 We are about to have an interesting conversation with the one and only Prince Musao, his Kenyan author and writer. Good morning Prince. First of all, the name Prince. Is it on your ID? No, Prince is not on my ID. It's a nickname that I was given while growing up. I'm planning to pursue the process of having it formalized. You want to add it on your official ID, password, Kilamali birth certificate? Yes, because almost every other person knows me by that name. But you're originally from Mubasa? Yes. So maybe you can tell us a little bit of a short story. My interesting story is about where you come from, how was your childhood like, what inspired your journey, where did you school, career wise, who are you before we get to now writing of books? Okay, my name is Prince Musao. I was born and brought in Makueni. That is where I schooled from one, from standard one up to fourth form. So I set for my form for examinations during the post-election violence. That was in 2007. And unfortunately I didn't make the cut to the university. So the only option that I had was either to pursue a parallel degree or to join the military. And I opted to join the military. And you did join the military? Yes, I joined the military at 18. Pursued an intelligence career for 7 years until I left in 2015. Resigned or issues or got fired? Resigned. The reason? Because the military is intense. Some of the stories have heard, now that you're an author, there's this author of this book called Robin Shama who's also in military. The leader who had no title. I don't know if you read it but definitely you'll find out. He was also in the military but retired due to mental health issues because of the traumatic events that happened in that sphere. So for you was it traumatic? Am I just got tired, hung the boots and then you came to something else? Personally it was while in the military I started my studies in the University of Nairobi. And you remember during that time Kenya was at war with the Al-Shabaab and we were actively involved in the fight against the Al-Shabaab during that time. So at some point it became difficult for me to janko between my studies and my job and I had to choose one. Having had a passion for writing since childhood I opted to choose my studies and that is why I left. I have actually written, my second book is titled Tales of the War Front. It gives my entire story, my journey in the military during those seven years. It also gives some of my experiences in some of the operations that the military have successfully conducted like the West Gate attack. Right. Were you at the frontline at the West Gate attack that time? In intelligence you can't be at the frontline. Right. It's intense I know. Yeah. So at that time I was in intelligence. I had already moved from general duty to intelligence. And it's a busy desk? Yes. The Garis attack, whatever happened, there's a whole chapter on that. There's a whole chapter on the West Gate attack too. You said the book is Tales of the War Front. Tales of the War Front, an interesting book. Hopefully you have a copy. You leave it with me. Definitely I'll give you a copy. Yes, sir. So that book gives my entire story the eyes and the laws and up to the reason why I quit. Decided to quit military. Yes. So you quit in 2015? Right. So anyone who wants to get the whole story about my journey in the military can actually get a copy of that book. It's available in soft copy, paperback and hard copy. All right. That's your second book? That was my second book. Your first one? My first book is titled The Broken Snare. Interesting title as well. That is, yeah, it's a Christian book. I'm a versatile writer. So all my books are not in one gem because the first one is a Christian book. But the first two books are majorly revolving around my life. So The Broken Snare gives a future of some of the struggles that I have had in life. From childhood to a dark future career. Yes. And how God has come through for me at times that I didn't think that there would be any hope beyond that. Right. Yes. Interesting. Also in your first book, please tell us when did you write it? Did you write it well in the military? Am I out of the military or just before joining the military? The first book that I wrote in the military, I lost the manuscript. Oh. So I used to write in a book. So you'd like a journal? Yes. It's a journal where you can note in it. An event happens, you take a note, you jot it down. Yes. And you keep a record and then finally translate to a book. Yeah. But I lost that manuscript. So. You were disappointed? Of course, yes. Because it had a lot of accurate information. So The Broken Snare now happens now to be my official first. Okay. In 2019. Right. We launched it in 2019. Okay. And the other story, there's a story that I shared on my Twitter handle, it went viral about there's a certain church that I used to go to in Nairobi. And at that point I was going through so many things in life. Right. Wherever I was working at that time, the job ended, you have your landlord chasing you and stuff. Yeah. And then. He is family as well. Yes. And then all of a sudden the pastor's wife approaches you and tells you that they want to give you 600,000 to kill their husband. So it has a very juicy story. Please get deeper into it. Let's get to Shikiliapo. And then what happened next after this approach? And it's coming from