension scheme the riders are federal government private sector employees benefitting experts urge governors to enroll workers and then pension funds hit 17 trillion naira 26 states failed to implement new pension scheme what do you have to say about that sorry where did you put that so what part did you put that ok that's daily trust daily trust 20 years after well well 20 years after to implement new pension scheme really challenge all the while why is the state that is locked down to implement the pension scheme this is my imagination why do I say this the new pension scheme is because the new pension scheme in which it is not like the mutual benefitted scheme that we have in the past or the defined benefits scheme that we have in the past a worker, a percentage of the workers will be taken from the worker and then the government will also put some cantapas from their needs and then they will be sent to some pension managers and all that in the country to manage and invest and then when somebody retires they are paid from there but to find that even when this money are deducted from the worker salary the local government the state government is another and not to them listen to the pensions that this is a provider all over the country in fact in the past the federal government and the state government have been playing and some of them have actually been given the name in which the state this money and then begin to put it in the corpus of the state in the local government and then begin to spend the money so to say on providing for the people so that when some of these workers retire and then desire for them to begin to draw their pensions and water there is no pension service provider to fall back on their water simply because the state has not been limiting their cantapas and they have not been limiting the funds to the service provider and you know the news pension schemes like an insurance if you take an insurance policy and you are not paying your piano but at one day or another by the time they are making the insurance came much further than water though if you go to the insurance provider and then you not begin to between your money and water but you come back with an empty hand so let's talk to the state the local government the federal government the new pension scheme is easier to implement they should abide by their own laws they should abide by their own proposal they should implement these schemes so that when people leave their jobs and retire and they are all there when the landlord can work they won't be thrown into the abject poverty and on time later that this is how to implement the pension scheme as the current each of the old pension schemes was not in the digital state what activities the government across board does not have not to implement the new pension scheme the new pension scheme corruption and the lethargy and the bureaucracy and who is going to ask us to account for this thing is at the bottom of all these things and it is not fair and imagine what the politicians do for four years they are going for eight years and when they are leaving they are located themselves which is their own packages which is their own packages which is their own packages which is the retirement scheme in terms of all the retirement and laws that can be made in all the states for the governor, for the deputy governor and some other public officers who really start for four years and for eight years so why can't the ordinary worker at the local government at the federal level be cheated in a similar way yeah well eventually this is where we are going to wrap up today it has been a pleasure as always having you join us this morning thank you for your thoughts on the headlines thanks for everyone okay we have been talking with Mr. Tunde Kola the practitioner here in Lagos state we were X-raying the headlines on some of our national dailies we will take a break and when we return we will be talking with our guests on our hot topic this morning Nigeria records improvement in press corruption perception index under Tunde Kola