 Um, I'm not crazy about the process, but I've gotten so used to it that, like, I'm not a baby about it anymore. Are we live? I think this should be live. Oh, hello, everybody. Hello. Internet. Zoey, uh, Zoey confirmed we are live. Hey, Zoey. Hey, everybody. Oh, you can hear us. Happy Monday, yes. Visionaries, visionaries, visionaries. Thanks, Raymond. Visionaries or visionaries? They're both good. They're both really good. Take your pick. Do you want to be a visionary? I'm kind of like a visionary because, like, visionaries are all over the place. But how many visionaries do you know? That's true. Yeah, people claim, they claim, I am a visionary. Oh, you are? Yeah. Since when? Well, I think it's cool if, you know, when someone refers to someone else as a visionary, it's like that's a compliment. Call yourself a visionary. You better be a good one. You better have a chapter. What's your resume? What awards? It's like saying that you're a, you know, influencer and a thinker. You're a bio. I'm handsome and pretty, like, oh, you are. Okay. Who says, well, yeah. I mean, I don't know. It's like, live your truth. Live your truth. But I used to, many moons ago, I used to have a boyfriend who called himself a thinker in a bio. And I was like, you need to change that because it implies that other people aren't thinking and that's weird. You know, like, it's like, I do, I'm a thinker. Oh, really? What are the rest of us doing? We're just blank. If you're thinking, you're blank. I don't look to just bio lately. Probably doesn't. That's my bio. I should, but I'm blank. And if you've looked at any of the cognitive theory lately, we don't have free choice anyway. So the thoughts we have are just chemical reactions. Oh, they're not ours. Yeah. They're just there. It's just the continuation of the science experiment that is the universe. Not necessarily fate, but it's just not ours to begin with. It doesn't belong to us. That's rude. That's rude. That hurts my tired brain. Yes. I feel like I'm making my own choices with my words right now. I could say something, but I won't. So I'm saying something else. Right? And Amos, you're like, no, that's predetermined or it just doesn't belong to me. Even though I'm choosing to say it. Every, well. Man, this is a brain exercise for my day. If you look into free will, every thought you have is just a chemical reaction from previous interactions in the universe. So it's all just continual chemical reaction in your brain. But as a baby, when you don't have previous interactions, isn't it your choice? No, because the chemicals have had previous interactions in the womb. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah. The carbon you're alive in your brain has been around since the, you know, for 12 billion years. You're not the first person to occupy that carbon. I know it's, it's way more, it's way deeper than I could ever consider. A word with Tom Merritt has a thing called free will. It's like one of the first episodes. It'll blow your mind. We're Dami and chat mentioning my dislike of someone calling themselves a thinker says, don't say you're a father and a husband for the same reason. Now I think that one's a little different because you could be a man. Or person and not a father or a husband. So it's like, it gives some context into, you know, who you are. Is he saying that? But I get it. It's a little like, like, okay. That's not like super hard to do. It's like, I'm a good father and a great husband. Like, who might have said that? Yeah. But just simply stating what you in fact are is an issue. I mean, I could say in my bio daughter, which I think implies that like, it's important to, you know, that I have my mother kind of thing. I don't know. I mean, I do, but I wouldn't add daughter to my bio. I don't know. I guess I don't think it's that weird. No. No, you just added in the, um, the grave, right? Most people do that in the, or I've seen in the. I'm like, in the grave. Right. Well, you know what I mean? Like, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Friend and. Life. Daughter. Right. I was many things. Four inch letters etched in granite. Daughter. So. Wow. This is Monday. Everybody's too. You find it weird. Oh, I do. Yeah. I just, I guess I feel like it's just a family thing. You just do to identify. It's not that I would do it. Yeah. Yeah. It's sort of like honoring everyone who loved the person who is. Has passed. Yeah. I also, I also really intend on my, my corporal being, being, uh, uh, interred into, uh, uh, ash and spread on the ocean. So. I think, I think grave yards and the internment of bodies into the soil and the big casket and everything else. I think that's weird, but that's me. My dad was buried. Um, he lives in a very nice cemetery. Um, there's a bench, you know, it's not near me in LA, but it's near where my mom lives. And so, you know, I don't find it like weird or unpleasant to go, but you know, I didn't enjoy the funeral. Uh, you know, not a fun event, but, um, yeah, not to get too weird, but my, when my dad bought his plot of land, my mom has one, you know, next to him. So she's actually, her name is already on the grade. It's already on there. Yeah. It just doesn't. Leave it blank. Of death. Yeah. It has her date of birth and then like a hyphen and then, you know, they're going to fill in the rest of it later, which is like, that can be a little jarring, you know, I've had people be like, isn't that like really freak you out? And I'm like, well, not really. They're just planners, but they didn't get me one. Where am I supposed to go? You know, I guess it was assumed I would just, you know, I have my own family. Yeah. Well, got news for you parents. I usually see it blank, you know, like they're waiting and it's just like a, you know, blank this long. And then I think that's what my dad's is blank. And it's yeah. Anyway. Yeah. I mean, you know, got to do what you got to do. