 If you were smart it would be a good debate, but you're not smart though. I mean, I don't mean to be rude to you, but you're not smart. Okay, but you're being finished. We're just asking the public not to support these industries that abuse and kill animals, so meet dairy eggs. This is wool, so we don't wear animals, we don't believe it's right to test products on them, cosmetics. The egg industry slaughters all the hens, kills all the... All the male chicks. Yep, shredded. Dairy industry slaughters all the males as well, they don't produce milk, so they shoot them on the farm or they send them off a veal or... They're trying to escape. Yeah, they're just like dogs, they don't want to die. Yeah, take this, take this, take this, take this. There you go. Maybe we should read the pamphlet and go vegan. Quite a reaction though, wasn't it? Yeah, man, how are you? Yeah, what's your name? Do you eat plants? Yeah, you're a... Yeah, but plants aren't alive as well. Ah, yeah, yeah, you come up to troll me. Yeah. Do you do internet trolling for vegans? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, plants are alive, they don't have a brain or a function or nervous system, so they don't feel pain, so... Still alive? Yeah, but it doesn't matter if they're alive. It matters if they're sent to... See, you just said it doesn't matter if they're alive. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if they're alive, only matters if they can suffer. What's wrong with being in me? Oh, because if you're like... Let's just say if you're unconscious and you're in a coma, and you can't suffer, and you have no one who cares about you, and you're in a vacuum, why would you matter? What's wrong with being in me? What's wrong? Well, do you think slashing an animal's head off is wrong? Huh? Do you think cutting an animal's head off is wrong? Everyone needs me. Especially everyone needs me. Yeah, but I don't care if everyone does. If everyone was raping and killing each other, it wouldn't make it okay. Yeah, but I'm not happy. I'm asking you that... That's not morally right. Sorry? That's not morally right. Why not? Wait, who cares? Humans were bought... Plants are alive too. Wait a second. You said... Excuse me? Wait a second. I don't know where you're going. Plants are alive too. Why can't you rape and kill each other? Plants are alive. Are you against rape and murder of people? Why? Plants are alive. Oh, wait, what's the difference between a plant and a human? Plants are alive. Humans... Do you see what I'm doing here? I'm using your plants are alive thing on you. Yeah, plants are alive. So what does that mean? Do you think there's a difference between eating a plant and... Do you eat alive plants? That's... Well, I'm just asking you. I'm just asking you... That is a disgraceful... I'm sorry about that. What's your name? What's your name? What's your name? Gamal. Gamal. No. So I'm just trying to... Is there a difference between eating a plant... That is disgraceful. You eat alive plants. Yeah. You're talking about this water. Do you think there's... How about the plants, yeah? You farmers viciously take out the ground. What about them? Do you think there's a difference between... What's up? I couldn't answer my question. Imagine, you know... You're doing this yet, but imagine plants. Sorry? Plants have feelings too. You know they don't, bro. They have feelings too. No, you know they don't. You know a lettuce doesn't feel like anything. They're alive. They're alive. Like animals are alive. Are you going to have a serious conversation? Because you don't believe that. I know you don't. What's the difference between a lettuce and a human being? Lots of things. That is gross. Wait, a lettuce is alive. Humans don't grow. A lettuce is alive. Humans don't grow. What is that? A lettuce is alive. Aren't they the same? Humans and lettuce are the same. They're mad at the same ethically, don't they? No, they don't. Okay, do animals and lettuce mad at the same ethically? No. Okay, okay, there you go. See, you prove yourself. There's obviously a difference. Come on, man. Do you think animal cruelty is wrong? Do you think animals is wrong? Okay. So, we'll be just killing them straight off, you know. We'll bite them, get another. So, where do you get your food from? I want to know. Like, where do you get your meat from? How old are you? Just want to know how old you are. How old do you think I am? 17, maybe. You're acting like you're 14, no, but I think you're just trying to be so silly. Maybe, maybe. You're 17? Maybe. 