 It is six o'clock, and I will call two meetings to order. First up is John's public comment. Yes, sir? Yes. Can I have Fleischer from Waitesfield? Uh-huh. And I'm here to speak about this lot out of the school board and this what they're calling the U.S. and I. And hopefully you all received an invitation to attend some of the meetings that they're going to have in the next couple of weeks. Is that correct? Specifically, as a board? No. Yeah, I thought that Cable Hollis, who's the chairperson of the board in all of the schools, as I will check on that. You might have invited the R.R.E.P.s, but I- No, the R.R.E.P.s, but it seems a bit of a thing. No, this is- Okay, I'm trying to get- Okay, when they didn't respect your choice for the replacement representative last year, I raised our- You're going to be able to call it a value for that. That wasn't- Okay, thank you. I'm really concerned that in the next four or five years we could end up having two elementary schools for the four Valley Counts pre-K through four with a hundred students each. You know they've been talking about some of the plans moving the seven to eight graders from the Harvard Middle School, but specifically closing Harvard Middle School, moving them to Cross-A-Rook, which is a good school, but I'm not going to mention that in any way. But Bridget Nieces, the superintendent's original plan from December of 2017 was that fifth through eighth would all grow through Cross-A-Rook. And that's going to lead just two schools. You know they've already taught that plan, probably you were aware of it, talked about closing Moortown, and they faced them when they did Moortown. Basically, I'm asking you to get involved. I'm holding the fire alarm on this one. They're working on this right now. And I'll be going to all the Valley Counts, so it's nothing unique to Moortown. I mean, I'll be going to all the select boards. I attend all the school board meetings, all the other meetings that I can attend, but they're very vocal about many issues. But if you don't get involved in 10 years, there's going to be two schools for four Valley Towns, pre-K-64. And we'll just read a little thing I wrote that presented this at the school board also. The big problem I have is sending Valley students to Waterbury is the loss of their energy and activity from the Valley. We want the students to be engaged in the towns in which they live, and their parents attending school activities like PTA and award ceremonies and after school activities, and sports and lunches and lectures, et cetera, locally. The Valley has four excellent elementary schools, so I'm sure we'll create an equally excellent middle school. Moving five to eight students to Waterbury would bet the Valley of all that student, pairing energy and economic vitality and move it to Waterbury. I think that is very unfair and unbalanced. A six to eight grade Valley middle school would have about the same number of students as CrossFit does for those grades. I think that creates a good and fair balance within the district. Then both the middle schools would need a ninth grade at Harvard on equal food footing. I also have ideas to create a magnetite program on sustainable living in the middle school that is to be determined. Basically, I have an agenda. I want a middle school created in what we call the southern end of the district, which includes all around the town. It's the sort of common sense place of being in the Wheatsfield area just because of its physical location related to the four Valley towns, but it wouldn't have to be necessarily. Do you know if there are problems with expanding more town, like if more town was repurposed through a middle school, more town school? Is it in a flood plain or does it have other septic restrictions? Is anybody aware of that? It may have a septic restriction, but that could be just a matter of explaining what they have there now. It was a physical limitation. Not that I'm aware of. No, not that I'm not aware of. That's one of the things they're considering is repurposing possibly in the Wheatsfield school or the middle school. If they were going to do that, they had to come to school or build a middle school. I was in construction for 20 years. I'm out of game for a new middle school six to eight. I think we could build it cheaper. The problem is finding a location. If anybody can think of a location, contact me or, well, me, because I'm sort of the only one that's really advocate for pushing for this. I talked to the phone company. That field next to them would be perfect, but apparently that's a flood plain that they're building. So, Haley's got what they call the fairgrounds. It's up on the hill behind his little farm there. That's a possibility of Wheatsfield. The other one is Ben Flemmer. So, four acres next to the polo field there. And they could use the polo field for athletic activities. So, I'm asking for help. And I'm saying, if you guys don't pay attention, this dude's just going to watch it go by and see what's going to happen. Okay, nothing in it for myself. I don't have kids in the school. I've got two grandkids who actually will be leaving the country. So, what are you saying, middle school, six to eight? I think six to eight. I don't personally, there's some dispute among academics whether changing schools after fourth grade or fifth grade is best. I've read articles that are on both. I'm not an academic, to be honest. I've taught on other things like that, but I'm not a professional. I don't present to be that way, but I read a lot and it makes sense of stuff. And I think six to eight, partly because it's smaller in terms of the physical construction of either a new school or any kind of renovation. It's just one grade less. It's another percent, roughly 60 to 70 students less if you added a fifth or eighth grade. Personally, I think that changing schools after fifth grade students are a little more mature and a little better. My grandson actually was visiting this weekend in the switch mass, and he actually goes and they go four through five and then they have a six to eight and then they go to high school again. So, basically you'd have one, two middle schools, a hearty berry, a duck's berry, and then a valley school. I mean, think about if you lost your elementary school. Think about the effects on the time. So, we're talking about doing that kind of thing to all four towns with all our students, all that energy going up to Waterbury, where the students go after a school or sports event to get creamies or whatever or get pizza or parents having to drive back and forth to pick up the bussing. It's a little longer, it's a footprint, a bigger carbon footprint, probably not the most dramatic effect, but just think of all that energy