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Oh, wow. What a topic this morning afternoon for us. For some people. Oh, I gotta have some more coffee. Everybody. This is yeah. But anyway, back to death. Yeah. I have like a grim revert outfit for Halloween. I should pull it out. Actually, I don't know. Did we get rid of it? Maybe we did. We in the audience just assumed that Tom has everything in a bag of holding in his office. Everything? Oh, you mean like things that we have? No. Yeah. Cause he can just pull stuff out out of nowhere and just like, here's the program from 1984's rendition of whatever, whatever in my 11th grade class. Which is funny too, because often it's not even Tom that's like setting up the conversation. Someone on GDI will like mention something obscure and Tom will be like, it's in my bookcase. We're like, how many things do we have back there? It kind of looks like. Yeah. It's pretty packed back there. Once in a while, I'll have to go and dig in a drawer. I'll open the little cabinet off to the side and have to pull something out of there. And it's like, ooh, it's level two. Yeah. I can't see what's in front of him, but there's stuff. Yeah. There's a whole closet. There's more bookcases. The whole room is filled. It's just filled. Yeah. Yeah. But I always wonder. I think we've got an afternoon of filled of. Oh, so many. So many news. So many news. Wait till you hear it. Can you all tell we're a little like, I don't know. Like punchy, I guess. I feel a little punchy. I don't know. I just, I had a midday slump. I'm fine. I'm here, but I feel like slightly crazy. I don't know. Let me ask the chat room real quick if they can reset showbot for me so I can have an accurate account for later. Oh, I found one more story. Sarah, I don't know. Let me see. I'm just paying this to you. You tell me if you. If you feel like commenting on it. Are you doing private chat and stream yard or discord? Discord. There's my little discord. Thank you. You know, kind of helpful. Kind of helpful. What happened? I didn't do it. Oh, you didn't do anything. Is this old? Is this way old? Have you already read this? I mean, it's from last week. Oh, okay. Okay. I didn't catch it last week. We had a lot. Every time this is this article on Mac stories was written by John Voorhees. And I always read it as Jason Voorhees. Like, I know I've seen his byline before. And even if your name was Jason Voorhees, like, I mean, okay. I mean, maybe your parents like the name Jason. And you know, your surname is Voorhees, but I just did. Did you grow up in Crystal Lake Lake? I don't know. Yeah, like, so this is what you moonlight doing, huh? Apple news. Yeah. Because you're kind of a jerk the rest of the time. Oh, yeah. I kind of don't want to be near you, dude. Or we can save it for something else later. But all right. It was news since the last time we did the show. So I think it's fair game in that sense. Then let's, let me add it to like the top or after topic two. Let's see. Let's see. I mean, you could do it in topic three. Yeah. It's not quite a wish list, but okay. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. We're fluid. Actually, we could. Yeah, we could wish for more like green like recycle anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm ready when you are with the count in. Okay. I am too. Let me just make sure I've got all my tabs in the right places. And I don't. I like things just so. Okay. Let's do it. In three, two. Hey, everybody. Welcome to Apple vision show episode 11. How y'all doing out there? I'm Sarah Lane. And I'm Eileen Rivera. One and one. Here we go. We're in the teens. The teens for our. Oh, I was like one and one makes two of us. I didn't know what you meant. Yeah. Episode 11. You know, Eileen, some people out there who have, haven't totally tuned me out because I'm kind of weird about stuff. I'm really into palindromes. So episode 11 is technically our first. It is our first, isn't it? Yeah. And, uh, yeah. I mean, I think, you know, once we graduate to 21, we can finally have our drinks, right? Like. I think so. Or do we play the European card? We can have, have a Bev of our choice. In fact, we're both drinking caffeine today. We're trying to stay up. Unfortunately, this is not spiked. Although I could use that later. I gotta say in our pre-show month, it is feeling like a Monday. It's Monday. And I don't know what, if you believe in, um, some of the Celest, the celestial stuff, like Mercury and retrograde, because I've talked about this at nauseam with my coworkers and blah, blah, blah in the past. I really feel it. I really feel like it's happening right now. Like things don't work a hundred percent. Things are kind of broken here and there. And then I just kind of feel like, I feel pressure a little bit. Like there's like, don't, don't, or don't feel pressure. Don't push things. So I'm just kind of trying to like sit back till this whole frigging thing is over, which is supposedly in a week. Oh, Mercury is in retrograde right now. Is that what's happening? Yeah. See, I don't follow that stuff. Um, and I also, if I'm being honest, I also feel like