16, maybe, 16, 17? Maybe. Okay. I just want to know if you make the decisions in your household where you get your food? Yeah, I do. Okay. I get it from a ranch. A ranch? Yeah. Wait, there's a ranch in the UK? Yeah. No, I get it. My meat is exploiting. Where from? The USC. USC, man. It's in a container. No, so you eat meat from the UK? No, be serious with me, bro. I'm going to cut it off. Be serious with me. I'm serious. Yeah, the UK. I know what you're doing, but you get your meat from the UK? Yeah. Okay, so what? Chicken? Yeah. Chicken? Yeah. Do you eat halal or just normal? Halal. Halal? Okay, so most chickens are factory farmed here in the UK, yeah? Yeah. So it doesn't halal mean no suffering? Yes, but we get asked from a butcher. We see it. No, no, where do they grow? We see it directly. Where do they live? Where do these chickens live? In farms. Okay, they're factory farms. We butcher, pick up the chickens and go on a meat shine and slice them directly. I was actually at a halal slaughterhouse the other day. Yeah, but somewhere different, somewhere not. Oh, where do you get yours from? Somewhere different, somewhere not. No, but where do they live, these chickens? In farms. Yeah, factories. They get in from the farms and take him. This is a halal slaughterhouse here. This is a non-stun one, though, most, I mean, but I'm just saying, like... Hold on, you know you're wrong. What am I wrong? What are you talking about? You're not explaining. Are you against halal? Listen, plant's halal. Sorry? Would you? So? I don't care about a tomato. What do you mean? Why do I do not care about plants that live? I don't care about a tomato. Do you care about... Do you care about a tomato? Yeah, it is nice. Do you care ethically about a tomato? Yeah. Okay, well then, I don't know what to say to you. Yeah, it's all... A tomato doesn't have a brain. Yeah, but plants are alive. Plants are alive. Animals are alive. All right, that's it. I'm done with you. I don't know what... I've been doing this since you're 10 years old. This is conversation here. Plants are alive, you know. All right, so what? So is that tree? Doesn't matter if I pick the tree? Yeah, it's not actually, all right. Yeah. Should I get arrested for kicking a tree? No. Why not? Get arrested for... Why not? Get arrested for butchering the animal. You should get arrested. Dude, yes or no? No, you should, though. Why? Okay, why? I think you should because they matter morally. Why is it illegal? Why is it illegal? Because you're against animal cruelty for something. Why is it illegal to butch animal? Why is it illegal? Why is it not illegal? Why is it legal? Why is it legal? Yeah. Why was slavery legal? Why is it legal? Why was slavery legal? It's not legal. It's not legal. It's illegal. Why was it? Why was it? It's illegal, mate. It's illegal. Why was slavery legal? I'm covering slavery into this. No, I'm asking you a question. Why was slavery legal? What? Why was slavery legal? Because at that time it was. Okay. So at this time, this is legal. It doesn't mean it's not wrong. Thousands of... It doesn't mean this is not wrong. Humans, since humans came on us... It doesn't mean this isn't wrong. You're saying it's stopped. You're saying it's stopped? Yes, it's humans... Humans came on us. This is legal now. It doesn't mean it's not wrong. It's always going to be legal, like... It doesn't mean it's... Does that mean it's right because it's legal? Slavery was legal for 400 years in America. Yeah. Yeah? I'm saying was it right? It was all right. It was right back then? It was all right. They knew it was right. It wasn't right. They knew it was right, but everybody... Okay. So now, what we do to animals is legal. That doesn't mean it's right, does it? You're not a bit of a schmuck, man. Why? Like... You don't even... Cut by the point. Seven, yep, okay. Ten years. No, no, no. Personally, ten years old. No, I'm saying because it's legal doesn't make it moral or ethical. Just because this is legal doesn't make it moral or ethical. Come on, man. Like, you're just failing your point. This is legal. This is animal... You're just repeating. You've probably got all your information from the internet. No experience. Have you been inside a slaughterhouse? Yeah, I have. Have you? Yeah. Where? You don't need to know. All right. Yeah, well, there's plenty of videos of me inside slaughterhouses, so take it easy, brother. It's all right. You only come here to have a... Right. Yeah, it's all right, it's all right. If you were smart, it would be a good debate, but you're not smart, though. I mean, I don't mean to be rude to you, but you're not smart. Okay, but you're being finished. Take care, brother. You won the debate against me. I'll let you win. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I can't beat you at your level. Yeah. Because you're a bit cheap at the point. Yeah, yeah, I have to get right down on your level. I'm not that... I'm not that simple, bro. How you going, man? Do you know what this is? Obviously, it's a meat industry, dairy industry, egg industry. Yeah, I know. To be honest with you, my sister has been vegan for four years now. Yeah. Tried veganism. Just... I tried it for a week. Yeah. And did yesterday. Oh, it was not bugged. Okay. But back to eating chicken today. Actually, I lost a lot of weight. Wow. To be honest. Too much? No, no, no. It's like... Because I'm working on gaining more weight. So I kind of lost one kilo, one kilo and a half. Okay. So... But now you're back to eating birds. Yeah, actually, eat chicken. Back to eating chicken today. Yeah, like, I... I don't know. It's a weird... Like, I don't know. It's a... Controversial