going up to Waterbury and then what parents, we're already having problems keeping parents with young families moving here. I've got a, unfortunately, probably facing these to be closed. There's only six to eight students who just cancel the third grade. Convert it to housing for families. Offer them incentive, affordable housing, or for teachers who have young kids. The only way we're going to reduce the tax costs on our education is by getting more students. None of this consolidation, no planning teachers, no planning programs, no prison buildings. At best, we'll slow the rate of increase. Which is better than nothing, but we're not going to reduce costs. The only way we've got the same resources as a class that's got a teacher that's got 16 or 18 students that's capable of having 25, you're going to get the same amount of money with the same classroom and the same teacher. And then you get more money and it'll reduce the tax rate or reduce people from growing up. So I'm talking about being creative and creating incentives to have people move in. I have an idea, like I said, about a middle school that's kind of like focused on sustainable living just because of the energy we have for growing things here in the Valley, food production and alcohol production and things like that. STEM is a big thing now, you know, we could have, but you can get very technical with a lot of agriculture and growing indoors and computerized nutrients and stuff like that. Anyway, I'm just asking for your help. I'm asking you to get involved and pay attention. You should have received an invitation that you just slip by. If not, there's going to be activities. Probably it'll be in the Valley reporter. Katie knows about this. If not, I can email you the list and they're over the next couple of weeks. There'll be some during the daytime. If you want to hear more talent, definitely one in each town, seven in daytime, and you're going to school at the school. So I'll make sure that you get that. There's less of an unfortunate one, isn't it? The list of... Yes, Kristen saw a post of that. Exactly, yes. But you shouldn't use it because I spoke to this school board about inviting all the select boards and I was told it was done. So I will double check on that. Okay. I'm not on the school board. I want to be clear. I don't have any official capacity with the school board. Right. I've just given help. Yeah, okay. Okay. Now, I mean, we've discussed this as a board quite a bit. And certainly we're just... We have this shader opinion that these are community. This is the community of our schools and Moortown is very vibrant and we've never really had a straight answer from the school board as to why they've targeted Moortown. It just doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason. Targeted... In terms of one of the schools they were talking about to close and I mean, there was just no reason that we could see. So and nobody could see... The face of the society is small but they're like back to Monday like we're never one now. They're like four to five at the same time. So now it's nothing personal. I hate to say it but Moortown, I'm sure it isn't. Mr. Sagan's superintendent's ideas are not my favorite. I've read a couple of pieces that you may have read about before. I've kept on looking. Yeah. And I have nothing against ideas being floated but we've never seen any solid detailed plans with reasons to do what they were suggesting. So we haven't had any. We just couldn't have ideas with no backup and no pieces. But they are developing those now. They've actually had a couple of votes that would have moved all the students. They've had two votes already that would have moved the second age graders to cross the court. Fortunately they got voted down. But I raised hell when I came back last March and saw what was going on and I actually got censored before I know people have done that. Because they tried to shut me down and then they, the lawyer says, I can't do that. But they, and that was that they're doing better now. I'll give them some credit for doing better with their organization. Doesn't mean their reasons. They're requesting hearing from the community. That's what all these meetings are about. But they're not like academic or intellectual studies and not what's best. You know, Bridget put it, you know, Superintendent put out. She said, oh, we could save a billion dollars if we need this. But you didn't have any basis for them. No, you know, I'm a stick worker. Okay, show me the money. You know, like I said, I work in construction. I just tore apart the presentations they've had from the architect. This Truex conference, you know, was, I just wasn't honest. The architects are always going to try and build up because they want to have their name on something. You know, that's their job. That's fine. It's my job. It was as a contractor who worked with their client to help with cost reasons. So, I appreciate you hearing me out. I'm begging you to get involved in any way you can. You know, send representatives to at least or all of you attend them one or more of these meetings. And you have to be here and you can't have to be anywhere. Come to the school board, speak up, ask questions. If they feel they're getting oversight, they're going to probably be, you know, more responsive. And I will say that the new chairperson is much better than the previous one. She's much more open than trying to include the community. I'll give them credit. They're doing better. But this next couple, it's not like next year. They're talking about making decisions, having information now that they'll make a decision in September for presenting a bond in next March for town music. All right. And it could be anywhere from 20 to 36 million dollars. That's easy. Don't get me started. So, I'm happy to answer any questions. I'm happy to help in any way I can. I will send you an email so that you'll have my email address. And thank you for your time. Very much. Thank you so much. You want to write down your name and email address? Okay, next up is Dan Von Trapp. Actually, I spoke with Dan earlier today. He's down building a pond. And he's got a request to the select board. So... Yes. Go to it. So, I said Dan Von Trapp. Remember, Jordan had farm. They will go farm off and go road. I'm self-taught. And yeah, I'm in the permitting process. And just today, with David working through it, and it came to the end where there's the fees. And with pond construction, apparently, I don't know how many ponds have been built in Moortown. But anyways, it seems kind of funny that square footage is used just like house square footage is used. It's a structure, you know? So, roughly, my plans are about 250 feet by 50 feet. And so, it seemed to me