that becomes a great excuse for somebody being a real jerk. You know? Oh, it was a full moon. You know? Oh, sure. Yeah. You could definitely use that if you wanted to. You know, Mercury's in retrograde. I'm a Libra. I mean, I can only be a Libra, right? It's like, what are you talking about? Um, yeah, let's, but, but anyway, I think there's probably some truth to that. But I think sometimes people go overboard and so I find it a little eye-rolly. But if you're out there being like, no, astrology is really cool, then, then all power to you. I don't want to believe it. I just sense things happening during, and sometimes I look at it. I don't even know that it's happening. Then I'm like, why is it so hard lately? And then I look at it, I'm like, oh, well, forget about it. I'm just not even, well, I'll sign the contract in a couple of weeks when this whole thing's gone apparently. Yeah. I mean, I will say before, uh, you know, we don't have to get all into zodiac, uh, signs, but I will say that the general, um, uh, the, the, the bio of a Libra, the attributes of a Libra, because I'm October, um, are, you know, a lot of them, I'm like, yeah, that is like me, but I don't feel like a, like daily horoscope is something that I have to take too seriously. And I also don't like it when people go like, oh, you're a Libra. Cool. I get along with Libras. I'm like, that should not be like my identifying trait. It should be like me. Well, if we're really going to get technical, there's also your son's, uh, you know, your moon sign or whatever. They're like, that creates the you because of the time that you were born, which is significant to only you. So just because you're a Libra doesn't mean that that is your only, like this is the window of who Sarah is because there's so many other parts to you, which is, you know, and there's like nature versus nurture, but all, which all plays into this. It's like, you know, you can, you can be a very different person than you were 10 years ago for all sorts of reasons. Oh, 100%. Yeah. So some of it on purpose, some of it out of your control. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. But hey, uh, you do you internet. You do you. Well, here on Apple vision show, sometimes I lean and I go down little rabbit holes, little tangents. Uh, so this is, uh, definitely one of those days where both before we started recording, we both talked about how, you know, it feels like a case of the Mondays a little bit today. A couple of hours ago, I had that post lunch, like, oh man, like, do I have time for a nap, which I generally don't like doing because then I just have to wake up all over again and I'm groggy and you know, naps are fine sometimes, but really like in the middle of a work day for me. Yeah. Yeah. I had to go outside. I stood outside in the sun and just stood because I was like, I need, I need the vitamin D and I just need to be outside because you know, I mostly sit in my office, you know, I mostly sit in the house and so I kind of felt myself like I need to wake up. So just I see the sun is bright and for those who live in California, we've had rain in the last couple of days. It's been kind of gloomy and yucky. And so I'm like, oh my gosh, thank God for the sun. Let me just stand there. Even though, you know, it's not like super hot or anything like that. But I felt like that helped me. I even considered, you know, throwing my laptop out there and like maybe trying to do this whole thing outside. But no, I knew that that would be a bad idea. I was like, I wonder if I did this outside, but it was too windy. I mean, you could give it a try. Yeah. If the conditions were right and we did a little test run, I say vitamin D it up. I don't know that I would be able to, well, I mean I could, I could be outside at some point. The problem with my apartment, which I love in basically every respect is I don't have outdoor space. We have like a nice landscaped front yard, but it's like, you don't, there's not really room to like put chairs out there because it's like all these like plants. They look pretty, but you just sort of look at it. You're not really standing, you know, you're not going to stand on the plants. And then the backyard is a driveway. So it's like, you're like, you know, you kind of, it's useful, but you don't want to hang out there, you know, for very long. And you don't have one of those apartments with like a rooftop or something where you could, you know, hang out there. Well, what's funny is my, my neighbor, my apartment building, see tangent again, my apartment building is four units and one of my neighbors is, he's very into like growing tomato plants and, you know, chili peppers. He seems to have a real green thumb. So he's in the back all the time and he can't, he has a ladder that sometimes he uses to get on the top of our garage, which is just one story. The building, I'm in his two stories, but like, like for my bedroom, I look onto the top of the garage behind us. Kind of hard to explain, but that is just flat and he's got plants up there and he goes up there and waters the plants. And I'm like, well, I don't know how you'd get like a lawn chair up the ladder, but if you did, that would be kind of fun. Like a little urban oasis. Yeah. Take your drinks out there, especially on like a nice sunset day or whatever. Yeah. Something like that. I don't know. I mean, it's not convenient. Yeah. It's not like you can just like really have proper stairs to just walk up and be like, great, I'm out here. You