a pastor's wife. Yes. So what happened, you see this is somebody that we had disengaged for some time, but she knew that she knew my professional background. Okay. So she knew that this is something that I could have done so easy. Because you've been from the military? Yes. And I have done intelligence. Right. So all of a sudden one day she calls me, tells me that she wants us to meet. Okay. And we go meet and we just catch up. At the end of the meeting she gives me 20,000. This is at a restaurant, at a hotel, at a restaurant, just right here in the city? Yes. But then I was in Nairobi. Okay. So she gives me 20,000. I don't understand what is a 20,004. Right. Was it like after you had a meal, you guys are saying goodbye? Yes. And she's like, ah, she can see, and she can bless, you know. Yes. And you took it? I took it. Okay. So she sets another meeting we made. And then now, in the second meeting is when she drops the bombshell as she wants. This is what she wants. Okay. And then one thing that I had shown to myself when I was living in the military is that I would not, I'll never use my military knowledge for kuminon activities. But I still had the expertise in intelligence. So I really wanted to know how these people had gotten to this point. Because growing up, this is a couple that we used to watch and admire because they were so much in love. And in church now to even make it big? Yeah. So I couldn't understand why all of a sudden they had fallen out of love to a point where one wanted the other one dead. And then so I chose to dig deeper. We talked about it, set another meeting, talked about it. And then all along I was recording everything with my phone in case anything happens. Yeah, because intelligence, you're always with recorders hidden. But they will also tell us if you guys even have cameras on their eyelids. You'll tell us later on. So you did the recording? Yes. So after that meeting now is when I told that I'll give you my feedback, I went home. So when I went home, I just packed my belongings and went to Shaggs. Nairobi to now Makweni. Makweni, right. Yeah, sit down with my parents because this is a couple that we all knew. And told them everything. Right. Your family knows them as well? Yes. Your dad, mum and even your siblings. Yeah. So it was shocking. How did they receive it when you told them that? See, the first reaction was like, is this a cooked story or are you high on something else? You're mentally going kuku because you're from military. There's always traumas that make you go kuku. So what did they react? They gave them the recordings. They listened to everything. And then afterwards now, that's when I made a decision that I will give all the evidence that I had to the husband. So without calling the wife, I would call the husband and told him that your wife wants you dead. Dead. I remember you. Before you proceed, please hold it there first. The reason, this wife wants the husband dead and the husband is a pastor, right? Yeah. Yeah, please. What was the reason? She was claiming that the man had become promiscuous and then he had become too violent and possessive and that, you see, all along the wife was working and the man was in ministry. So I think she had come to a point of feeling that I have made this man and then when he makes it then he starts doing other things here and there. I think those were basically the sources of the bitterness. So the reason is infidelity. Infidelity, violence and those kinds of things. All right. Now proceed from where you had left off. The husband, you've now told the husband your wife wants you dead. Yeah. The reaction? He was in a church setting actually. Okay. I think he left the church to go sit in a private place so that I can give him the whole story. Right. So I gave him the whole story, I sent him all the recordings that I had and we called it a day and I told him from now on whatever you do with the information that I've given you is up to you but I don't want to be involved in all this. All right. Yeah. So let's finish up with that part because I feel like I will now write that book. So what happened finally? The husband's reaction? I don't know. Fight, did they, you know, recommends, did they divorce? I don't know what happened immediately. But eventually the wife left the country. All right. So when she left the country, I think that means either they are separated or they divorced or something. Right. But like I said, I did not follow, I chose not to follow up the story again from that point. Till right now. Yeah. All right, done with that. I feel like I've already read it. Now to your book that's making you be here in the street with us is a dangerous test that has also an interesting story of this young lady who loses the parents and then she finally, because of pain, she falls into so many other things in the form of finding, you know, happiness and enjoying life and meeting her needs. So basically talk about dangerous thirst before we proceed. Dangerous thirst is a story, is based on a true story of a lad of a young girl who is born into a pastoral family still. Uh, the mother dies when she's young and she doesn't understand why God has to take her away at such an age. And she needed her the most. Yeah. And the fact that she sees her father probably for the sake in church and healing them. Yeah. Miracles happening. Yeah. And also serving