topic, to be honest with you. Well, it doesn't have to be controversial. Were you against cruelty to animals? No, like... See, I do agree with... Yeah, you agree with ethics, but you're... Yeah, it's just that we come from a culture that is really, really heavy on eating meat, chicken and everything. So that's why it's... I don't know a country that isn't. No, exactly. Or a culture that isn't. So, yeah. What culture? Lebanon. Lebanon? Yeah. Yeah, I mean... It's not some religion as well, you know. Yeah, I mean... My best friends, Lebanese, and their whole family's vegan. Yeah. So I was... Yeah, I see my sister, again, started it four years ago. Now back in Lebanon, we do have, like, in the house, much less consumption of meat, chicken and everything, so... We're working on that. So I've tried it for a week. Like, my plan now is to go vegan days of the week and try to, you know, cut down as much as possible. You know, vegans, like... If you imagine veganism as, like, a philosophy against animal abuse, it's like, when you go vegan, you've made that connection. It's like when someone's against racism or someone's against child abuse. You are that way ethically. You don't try it. You don't cut down. You don't do it every now and then. Yeah. You don't do it for a week. You go, I'm against animal cruelty. I'm going to be vegan, you know? Yeah, exactly. So... No, see, I do agree on that. It's just that, again, as I told you, coming from a culture and a home that's heavy on meat and everything, it's hard to kind of... I tried it. It's hard on me to cut it directly. I've been here recently, so that would also... Do you live with your parents and stuff still? Here? Yeah. No, no, no, no. Exactly. Exactly. So, yeah. You're in control of what you do. Anyway, if you want this, this is just... Shows you where all the vegan stuff is. It's got some documentaries on there, like Cosmetics and... I don't know if you wanted to use that as a guide. I believe you're vegan yourself as well, yeah? Yes. How long ago? Nearly seven years. Seven years, you think? Vegan for the animals, mate. And we'll never go back. Yeah. Never, mate. I think that animal abuse is wrong. It doesn't need to happen. And I want to help be part of the solution. I don't want to be... They're innocent beings. Just like children, they can't stop us from doing this to them. They're sure. They're defenceless. Defenceless, yeah. We treat them like nothing, like they're vegetables. No, 100%. Anyways. Pretty good to meet you, man. Take care, brother. Trying to ask people to stop paying for this violence, so eating plant-based and staying away from animal products. Yeah, I've got an organic. But I've tried to become vegetarian as well. I see a lot of my friends have become vegetarian as well. But yeah, I've seen quite a lot of these videos. They sit and talk nice as well. We don't advocate for eggs or dairy as well, because the dairy cows are all slaughtered. The calves are slaughtered. The egg-lanquins are all slaughtered. The chicks are slaughtered. So we just try to be vegan, you know, like... That's your website, is it? This is a free help going vegan. So it's a challenge 22. Going vegan. So they give you a guide. If you open this up, man, I've got like restaurants that you can eat at. You can swap meat for eggs for... Here's some ethical documentaries and that. You look like someone who's against animal cruelty. Yeah. Yeah, there's not been human about that, is there? I mean, they like to tell us it's human. No, don't they? Especially here in the UK, they like to talk about Red Tractor and RSPCA approved and all of this. Don't get me wrong, I'm part of the problem, but I only eat chicken. I know it's still the same, but I always told myself, well, you eat most of the chicken, but they're not killed the same, though, are they? No, well, chickens, yeah, they're predominantly factory farmed over here. Yeah, that's it. The factory farmed are not looked after either, are they? Yeah, and they're all executed. I don't... You wouldn't execute another bird like a... If you saw a bird. No, no, I'm trying to eat it, I know. I mean, just whether if you're against animal cruelty, but you pay for your other hand, you know, you're not consistent there, you're basically... These places only exist because people buy the products, you know what I mean? Hey, buddy, how are you? You're a Joey Carves showman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just wanted to say that I'm a really massive, like, I think what you're doing is really good. Thanks, man. You're one of the reasons that. Oh wow, sick. Awesome, man. Yeah, don't want to get in the way, but I just wanted to say really appreciate what you're doing. Thanks, brother. Appreciate it a lot, man. Thank you, bro. Do you know what that is? Yeah, it's called pinnit. It's a gas chamber. How was it? I thought it was a heater, that one. No, a gas chamber. Yeah, no, because they're fresh. At least it's fucking gassy though, when they're not fucking cooking it. I've seen one where they just cook straight up, cooking it