know, but, um, yeah, anyway, one day, maybe I'll do this outside. Maybe you and I are getting to the Apple news kind of slowly today because we've got news, you know, Apple is always in the news, but it does feel like, um, sort of, sort of a, I don't know, a light period because we had Apple announcements, a new MacBook Airs in March. Yep. Yeah. Not a big event, just, you know, an announcement. There was an event, but, you know, it was small. A big event that was live streamed or anything like that. Um, and we've got still rumored, but, uh, we expect iPad announcements early May, first week of May, May 6th, I think is the date that people have been given. We've got WWDC, which is for sure happening in June, which is not a surprise. I mean, Apple announces that ahead of time, you know, developer conference wants to make sure developers have time to, uh, get ready and get excited. Then we've got, you know, iPhone event, uh, which would be iPhone 16s, new iOS, which I assume we're probably not going to hear about in any capacity until WWDC, but that's, you know, that'll be fun. Yeah. And then a variety of other rumors happening later in the year, you know, Apple Watch event possibly or certainly new Next-Gen Apple Watches. I'm interested in that, even though my Apple Watch is fine. I don't need a new one, but, you know, I'm just so into my Apple Watch that I'm like, you know, tell me how it's better, you know, kind of like an iPhone. Exactly. And, uh, yeah. So anything striking you're fancy the most? I mean, I'm already hearing, as I was, you know, sifting through news, you know, it feels so light. People are already like, we just got the M3s and people are jumped to M4s already, M4 news. I'm like, oh, okay. Then maybe those of us with a one, maybe then that would be the time. And that, you know, they're, you know, the prospects are like at the end of the year. So it's like, huh, maybe that's when I do the upgrade. I was looking at all of the, you know, again, some room, some rumors, or at least, you know, from very reliable sources, like Mark German over at Bloomberg, for example, Min-Chi Kuo, but, uh, I was like, all right, so, you know, looking at all this stuff, let's just say what, uh, is expected to be announced, you know, and available soon after it happens. Like, what do I want? Well, I have an iPhone 15. So, okay. I'm really, I'm off the train of getting a new iPhone every year. I used to. It was often just bought through where I worked. So I probably wouldn't have done it if, you know, I was paying out of pocket, but there was a time that I did that. I got new iPhones as gifts too. Very nice gift a few times from others. So I was able to, you know, be like, ooh, I have the fancy new iPhone. But yeah, I, I don't think I need anything. In fact, I think the last time I was super excited about, well, actually, the last time I was annoyed, uh, with this kind of stuff, you know, going back to your point of like, you know, we're just talking about M3s, now it's M4. I had a Mac mini that I bought in 2019, and it was like right before the Mac mini M1, um, uh, was announced. Well, not right before, but like, you know, with, well, maybe, maybe it was a little bit more than six months, but it was like, you know, I could have waited. I could have waited, but I didn't know, and I needed it at the time. So, you know, but people will, especially because they're like, Sarah, you're an Apple person. Should I get, you know, this or that? Like what, should I wait? And I'm like, do you need something now? I mean, if you really believe the next thing is worth waiting for and you can, you can hold on, hold on. But if you need something now, get something now. All these products are good. You know, as you were talking, I was just thinking, have we reached the point with technology that we have gotten to speeds and tools, we have enough where how much do we need, what is the thing that's going to take people to upgrade? Like is it going to be that much more reliable and efficient? Probably not. Like it's going to, to me, it's going to take several more generations before, you know, than it used to. Like before I'd be like, oh, we're all just like excited for just the extra bumps, you know, because it's even faster. Well, we were starting from zero, right? And I think faster and faster. Now it's like, how much more speed do I really, really need? Now there might be programs or whatever that are going to stop using, you know, whatever version from the past. And so you do need to upgrade and that's the program or software that you need. But I'm wondering if there's just a sense of, I don't want to say tech overload, overload, but like, we have enough of what's enough for us as a human society that we don't need to jump immediately. We could wait because to your point, yeah, you don't need to jump to the next, you know, iPhone 16, but maybe 17 if there's even a really huge appealing change, but what if there isn't? Then maybe you could wait because the battery life's are getting better, right? I mean, obviously if your battery life is going to get depleted, then like, yeah, you're great. But and so much of it is is, you know, in Apple's case, but obviously this applies to, you know, any ecosystem, particularly mobile ecosystems, it's the software, you know, iOS 18. I'm very interested in and I can run it. Yay. I don't get left out. I even had before I got the, I had the iPhone 13. I skipped the 14. I got the 13 a couple of years ago. But I mean, I had been rocking, I think a 10 before the 13 