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Don't regret anything I've ever done in my life, but literally. If I regret what I've done, I ain't who I am. Do not waste the greatest, greatest years of your life with those beautiful young children that I'm sure you adore having on your knee and kiss a good night and reading them a story and doing all of that and all the fun and laughs and batteries and everything don't waste them by being behind the door. I went from burglinking cars to armor breeze to anything and everything and I was all met via prison. If you continue to antagonise, there will only be one winner and it won't be Danny Sims. And let me tell you why I prevented it, right? And this is no old spot here right then, okay? It's about half hour when I do it. Boomer on! And today's guest, we've got a belter for you. We've got a corp v robber. Everybody knows Danny Simpson, zero fucks given mentality, kind of man you love to hate, but as I've said before, I agree with absolutely nothing. Danny does just to put that out there, but I still love him a bit. So we've also got Peter Blakesley, 20 years, over 20 years, copper undercover, very high ranked and respected in the police force. First and foremost guys, how are yous? Do you want to go for it? Well I'm very well, thank you. Nice to meet you, Dan. Nice to meet you too. How does it feel, Danny, to be sitting across from my corpora? He's the famous one, so I don't, yeah, it's alright. Have you seen some of Danny's stuff? I have, but I just want to make it clear. I don't have a Warren card, alright. I left the old bill a long, long time ago. Sorry, it fully agrees with what I do. Yeah, actually gets that percentage. I don't know what to say. Well I've brought older with me, I don't know. I feel it. Right, yeah, no, of course not. But yeah, no, I did watch your previous podcast with James. In fact, we don't live a million miles away from one another. Really? Yeah, and I'm kind of surprised. No, I'm actually scared. I want to put my skin on it. He knows where I live. Yeah, I'm surprised we haven't bumped into each other in blue water perhaps. Not that I go there often. That's my favourite words to cover when they're beating me up on the floor. When you are your family in blue water, make sure you've got the same energy. Yeah, or Bixie Ease, for example. Alright, don't let everyone know I live. No, you dropped your previous post. Right, this thing, I don't get anything. They'll do nothing. How would you deal with something like Danny back in the day? Well, if Danny came across my radar, it would have to be for serious and organised crime. Well, I am a serious criminal. I've done my homework because that's what most of my career was dedicated to. And it would all depend about the criminality that we thought it was involved in. And then we would set about a plan about how we were going to investigate it. And if he was committing such crime, then gathering the evidence, arresting him, getting him in front of a cult. And there's many, many different ways to skin a cat. Some of which perhaps we'll talk about. And some by way of advice, I would like to impart to you. Yeah, just by way of sort of... I don't commit crime no more. No, no, no, just by way of keeping you out of jail, rather than seeing you going into jail. Because everything you've said about your kids and all of that, how important they are to you, you know, you ain't going to see them grow up if you'll be on the door for a long one. No, I won't. So Danny's very anti-authorised, he's very at the forefront. Like, as a zero fox, we give him mentality. That's where I think a lot of people love it as well, as much as hate, because it's like a gamer cat and mouse constantly with the corpors that... Why are you so anti-authorised? Just obviously my treatment that happens with them. Does that make sense? Like the way they come and treat me. Obviously that's, then I'm like, fuck you, does it? Do you feel as if you antagonise them though? Yeah, yeah, of course I do. I wind them up. But at the end of the day, when there's, you've just been battered by 30 of them, what are you going to do? You can't go to the police station and start doing round-motes and talcregans. So it's like, I'll antagonise them through social media. Wind them up, put picture of a steering wheel, do this, do that, knowing full-world that they're going to round them up. Do you know what I mean? Can you build up a case through that? If he's taking pictures of steering wheels, is that just a case of there's not enough evidence? Winding the police up would not be something that would have landed on my desk. He's way up! It's not serious organised crime. That's probably for the local cops to have to deal with. But on that note, there is a point here. And let me just speak in... I'll get that right in a minute. Fucking, can we do that again? Let me talk in hypothetical terms, if I may. And this is based on truth on what's happened in the past. If a criminal, and I'm not calling you an active criminal, if an active criminal gets to a point where they are perceived as being a threat to the fabric of society, for example, they've got such a reputation, they've got so much wealth and they're believed to have such power and influence over other people, then there comes a point when the cops will go, enough is enough. We simply have to take this person down. And I'll give you a true life example of that, if I may. A name that might be familiar to you, Joey Pyle. He's no longer with us, Joey. And he's a bit before your guy's time, perhaps. There was a detective chief superintendent that I worked for who was utterly obsessed with Joey Pyle with some justification. And he was determined to see Joey Pyle take the tumble. Absolutely determined. And when I say take the tumble, I mean go to prison. And he made a case to very, very senior ranking police officers that Joey Pyle had hit that level where he was a threat to the very fabric of society, like the craze became back in the day, like the Richardson's became back in the day. And of course, what happened to all of them? They went to jail because you hit that level as a crook. And once the old bills say, right, too much power, too much influence, too much wealth, they've got to go, then the establishment will give the police all the resources that they need to ensure that that happens. And that's eventually what Anthony Joey, albeit he got banged up, not for the crimes that we actually thought he was committing, but for something else. But that old phrase, if I can't get you for a sheep, I'll get you for a lamb. Could they possibly set Danny up if they can't get him for anything big? If he hit that bar, now not set him up as in fit him up. Those days, fortunately, are by and large done and dusted. Legislation has seen that. No, they do actually still try it. Yeah, but not in the way that would have happened all those years ago when we saw like the Birmingham Four and the Guildford and all those kind of major, major kind of subs. Yeah, essentially, yeah, which were shown out eventually for what they were, where people have been fitted up. You've got things like the Police and Criminal Evidence Act now and RIPA, the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act and all of that, which are great things because they've by and large stopped people getting verbaled in an interview and that kind of stuff. So no, but if Danny hit a level where he actually was a threat to authority, yeah, then they would have to do something about that and I'll tell you how if you want to know. Yeah. Okay, well, first and foremost, they'd apply to do covert surveillance on you, right? And believe you me, the best surveillance teams, the specialist surveillance teams, you will not see them. And of course, with modern surveillance techniques, there is so much that can be done technically now. Yeah, literally. For example, you know, we would plug up around a corner of your house and hack your Wi-Fi, right? So now we're into your smart TV, we're into your Alexa. There's no need to get into your house when you go on holiday and plum it up. You know, with cameras and video and audio, like we used to in the old days, we would just hack your tech, find out what car you're driving, hack the telematics. I know, I know that one. So we haven't got to lump your car up anymore. In the old days. In the SOSA, where's the car? In the old days, we used to have somebody, have to crawl under the motor at three o'clock in the morning and literally put a magnetized tracker tucked away in the way under the car. On one famous occasion, the keys are rumbled, and posted it back to Scotland Yard in a jiffy bag saying, I think this is yours, you know. But now, of course, if you can hack the telematics of your car, there's absolutely no need to do that kind of thing. And they can listen in. Yeah, exactly, because through that hack it. And it's the same with your smart tele, your Alexa, anything else that you might have in your home. I actually watched that on your program. Right. And that's when I was like, fuck. Like everything. The answer, baby monitors, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like with the cameras, and they can just get into everything. I was like, and they don't even have to go into your ass. They could do it all from outside on the computer. But that is not going to be done for... Nothing, yeah. A driving mod is going to be done. A common old guard of criminal. Yeah, it's going to all be done for this guy driving. But it will be done if a criminal reaches that level where they are a fundamental threat to authorities I've previously described. And of course, if the cops don't have the expertise that they need, they are very close friends with the Spooks. And believe you me, they do. Yeah. Did you have a lot of informants working back in the day? Yeah, of course. Bread and butter. You're seeing Danny's just doing videos and saying, look, I've just ripped this guy off for 100 grand, 200 grand. Is there anything the cops can do with it? Or is it just a case that's done to him? Well, Danny and his suitcase of bricks and all that kind of stuff is pretty much crook v crook. But that took me back to my undercover days. Because of course, you know, I was pretending to buy large parcels of gear, drugs predominantly, albeit I bought firearms and lorio's of stolen trainers and plotted a murder of people and all that sort of stuff. But if I'm going in there looking to buy a large parcel that a criminal's offering me, you know, then of course I'm not going to take that suitcase. I'm going to have a proper nose in it because I don't want, you know, get mugged off with snide gear or something that ain't gear. Has an undercover copper ever been burnt? Let's see, you come across Danny, you made a deal. And then before you say you fucked off, you thought, right, I've got him here, about a case. You look in the bag and it's full of bricks. I did. I did towards the end of my undercover career when my mental health was failing because I was living