God. Right. She doesn't understand why God has to take her away actually. Right. So the father remarries, but I think at that point he knows the fact that this is taking toll on his children. Sorry. Right. So Tiffany becomes from Miss Quas. From at first rebellious and withdrawn. By the time she's going to high school she has changed schools toys high school in high schools. She's a very bright girl but she's always out on disciplinary issues. Right. But manages to pass her KCSE exams well. Right. So after that, the exact period I think right now it has been scrapped the exact two-year waiting period before one joins the university. Right. So she's invited into a bash. Right. And when she goes into that bash she meets one young rich guy called Kelvin. Kelvin is driving a very heavy machine. Right. And she's like where in this world has this young boy gotten all this money from? Right. So the party is in Kelvin's house. Right. So after everything that happens she ends up in Kelvin's bedroom and then the following day is when she she realizes that she's been raped. She got in Topsica to do in that party then. Yes. You know it was going down like they say it's going down. It was late. Yeah. So in the morning they have a very bitter occasion because when she threatens to report the matter to the police and then everybody that was in the party intervenes most of her friend. Then she goes down and that is how her love affair with Kelvin starts. Months later she realizes that she's programmed for Kelvin. Okay. They get a child Kelvin gives a very good car. For giving him a child. A gift. Yes. Life continues. She's still asking Kelvin what do you do for a living. Without getting any substantial response. Then until one day the narcotics police unit officers come knocking at their door and arrest both of them. That is when Where is the location in this story? In Nairobi, Mombasa? Nairobi. Or in Nairobi. Yes. Okay. Sounds more Kilimani. Okay. So now this is when now she realizes that she has been dating a drug trafficker. Right. Yes. The bomb is dropped. Yeah. They arrested they spent several days in police cells. Now the father hiaza lawyer who manages to prove that there is no connection correlation between Tiffany and drugs. So at that time she's late of the hook but the guy is the guy is charged in court denied bail and the case proceeds until he he gets imprisoned for life. Right. So that is when the her last story with with Kelvin ends. Now talk about where she's now traveled abroad to go work with another different character. Amadis was still Kevin. No. This is a different dude. Yes. She's hooked up with. Yes. Okay. So when Tiffany comes to gets to university now she has a friend who introduces her to this the life of wababas and everything in the city. So they go to parties they then over the weekends they are paid around 50,000 those kind of things. Right. So then she start they start living life on the first on the first lane. The road now. On the soft life era. Yeah. Up to a point at some point in one of they introduce another young girl to the group and then everybody in every man in the team wants her. Right. So It's like a it's like a circle and you're pimped around different people who have different kinds of financial death. Yeah. Okay. So one draws draws a gun and starts shooting in discriminating. Right. Killing almost everyone in the house. Save for Tiffany and and Afrend. No, Afrend dies. Afrend dies so she is solo now. It is her and one of the men who are left. Because the guy who is the gunman also turns the gun on himself after doing all this. So what led to them doing that? Intoxication and attack, spiritual warfare whatever. No, it's not it's a fight like they were fighting for this new gun. Oh, I see. Yeah. I see. And then for a minute they got lost. Yeah. They were fighting for this new gun and this guy was like I am the only one who can have her. Yeah. Okay. So after that now you see that story ends and then she moves she moves on now to to the next stage. Okay. Where she dates her Dean at the university. Right. And black mails her into creating for into designing and hook up website for her. Yes. This is now where she meets the French boyfriend. Right. When she meets the French boyfriend they date in Kenya they live for quite almost a year. Okay. When while the guy is is organizing travel documents for her. Right. Then they they finally fly out. They finally fly out. Only to realize as we summarize. Only to realize that she has actually been pimped. She has she has she has fallen into a trap. Right. Sold out. Yes. Up to she is she is into she is in sex slavery for almost six to eight months. Yeah sex trafficking. Yeah. Until one day she manages now to escape to the embassy. She is repatriated back to Kenya. Right. Manages to finish her degree and now starts a mentorship program to mentor young girls against sex trafficking and making some of the decisions that she has made. And also creating awareness to parents. Right. So that they also need to to be keen on the emotional impalances of or literally mental health awareness of their children. Of their children. Yeah. Right. You really have powerful storylines. I pray one day you make it to the New York best selling others in the world and definitely you will. Please don't forget to give me a call. But now let's proceed away from that. You know writing