for years, like smashed up screen. I mean, it was falling apart and, you know, people like honestly, like my friends would be like, Sarah really? And I'm like, it works. I know it looks weird, but, you know, it's easy to pick out in a crowd. But I, I just kept like being like, well, I'll wait till the next iPhone and it kept turning into like where we're in July. So all I have to do is get to October, but then October will come around and I'm like, it's fine. It's fine. Yeah. You know, it also depends on, you know, how much are you worried about saving money? I'm always worried about that. So, yeah. Like, how much do you really need this action button? You know what I mean? Like, I feel like that's the latest. I'm like, I don't even use it. I forget that it's there. And then sometimes I think, well, maybe I should change what it actually does so that I will use it. I haven't. It's for a camera, but I don't even use it. I end up going to the app and doing the thing when I actually have the action button for the camera. I'm just not used to using it. But, um, and I'm, you know, I have this phone, you know, new from when it was launched, but, um, yeah. So those little increments are not to me enough for most people anymore. Like, we've gotten, I feel like we've just gotten to the point where all the new bells and whistles are not that crazy. They're not that, like, life-shattering that, wow, okay, this is going to help me pay for my groceries in a way that I've never been, no, I've got wallet, you've got wallet. It still works. It's the same one. You know, how much, you know, the cash registers have been, in fact, there's, you know, I finally feel like, oh, wow, my grocery store accepts wallet. Amazing. Sometimes I run into those stores that just haven't, you know, turned on that type of technology. So I don't know. Just got me thinking about, like, the upgrade cycles of things. And I think it's good for us to know to be able to report and try, you know, the new, like, hardware and new software. But for normal people out there for everybody else, it's, you know, lifestyle wise, because we do try to approach Apple news from a lifestyle slant here on Apple Vision show, because you know, you can, you can read news anywhere. In fact, there's some great news podcasts as well. There really are. But you might be a part of, right, Sarah? Yeah, indeed. But from a lifestyle perspective, I mean, I, my Mac mini is starting to feel a little sluggish, sluggish right now. I do some pretty intensive editing at times and that poor fan is just going and I'm like, oh, you poor little thing. I should I, you know, I could get, I could get a, are we up to M3 Mac minis yet? I think only M2. I can't remember right now. But I could I could vastly probably speed up my workflow. But also I'm not limping along that much yet. Yeah. And I do have an M1 MacBook Air that I love. I know that the the M3s are impressing everybody, but I'm still impressed by the M1. I love this thing. I do. My laptop is, my laptop is an M1 and I honestly don't know that I need to change it quite yet, you know, maybe like I said with the M4s, if they're that much more capable and I need to upgrade because software will work better with that, you know, machine, but, you know, otherwise I'm happy with my stuff, you know, like, yeah, I feel like we, if we, if we think of things in like a five year, like how different is you know, the, you know, the iPhone 15 from what we had five years ago, it's like, okay, remarkably different, you know, because iOS is different, camera got better, you know, we can, you know, add widgets to our home screen. I mean, you can say, oh yeah, look at how different these devices are, you know, or the sizes of the phone or the shape of the phone, you know, the design of the phone, but year to year again, it goes back to I really wouldn't, I mean, unless you just have money to burn and you just want the latest and the greatest, yeah, or for some reason, you know, it's your job and so you need to be able to compare and contrast, maybe you're a developer, you know, there are reasons that you have to do this, but I think, yeah, for the average person who is interested in Apple products or any products at all, it's like, do you need it right now? Right. Is there something you can't do right now that you need to do? And that's where it's like, yeah, get it then if you can. Exactly. But otherwise, you're never going to stop playing catch up ever. Exactly. And it just feels like, well, you know, I just got this phone a year ago and I have to change the case and I have to change the cables and like, that's just it's exhaustive. I've already forgotten what I was going to say. Oh, I know. You know, a couple weeks ago, we were talking about how supposedly earth-shattering iOS the next iOS will be 18 and, you know, perhaps if that is earth-shattering enough that you need to upgrade your phone to work with that could be a reason. So I'm still waiting for like, I honestly, do you think this is going to be earth? I still think about it. On a date, is this going to be so earth-shattering? I want to put a my own personal bet that it will be 50% of what I thought was earth-shattering and the other 50 is like, okay. I mean, the whole thing with iOS 18 is that Apple is clearly catching up in the AI race and so and Siri is, I don't know, I mean Siri works really well for like certain things but this could be the next generation of a true, you know, AI embedded into an OS and on device which would mean, you know, the