in the witness protection program and I was still expected to work undercover and I was gradually bit by bit falling apart. I went to Manchester to do a trade into the heart of Moss Hill, you know, sitting down with utter lunatics and all of that. Lined up to do a small trade for about three grand. It was a kilo of puff and an ounce of cocaine. When we rocked up at this services, there was Mr Nutty bastard who I'd met before and he was the man with his pal and they all made a point of letting me know they were carrying firearms. And everywhere I went, there was like spotless, spotless, spotless, you know, and I was right, kind of like in the lion's den, so to speak. And I didn't check the parcel, I just took it because I just wanted to get the hell out of there. I just wanted to get away. So I gave him the three grand, took the parcel. By the time I'd settled down a bit on the M6 and I checked it, it was a moody parcel. But, you know, if I'd fronted him out that day, if I'd gone, hang on, this is Snide, you're trying to mud me off here, I pretty much doubt I would be sitting here telling you the tale. So you can still get Nick for that, though, can't you? Well, yeah, you could have done, yeah, because he's making the offer. Making the offer to supplier and all that kind of stuff. But there's no point disclosing the undercover operation for the sake of it. And it's probably going to fall apart, because juries don't like uncomfortable messy cases like that. You know, a jury wants, you know, that's what you plan to do, that's how it went. It happened, yeah, we've got the gear, we've got the people in the dock. It's a lot tidier, and juries are going to be more likely to convict. How's things been, Danny? Obviously the last two years, your names kind of have been everywhere, your videos have been viewed, moments of times, like, you're still out there doing your thing, like, is people still willing to do deals with you? Didn't you say the one that just went about recently? No. The geezer sent me underground for watches. Like, literally, I'll post it like this thing, saying watches half price, and he literally sent me 100,000 pound of Bitcoin. I was like, wow. Some idiot from Bournemouth, like, honestly, I'll post it up, he's in the showers, like, I might have to send you my life savings, but hopefully I'll get the watches. You're not going to get no watches, but... So, yeah. So, what was that, a fake website? Yeah, just an Instagram, made an Instagram, said for everything half price, and literally bumped one person in every bit of the country. How much did you make? Really? Well, he was underground, and then, obviously, there were Serrons that sent five grand, so half price of that, two or not, 2,500 pound, I probably sold 10 of them a day for about fucking a month. So, oh, I don't even know. It was me and another kid, and I probably walked away with like 300 grand. How do you feel when you hear stuff like that, Peter? It's not a case of how I feel. It's a case of any old bill watching this out, eh, my friend? You know, they're in the wrong job. And they're thumbing through the law books, going, there's a crime there somewhere. There's a crime there somewhere. Get the lawyers. There's a crime here. You know, yeah. It kind of brings me back a little bit to what I was saying about if you become a threat to the establishment and to authority, and I was talking about the surveillance team, just rewind a little bit if I'm, you know, if I would. You know, I'd get them, as we would say, you know, to be up your ass for a week, right? Or a month, and have a look at your pattern of life. Establish pattern of life. Okay, so then, the surveillance after a month doesn't actually see you going over the pavement, you know what I mean, with a balion and salt enough, right? But it sees that you seem to have no legitimate way, or this fictional criminal, I should say, has no, has no, yeah, no legitimate means of income. So that whole pattern of life shows that lifestyle exceeds income. Right? So they go, right, should we do it for another month or not and whatever the decision may be. What the cops would do if they could not establish any sufficient evidence, and there's many other ways that they might try and do that. Of course, you know what they might do? Go and see their friends at his majesty's revenue and customs. In other words, the tax man, or the tax woman, or the tax person, you know what I mean, right? Go to the tax authorities and go, right, get on him, get all over him, like a rash. What tax does he pay? And of course, that's a tactic as old as the hills, because it brought down Al Capone. But it's still a very powerful weapon. If you can't get somebody banged up, but you can make them skin and make their lives an absolute misery, that's still a very useful tactic in terms of bringing somebody off their perch. What would you do if you got a big tax bowl? No, I wouldn't have bought a really good company with all the bad money. I wouldn't have bought a really good company and now I pay taxes. Like, I could have a job today for £30,000. I could say pay me in cash, and I could put the other money through the bank. I've got a tax rebate now for like £56,000. So if he's getting tax rebates, if he's buying and selling motors, then there's nothing up with that either. As long as he's legit and terrific, you know what I mean, we want people paying taxes. You know what I mean? Roads, hospitals, armies, schools, all of that has to be paid for. Absolutely. So if you're legit and you're selling lots of bagels and you're letting lots of properties and all of those are all legit, and you're paying your tax and you've got a proper straight accountant that's looking after all your financial affairs for you so that the tax man can't find a floor in what you're doing, what's not to like? Literally. So if Danny's antagonising police and stuff, but it doesn't give the police right to beat anybody up like they agree with that from what they've done? Of course. Of course. You know, I'm firmly against violence. There are of course times when the police have to use physical force, you know, when it's justified and when it's necessary and when it's proportionate and all that kind of stuff. And sometimes, of course, they have to use the ultimate force which is squeezing that trigger and killing someone. You know, Dan back in his robin days, if you go even further back to the sort of 80s and mid-80s, in the Met particularly, the Flying Squad were very good at capturing people on the pavement actually committing that crime and consequently quite a number of armed robbers got shot dead. Yeah, my mate did. He'd done an armed robbery in Elton and as they come out, he was the driver around the corner and as obviously the robbers come out, the police was just as McDonald's workers and bus drivers. They've swamped on robbers outside there but obviously they knew the car was around the corner. They've gone around there, stop, stop, stop. My mate's literally looked up and shot him straight in his face and he went through his jaw and went literally out his mouth. Do you ever worry that could happen to you? When I used to do armed robberies, I honestly thought, I've always said I'll never live past my 30s but obviously when my brother got 12 years in prison in 2013, as I said, that's when I turned, and the tried an officer said to me at call and I remember it clear as day, it was Maystone Crown call and he looked at me and he went, you're next. And I walked out of the call and I said, I'll never, ever, ever do an armed robbery again. I actually have never done a robbery like government, like banks, post offices, whatever. Never done one again. Never touched one. Obviously the police force banked me. It was ruthless. Nowadays you've got the coppers dancing and the kingdom making a show of themselves that what do you think about that sort of stuff? I'm firmly against police officers dancing on duty. Like I'm firmly against them painting their cars in dainty colours and holding flags of whatever minority group or nation it might be. I don't think that's got any place in policing and I've been very vocal on social media about that and I've attracted a fair amount of criticism. As a result of that, but it's not all to my standpoint, one little bit and never will. Just to rewind a little bit, if I may, back to the old robbery and particularly in the 80s when, as I say, a number of armed robbers were getting shot dead. That coincided with so many, because armed robbers used to be the highest echelon of criminality in the 70s and the 80s. They were the people that were respected by the old bill, but who were ever more determined to take them down. Capturing a team of robbers on the pavement was a proper bit of graft. But of course in those days we were just seeing the influx of so many drugs coming into the country, particularly the cocaine explosion of the sort of mid-1980s and so many people would do a blag, you know, do a robbery, get themselves a joey full of scratch, a bag full of money, and they'd go, well, are we going to risk going on the pavement again and potentially getting shot? No, what we'll do is we'll invest that in a whole load of gear. And of course that is really when so many armed robbers morphed from robbery into drug dealing. How you dealing with it all, you know, social media attention and obviously it's, like I say, it's not a bad guy. You've been sitting here, he's a good guy, I've always says it, but obviously I don't agree with a lot of shit he does, but he's got a good heart man and I would never need him for anything, but I believe if I was to phone Danny, he'd be there with no questions asked, like how do you deal with, like the social media presence and because then, like you say, if you've got over 100,000 followers, if you've got videos viewed millions of times, you become a likable character as well, no matter if it's negative or positive, because I know we've spoken about mental health, the first two podcasts, but you seem quite candid there, but how are you dealing with it? Kind of social media side of things? Well, I get deleted every week, so I have to boot it back up. Why? I just obviously hate it. People just report, report, report. In six months, I think I'm on my fifth Instagram. Like, it's just, Instagram elitids, like, what can I say? Can police shut accounts down? I have frankly, no idea about that to be honest with you. Yeah, just a little bit, yeah. But it's kind of, you know, that sparks that whole debate, isn't it, about whether the police should be policing social media? No, they do, because I've been saying, so basically, I had a court case every month, and all that was going on about is my social media. I'm having my drama now with social services, because of all of this, and that police have just, all they're going on about is my social media. Like, I went on to do my kids at my little girl Paris every day for a birthday. So, services meeting today. All they're talking about is I was in Paris with my kids. That police have sent these