kind of like a 10 cents per square foot. So, it's $1,250. Wow, that's kind of a slash, but whatever. But we had an idea that if there's interest, if the town wants to be able to use the pond as a fire pond or a... I guess we would call it a fire pond or, you know, access to be able to grab water from it whenever they feel necessary, I would be totally down to that being the case if you guys were to weigh the fee. So, that's what I'm proposing is if I don't have to pay that fee, then, I don't know, if it sounds like a good thing, it sounds like a fair deal to me. But, yeah, I don't know where our fire access is in that area, whether we already have a pond there or not, I don't know. We'd have to... Is there anything? There's nothing. I'm curious. Not pretty positively. Yeah, I am. There isn't a camp. I can't remember an instance of this in the class. I mean, where do you guys know? Is there certain locations? I mean, we have nowhere at the Mad River. Right, up on Matter v. Yeah, right. Well, down across the river, right? Then there's one down further on Matter v. Right, and we have one more time. Conway, I believe. There's one on the common. There's definitely not one on the south, though. Right. I have a three-foot pond. This house is really close to myself. Yeah. So your pond is accessible with the fire equipment? Yeah, so we're on the location. At the very end of Go-Road. And so basically the plow turnaround is our driveway. And then there's a little... It's about 50 feet. It kind of goes up a steeper grade right to where the pond would be. And that's, I mean, we drive on it all the time. I don't know if it's something that we thought this was a good idea. And then you're like, have the town guys, maybe just upgrade that little section to more of a maintained, better access for the fire department to be able to access. I don't know. Just in case, you know, it's like, I don't even know how you get the water out. Is it like, do they have to have a hydro hookup? Or do they have a special dry hydrant? Right. They build it in the pond, which they could put their hoses on to. But in a pinch, I believe they could just stick a pump in there and pump the water out. But so I'm suggesting that maybe the fire chief, get together with the fire chief and his own administrator, take a look at if it works. And, you know, I think that's a reasonable solution. Yeah, I agree with that. You know, if it works with the fire department? Yeah, okay. I think more. They're in a meeting right now. Oh, are they? Yeah. Yeah. So that makes sense. I mean, I think it's possible. I don't think they'd mind. I don't think they'd want to. No? No. Okay, that's cool. I also want to point out a little bit more in the public head right now. Yes. So to what use is put, what work has to be done to permit a climb, it does sound like a lot. So, you know, we may want something, but not. Well, if I have no idea what it takes to permit a climb, I think I see something in the back that can tell me. Not that one. Yeah. I've been studying songs for a long time. Yeah. Pond is a structure. Pond is built as a hole in the ground under the rain. It is something that can be approved by the zoning administrator. In this case, there's going to be a barn, a dam built up. And in those cases, it's a conditional use and it requires the DRB. So there's going to be a DRB fee associated with this application, as well as the building permit application. I look hard and long because that $1,250 seems to speak to me, but according to the rules, it's a structure and that's the price per square foot. And that's what it comes out to. As a consolation to Mr. Vantrop, we don't charge for that. So. When I consider kind of zero of this, it's effectively the same. If you were ground level, if you were issued. Right. And as a dam, there were then questions regarding what it might affect. If you were fed. So, how high would it be? So as a dam has burned, it's a conditional use and the zoning requires that there be a certificate of safety provided by a licensed engineer and that's going to be another review process for the DRB. So that's paid for by the DRB and not the applicant? No, that's paid for. So do you pay for that anyway? So. There's that fee, the engineering fee, and then there's the DRB fee. So it's going to be $275 for the DRB and then at least $500 for engineering the thing. So then for me to look at another $1,250, I'm like, it's starting to happen. So $275 for the DRB plus the control fee based on the square footer, plus your expenses for engineering and stuff like that. So that's being your problem. And last you want to just go, yeah, now. Well, I think Ray's suggestion is a good one. As a matter of fact, if you want to scoot over there and do you have to talk to them now, Stefan Pratt is the fire chief. And if you're not just going over here and they say yay, then I'll let the whole lot of weight of us. Okay. And so if they think it's a good idea, you guys think it's a good idea. Where does this go from here? Yeah, you're probably looking to start. So that's the thing. Yeah, I'm actually like really jumping at the bit because of multiple things. We hold events and there's events coming up and I'd like to be able to get this thing in the ground and grass starting to grow anyways before it doesn't look like a bomb went off up there. And I should have started this months ago. I didn't, but I think that's right. Seems like we need some sort of legal agreement or something. Oh, right away. You need to write my name. Yeah, something that guarantees us access, you know. Right. Suggested for that could be to have that in the process of position upon approval by the DRB. So the access is required. That might be cheaper than having a lawyer do it. I'm not a lawyer. I don't know. I'm just suggesting that could be a possible alternative. And now we're going to get access to that. We're also in front of the commission. Yeah, you can put that. You've been looking. You had mentioned that support waiting. Upgrading up the road. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if that's what the fire department and or town crew decided was the best way to do it in order to facilitate getting trucks up there safely year round or whatever. That's that's fine with me. So scoot back now. Yeah, I don't know that we can make a decision that we don't have the full word, but again, I don't want to hold you up here. Well, yeah. Is that I mean, is there a possibility that we can get a decision that had to go to work? You can always do it pending. You can wait the fee as of tonight pending the next board meeting. So you can start the process. And not to throw any wrinkles. And what do we need to get you to do? Right. Yeah. So I probably be able to start. Oh, no, I can't start until I have the meeting. Yeah. So I have a couple of weeks to have it in the paper and my papers. Right. No, but I'd like to be able to just check anything and everything off the list as soon as possible. Sure. Okay. Okay. Well, all right. I'll look at that. All that. Yeah. I'm just on back. Okay. So I'm going to step in. Pratt. Step in. Pratt. Yeah. I texted him. I thought you were coming. Okay. All right. Thank you guys. Good night. I did get a email from the DRB saying that it would probably be for this month. They would want to try to get it formed this month, their meeting. Yeah. Well, good. Okay. I have calls probably here for subdivision. No, I'm actually here for a first for a public comment. Okay. I'm going to move the front door. I'm going to move the front door. Okay. Yeah. So beginning next year is going to be a sugar operation on my property on the Bradley Road. Mm-hmm. And there won't be a sugar house on site, so the reception will be trucked off of Bradley Road in the sugar house. And the end of Bradley Road is now Class 4, and it's about 0.28 miles, I guess, along with the Class 4 section. And the road really needs to be upgraded because it's, at that point after it goes from Class 3 to Class 4, it's pretty much a ditch at this point. Many years ago, Craig was going to upgrade the road, but there's one of those projects that was on the back burner that never got finished. So we've looked at trying to upgrade the road, but the road basically is in a, in a hollow now, and there's probably, we couldn't have banks on either side of the road. So to bring the road up, so that it would actually shed water again, to bring the road up a couple feet, which is not really quite an option. There's high ground to the left of the existing road that would make a nice road, but then the existing road would continue to be a ditch, basically. So I'm wondering about the possibility of the town bus for giving up that last section of the town road, so that we could just, we could use it as a ditch, or get this out, or I don't know if that's possible or not, but that's kind of the way I'm thinking is financially it's much easier to fix the high ground adjacent to the existing road than this to fill up the old town anyway. So the high ground we're talking about, is that town right away, or is it in the right hand? Yes. Yes. Yeah, it's a jack, you know, I don't know if it's the last foot road we're going to put right away to, or is it 25 feet or something? I think it's, it's either two or three, or I don't think they vary. Yeah, so portions of it are probably still in the town right away. They pretty much would follow almost exactly the town road, except over 25 feet from the sign line, and they're gradually losing, losing their way from the existing town road. I know that Martin's talked to a sugar maker about it, and there he is. He's right there. Hey Martin, are you available for sight? Yeah. Talking about the road and sugar, right? Yeah, a little bit about it. Yeah, so I kind of told him it's kind of a ditch now. Yeah. To bring the road up, so you guys have ditches and whatever, it's a different project. Yes, and I told Timmy that I'd be willing to probably put a little, maybe two in to get to where I turn around anyway, but there's no material there, but it is right now anyways. So I told him I'd be willing to put a little bit into that just to help myself out, but it would be all on him from there above. So my conversation has been, can we get the town to abandon the end of the road and put a new road next to it, or that's kind of what I'm thinking about. So how do you feel, Martin? I guess I don't. I guess I'm Switzerland? Neutral? I don't know. I don't, didn't really have a thought about it. I mean, I guess that'd be a town decision, it's like a court decision, if there's any value to have in keeping that. Like, honestly, don't even know where it goes. We didn't have a period or something. Yeah. No, that's not true. Like a big process to abandon the road. That's not, it's just in there. Who's on that section plus forward? Well, we will, so we'll look at it in a minute. Okay. Who's the old house at the end of the road? Well, I guess that's my, I mean, thoughts on the road here. Do I have to make a formal request, or I'm sure I'll explore a little more of Martin to the resource and just let me know the process of considering that. Why would the town have to abandon their portion? I guess it's not clear to me why the town have to abandon it. Well, if we build a road on the high ground next door and shape it so that water's going to flow off the road that it should, it's going to go up even the town right away. Okay. And continue to bring town, that's the lowest point is the road itself. All the water runs down road as opposed to leaving the surface of the road. And going into the ditch, the road is the ditch next door, so it's a concave. There are no standards for you to build an end of the road here, because they wouldn't be in a right of way or anything. So they can build a road with a helmet on it. Do I need something for you to survey to weigh this out? Would I need something? Do I have something? Or do I need all the votes? Yeah, I don't know if I can vote because I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm just thinking to have a year, I'm going to have to show people what we're doing. Yeah, yeah. I don't know the whole process, but I think it's not an original request. I think it's going to be a process that should go through. Yeah, because the other alternative is to get a permit to work in the right of way. So that's another thing I'm going to be referring to. Right. It just would be quite a process to create ditches on that road now. But you can build it up, I suppose, if that's on the curve or something. Right. So far, I like your idea better. Is that? So far, I like your idea better. You know, I guess really, I think really we have a site where you can look at what you're saying. Yeah, that's what you understand and what's going on here. And maybe the first thing is a public meeting out there and that way. Much like Dan, something like we did this summer just to have a really nice season. Yeah. Yeah. I'm very close to be sure that the landowner there is an adversely affected by throwing out the road and then losing. No, it's the same piece of landowner. Yeah, Carl's landowner. Perfect. We all hear a piece of landowner. So possibly before our meeting, you know, we could meet up there half an hour early and have a site meeting and there's a point there. Check the time. And I think my main concern would be in terms of the new road that would have an effect on the class three portion. That's right. Right. Thanks so much for that conversation. Still here. So