processing happens on the device itself. So, and a lot of people are excited about that because there are issues with it coming from the cloud but yeah, I mean we I there's so much AI right now that I'm like, okay, I read the news I report on the news AI is not giving away, it's part of the news now and there's so many tools that I don't use you know, I'm not a student I'm not writing a resume I find that for everyday stuff that I do for work, it doesn't feel super necessary or helpful and maybe I'm just stuck in my ways but I am interested in how it would enhance the iOS experience because I'm sort of like, okay but like, you know, do I have it launch an app? I don't think I'm like thinking outside the box enough to know how crazy cool it might be. Yeah, but again, you may not, you know, the rush to upgrade the hardware is not necessarily needed to play with those new potential tools potentially. Yeah, unless you just have a device that can't be upgraded. Like the 11. Yeah. I want to know how many people in our audience have, like, what are you holding out for before upgrading? You know, like you said, Sarah, you're rocking an older phone for a long time. Like, what does it take for you to finally make that push? Like, is it your device just dies after three hours? Because that's where I'm at with the watch, right? Like, although it's doing actually pretty good, oh, I'm not wearing it right now. It's doing pretty good these days. So since I upgraded its own OS, so maybe that was the problem, I pretty much ignored my watch. That iPhone 10 that I had that was all cracked and falling apart, you know, you could like see like, part of like the processor in the back. I mean, it really was like, I was almost proud of it after a certain point because I'm just like, I mean it's psychotically bad looking. But it just keeps taking but I remember what happened because I was like, why did I finally spring for the 13? Because people you know, several years went by it was because I dropped it in the toilet and it was in my back pocket. I didn't drop it in the toilet on purpose, but you know jeans, you know, you can you can visualize this and because it was so ripped apart there was like water got into the point where it was just bricked like there was no like water and rice or you know, let it dry out for a while. It was like nah, it was it was done. And I actually was like, okay, the universe just needed to this is it a little nudge. Yeah, that's it needed to happen. Yeah, that's pretty extreme. You know, like you've waited till it basically didn't work. Zoe brings bacon says three years between Eiffel models. I think that's pretty good actually. And that's what I mean. I feel like the devices have gotten stronger over the years that the need to upgrade to keep up. And even for me, it was always battery life you know, back in the day is not is not there anymore like that that urgent need you know, and I also feel like we're all just we've been living with this technology for so long now. You know, the need to jump to the next biggest processor or whatever is reserved for real tech enthusiasts or I guess people have money like we talked about. So yeah, I mean battery life has I know it, you know, depreciates over time it just you know batteries are great when they're new but my battery life on my iPhone. I mean, I don't really think about charging it all that often. Obviously I do but it's like this is not something I'm thinking about throughout the day. It's like it's on a full charge. I also don't use my iPhone as much as some people do. It is not like my you're made of ice. When I'm home, I'm almost never using it. I'm on my laptop or I'm here at my work desk but my Apple Watch same thing, you know, we've talked about this before but I've got my little charger here when I wake up in the morning because I like to wear it at night so I don't charge it overnight. Wake up in the morning. I know I'm going to be sitting for a while so like there's no steps for it to miss and it charges within the hour and it's like, okay, if I forget to do that every day I run into trouble but that doesn't happen very often. It's like battery life is not a thing I'm chasing. Yeah much. It used to be for me. I used to get really frustrated and I would know it would be like after like the six first six months I would start to kind of feel this way back way back old iPhones I would start to feel like oh I have to charge it a little bit more often and then come in 10 months. It's like I can't wait for this upgrade. The announcement comes out thank God and then I'm like oh my gosh when can I order when can I order and then I get that phone and then it's replaced but I don't I never feel that anymore. It was a common thing at least in my mind that needed to be upgraded for not anymore. I mean everybody kids you're living the good life. You didn't have the iPhone 2007. I mean remember when you couldn't charge anything on a plane you know. Oh my gosh. Now sometimes it's still like but I don't really worry about the high also don't really fly very much anymore but I don't worry about that if you're in an airport they're outlets everywhere you know it used to be like you had to like sit on the floor and like you know like with like five people glaring at you because like they want to use it too it's like how long are you going to be there miss yeah depends on the airport of course but you know most of the more modern terminals they got you covered everybody's everybody's charging but but yeah it used