pictures of me and my kids. So, they're just stalkers, you know what I mean? Do you regret some of the videos you've done in the past? I don't regret anything I've ever done in my life. But literally, I regret what I've done, I ain't who I am. So, I've not. So, obviously, Danny's wearing out a present in children's homes. No, no, no. Danny, do you see the patterns when you're working in the police force understanding like the kids coming from broken homes and then going to prison for a very young age and then becoming who they are as adults? Of course, there are many people with challenges in adult life and also those involved in crime that have what they call adverse childhood experiences. You know, Danny getting his feet broken by his dad with a pool cue is very much an adverse childhood experience and you are going to come out affected by that. No matter what, of course it's going to affect you. My father was particularly vicious and unpleasant and nasty and that had an enormous influence on me for many, many years. I eventually got over it. You know, he left home. I met up again with him 20-odd years later. Got the answers to the questions that have been gnawing away inside of me. I was fortunate enough that as a puppy, basically, when I was 17-year-old, I went into the police cadets so that kind of thrashed the ill-discipline, the anti-establishment kind of attitude because I'd been a nightmare at school and all of that and that thrashed that out of me and quite possibly saved me from going down a very different career path. But now, as I get older, even though our career paths have been at the opposite ends of the scale, I'm now unashamedly going to sound like an old uncle here, because here I am, right? He's actually my uncle. That's why he gets over here. 30-odd years ago, I wasn't married, but I'm willing to do a DNA test because I'm not his uncle. I feel like I should have a cardigan here and a mince pie in front of me. It should be Christmas Day amongst a couple of young gentlemen and I should be dispensing life advice, or not maybe, but here we go. You have so much going for you. You're personable, you're sparkly, you've got a sense of humour, you love your kids and all of that. When I was about 40 years old, I went out for a drink one night, got drunk, woke up, and do you know what? Before I knew it, I was 60 because time goes like that. You're looking amazing and look at that friggin' over by old drinkly geyser. No, I actually agree with you because I remember I was in Belmarsh and I was in the gym and I was doing deadlifts and I was literally just ripping him up, ripping him up, and the gym guy said to me he went, you want to be careful because the second you get one day over 25, it's all going to go too quick, you're going to get injuries, you're going to get this. I was like, yeah, whatever mate. What happened? One day over 25, broke my leg. A couple of weeks later, I broke my arms. And boom, I'm 33. I'm like, fuck. I remember yesterday being in that gym and a geyser said to me, when you get over 25, you won't be doing that. You'll be 50 and 60 and a granddad before you know where you are. Do not waste the greatest, greatest years of your life with those beautiful young children that I'm sure you adore having on your knee and kiss a good night and reading them a story and doing all of that and all the fun and laughs and batteries and everything. Don't waste them by being behind the door because you can't get to see them. That's what my little boy, he's like 10 now and I've literally probably for about five years probably missed by being in jail. And like now going to secondary schools I'm like, this is going a bit quick. When he was a baby, now we're choosing secondary schools. What happens after secondary school? You love going down one road or one road. It's like fucks. Going so quick. Do you worry for your kids that because of your social media presence and videos that are out there that they go down the same road as yourself even though you're trying to prevent it? My little boy, no. He's so polite. When he was younger he used to be a menace. Honestly, he was just so naughty. I was just like, wow. He's going to be like me, you're worse. But now he's coming here but now I'm like, look at my little girl that I've got to lie on. I'm just like, you're going to be worse than me. Shit, I'm in trouble. And where she's only 18 months, I'm 32. So when she gets to say, I'm going to be an old fart, do you know what I mean? I'm all four, like my daughters are not having a boyfriend. But these little youngsters, when I'm fucking 60, they're probably going to be to shit at me. Trust me, they will. They will have boyfriends, right? Sorry, the old fart's got the mic again, right? They will of course have girlfriends, but you know what? The better you raise them, dare I say it, I think the likelihood of them bringing home a nice fella is increased substantially. Yeah. And at the end of the day... But then again in this world now that we're living, is there nice... obviously girls, is there nice boys? I feel like it's just and cams, girls, and it's just showing them all the wrong stuff. My Nan and Granddad was together from the age of 15 to when my Nan died last two months ago. So that seems like it doesn't happen no more. There are many, many wonderful young people out there. My two youngest are only 20 and 21, right? And they're both at uni. And of course any chance I get to go up to uni and go out and make myself an enormous embarrassment to my kids, I will, you know? We go night clubbing, we go out having a drink and I love just being surrounded by these bright, articulate, lovely people. There are millions of them out there, you know? And they don't have to... these kids don't have to live their lives on social media. You're their dad, you can limit it, ration it, you don't sack it. I'll just try and let them do what they want. I always believe on they will make the right choice. And I proved to my babe mum before, she's like, you can't just let the kids do whatever they want. That's just not on they're going to grow up and be brats. And I turned to my little boy, I went do you want to go to school today? And he turned man, I went, yeah. I went, there you go. Let them make the decision and they'll make the right decision. If they try and go to the wrong decision, you just lead them back into the right decision. But I always believe, let them make the decision. And it's worked, you know what I mean? I've got good babe mums who will pull out respectful and don't have anything to do with my side of life. And they literally bring the kids up perfectly. So I actually don't have no worries in that. Well, long may that continue because apparently it's the most important job in the world. See with your past and stuff and the stuff that you say that you do, do you ever worry that you could come back and affect your kids or their baby mums? What, like someone retaliating to them? No, because I'll do the madness. Like, literally. When does it ever stop then, Danny? When does what I do? I actually don't do anything normal. Obviously I've done that thing the other day, but apart from that, I don't... I don't think someone's going to put it on the plate. Then they're going to put it on the plate, but yeah, I don't know. I don't go out looking for it intentionally. I don't go out now looking to, as you would say, rub someone. Do you know what I mean? I've got my businesses kicking back, being a family man. Hey, Jacks. Pants actually. Do you think guys like Danny can change, Peter? Well, if you're kind of seen over the years working with certain criminals and people making changes, does it happen? The biggest transformations I've seen amongst people who have chosen a life of crime is when they've had a long sentence. Say, for example, they've had a 20-wrap round them and they've done 10 or 11. Because then the prison authorities have been able to do some real work on them. And they have had so long banged up that they've appreciated that they don't want to come out and go straight back in for another long one. So I don't think that short sentences, generally speaking, are just a waste of time. Yeah, but you say that. I've been in prison since basically 2005 to basically 2018. But I know you say short sentences and whatnot, but I also have got a five and I've got a two. Literally, from 2005 to then prisons don't actually do anything. Unless, of course, you've got a 20, right? And then you go to them, there's personal jowls. Absolutely. And then, of course, some of the services that are available, the courses and the learning and the work that the prisoners can do on themselves. That real deep-seated look yourself in the mirror of proper learning. I've experienced the people and I've met people that have done that and they've come out. They've also got a trade while they've been banged up, which has been another beneficial side effect of doing a long sentence. And they come out terrified and they can set themselves up and they go straight into a legitimate business and they have absolutely no reason whatsoever to go anywhere near criminality ever again and fair play to them. Those people have my utmost respect because I believe we should have a second chance. Some, not certain people don't deserve a second chance, but overwhelmingly people do. What does it take for a criminal to really make the changes like you say, the big sentences? But I feel like prison turns you into a criminal. So I went to prison one day, literally, me and my mate was walking back. We were sitting in the window open, so we just was only young. We thought, oh, let's just knit the car. We've gone in. We actually didn't take anything from the ass. But I reported it to the police that they've been burgled. I went to prison for four months due to in 2005. When I got out from that four months or two, I met this scumbag, that scumbag, that scumbag, that scumbag. All of a sudden, I'm flat out now doing burglaries, nicking cars, doing this and that. All of a sudden, I got back to prison. I met this scumbag, that scumbag, that scumbag. Boom, out again, with all these other new scumbags, doing different crimes. And that was just a spiral. Went from burgling, nicking cars to armor breeze to anything and everything. And it was all met via prison. Goes back to what I was just saying, Dan, short sentences. Essentially, they're a waste of time. It's just a youth centre. They don't serve any useful purpose. They just turn you into a better criminal. That's all they do. Where people can work on themselves and the authorities can work on the prisoners. Yes, they very often do work. What do you think should change then the prison system to help offenders? To not re-offend, basically. Because the percentage is very high with people going back in. I think it starts at school on that, I don't know. Because obviously, I know I'm rabbitting on that, but the way I got out of crime, like you said, like to do courses and that, then people change. But when I changed it, is when I realised, I