it sounds like we're going to turn around at the end, right? And then you take care of it. Yeah, that's right. You turn around at the top now. I just thought you historically turned around at the last house for a jail break and for death pavement. So we were backing along to this pavement and that was starting to crack and squish. So the last five or six years I've gone up another hundred yards, maybe to the top to the turnaround. And it's fine. Just, you know, the first couple of times out in mud season because there is really, there is no material on that section of road. So the conversation I had with Tim and the buff was that since I was using it anyways, I think it would be to build it up to somewhat so that it's at least can handle the town truck turning around there. Anyways, it was on there. You know, my work agenda anyways, it just hasn't been done yet. So probably three, four loads of gravel, I'll be a couple, bank around something to give it a base and then just a very thin top coat. And if it can handle the town truck, then it should handle the soft traffic to the truck loader. Thank you. So after you have a KSC petition, you're here and you have to see it. And then if you say, yes, you can do it, then you have that survey. Before the people show up and then based on the survey, you make the final decision. That's working. Yes. Okay, so, reports of communications. Martin, why don't we do that? So Tom, Tom spoke with you and Yes, correct. You told me, when I spoke numerous times, he's been dealing with both Harris came to the conclusion that we believed that the dodgers would do that, so I'm going to turn Tom's over to the other, $500 on the trade and on the truck. So that's what we would like to do is dodge. Okay. But that's what's 8A? Correct. And then what's the final price difference between that and the Ford? They were almost identical, as far as the cabin chassis. The Heritage Ford was going to give us $7,000 for a trade and in the same case, doing us $9,000. Okay, okay. So is there a purchase order running yet? Yes, it could be there. In the morning. Yeah, I would have brought one. Okay. So what is the final cost? 64, change, that's the complete truck. Yep, the Ford's article board, $7,000. 64 with a comment? Yeah, 64 and change. 64 and 5, 64 and 5, I don't know what to say. Is that the one that's in stock? That is the, I guess, that's the one that's in stock built. Directly, we basically have it. As soon as the Ford sign and check is cut, it will need to go to the airport for a few accessories. Back-up camera, accessories, basically, and the plow and sander will both be through the Urquoise and it will be, I'm assuming, out of stock, but I don't know about it for sure. Exactly. So is that a clue? That's probably not a clue to be 64 and 5. It is. Yeah, that's complete. It's completely compared to it. Yeah. So you're playing with families and the truck and then the plow and sander and everything, right? Truck, I think, run up and try to plan it, possibly for a few days, maybe, or something like that. We'll be able to find out. You want to mention the finance committee recommendations? Right, yeah. So the last financial review committee that we met last week and one of the things we were going to swipe over was the fact of using the capital reserve fund to pay for the truck and to pay it over a three-year period. And yeah, so that was that. The second thing that we talked about was in June 5th, I think, the CD materials. So we were bringing that back to the board to renew that with more of the savings fund. So I mean, I had a perhaps ration of the motion with you that and the other four-year fund committee. How much money would be left in the capital reserve? We have 110, I think, $100, $111,000. So you'd like a motion, there would be two motions, one to buy the truck and then not the financing or are we just thinking about the other one? Yeah, but actually, I think probably it would be a really good act. First of the truck, to buy the truck, then I would say, you know, we could accept the recommendation of the financial review committee to do the sales funds available. That would be the second one. Yeah, okay. And then you would take it back. Right, yes, number three. Okay, so I'd like to make a motion to go ahead and proceed with the purchase of the 2018 Dodge from St. John's Ferry to Dodge for the removal of the prices right there. Do I need to put the price in there? I'll put the exact number in it when I 64. 64. Well, when I write it, I'll put the exact number in there. For under $65,000, I had a price to be turned, the exact price could be written right back. I'll second that. Any more discussion on that? Well, if I were to say aye, aye. Okay. And I'd like to make a motion that we financed the truck through the capital savings reserve to be paid back over a period of three years. Through the recommendation. And I'm thinking we should probably not use the word finance to truck that one. Yeah, pay for it. And over the next three years, we'll put in a budget one item to pay back the reserve. So you're going to pay for it all at once? Yeah. I'll take three years to pay it back. Okay. You want to read back my motion? So you may be a motion to pay for the truck out of the savings reserve fund. Capital reserve fund. Capital reserve fund to be paid back over three years as a line item in the budget. Yeah. As a line item. As recommended by the audience review. I'll second that. Any more discussion on that? Well, if I was to say aye. Aye. Okay. Sure. Right as well. Okay. I think I'll make that motion. Except the recommendation of the finance review committee to renew the CD that's currently with north of the savings grant for another nine months. At a rate, we believe the rate was two and a quarter. At least it was two months ago. Cheryl, that's pretty good. I'll second that. Any more discussion on that? A rate of at least. In case it's gone up. At a rate of, well, at... Just another nine months. Yeah, I would second that. Yeah. Any more discussion? In favor of that, say aye. Aye. Good. Okay. That was that email I sent regarding Brown to the world. Right. A very gentleman that's... Jason Mumbaro has a moving date. He has since got back to me after email and now I'm sitting in contact with the cabin company instead of the date. His tent had been moved to August 1st. I will speak to him. I said that was a fairly tight front line. So I can give this a few more months. Sure. So I just... I do believe they'll have to be some work done to that road. So he knows he's doing all the work? Correct. He's not inspecting the family. Nothing. I was looking for recommendations. Yes. Contracted through the cabin company. But I mean, he's going to work in the right way. Correct. So he's