is very powerful. It's a very powerful form of expression. Even as journalists in journalism class you're taught to be an excellent writer. You have to be an excellent speaker. Yes. And then an excellent editor as well. But now for writing were you channeling into it as a means of self expression because of these things that you've been through? And then I feel like some of your stories would definitely work well in TV as films and movies. I don't know how did that actually manifest for you? Personally I think I got a passion for writing right from when I was young. And then this grew with the things that were happening around me I felt that documenting them would be a way of expressing myself and telling my story to the world. And then this grew up now to the point that now we started I came to start writing the books that I have and some that are also yet to be launched. All right so you cannot briefly take us to a person who wants to write a book. Initially you talked of writing down notes hand notes nearly any combining story lines left and center. And then finally so if a person who wants to professionally take that journey of coming up with a book how do they go through that process? Do you need maybe like an editor? There's even books that have a forward I know you're familiar with a forward you give to someone who gives even a dissertation as well and even some inside quotes as well. So please take us to that journey of having a book. Okay the first step of having a book is developing the storyline. So when now you develop the storyline you walk through it write the story up to the end then you do your own correction for the grammar and edit whatever you think you may have written that doesn't need to go out. There after that you need to there are two having is after that now. Whether you want to do the traditional way of publishing which most writers are walking away from or self publishing Personally I've walked through the self publishing journey. So now in self publishing like in my case I always look for my own editor. I know several editors around. Okay. So you give them the book so that they can do thorough editing for any of the same. Right. So you can sit down with a professional book editor. Yes. You share with them your notes and they come up with a whole a sketch or a whole draft of a book. No it is you come up with a draft first. You come up with a draft first. Yes. Now when you come up with a draft you now give it to the editor. Right. The work of the editor is not to is to thoroughly edit the book make sure each chapter develops into the other and everything flows. Right. And grammar is correct and everything. Right. When they do this now you go to the next stage of layout and designing the cover and stuff. Now The titling as well. Yes. Right. When you after this now you give the book to you approach any of the publishers that we have who self publish for others because it's not everyone who self publishes. Right. So you get your first three copies and then if you want somebody to give you a forward as you indicated you know you have to give them the book first. Right. They read and then they write a forward. It's like some sort of an affirmation or Yes. To that book to make it valid that your eye brands they validate it. that prints is you know and I break this book because it can help 1, 2, 3. Yes. So they they write a forward and then it is included in the book Right. On the cover on the cover still. Right. Then now the publisher does the final printing. So when you do the final printing the next step now is the next step is getting it into the market which is one of the most difficult things. Right. Yeah. You have to have a sound distribution channel. You have to and now the era of digital media you have to have something called an e-book translating to even an audio book. Yes. And now podcasts as well. And that's where actually one of the best bookstores that we have comes in handy for us because they have an app where if somebody wants to to read an e-book they just don't know the app buy it from it and then read from the app. Right. Yeah. So you have now to approach this every other distribution channel that you may need to use and also create awareness. Even with outlets physical outlets like models I have a friend who we interviewed here here on Tuesday as well. She has written a teens guide to the constitution and she's also reaching out to people even physically and giving them saying hey read this book it will help you understand the constitution it's important for you to read this book. Yes. And that's doing a lot of work. Yeah. Going door to door telling people you know it's a lot of energy and time. Yeah. And also attending events making sure that you are well linked to socializing people. Where book festivals and events are happening you be there make sure that your book is visible. And also with the media and social media and everything. Right. It's it's that is a uphill task now. So now when you push you come to a point and say now I can launch the book like what we're doing today. Like have like a book party launch. Yes. We're launching a dangerous dust at Aliens Fancy. Right. It's a very powerful place as well. I used to visit the way back Niki audition kwa actor but now I'm an actor here. What happened? Good story. We'll talk about it. All right. So box still to your books still