bought these companies and I realised how much money you can make legitimately. And obviously, when all this started going on, I was making, in the summer, 10,000 per week from a construction business. I never made that, doing one robbery. One armed robbery, running in someone with a gun. I never made that. Cash boxes in that, 20 grand, 25 grand. There's four of us. So we never got the 20 grand. Seven grand each or something. Do you know what I mean? Now, I'm sending boys to work and I'm only 10,000 per week. So I feel like that's what mentally changed me, that I can make more money legitimately than criminal crime. Do you know what I mean? I've had just about every type of pound note in my pocket over the years, right? I've had the pound note that I've won off the bookies. I've had the pound note that somebody's given me. You know what I mean? A gift when you're a kid, your birthday money and all that kind of stuff. I might have had a pound note that might have come from a questionable source given to me. And I've also had the pound note that I've grafted for. And I've got to tell you, the best pound note in your pocket and the most enjoyable pound note to spend is the one that you've grafted for. Bar none. 100%. Do you feel as if you enjoy it more if it's legit? Yeah, I actually love it. Like, honestly, I know I put up Range Rover's DS, fucking, all these cars and things. But the most satisfaction I've ever had was I'd done a driveway for an OAP who was a train driver his whole life and it was just for the Queen's Jubilee, but just for what she died and he wanted his driveway done. And I got up to help him because he really loved me at six o'clock in the morning and on my hands and knees myself and laid his drive and that was when I walked away and see his face. It was the most satisfaction I've ever had of bar of my kids drumming. That to know that I actually made him and his wife really happy and I'd done it myself. Not all the driving around in Range Rover I went to work in the van in work clothes and done that myself with obviously my main boy. What was the main thing for you to try and make changes? What came into your mind? What was the thing that says fuck me? I need to make changes. My kids like literally my kids I just thought I can't be in my life and so I breathe my kids my kids are my everything. I couldn't be away from them. Does that make sense? So if I can't commit a crime there and what get free ground and what and I'm going to lose my kids for two and a half years and be back to square one. No. Do you know what I mean? How hard is it then to then make the adjustments Danny from being the boy's kinder out there in your face and Zero Fox giving to then try to be like maturing and try to see the world differently and you've always been a family man. I've always said this of the podcast that's why I've got major respect even though the things that you've done was wrong but you're still trying to provide for a family but now you're seeing the world a little differently like how hard is that then to make that transition where people then maybe test you more if they see like a softer side What do you mean? Like if you're not out there fuck the police and I'm going to fuck this person Oh I still am like that but obviously I just get separate you seem different you seem more child because obviously the mental side of things that you use were both different ends of the spectrum police officer, criminal you struggled with your mental health when did yours start slipping Peter? When I was living in the witness protection programme that would have been the constant threat of an assassin's bullet bullet in the back of my head and I was still having to go to work I was still under cover so in any given day I could be three different people because I get up in the morning there's a male on the door mate oh yeah there's a reminder I'm living in this house not a house it was a hideout I'm living in this hideout in one identity I jump in a car I drive to work put the radio on I could be Peter Blexley for an hour get the work and the governor says we've got an undercover job Blex off you go right so by about half 11 in the morning I've been three different people concerned and conspiracy theorising and all that of course led to a catastrophic mental health breakdown Did you ever feel used? and the police? I don't think I particularly looked at it in that fashion I felt that there were certain things that shouldn't have been done that were done and the situation whereby the confidential report with my name in it should never been compiled never had my name put in it the police premises never left in a car where it could be stolen etc etc etc I was pretty pretty pissed off about all of that but it was all a long time ago yes at the time I was hurt it was really the motivation for writing my autobiography with those years ago because that was very cathartic to get that off my chest and get it out there because I felt I'd been wronged but you know fortunately I live my life now looking forwards and not backwards and it's all part of a dim and distant memory what about your own mental health Danny we've spoken about it a few times but when was it at your darkest you've been in prison, you've been out of prison you've had the money, you've had the big cars we never seem satisfied we never seem good enough when did yours become at its worst just the fact of the way life is social media, the place of being with social services at the moment I feel like they're just attacking my kids and I'm helpless to it if that makes sense there's nothing I can do and it's powerless but let's look at the things that you do have some power over because there are things of course we can't alter in life but there are many things that we can actually take responsibility for and change for me, life is about making as much of it as easy as we can so if you can not get in a tear up for the old bill not engage with the old bill, not have a reason to engage with the old bill that would be a massive benefit I think to you but I don't, to the point of the other day was going to work I'm in a company round and up, company close they swamped on me in a petrocar everyone knows BP Petrogarages Metropolitan Police got to deal with them, that's the petrogarages they use so I've gone in this petrocar they've swamped on me, four car loads to search me for a weapon now it's irrelevant what I've got on me I could have an axe, a knife, whatever I'm in a company car that does construction work unless I've got a gun there's nothing you can do but they've got me handcuffed over the bonnet doing the madness and I'm like you're doing this, now anyone in this petrocarages sees this company, they're never going to use it so then what happens to me when my company's not being used and I'm not making money I go back to crime so what are you doing? what was the outcome of that? they search me, let's keep me there for 45 minutes and let me go well played, okay, first of all huge, huge credit to you for not having a rare up and a tear up to get yourself nicked that is such a positive now take that as a positive you have displayed a maturity there that you wouldn't have had five years ago this is what keeps it happening to me so eventually eventually if you can show that incredible self-restraint that you did those things are going to go away eventually they are going to go away I was in my baby mum she had to get the baby's job she said, oh look, because there's two kids can you come with me while I take one baby in and then you look after the baby in the car no problem, I seen all these police cars so I said, oh give me a lift that's my brother's ass as we drove out police car straight in front literally jumped out, I've got out I'm like, what? no, I ain't telling you you've got to tell me, why are you putting my car over? stay there, stay there I ain't doing nothing, shut the fuck up and then he went, do you know what boom, he's tried to grab me now he wants to fight old Danny from 1525 would have picked him up and threw him what did I do, jog back start a video and you'd do nothing, jogged off down the road got pulled over down the road by 20 why are you running? why am I running is because I don't punch his head in very simple, it goes one way or another I just jog over here and get away from him or he puts his hands on me my mental brain can't deal with someone putting their hands on me I end up just smashing his head in Danny's in prison for assaulting the police officer because any touch I've done a touch, a push, a punch an ed bar, a biac is always assaulting the police officer and it's one way to get to prison self-restraint you've shown it in the BP garage jumping straight up and turning the F off and all that ain't great that restraint, that being able to count to 10 or 20 and all of that you're going to have to I'll be trying, that's why I'm not in prison then you must have been trying successfully on occasions because you're here and not banged up I've just learned not fight back not fight back be cocky, be epic just don't fight back when he's going all the grab in you know what police do when they try to give you a little twist and all that for you then to buy it and then he jumps on you I don't buy it now I just turn around and go what are you doing mate do you know what I mean I'll be cocky, cocky, cocky and then when they start doing it what are you doing mate just let him 100% like the other day I've got pictures of my phone they come into my ass to arrest me for a blackmail, I think this was last September they come in my ass to arrest me for a blackmail and now when they come into my house they literally when I'm no joke when I tell you they kick the shit out of me to the point they broke my ribs they broke my hand, they had a hole in my head had a black eye and it's crazy to the point of today on social services meeting social services are asking for the cctv, the body warm campus they went we can't give you that because we just saw that happen with mr. Simpson and they was like what and then they went oh look mr. Simpson got assaulted but obviously he was resisting arrest that's all they ever try and fall back on that's what we show the pictures of it you can show me those afterwards perhaps but what was the outcome of that search nothing there you go see so that's another bonus there we've got the BP garage and we've got that search of your house no charges you're not getting banged up I was in this police station here at Fulham and the custody sergeant when he was bailing me I had to release him on bail to the man who interviewed me he's like I've been told by my boss to like bail him and then he went no not DST the ones driving the blue buses tactical ones they're not I'm going to ring TST now they're not going to be fucking happy look what they've done to him and now you're releasing him within 12 hours that was his exact words in the custody suite muscleism and don't say anything it's all recorded so when can he do people for harassment no I am I've got a