good, yes. Yes, so he's going to need to get a road work permit and probably cut a few trees, I guess, and to get the 14 foot minimum. Maybe not. It's pretty tight up to there. We're just going off the memory to do that. There was some discussion. I talked with Cheryl probably a year or better going. Whether that was actually one road right away or two road right away. So something that we really wanted to do the research on before the work was done. My general thought was that all of the road work were at least... That was my general thinking. But there's some other information out there or something we should probably learn from that. So whereabouts up there is that? He's at the end. He's at the year, what they call it, the year which is up past the age of the league. Oh, up there is both of them. Yeah, the league, so yes. Because we're all the way up there. Is that going to be a permanent residence? I don't know. Because we know we need to go through the... I assume so for the... I assume so. I didn't have that conversation with him. He didn't realize that it was a lot too discerning. So I think... He's going to apply for the road permit. But he should be reminded that he needs... Oh, he needs to be a permanent resident. Yeah, he needs to have a permit. He's going to apply for a road permit for a permanent resident. That's how it reads. That he definitely doesn't have one yet. Because there hasn't that many in the year. I think that's where it only reads. I have no idea about that. Yeah, I do. Because of the maintenance of the wintertime. Right. Emergency access. It's a good way to be an issue. Right. All right, so his provisions... Right, down the road there are term charges as well. The fire truck driver on both sides. He can't get here, so the town has to do some work. They can turn around and say, oh, for your permit, you were followed with it to keep it so. Yeah, that's right. I think I'm just going to go about that. To get a fire vehicle up there in the wintertime is going to take a lot of work. As long as you're here, can I ask a couple of quick road questions? Yeah. What's going on? As you head towards the bottom of the more common road, there's that big thing. Now, what's going on there? Is that the place splitting? Yes, the place. Wood somewhat. Is there anything that could be done to make that less likely to happen? Only basically a road rebuild. Those are going to happen. That spot is notorious. We're going to have that whole thing basically to be done up. We could try putting some pipe into the ground, but it's almost entirely like I've created it today. It's still going to be very soft, and we're just trying to get around everywhere now. The other question is also when we were down the common road, the culverts that have dropped, they're going to try to get the culverts that have dropped. Yeah. What's up with those? They tend to heave. They will rise and fall across. Sometimes you'll get some water that may have got behind the culvert. Instead of going in the culvert, you're going to bring it beside the culvert. So it stays, holds its form until the frost goes, and then it thaws in next to the culvert. So with those, we're basically going to check those and make sure the water's making it into them. The other part happens if you backfill with very nice material. If you put a new culvert backfill with all gravel, it makes perfect sense. Unfortunately, you have all gravel in a two foot spot and you have a negative soil inside of that. It reacts differently to the frost. So the negative soil will heave more up to a foot more, and you'll have a huge dip on that because the culvert will actually stay in the gravel drain better. So it doesn't react to the frost. So what is the right thing to do with it? We need to backfill with a mixture of material, not just gravel. Do we have to take it away? Correct, yes. Either make a bigger opening backfill with the virgin material material that we've taken out as much as possible. We did get a grant for a culvert. Is that something you hope to do this year? Yes. Are you going to do it yourself? No, that's definitely a British company. Is that the mountain roadway? No. There's some scammering happening on the bottom. It's been there since I read a little bit of undermining happening on the bottom. So it's a bright and more serious company that chooses to deal on the bridge. Did we fix some scour on that bridge? Or am I thinking of a different bridge? Did we have a scour or something before? I think it has been done once, maybe almost probably 10-15 years ago quite a while ago. It looks like it's been passed. But it's it really probably is undersized. I've seen it actually not take water twice once in Irene and it took it but it funds that side of the road, the inland side of the road and it goes down into the ditch so it doesn't really cause any issues but it's definitely undersized. Is that enough to get a grant or do we do it? Oh yeah, I think so. But we're $50,000 so just just our shares. We're just having to do what we transcribe in the middle. We get inspections of all the structures and this is a representation of the trans basically in non-reliance at the moment because of how the floor is structured. So you'll put out some sort of an hierarchy? Yeah, I'll have to find work with, maybe you can help me with that, Ray. Just to find the right wording and stuff to go into that to get that. Through the inspection I guess the wording is there but your brand, who would be the right contractor to send that out to? Do boys do anything like that? We have in the past that it all depends on your timing. Can you lump that with the other culverts? As far as the cost of it is concerned. You're a kid. Just to have one contractor come in. Oh, yeah. This is a box culvert. Yeah, and culverts that we do in the fight for work we typically install ourselves. So are you asking if we could lump them into doing work on other ones? So it may Yeah, right now the brand that we applied for is strictly for this one box structure. So exactly right now all the rest are at least satisfactory. Yeah, the brand was only granted because we trained so they had to do it. So if they didn't have to do any other ones, you can't put it together with another one. But this brand. This one. No, this is my nail mark. Price is on stone. All right, thank you. Okay, thank you, Martin. I think so. Windows been open yet? Probably not. I'll be back here. Yeah, I've opened this one before. So I'm at it. And it sounds like they're totally all for it. So whatever that means to you guys. Yeah. Should we have that conversation? Yeah, we talked about that. And that I mean I'm all for them upgrading it if they think it needs to and that was kind of like he didn't know for sure. I mean