on that professional part. So your stories are they fiction, truth best or what are they? Truth or fiction? The truth. Okay. They are non-fiction. Both true accounts that happen to real people real life situations. Yes. The three books that I have are real accounts. There's also some there's something good that I'm also coming up with. I don't know how the church will receive it. Related to Shakahola. And this false prophet that we've been having around. It's called pulpit bandits. Hopefully they want to pray again as to you disappear. But I can't wait to also read that. It can be a good documentary as well for even TV. Now that you are an ex-military I think you have so much to offer. Yeah. Now let's get to a different trajectory. When writing actually writing happens in so many forms. There's like three types of writing. And I believe the first one should be narrative writing. Narrative or narrative where you're explaining accounts of events unfolding from one leading to another to another. And I believe most of you as your writing style is narrative. Yes. Right? Yes. Okay. Do you have maybe another one that has a different form of writing? The other one is called expository. But I think this one more happens in documentaries and Apazdora's experience of being like a news editor or something. You're exposing facts. And I believe the one you've just hinted right now about pulpit bandits you use expository as a style of writing where you're exposing some people mentioning them, dropping them so literally hiding them in metaphors as a style of writing. Right? Yes. Okay. But for the first three it's been narrative because like the first two they are true accounts of my life. Dangerous thus is a true account of our friend. But when we go to pulpit bandits definitely it can't be narrative because I think it's expository. You're exposing some hidden mysteries about this profession. Yeah. So you'll be exposing some of the style is expository writing. Yeah. Right. So when is it coming? I can't wait. In fact I'd love to read that one first. It should be coming out before the end of the year. Before the end of the year. So for any recordings you've gathered like you went somewhere recorded, have some clips from written material because that's also part of the proof. Yes. You see like the fact that I've been that I live in Mombasa will still you that definitely I have attended I have gathered enough information about the Shakaola thing. So you've been at Paul Makenzi's church before? No, no, no. But you have intelligence on it? Yeah. Right. Then on so many other things I've been in two churches here in Nairobi. Right. I've been to churches in in Nakuru. I've seen so much that is happening. Right. So it's quite explosive in that book. Just a little bit touch up maybe what caught your attention what are the similarities of behaviors in these events? Like you've seen it in this church it's definitely happening in this church. Either people here being scummed others here they're using dark forces to manipulate people and others people are just being like you guys need to wake up you need to wake up because you guys konagitu me fanyu like a spell or something did you gather some some material like that? You see the most the biggest tool that these people use is indoctrination. Right. That's why you will find that most of this of these fany, fany pastors they will not invite any other pastor to their pulpit or something. It has to be them on the mic every other time they are having a service and if you realize like most of them now have moved from the mainstream media they are creating their own TV stations where their believers have to to watch that throughout the day and they broadcast the assignments throughout the day. So they've confund them to a certain you find that if you're being if you're continuously being fed the same story for quite some time and this is what happened with the Shakhawath people you indoctrinate these people and somebody you know you can't help somebody who is who is following a false prophet because they have been indoctrinated to a point that even if you tell them sense they will think that you are going to believe Yeah. Right. And is it something maybe that you would say if maybe if you had to intervene in that Shakhawath event and maybe tip would you go to that extent of giving up dishing out information to the DCI or since you're an ex-military you know you know all the authorities and all the levels of that line would you go to that extent and tell them hey guys I have I have all the tips that you need to actually come this story down but I I guess they also have this information but why are they not acting on it You see in most cases intelligence guys don't prosecute that is one of the limitation and then again you see the decision is always to the commanders most of these people these characters are known you will not tell me that somebody woke up one day indoctrinated people more than 600 people to death and the local authorities in Kilifi need no we have a story where one of the cabinet secretaries when she was an MP once complained that this this guy is the makenzi all makenzi is has been arrested so many times but always finds his way out out on bail on bail and these kind of things yeah so it's not like these things are not known so they are somehow connected to even authorities is that what