Barristar literally a very good expensive Barristar and I've spoken to him today and we're going through all the evidence I'm doing a police harassment well obviously I won't comment about going you know potential criminal discipline case that would be a responsible broadcasting but let's just focus on those two examples that we've spoken about they didn't lead to any charges okay no court cases you have shown a certain level of restraint not as much perhaps as I'd like you to do but okay it's a work in progress so when you say your mental health's not great think about those positive experiences not positive experience but your positive reaction in that you didn't rear up you've not been nicked or charged okay and take things like that so it comes back to what I was talking about about the things you can control in your life you can choose not to commit crime big tick you can choose to act with restraint when you engage with the police and therefore prison won't be on the horizon in any way shape or form will it that looks better with social services you see more of your kids I don't actually engage with them I don't have no involvement I feel like they're all liars and they're just no involvement if they ring my phone I say don't dare ring my phone hang up because they'd lie they tell one person one thing and tell another person another thing and tell another person another thing they didn't even know the other day I had four kids so how can I even listen to them they ring in my phone it's in best meeting and all that danger blah blah social media present lifestyle I'm like yeah great but you're talking to this baby mum they went yeah I went but them kids are five months old and 18 months old they're with the baby mum 24 7 why are you not talking to the other baby mum whose kids 10 and other kids 4 he's got social media the 10 year old he goes to school on his own back from school he's more in danger than anyone why are you not talking to that one oh who's that one so you only know about them two kids yeah so you didn't know I had another two kids no I went get the fuck off my phone man so what's happening with the social the social services I have no involvement with them at all they will not tell me they will not dictate to me unless they got in black and white from a judge saying I won't even acknowledge them and they can't see because of Danny's past is that a big lots of red flags for because the men is always fucked anyway when it comes to kids and divorces it's always the man who gets the bad fucking edge of the stick like how does Danny then improve that to try and get the kids back to try and then stop with a police harassment like it's not Angel or Saint but how does they then put the steps into becoming well I'm absolutely delighted to say I've never been divorced and I've never had any dealings with the social services over my kids and I'm very happy about that but you know I can just in that whole bloody nagging uncle going away sticking within the spheres of operations that I do know about in other words crime and policing you know just urge Danny not commit crime don't rare up and then things will settle down I'm not saying it's going to happen overnight and then you will feel better and you know you can treat yourself to a pipe and a pair of slippers you know what I mean and look forward to the time when you have a grandchild on your knee girls ain't having a kid and you'll be the old man who needs his driveway done it will happen like that Danny the older you get the quicker time flies and you don't want to waste it but do you know what it is though it's like it could be 5 years and all of a sudden someone will make a fake video post a fake video and it would be like such shows like my kids 10 they've been coming in and out of my life it could be over something it could be anything anything it's actually ridiculous and I'll just give up honestly I'm just like I don't even care what's the worst beating you've had off the corpus it's about half hour when I do it I'll do nothing my street fighting days are long behind me Dan I promise please probably better see police station probably better see police station one that was a bit bad but I was on the phone and then there was like I could hear sergeant saying get him off the phone there but I just carried on having a conversation and then the police officer come over and he's like look you got his phone and I just turned around like that and the sergeant shouted so I just said alright I'm gone I got off the phone and walked to the desk and I tried to grab the sergeant and as I tried to grab the sergeant he just clipped off all my days if they get me in that cell and kick the shit out of me but that was probably that and the one the other no the other day weren't actually that bad but the big C1 was probably the worst big C1, Plumsey police station that one they done me as well do you worry it will never stop no because they want a retaliation they want me to throw one punch back they want me to do an headbutt because that's the charge that's the prison do you know what I mean like Plumsey police station one was quite funny when they pissed me off, I called for water when they come for water I just put my arms up the hatch and just don't move my arms then they literally the whole police station comes to a standstill, we kick his cock and he's his arms back in that thing and then yeah they come in that time kick the shit out of me do you think you're biting your tongue now we're not Italian because your kids are in the lane I'll never react in front of my kids like literally if they come then I'll just like go with them but I never really, I don't actually kick off no more with them it's them, do you know what I mean like this one the other day they knocked me unconscious twice I went from my house to the hospital for an MRI scan on my brain like they knocked me unconscious two separate times by stamping on my head and how bad is it to go from your house to hospital for an MRI scan and they say using reasonable force is you've got to have an MRI scan MRI scan is not something to take lightly you go to hospital for them to say he needs an MRI scan I must have been fucked up do you know what I mean how far can police go if somebody is resisting arrest they're permitted to use whatever force is proportionate, reasonable and that of course varies on circumstances doesn't it you know if somebody is having a proper tear up with you then you've got to use whatever reasonable force to detain that person if you've got evidence to arrest them but at the end of the day we can't we can't arrest them though so why are they, because at the end of the day they're still, I've read something before and this judge said it and I read it in the paper and basically what happened this police officer was chasing his moped and the moped was driving dangerously he ended up crashing and dying the law is the law, nobody is above the law and the law is if I touch you and it's an assault it's an assault you know regardless of it's self defense or what because if me and him was out on that street now and he punched me in my head and I punched him straight back in his head we're both getting nicked for a throw so why if the police officer does it it's self-defense or I was using a reasonable force it's not, you should be the same it's the law, it's the law two cases are the same so it's reasonable force that's the real buzz word reasonable force and that reasonable force needs to be proportionate for example if I'm I'm in plain clothes I'm carrying a gun like I used to on many occasions and I'm plotted up outside a bank or a post office and a robber comes out and he's carrying the saw then there's pretty not a lot of dispute there's not a lot of dispute about me being reasonable if I squeeze that trigger and that person loses their life for example although of course many similar cases like that have been debated, discussed and fought over in various courts of law that's where the law is so often interpreted and decided if you go to something completely a completely different level if I'm a police officer and I'm looking to arrest someone and they go you're not laying your hands on me copper and they pull their arm away then clearly I'm going to have to do something other than just reaching out and putting their hand on them see if I did that just reach out put the hand on them and they went no you're not doing that well then I'm going to have to up the ante aren't I I'm going to have to use greater force than I originally intended to do but I'll punch in the face a punch in the ribs hitting with a kosh hitting with a walkie-talkie it's not acceptable as as anybody to hit another human being so why have the Metropolitan Police got this right because when I've been arrested by Kent I don't have these problems when I got transferred from Fulham Police Station to Kent Police Station for 45 years I've never ever seen anybody come in with them injuries in my whole working life who done that and I was at the police he was like you see them you're getting out of court payment 100% but it's not right who can't sit here and talk is there an ongoing court case about that no no no there might be so I'm not going to comment on that of course he's not I would never defend the indefensible and when we were cops let me just finish one moment if I may please Dan punchy police are a liability if you're working alongside people and they're punchy I want somebody to cover my back and when I am faced with violence and I'm in a position of danger then I want to know that my colleagues are going to be there to help protect, support me I've done but generally speaking you will find the overwhelming majority of cops want to swerve punchy police officers because they're grief, they're aggravation but we do not all stick together then well this cuts into something that's very much a story of the moment with regards to police in a course because there are inquiries going into the standards and culture of the police and we know through far too many revolting examples of late the police are falling way, way short of the levels we expect of them that we should deserve from them because when you get a warrant card and you sign on and you swear your oath to become a police officer it is only right that we the public expect them to operate by higher standards than us three around this table because we're not in the old bill right that doesn't mean to say we can go off and be over ourselves but you know police officers they have a very, very important power bestowed to them and that is to deny people their liberty you know there is not many greater powers you can give to anyone so when you give police officers that power and they sign on the dotted line it is only right that we should expect their behaviour to be above and beyond what it is pretty much anywhere else. Basically I've got a police officer that I'll get on with really well and they said it's on the computer as a nuisance calls a nuisance to me basically like it's on