to be just there was yes battery range anxiety across the board and I don't know maybe you know there's someone out there being like no I have horrible battery range anxiety I know and for that I am sorry yeah well there's also really cool like third party magnetic batteries now that I use this is for those of you looking at the video I'm holding up an anchor magnetic battery and I take this with me like if I know I'm going to be gone like pretty much all day just to you know extra juice yeah works you know yeah and I know somebody who loves theirs as well it's I don't have that you know what I am going to get though I'm going to get that we talked about this I think it was last week the the wireless carplay oh yeah adapter even though because my car you know it's carplay enabled but it has to be wired but which it does that doesn't bother me like there's a place in my center console where like it's nicely out of the way it's it's really no big deal but just knowing I could be wireless I'm like that would be kind of cool that would be you know set it down and less sort of cables in the middle of the car yeah all right so Eileen let's talk a little bit about depending on how this story was a big story as we're recording this on Monday depending on which news outlet you might have read it's either not that big a deal or a huge deal that after overtaking Samsung which had been I think in the top spot since like 2010 like a really long time for this is quarterly for global smartphones that are shipped Apple surpassed Samsung at the end of last quarter which ended December but at the end of this next quarter which just ended Samsung's back in the top spot now it's not really that weird because Samsung historically has been in the top spot but it was kind of a big deal when it was like all right Apple you know overall shipments it's in first so it's back in second but there's more to it I mean it's not just sort of like oh they're racing and you know there's always there's all these factors for why why did Apple ship fewer iPhones I mean I think a lot of it is the China economy slowing down which means companies like Huawei are enjoying that Xiaomi are enjoying a little bit more of the people wanting more future phones and not iPhones obviously Samsung is a a luxury brand of phone I would say and Samsung is just doing really well yeah this could probably just ping-pong back and forth at this point and you know what I always think about it is like there could be a potential for you know good innovation like there's a friendly I don't know maybe it's not friendly there's a competition here right for the having the top market and every time someone jockeys above and they're like okay well I got we got a we got a you know the other companies like well what are we going to do to get claim that top spot whether or not they really want to advertise that or not there's always you know people within a certain company that's number two that's like how are we going to get that number one you know and potentially that could be a new killer feature and hopefully that benefits the rest of us right that benefits the consumer and so that's what I'm hoping I'm like oh okay well you know it can't be number one forever so maybe a good run but we'll see we'll see you know we'll see how how this all kind of works out but it's kind of like alright that now I mean I don't I don't want to say this because people would be like what but like is Apple the underdog now you know what I mean like all of a sudden taking the number two see I mean they're both juggernauts but like yeah you know yeah there's a little bit of an underdog feel when you're number two like alright well I'm going to be number one how do we do that right right that's bit of a bit of a two-man race although obviously you know other companies can and will continue to to gain in market share I think I think what a lot of people who again follow this stuff closely I know this is you know it's sort of you know sorry financials and numbers it's very businessy but the overall market of smartphone shipments grew so shipments are on the rise so Apple falling you know leads people to be like oh you know that Chinese market is is they're really hurting you know as Apple not looking to other emerging emerging markets enough to be able to make some inroads there maybe probably this is I mean it's very cyclical and and yet I also think if I'm being honest you know a lot of people just love to hate on Apple they're just not Apple people and so it's like this is just like yeah suck it Apple Samsung's back that's just the the norm these days is to love the negative news right like oh what they got some negative news let's pump that up you know which you know when we were looking for stories I'm like yeah I know this could be a little bit sound negative but I feel like well we'll see you know the tables these are you know quarter to quarter we'll see how this all changes I feel like it's just going to be a jockeying back and forth but nothing to like I don't know nothing to really sneeze about people make a bigger deal out of it than it really really is yeah I mean I think that again you know our lifestyle take away is it's not like Apple is going to not give us iOS 18 because of this you know I mean they're looking way years ahead into the future you know no matter what happens it's like they're they're you plan stuff out pretty far when you work in the at the scale of manufacturing right these companies do so yeah you know it's worth a mention