he's been out there before. I mean Martin, he knows more probably than Stefan, but I feel like they play right now, for instance. Like I'm driving cars in and out of my barn for story purposes. And just a car will cut a little bit of a rut. So if it was this time of year, yes, you'd probably have to put something out. Maybe six inches of brush or some DC grout, whatever. What do you think it's about? It's about 75 feet. Yeah. I mean it'd probably be a couple, two, maybe three loads. I don't know. Four loads. Yeah. No. And that's up to you guys. Then I'm, like I said, I'm fine with that if it needs to be upgraded. It's not a problem. And we talked about the the potential of putting one of those hydrogen tin, or he said that it's not entirely necessary. Like, you can do that, or as long as you can get the truck close enough you can just throw a section or two in. Yeah. And it's really, I mean if they felt a hydrogen was necessary I'm fine with that, but if you ask me, I just assume not to put a hydrogen up there. And especially if it's only going to be used maybe once a year at that. Right. Okay. I'm not sure how the procedure is exactly. Well, I think we could probably give initial approval subject to what the GRB has to say. Okay. And with the expectation that the whole board function will rectify that to me. So I just want Dan to be able to move forward. And what changes are we waving the the square footage feed or the waving to see where the primitive feed that was called so we're waving the primitive feed. That's what I would like to be able to do if that makes sense. I feel it. That's fair. I think it's over there. Yeah. So I can put that in front of the motion. I guess that the motion that we grant the approval to waving the pond permit structure permit structure feed and subject to final approval of the board at next meeting and the decision of the GRB. Just for the further discussion our intention is to keep the GRB of 275. Unless you want to wait that time. They have to take care of it. Like the paintings. And you have to pay for the engineer to certify that he has to do the work. That's the next step. Yeah. So the motion could also include the understanding that we'll pay for the GRB feed and all other necessary costs. But we're not sticking to the cost of upgrading the work. No. No, that's true. I think that's yeah. As long as we don't say anything about the road I think it's good. Good. All in favor say, aye. All right. Very good. Sweet, my house won't run. There you go. While you were talking about the GRB so I did minutes for the GRB and I was doing them hourly. So he I'm on his list of emails saying hey, we may have a GRB meeting coming up. So he may be asking if it's okay. I don't know if he needs your permission for me to do that. If John can make that decision I have no idea. I know before he talked to Tom but I don't know if he needs the GRB to have a pay someone two minutes. I don't think so. I didn't think so either. I just wanted to check. Okay, so it's now 706 and it's I will call the public hearing for the adoption of the interim bylaw as subdivision regulations to order. I thought that Karen Orrner somebody who's going to be here but I guess not. And so Carl you want me to go? Sure thing. Okay, so the morning for this meeting refers to 24 of the SAA section 4415 interim bylaws. So I looked up the interim bylaw statute and I read it and the interesting part of it was I'll just read a couple of lines here. Okay, these interim bylaws shall be adopted, reenacted, extended or amended by the legislative body of the municipality after public hearing upon public notice as an emergency measure. So it sounds like interim bylaws are supposed to be enacted as an emergency measure rather than to cover up for perhaps an administrative clerical error which resulted in the vote not happening on town meeting date. I went back and researched the whole subdivision subject in relation to the planning commission they started working on it in 2016 worked on it in 2017 2018 and finally in 2019 got to the point where it was ready for a vote that did not happen on town meeting date for whatever reason. Then it was requested that these bylaws be enacted by interim bylaws. But the way I read the bylaw statute it seems to suggest that you enact interim bylaws because there's an emergency that needs to be addressed. My point there being that in 2016 there were seven subdivision applications in 2017 there were three and 2018 there were three. So we're getting either progressively less or the same number of subdivisions every year it would not seem to constitute an emergency at this point to have interim bylaws put in place. I would further suggest that we just table the idea until next year and vote on it like we were supposed to on town meeting date. That's kind of just of my opinion and I'm not sure do you have a quorum anyway tonight? Can we even vote on anything tonight? What was the state that BSA again was the next number? 4415 interim bylaws and 4444 public hearings. Do you notice that chapter contains a definition of emergency in the chapter? But it specifically says has an emergency measure. So I'm not sure that we have an emergency that needs to be addressed by subdivision laws at this time since it's been a four-year process that was supposed to be voted on. And if you read this year's town report the Planning Commission's section states that we spent a good deal of time reviewing the rules that arise subdivision regulations to the more town zoning bylaw. Both the Planning Commission and the Select Board held hearings on the draft regulations and you will find a question on the town meeting ballot asking if the town will adopt them. And then if you look for the mooring for the ballot item number 13 says, show the rules of the town more town vote to adopt revisions to the more town zoning regulations as presented to the Select Board by the Planning Commission. So we have a lot of laws on the new regulations going to be lost. So I guess I object to the substance of the zoning bylaws. I object to the execution of the vote and I object to using interim bylaws as a way to fork the vote that should have happened on town meeting. Thank you very much. So before that where it says emergency it says the legislative body may adopt interim bylaws regulating land developments in all or part of the municipality in order to protect the public health, safety and general welfare and provide for orderly physical and economical growth. So I would say if they feel one of those needs to happen that deems an emergency. So those are your comments. Thank you. The same one. The one he read is right after that. I got it. You mentioned that you object to the contents of the revised final response. I had