Winshipwoods in my name and you can only press in it like if you press in it then it will flag up somewhere that that police officer has logged on that so they said I can't go any further with that but it's on their nuisance nuisance marker is called Dan any any car okay literally they think that you are going to be a passenger in right they will go on to the PNC and it will have what they call markers on it yeah and it might have weapons it might have violence it might have whatever and then of course it will be on ANPR so I've seen you talking about a previous example when you pulled off a roundabout of course it did because you're on a main drag pinged on APR markers come up violence assaults police so anytime anytime you get pulled over in a car the cop is already like got half one there because he thinks there might be one coming back but apparently obviously this is from the police officer but he's a really high up police officer and he's got a really big B in his bonnet with me like I don't understand how you can have a personal thing comes back to what we were saying about Joey Pye wouldn't it right and that's your problem that if you've got to a senior police officer who says this is a man that we simply have to make an example of by taking him down then that is that is going to be very challenging for you but the only thing you're going to get is a disc world driving or something silly like it just don't make no for example the other day I've come along the road and I've done the video and I've done a video winding them up as we said before got to the roundabout obviously our new is on the main motorway as we've come off the motorway what happened six police cars were waiting as we went around the roundabout you're really going to use all them resources all that money for a disc world driving to the maximum sentences six months to three and I played guilty and I'd get six weeks to three twelve weeks to six when does it come out of your mind then that fuck I'm not going to do that anymore but wind them up I'm always going to wind them up do you see that as an issue then yeah well it doesn't help let's be perfectly frank I've just wasted an hour on me long by trying to talk some sense into him and all he said yeah I'm always going to wind him up well then in that case you're on your own mate but at least I tried at least I tried it won't be Dan what do you think the worst case scenario could be it truly won't be Dan but I don't do anything I don't commit crime the establishment cannot allow Dan to end up being a winner but I don't do anything I don't commit crime so what can they nick me for well disc world driving is a crime but I don't actually drive I don't actually I actually pay a driver and what not but they actually what are they going to nick me for I don't sell drugs I don't do unrobbers no more I don't rob people no more there's nothing they can actually physically come and like you said I revert to what I said earlier Dan they'll be pouring over your social media talking about you mug somebody off for this watch or that watch or the other one it's actually my in bitcoin blah blah blah blah blah I bet as we speak in fact if you listen now yellow sirens it's up a dozen police cars tearing off down the Bournemouth to find a bloke you've mugged off right and get a statement from him you know they will find something and then of course the problem will be is if they get you for a crime of dishonesty then of course the proceeds of crime acts comes into it and then the entire emphasis is on you to prove that everything you've got is legit it's not like when you get nicked for a crime where of course innocent until proven guilty with the proceeds of crime acts that is completely flipped and they will regard everything you own including that hoodie on your back and those trainers on your feet as being the proceeds of crime and you will have to prove otherwise and that of course will be aligned to what I've said earlier about a tax investigation from the tax authorities so one way or another you know they could make life particularly uncomfortable for you and I have to say if you continue to antagonise I'm moving to schismas you know if you continue to antagonise there will only be one winner and it won't be Danny Sims won't be you mate why do you keep doing it then if you just high up corpus just telling you it's never going to win it's going to come ahead basically I just think it's fun like they do the same to me they try past me and wave and take the pistol put the middle finger up like so I just do the same to them do you know what I mean like Danny Sims from 1525 a police officer drove past me and waved I will chase him down the road he stopped at red I'll drag him out of the window and beat him up like now alright cool I'll go do that video and put you on social media let me tell you Dan you are very very fortunate that this is not the 1970s I know I'm going to be a lot of violence because you know what would have happened to you certain unscrupulous detectives right would have once you've got in a car they would have given you a happy bag what's up when they ram you through no no a happy bag right okay it was kind of like the slang that was used by people who would unscrupulously fit people up and in that happy bag which would have been found behind your seat or at your feet in the car according to the evidence in that hold all would have been a stock in right ready for you to pull over your head right I'm talking old school 70s and 80s as opposed to a ballet now right gloves a solenoff maybe a crowbar you'd have been fitted up like a kipper 20, 25, 30 that's how they'd have sorted you out in the 70s is there a possibility something like that could still happen I would like to think not because nobody would believe Danny then he's not going to like to stand on there are of course a lot of challenges in policing that need to be addressed but I would very much like to think there is no unscrupulous dying, lying perjuring bastard I can't have a happy bag on someone these days I think that is a sin of our fathers which will not be repeated I sincerely hope but it could be a possibility if the beatings in that he's not got a leg of six people are going to beat him up he says they just attacked him it's the age of body warm video right it's body warm video these days is the body calms on they'd also like they said that there was these weapons next to my bed so when they put the report in we want the body warm you're saying this is there we want the body warm then police would come back today saying we can't give you the body warm because of bad the assault is on simpson so they've got it do you know what I mean and obviously when I get this I'm not going for a solicitor I'm going straight to a barrister so when it goes to court obviously all the evidence has to come have you ever thought have you ever thought about moving away though do you think that about a wise move is to move out of the situation I've moved away from his kids yeah I wouldn't move away from my kids anything on earth just for a more stable life I have actually moved bars so obviously you go from met to Kent I'm just getting a sign with Kent like honestly police at somewhere that's all the fucking time driving past putting over writing down num plates I guess it was a come to my ass the other week when it was really hot the sunny time and one of my company vans just magically set on fire he pulled up at my address he vans on fire do you want to go and check it I said aye it's sweet he had the num plate of my cars that was on my drive written on his aunt so when he pulled up to tell me that my vans on fire my cars perfectly decent bit of police nothing wrong with that at all of course they're doing it you're a persistent disqualified driver so of course you would say if you had local beat bobbies let's hope they do bring them back neighbour of police in let's hope that does get brought back across the nation the local neighbour would go right we've got a persistent disqualified driver here every morning on his beat the number plate of every car that's on his drive or outside of his house or down the street trying to detect and prevent crime and let me tell you why I prevent it and this is no old spar here Dan reasons why I particularly disliked disqualified drivers when I was in the old bill and many many cops do you're uninsured you've got no licence you're a disqual you would feel if a disqual driver with no insurance and no driver licence hits one of your kids injured them severely so that they would need constant medical care for the rest of their lives but because that disqual driver was not insured okay you couldn't get the sufficient funds from his insurer to ensure that your sadly badly injured child could get the 24 hour care they need how would you feel I don't know because I am insured you can't if you're a disqual not I am I've got full traders insurance from my company if you're behind the wheel your insurance is invalid I've got insurance I've promised if you get behind the wheel and you drive any insurance you have is invalid I've got insurance I believe you mate you are not insured if you drive as a disqualified driver you are not insured I've had insurance the last two and a half years police have even rung them up and told him how has he got have you insured him he hasn't got a licence they haven't fully insured me there's me on it and there's three other people who drive my company events I've got full traders insurance have you got a licence can you drive without a licence as far as I'm concerned no traffic wasn't my bag I can easily go around here I can easily go around here if you haven't got a driving licence you're not insured do you ever see any crashes drunk or without licenses drink drivers I wasn't in uniform very often but in the three or so years I wasn't in uniform the worst thing you've ever seen as a police officer I didn't like to cite a blood family enough never did and still don't I don't think anyone does but there were some people and I have to say they have my respect some of these traffic cops literally have to scrape bodies off the road have my respect there something that I quite simply couldn't do they're the ones that are harassing me it was an unpleasant accident and there were people severely injured in the back but my colleague knowing that I'm not great at the sight of blood you know, certainly you sought the traffic out so I went and sought the traffic out and made sure that a bad situation didn't get worse why he and others got on with the injured parties obviously you're very anti-afforative the beatings and stuff you're fucking your worst enemy sometimes but if it was a decent copper would you give them the respect that they deserve you're seeing Luke then, you're doing this what would you just think, fuck him as well so like I did like the other day when obviously I said that we got pulled over by the police officers trying to instigate me to do sank and I jumped off when I got grabbed around the corner