you would say I wouldn't say I wouldn't authoritatively say that my point is that or everything that happens you see even if you you are a police officer and you arrest someone you take them to court and the court grants them bail what else can you do because every Kenyan has the right to presumption of innocence until proven guilty yeah so there is nothing else you would do with them until the case proceeds to conclusion right yeah so these are some of the some of the bureaucracies in dynamics that happen in prosecution in when prosecuting some of these cases and that is why for example you've seen there has been with the makenzi story the DPP has amended this they charged it so many times there is a time it was released and immediately re-arrested in the court arrestings and those kind of things right because of the bureauc the dynamics of of the law yeah right so the law enforcer or even the the DCI who are prosecuting the matter okay they are also tied by the law right if the judge if a magistrate grants someone you see if this thing was happening and it had not caught the attention of the media probably he would be out he would have been granted bail bail again you can't yeah so you can't you can't crucify the investigating officer he did his work filed his report took it to the DPP they took the person to court the court granted them bail right yeah as we finalize on that for makenzi do you feel like he is he is finally going to be assassinated or he'll be life imprisoned because in the recent update that was that happened last week he was in court actually they had like a demonstration in court saying they're being denied food they're being denied the basic human rights and he deserved to to eat and be like anybody else he even told the judge one day you will die too as well so do you see him dying or being imprisoned forever or a miracle is going to happen again and he's released on bail we have the CS saying that this guy will never come back that is if the law is for lord but then again most of these remanties when they in prison and their cases are taking too long the world has come up with no manner of drama in court it's not the first case that we have seen such drama happening in courts and then also I don't believe that the prison authorities can deny anyone food it's not possible because if this person dies in your position or in your custody you will have to explain what happened so I don't think I don't think it is possible for someone to for a prison commander because when they leave the court they are taken back to the prison so they are not in the hands of the police officers anymore right so I don't or whatever happened in court last week was just drama there is no way there's no hope for him to be out anytime soon you see when you come to a point that you you know that you've lost up completely you can do everything anything because you have nothing to lose to lose yeah there's a guy in Machakos right he was remanted in Machakos but going to court in Kitui right he had killed 19 people so he had 19 murder cases right at one point he he he came to the court stuck naked there's nothing you can do right and you see he's doing that because he knows that he has nothing to lose by the time even this the hearing of these murder cases are over you'll be probably 80 right still on that as you move away the Monica Kimani since you're an ex military and also an intelligence personality do you feel like Joey Rongo is guilty and Jackie Maribi is guilty judging from their body language because you guys are trained on body language as well you just look at a person and you're like I know things but you don't know do you feel like her body language tells a story of guilt and Joey as well I will not comment on that please I wish I wish you would guess that but it's all right it's all right but okay yeah me too me I'm just asking I'm here to ask now as an ex as an ex military officer joined the military at 18 you know what is happening to your personal life is there successful marriage for you as a writer do you have kids what is your family saying and now that you know you have all these things you've had to write these books what is going on in your personal life in my personal life I think I'm the senior most eligible bachelor in Kenya right now but I have one beautiful son and some sensor is 8 that is uh what else that is my family life yeah still in touch with the mother from partially in talks no not at all what about now your real biological family what do they say about you now that they know you have all this information you are an ex military because there's also some sense of fear that comes around being a person who is from the military you've seen traumatic events you've participated in some of them as well do people fear you do they especially after you've given them your story you're like ours and in the army are they like they hold back a little bit no no no no no not at all you see to my to my dad and mom I will always be their child to my brothers and sisters I will always be their sibling right so and these are people who know me they are people who know that despite all this it never changed me and then like you see where where where people the society starts fearing you and the security organs starts start following an ex military is when you come to the point to a point now you start using your