the mistaken impression that after all the revisions you were okay with. But it's far better than the 17 pages of the original list. But there's still some shells and there's many needed requirements in there such as landscaping requirements and so we shall develop appropriate landscaping relative to the every project. What authority decides what is appropriate landscaping? Is that you have to produce a professional plan from a landscape architect to say this is appropriate landscaping? I've had someone prepare one of those reports. It's not a cheap endeavor to produce a landscaping plan. That's one specific one I can think of. I'm sure there's others if you'd like to other examples. I remember you were going to keep things in addition to your relations. It's not the best thing in the world. But how do you remember if you've heard of those in the early 70's? I'm sure you've mentioned that. Yes. There were many more shells in previous traditions that did get removed thankfully. You're saying it's hanging as far as I'm concerned. And then I guess my other comment would be given the meeting either people don't know or they don't care but maybe they should. It might be better off if people know now before they have to go to the zoning minister area to find out there's things they may not think are in there. That just will cause people to complain after the fact rather than before. Is there any general election that you have heard this year? Yes, yes. I'll put you on the list. Put yourself on the list. Put yourself on the list. So the next election is kind of meeting. So as far as letting people know, when you guys know it's on front porch form, it's in the paper, it's on our website, it's hung up. And no one is ever giving the attention? No. So it's definitely advertised that these hearings happen. It's been a while. Pretty much all of it exists. You're right. Do you know why the changes you recommended didn't make it through the planning commission submitted version? And once they were told about something five times, usually they would change right in? Yeah. It's weird that it was. It's not a phase in zoning but it's hard. That's how it started. The landscaping part is a little more specific than what you said. It gives what you should do and where it's so there's the landscaping part and it quotes where the standards should be found. So what I understand is what is triggering according to who? Well, it has to be found by the one agency without the resources. So it does say where those are the standards. So what is triggering the emergency situation I believe is the land the large tracks that are for down mountain roads. I think that's towards why I understand there was some concern that somebody was trying those and started making development which would have to go through active 50 anyways. How do you feel about accepting this stuff and then working on mending things that are too specific or insufficiently specific? I don't feel comfortable with that. I just see how badly we can do it and we can't get it done that way we'll just put it in the back door. That's the fact that should have been voted on on the town meeting date. It was not and now all of a sudden we need it regardless. I don't understand the rush to put it in now as an interim zoning. There is no emergency to subdivisions the number of subdivisions that's going down or flatlining let's say so it's not like we're overwhelmed with subdivisions. I can't say there's any public safety issue that I can see with a couple subdivisions happening in town. I think we need more subdivisions in town. We need to spread the tax burden around. I'm kind of wondering why all those houses of gallerators have not increased the grand list in a way that reduced everybody's tax everybody else's taxes. There's probably 20 new homes over there in the last three years and yet I don't think we've seen a drop in our taxes related to that. Put the grand list right then shouldn't the tax burden be spread further to further people just reducing the taxes? That would be how I would think it would work. There should be more people paying into the pot right? I think it's because Pirates has gone faster than our grand list. That's why the tax rate goes up. It's not just the town list. I understand that there's a question about that. What we don't have to adopt this tonight. That over here I gave to the doctor next week if you want. Also, I thought there was a bike over here. I don't know what to say about that. It's so acic. Why is that? It's so acic. Do you have fixes to problems? There's a process to do a regular work. One person, one boat reference. I think it's a big enough issue that we need to slip over here. I remember the planning commission were here and I might get the story. They saw this as more reformality because you already agreed to put it on the ballot. If you already said yes to them. There is a difference between opening up to a vote and deciding on it. Can we get a legal opinion on the way to see meaning in that? Like from a lawyer? What laws? Or has he already I know I know I know I know I don't I don't know but I mean you know how thorough Cheryl was and so I imagine all that was discussed. Katrina pulled up a line which it sounded open enough that you could do with this question. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I mean that's pretty typical. You want on the next agenda? Yes please. With the zoning administrator here and anybody else? Yeah I would like I would like the zoning administrator here. Well you'll be your horse. I mean once again I will point out the landscape and everything that Carl has done on his job and I mean if everybody followed the way you did there wouldn't be any issues. I mean Carl's done everything right but it's not you it's somebody who doesn't do anything. I don't want to pay for somebody else's sin. Okay so thank you for your time. Thank you. Well Katie's leaving. No good news anyway. Gosh that was a lot of news. Ok Darryl. Alright, thanks Darryl. Speaking of important things for the board, I thought some pretty important stuff was done at the last meeting that I really wish I was here for. Okay. I didn't see the emergency pushing those things. I would have prepared to do that. Well sorry. You didn't know that you weren't coming. I didn't even know what you had to do. Thank you. So let's take a look to continue with the board's communication. The only one I have here discussed regarding Brownsville Road. So Ray do you have anything? Did you discuss the personnel? Okay. I think it's time I don't want to mediate. The exact word is it's number three, the personnel or whatever. For reason number three. Alright, so I'll second that. It should be pretty quick. Okay. All in favor say aye. Aye.