and there was about four cars of them he said stop I stopped and walked straight back to him he was really sweet and then he had his mate, he was a bit jacked up and wanted to have a tear up I'm like, I'm not making sense you're sweet and he's not but now he's really put like respectful and then just let me on my way off though has it got that good cop bad cop mentality some things, well that's the part, they're clear that's a trick as old as police in itself I don't even do interviews no more I literally refuse to be interviewed or if I go in there I'll just literally say I want a legal advice every 10 seconds yeah of course you are perfectly entitled to that you're entitled to legal representation and you are perfectly entitled to remain silent during interviews but after about the fourth one they go no we ain't giving you no more legal advice and I say I'm not having an interview and you're not and I just banged there long brought back to myself literally and the biggest shit for them they must speak for the fuck we're glad we've used a lot thank you for beating him up but Danny have Marcos and his name all around the UK don't mind where they moved to be on the police national computer wherever you go it's a national computer database how long would it take to start to make any changes question and be on my pay grade would that just be there for fucking eternity really don't know is that then difficult then if you're constantly getting harassed and where do you say he's antagonised it as well so it's like cat and mouse aren't it but like Peter's saying there's only going to be one outcome but do you know what they do now so my bank card and the SOS they try and follow it and get the cameras so basically long story short I've grasped it up I don't care I know the man in the petro garage really well I go there all the time every morning all of a sudden he told me the other day when I left and I paid on my cards the police turned straight up and asked the CCTV if I was driving the car of course but that's just like a race man of course I will take him because I paid on my cards so you've flown straight there to see if I was driving but I want to get you six weeks do three I will be out in three weeks on tag it's a I'm not even driving 12 weeks do six and then you get your tag so you're out in three weeks but did you not do a sentence there for driving did you not do another sentence just a few months ago for driving last year and last night but did the sentence not get bigger though again the sentence is a matter of course not maximum sentence six months to three unless I draw if you drive off from the police it's dangerous driving that's two years but if I was driving I would put my hands straight up there and then six months to three give me quickly are you happy to do the sentence just to try and get one up in there no I don't drive no I pay a man he comes and I'm showing him my car and he just drives me around he's a terrible driver with the money you've got and your love of driving you don't live a million miles from brands so why don't you strike up a relationship with one of the many many teams that operate out there because there's so many different driving levels from Formula 4 to saloon car driving and all that kind of stuff and all that kind of people that want some sort of sponsorship why don't you strike a deal it's local right with one of those teams who would appreciate a bit of sponsorship and then in return you can go down there and thrash it to your arse content and then there is no need to feel the urge to jump behind a wheel I pay someone now to drive I've got an Uberman and I've got another Giza and I just pay him when I'm near the driver I pay him like my mate I went to Manchester the other day went in my car with a driver happy come back 24 hours late at the man I gave the driver 100 pound now that's 100 pound now I've not got to sit on that motorway looking in my rear view mirror at every car every slip on I've not got to look in my mirror to see if there's a fucking fire so he's sitting there get on a train it's better for the environment it's got a car seat on there it's got a toilet on there it's got a buffet car so you can go and get yourself a sandwich and all that stuff go buy a train much better for the environment I drive on the evidence stage because I'm not a fan of driving anymore I just love cars though but now I pay someone to drive me so honestly I don't see it as a problem I have no intentions of driving I don't drive, I have nice cars I have insurance if James was to drive my car I would just go and show me a drive I've been driving for an hour let's go what do you think you've robbed Danny over the last five years of people I've got one in the pipeline for a meal so I'll be on other numbers do you think anybody's ever going to come forward I know you've got that I looked up the first podcast two years ago and I was done with anything has there been any hits you're always here for a great ride this fella's going to do that we live in a different world as you said years ago you would have been fitted up with a bag years ago you robbed these people they would put a hill on you you would have someone in your door in the bush whatever going to kill you we live in a different world now if I went down a road for an egg at a house I'd go into you by the time I got to an ender on all phones and everything there's no assassins no more so no I don't feel like I'm going to be killed well there are sadly tragically 15 16 and they got a blade in their hands and there are also kids out there which is how the whole hierarchy of criminality has changed so much in my life that's why I don't wear a watch no more every time I've been here every podcast 50 grand 100 grand watches Apple watch thanks London you can't for example your watch 11 grand 12 grand you're going to get stabbed up for it you're going to hand it straight over but what if he thinks that any movement you've done was wrong and he stabs you is it worth it is it worth 12 grand is it worth to look a bit flash it's not I'm not risking it at all for someone who robs 20 people when like a girl we have a date said about a watch I was like it's honestly not worth it it's honestly not worth it I am a robber and I'm telling you by no means necessary do not have a watch no it's not worth it these 15 year old kids are seeing 50 10 20 grand for watches they're going to stab you up there's no ifs they come from nothing and they can stab you now and go and sell that watch then it's not thank you not for me do you think Dan will live past 40 that's largely my concern right you know that he doesn't I should say that he doesn't live past 40 you know if he's on their radar which he clearly is I imagine the intense attention that he's often subjected to is not going to subside any time soon and saying on this podcast that I've got a bit of graft in the pipeline that's going to draw me a mill right is probably only going to ensure that that attention continues if I was a detective and somebody said to me I know I'm mixing the old world with the new now but somebody said to me right for the next hour I want you to sit in front of this and watch this bloke and use that as a start point for plotting some form of detective investigation not uniform cops but you know detective suitably resourced investigation and we will make the money and resources available I'd go okay and I would think about it and I would do all the things that I've mentioned about the surveillance, technical and traditional and think about you know a procedure crime down the line if we nick you for a crime of dishonesty you know involving the tax authorities and I'd go well are you going to write me off for six months or a year to do a proper proper job on this fella and make sure that he goes behind a door for a long long time and we skin him and if they say yes Peter I'll go okay right let's do it but don't you have to go to a judge no don't you oh I thought like it's a bug phones and I had to go to a judge and get a judge permission not yet we don't this country not yet we don't suitable authorities can be granted by senior police officers so see with you sitting on these podcasts that we've done and stuff would anybody would anybody ever come forward to you and say what was it like is he enlisting a lot of the stuff that Dan says is for people who's here say as well let's all smoke mirrors as well try to cover your ass Dan but I said would anybody ever come forward to you and say what was it like well we'll find out after this I know I was going to say that we'll find out and I'm sure many people will he's making fun of me if as we get out of here as we leave I shake your hand and I put my hand in the pocket and I've got to drive it now you know I'm getting your DNA what advice would you have for Dan seriously though Peter in the story go straight right he's got talent he's got charm he's got personality he's got contacts and he's got a couple of equipment behind him go bloody straight well that was told straight really who does it feel being sent across from Peter I know you're on it I thought it but Peter it's a really nice man he has been trying to give you peace I always treat as I be treated as my dad showed me and literally he's been nothing but polite and respectful like I couldn't fault him I mean like regardless of his job or whatever it's just not my business he's paid for his life he's paid for his family he looks after his family like his job title don't mean anything it's how you treat people that when I'm different the police officer come over to me pulled me over and was nice like oh I just wanted to check you weren't driving Dan no problem have a good day officer and I actually sent it to officers the other day I went do you know what I know I'm a concierge I know I take the piss on social media I know I do that but in the day you do do our jobs and you do put your life on the line everyday so do you know what I have got a bit of respect for you the ones I don't like are the liars that will ring up social services and lie that will be in an interview and say Mr Simpson hit me no I didn't like tell the truth what happened you grabbed me you bent me out I didn't resist and you're just saying I resisted you're lying don't lie don't try and make something up dare the police officer I can't stand you would have seen it Peter a lot of corrupt coppers so you can understand why people are against them as well when they're not really 100% with their job and behind the bars do you know what I mean that can you understand where the hate comes from as well from some people yeah of course you know there are certain people that will always hate the police no matter what and there's a silent minority who are actually very pro police although that silent majority has been very much affected by all the countless dreadful stories that have been coming out about the police recently absolutely appalling stories and there are inquiries going on there's a number of investigations going on and