alive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is, there's one of these in Manchester, actually, over here. Don't get me wrong, I know it's... You know what I mean? Like you say, it's just the way I'm at, and I can't. But you're against it, I can tell already. I'm against it, yeah, but I can't, because you're stopping out of trouble. I'm sensitive. I don't understand why. Do you know what I mean? I'm looking in their eyes and I don't know what I mean. Me too, man. Yeah, this is... I mean, I think it makes you more of a... Yeah, I'm here to give my thing for you in a way, yeah. The things are closing away. Empathy. In a way, because in a way, people have brought me up. I have to be... I have to be detoxed from this. Like, I have to be detoxed from meat. Meat, yeah. I try to stop eating meat, you can't have it. I, it's like, but it engraves in life for some people. Yeah, but you can still get your burgers in that vegan burger. I know, but that's what I mean. It's like, you know what I mean? You have to be physically... to be physically withdraw from going away from that food, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. So I've got to try to stop it and then it was like, man, look at this disease here, and look through it and it's like animals and like this. Diseases, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Heart disease is the number one killer and cholesterol comes from animal products. But then you've got these pandemics and stuff coming out of the factory farms. Actually, human beings are not made to eat meat. I think I don't like that. Yeah, good, man. Have you seen this type of footage before? I don't think I've seen it. No, I haven't. Yeah, so I'm... Obviously I'm aware of other swaths and stuff. Yeah, so I'm basically showing people like stock standard stuff from the UK. There's a little bit of Australia. Australia and the UK are pretty, you know, much the same. Yeah. Would you say you're against animal cruelty? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I love animals. Yeah. I love animals. Well, there are different types of animals, like birds and... Look, they're kind of animals. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think everything... You don't see them any different between... I mean, in the world, I've got a good mind and as far as anchors and the pigeons up there, I'm right as much to live as you and me. Yeah. You know what I mean? Just because we're at the top of the chain doesn't mean we're any better or they're not my emotions. I understand that. You know, my dog has emotions. Yeah. And he's got emotions. I spent a lot of time in Asia. And the Buddhists said to me, I hate these people that kill for no reason. And I was told to a Buddha one time, and he said, Brad, he said, what to do is... He says, you've got the right to kill something. If your light's in danger, if it's going to put your light... I agree. He said, that's not against our Buddha way, but to kill just for fun or for no reason. What about for taste pleasure? What do you mean, as in like... Eating their bodies. No, I'll admit, I eat meat. You know, I can't afford to deny that. So when you're purchasing these products, you're paying for these animals to be tortured and killed? You've got to stop me to see this though. I didn't know it was that cruel or that brutal. Why don't the industry ever show you what goes on in the slaughterhouse? Why is it always us that have to? Of course, yeah, I understand why. The animals know there's something going on. They're all screaming the pigs and everything. Have you been to any of these places? Have you witnessed this? Yeah, I've been in chicken farms over here. I've been in pig farms over here. It must have made you infuriated. Yeah, well, this is why I get up here and do this. My answer to this is, when I see, obviously, the cruelty can be removed. Right, the cruelty can be removed, sure. You mean a lot of the cruelty? Yeah, for instance, right, for instance, if the meat industry is going to keep on continuing, which people are going to, can we not gas them? Can we not gas them? Would you say you're against animal cruelty? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I love animals. Yeah. I love animals. Well, they do gas them. Right, but all I'm seeing here is brutality and cruelty. Yeah, well, I mean, how would you, so, there's a billion, well, what do we got? So there's about a billion land animals being slaughtered in England every year. There's like 850 million chickens. How the hell are you supposed to raise that amount of animals without them cutting corners with welfare? How are you supposed to do that? And even if they could, like, let's just say these animals have a really good life. Like, let's just say that there's like a dog around here had a really good life free ranging really happy. Do you think it's morally justified to say they bolt gun them in the head, give them an instant death to eat their body if we've got, like, say, vegan options? Well, you don't sound like you're saying that. It's not like we're starving. So obviously you've been a vegan for many years now, yeah? Yeah, it's going on seven years. But you was immediately at one point, yeah. I was immediate. I was using drugs. I was in gangs. I was violent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like I'm trying to make a bit of a mens. But I think one of the worst things for me was that animals never did anything wrong to me. They were always innocent. And when I was in the gangs, there were people that were doing things wrong to each other and chickens, pigs. Sheep. They never did nothing wrong to anyone. And we treat them worse than the worst criminals on earth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, like 50% of the fish people eat are farmed. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, salmon. That's an excuse. Yeah, yeah. Okay, just what I mean. This is something that is a dolphin, is it? Well, no, it's a tuna. It's a bit of a tuna, is it? Okay. Do you think there's a moral difference between a dolphin and a tuna? No, no. Just trying to figure out what it was. No, no. But some people, most people do, don't they? Like, that's why I ask. Because dolphins are cuter, suppose. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They do nice hacks, you know. And they make sure their tuna in the can is dolphin free, but they don't worry about the tuna that's hacked up. I know what you're saying. Yes. I agree totally with what you're saying to me. So, you know, they've got this long delay, you know. Yeah. It's called speciesism, where people favor one animal over another, or they dictate, like, how one animal is treated over another. They're our dogs are friends, pigs are food. You can get some really good, like, beyond meat. You can get really good vegan burgers now. Like, there's a whole vegan section in the supermarkets now you can check out. Do you know that? Yeah, like. I want to wear this, because I like meat. I'm not selling it. I'm not selling it. I wouldn't like to stop eating meat, but if there's an alternative replacement. Yeah. There's some good ones, man. The man you've opened my eyes, can I know that? And then, yeah, I'd quite easily go down. I don't mind if they come around more. So, I quite like cooking. So, I'll definitely, I don't realize there's vegan meat available. Yeah, there's heaps of stuff. Linda McCartney's got a good vegan range. Just check on them. Yeah, I've heard that, yeah. But with dairy and eggs, obviously, we avoid them, because all them, there's more suffering in dairy and eggs, like, arguably, just because they live longer. The more suffering they have there in the dairy industry, have their calves taken, the male calves are killed, nearly onsite. A lot of them are killed onsite with the gun. And six years later, they get executed and turned into leather and meat. Anyway, these poor dairy cows. Most restaurants know the word vegan now. Yeah, I love that. Yeah. But it just means, vegan just means against animal cruelty. And I'll live consistently with that, you know? Yeah, yeah. My actions are consistent with my position against animal cruelty. Yeah, well, yeah. Yeah. I understand why you're coming from that. Yeah. Because the animals don't care if you say you're against animal cruelty. They care, like, what you do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I suppose you've had the argument saying, okay, so, say animals phased out. And I suppose you've had the argument, would it not be nice to give an animal a chance of at least six months of a life than not bother? You can say that about humans, you know what I mean? Because if you were born, you wouldn't know you were born. Whatever, you would be missing your life, doesn't it? I don't think that what happens to animals is justified just because the farmers give them life. Yeah, yeah. Well, that was my argument to put out to me. Because I did have this debate with a guy one time. Kind of. And I said, well, and it was about humans. I said, oh, I bet you lived and not lived. I said, well, you wouldn't know if you'd never lived. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, you could basically make a human slave camp with that justification. Of course you can, yeah. Yeah, you could read them, you could keep them. Yeah, well, and then you could kill them at six months, you know, a year worth of life and say, well, I gave them life. But I'll let you go, man. Yeah, man, I'll let you go. You check out this. Really good talking to you, man. Yeah, I'm on YouTube, yeah. Yeah, check out this. I definitely will. Yeah, no worries, brother. Take care, mate. See, you never know when people leave what they're going to do. But everyone that's watching this, that's not vegan. We'll probably get some seeds planted as well. So thousands of people watch these videos. And that influences people to change. The only rule metric I have of measuring is obviously hundreds of people messaging me, saying they've gone vegan, and challenge 22, which I think I've got about nearly 14,000 challenge 22 sign-ups since I started with my personal link. So, but yeah, you never know how people are going to change, when they will change, how they will change.