military knowledge for criminal activities because you see you will not be released to the society and then they just let you go they will definitely watch over you right so you help people tracking you as well till today for now it's done since you resigned in 2015 it's been long and I have proven myself that I'm not doing and I'm not engaging in any criminal activity so why do you have to bother me all right actually we are in the process I mean talks with the KDF so that they can adopt tells of the warfront right as one of their books in one of their documentaries in their libraries or say they'll have it even in video format as well yes filmed, edited and also sold out yeah I feel like you can be a good catch for Netflix if you get a contract very soon would you consider that if they said hey please welcome on board if the opportunity comes comes up why not yeah all right do you have a gun because probably you must have you definitely must have a gun for what you must have a gun you want to tell me bro you don't have a gun for what you do have a gun who do I have to protect myself against you see most of these people anybody who needs additional security it's either you engage in in criminal activities or something or these funny funny deals the former chief justice William Motwonga you always find him working working around alone driving himself I've met him several times along Gong Road taking a stroll with no bodyguard or something because I believe as long as you're not doing and you're not doing and you're not involved in in criminal activity right why would somebody follow you why would somebody want you dead yeah because you have intelligence and then that next stuff why okay there's a code of contact and that governs you as an exo ex-militari and the official secret act yeah so if you you you well know that if you leak information that that that you held in confidence yeah you can that one can that that is a child what if you held you agreed with someone to murder someone and promised to hold it in confidence but you left it um agreed as a security officer over the next exo ex-militari eighth of the eighth of those sides you see uh no let's let's leave that because you are just about to give us the secrets so my goodness I'm trying my best to get that you no no no so sir before before before we live maybe before you tell us how people can get your book and support you and buy it yeah I can see you have a tattoo on your right hand maybe what is the name of that tattoo what does it mean why did you make that decision to have that tattoo on your right hand perhaps if you can tell us this is it's written royalty meaning something it came from from the virtue of my name prince okay so and then I coined it from that actually a prince is is is is is born into royalty into into a royal into a royal family and those kind of things and you can see there yourself that of course yes okay because we are watch the sons and and and the name of god right so we we are a royal priesthood so that is where I coined this this one from so it's a royalty yeah all right now tell us where people can get your book and if anyone wants to participate in your book launch you said it's happening it's happening at aliyos phone say yeah today at one time from for 30 p.m. all right you can give them details if there's a number an account or a pay bill right now as we go anyone that wants to participate if you want to get any of my books they are available at Nuriya bookstore you can you can download their app you can search them from on all social media platforms and also so the books are available as as paperback ad copy and ebooks so for the ebook you will have to go through the app all right there's a link or a website you just download the Nuriya app and then you search the titles or you just search my name prince musal you will see the books that are under my name yeah so the Nuriya app is to protects us from piracy because you can't forward the book you can only read it from that it's read only you can't download it from the app right you can only read it from there right yeah and then for the event we're launching dangerous dust today from 4.30 pm at Allianz Fonse the entry is a copy of the book but well if you don't have it where can you get it you can if you don't have it and you in town and when you interest it to come you can see who come all right but it's a number they can call to get in touch with you yeah my number is 0717 19 1499 yeah all right yeah definitely that's what they can get it yes all right who are some of the people that will be there as we go we'll have Diana Kamandi is she is she's a leader of of an NGO that is championing women and widows right okay and we'll have a host of other writers right senior writers also expect expecting some of them like Athan Manawali and some other guys yeah right that would be an interesting event yeah all right we wish you the very best personally I can't wait to see you in the New York best selling you know as a best selling author syndicated published all right and we hope you speak into Prince Musal thank you so much for coming through and sharing with us all the experiences and all the knowledge that you have thank you all right here's what we call it a day thank you so much for watching my good name is Sako see you next time 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