the police have clearly got a problem in certain departments and certain areas about their culture their standards what is acceptable and what's not and how I clamp down on it and I've got some pretty strong thoughts on it as you can imagine the police needs to get a grip I've already spoken about how we should demand a higher level of behaviour from them stamping out a perverse culture is really not a difficult thing to do because police are disciplined organisations and they have a hierarchy you know you go from either a chief constable or a commissioner down through all the ranks then eventually to an inspector sergeant and then your PCs or your DCs right it is so chief constables and the commissioner of the mayor can really affect the culture of an organisation even if the people working for that organisation never get to meet that man or woman they really can have an effect on the culture and for me policing is all just about and it builds a lot on what you've said Dan just do the right thing how difficult is it to do the right thing you're a police officer you know what the right thing is you know that racism, misogyny homophobia, police brutality, verbal in people having no integrity has no place whatsoever in the police service it's really easy so there's the door now piss off all part of my language you know what I mean it's so easy do the right thing in everything you do do the right thing that doesn't mean to say you have to be a robot it doesn't mean to say you can't go home and dance and drink and party and have fun and tell jokes you can bring your personality to work but of course as long as that personality is that of a person who's got integrity will always challenge people that do the wrong thing that will whistle blow upon people that do the wrong thing so that policing can get rid of them 100% like when I also have clean boots but a comb through your hair and look presentable I know it's difficult in a stab vest and IVs I know that's very difficult but you know come on 100% like when I got arrested the other day and I was in hospital and it broke my ribs my head and all that sounding it kicking the bed so I couldn't go to sleep burping blowing it in my face like honestly like that's not are there am I ever going to have respect for that when I got to the police station when I got in the van from the hospital he said whatever name they are TSG or whatever he said it he said welcome to TSG bang slam the door shut when we got to the police station I said I looked at him I went you got something to say and he went what do you mean I went you said something when you shut the door so what have you got something to say no I ain't got nothing to say but hang on you said something now it's all recorded so repeat it what you said he didn't want to repeat it long story short they grabbed me they went tagging to his cell I'm already out of cost dragging me as they're dragging me police will start the door what do they do try and ram me into the door but there's a police officer in the door what's the door do smack the other police officer in the face I'm laughing I'm like it's all on camera mate now I couldn't possibly comment on something that may be the subject of an ongoing investigation you know I make no apologies for repeating that but what I will say is that TSG territorial support group has a nickname amongst certain police officers and it's that TSG stands for thick and stupid literally not territorial support group but what I don't understand in that situation I am who I am I do what I do but you've now come to arrest me for that which I've got NFA form you've now done that to me I'm going to remember free face and as you say blue or lakeside whatever now when they're walking with their kids in blue I'm not going to have that regardless of my kids I'm going to run over and fly kick them and then what I go to prison but I'm going to mate you've done this to me it's just a non spiral it's just a circle but like Peter said the only one that's going to be is the coppers eventually and your volunteers keep doing what you're doing until if I see any of them coppers walking down a road with their kids obviously it's a podcast I don't really want to go too much into it but there will be violence and in that situation there in them when I see them I will win there in them they will not win they've done that to me they won at the moment they've won them up but there was 15, 20 of them that I remember their faces and it's a small world do you know what I mean? What's your prediction for Danny? It's not a prediction it's a plea it's a real plea because you know James you've met him on a number of occasions and I've only met Danny a day there is a large part of Danny that you just can't help but like so it's a plea just go straight just bin it all off be a straight runner there is no shame in being a straight runner who provides and loves his family I love being straight I love going straight there is no shame in that it's what actually in my eyes makes a proper man be a straight runner provide for your family love them to the ends of the earth every day let's look back to what you said about the best pand is the pand you grafted for and I love it telling kids to go straight go score get a good job and all that that's what I love like going to work providing for my kids like when I pay my boys their wages all the people that work for my company I have my kids there and when I go bang bang bang is your money your wages your wages I got some of my kids do you know what I mean? that on a Friday is the best I might be broke from Friday to Monday but doing the wages knowing that they're going to pay for their family giving them their little wages that's the best thing as you said before going to do a crime going to do a robbery because you've got to look over your shoulder every 10 seconds I'm deeply envious I think it must be wonderful to be able to employ people and help them support their families I'm deeply envious on that front but there you go you've got talent for doing that use it and then you'd be surprised how quickly the old bill will melt away you know once you get yourself it's been 32 years once you get yourself off of that hit list that's not a hit list once you get yourself off their radar and you become yesterday's news there'll be somebody else to fill the gap but I honestly feel like since I've changed it up now robbing the bad guys on that they've been on me more than they ever was when I was doing robberies like and because of what? my lifestyle because I'm driving down a road in a nice car but it's irrelevant it's bad people's money does that make sense? and you're on me now when I was doing robberies I used to literally just see a car drive past all of a sudden he's got a book in his thing the observation team that's all I used to see now it's getting pulled over every day every day babe mum's ringing me just got pulled over with four police cars I'm like what the fuck is going on? like and I'm not doing anything me robbing a drug dealer or taking a watch off a bad guy I don't go there physically armed rob them I call them a deal when I just black them do you know what I mean? just a black and now the police are on me more for that than anything but bearing in mind it's not a crime because they're not going to report it they're not a straight person like James they're a bad person so they're not going to go to the police and go how did you get the watch? er er sold drugs for the last 20 years they can't so why are they on me now so much you know what I mean? and the thing is for no reason it's Matt do you think Danny brings a lot on himself? well he's admitted antagonising you're not being listening James he only has himself a blame in that regard literally that is a crime though isn't it? no matter what if you are planning to meet someone and taking whatever they've got off them to offend someone, to antagonise someone it's not necessarily a crime but I'm afraid Dan's got himself on their radar and it's going to take quite a bit of effort to get off it it's entirely in Dan's hands I'm not driving I'm not doing anything I'll be honest I have and at the end of the day like you said you pop up on a blinker but I don't pop up on a blinker if I change my none plates do you know what I mean? so there's ways and ways around it I don't do any of it no more you pay this person and I don't have to change plates pay £60 for a pair of plates all of a sudden I think I went past the speed camera let me change the plates again I ain't got to do that, just pay him to drive me I haven't got to look in the mirror, I haven't got to do anything I think you come in here with good intentions wanting to plant a few seeds and Danny's mind I'm not deflated in the slightest you can only lead a horse to water you can't make a drink it so in that regards my conscience is clear don't commit a crime and that's the main thing do you know what I mean? and if I bump into you in blue water we're going to have a coffee before me well on hang on I better get me home before we funny shop any words of advice for Dan? yeah I think I've said it many times many many times and it's been a joy meeting him it really has you've got talent, use it, go strike you think that was a good looking fella for anybody that's watching for anybody that's maybe wanting to get involved in a life of crime you've been running out your whole life what's the place you have for them? it's not worth it honestly as we said prison is just a waste of time and as Peter said it literally goes like that like your life so it's honestly it's honestly not worth it one day in the real world it's not worth fucking anything else like literally be there for your family your kids, everyone because that place 4x4 so when you're on your own all your friends that you think are your mates and they're there for you second you're in there and I shut that door your mates haven't picked up the phone so honestly it's not worth it so you can understand that but even though when you're talking there's some bits not playing the victim but there's some bits you think just fucking stop that and then it would like you to say the corpus would melt off but maybe you'll watch back one day and go do you know what fucking hell that but right now you've still got that I can see you're trying to change but there's still that bit of there where there's still hatred towards someone who's hitting you or beating you up but it's both sides aren't it it's both sides to blame when it comes to try to change but something you need to then take full control and go do you know what fuck it not saying they've won but just for your own life to better your own life was just dealing with it and try to it's not how do you then if you've got anti authority and trying it's not as if you want to let them win but it's a case you need to stop before it's a good one you're a long time dead don't waste this short and precious life just don't waste well that's lesson finally enjoyed that conversation today guys man Danny lesson