that's what we thought don't fret nothing to worry about if you're worried at all just something to just keep an eye on you know like oh yeah you know if your friends have a Samsung then you didn't see them with a Samsung before maybe they're contributing to this news I don't know you're the one that contributed to the news I heard on Apple vision show how dare you how dare you you're the one that's giving me the green bubble what's the message oh the green bubble gosh you know I wish it was less of an issue but it really is a big issue not for me even if I am in a conversation with someone with an Android phone like that doesn't bother me at all it's the group it's the group texts where things get weird where they just registered they look weird they show up weird and you're like what's happening it's just so stupid but hopefully with RCS will be in better shape we'll see hopefully through iOS 18 oh man alright should we take a quick break let's do it I didn't know Amos if you were going to play and we are back and we I am alone I did notice this is good because then I'll remember here at this point that Sarah left there thank you Amos for joining me for a few seconds this will be good for me when I edit the show everybody who is watching live it will forever live in YouTube but for the audio they will not know because I will edit that I saw her freeze up when I was trying to maybe show her or show you only and then let her come back in see if Streamard would fix itself and that didn't work so I did go to the cut I had to go back over and hit the button weird Ami yes we were always supposed to be all about Apple always we just kind of you know there we go it was almost perfect during the ad so it was like oh this is going to be easy to edit what was funny was as we were getting to the break I had my little beach ball going what's going on with Chrome you know but then you said take a break and I was like alright and then it's like silence and I'm like wow we're taking a long break and then I realized that Chrome had crashed well it was silent and then all of a sudden I saw because there was no choice it just I came full screen and I was like oh Amos why did you do that and then I'm thinking oh because Sarah's gone I was trying to bounce Sarah get her video to start so oh gosh gracious well we're back now we are back we are back I'll hit the music here in a second okay hold on one second one second I need thank you oh you need to reboot some more no I don't need to reboot but I need for some reason our dock is not open anymore so I need to help okay gotcha gotcha um isn't it supposed to be ah where is it I was looking at the time and I was like well we should probably take the break here and as soon as I put that up there I noticed that Sarah's video was jacked and I was like oh well that's that's going to work out nice it worked out actually seamlessly for audio so literally like after the you know I'll cut out the part where I say waiting for the slate can you send me the link I don't know why it's nowhere put it in the probably chat thank you thank you thank you beautiful alright we're back I don't know okay alright are we are we gonna are you ready we don't have to mention that you left yeah because it was clean so yeah yeah whenever you're ready hit the streamer here in just a second you know Eileen I said earlier that I've got my Mac mini that powers this office yeah scenario that I have that I use for everything so in a way I mean for streaming and good audio and lighting and all that stuff I mean it's not like a crazy setup but it's a computer that's running everything and that said it's not an M1 it's the generation just before that and I said it gets a little sluggish sometimes this is a great example because during our break I started getting the beach ball and I was like come on now Chrome was it didn't like crash crash I mean I just had to force quit so I'm not going to blame the Mac mini but it feels like this just keeps happening and I don't have issues with Chrome on my M1 I'm our MacBook Air too many things Eileen too many things I hesitate to say oh it must be Chrome because I think it might be the Mac mini come on little guy so remember a couple weeks ago when I had that like disastrous like 8x dropout it was Chrome and I have and I also have an M1 on my laptop my pro but I have since switched to Firefox and I'm not having an issue now last week I was using Chrome but I could anyway that was a long technical situation because I want to but this week I went back and for several weeks since that crash I've been using Firefox but maybe it is the M1 too I need to think about that Chrome and Firefox are my two most used browsers as well I sometimes use Safari funny that this is an Apple show I'm just going to be really honest I use Safari like twice a year because sometimes I'm just like something's rendering weird in Chrome let's see how it looks on Safari kind of thing and there's it's not because Safari isn't a great browser in fact I think it is great it's just force of habit more than anything I've got so many you know I sync all my Chrome extension everything is just I gotcha already and I'm very much in the Google universe in all things cloud but but yeah stupid so you're going to be super excited for that Mac mini M3 when that comes out Sarah's in the first in line the nice thing about the minis is I mean they're not free but they're pretty affordable for what they do and it's just you know it's a little workhorse you know I keep looking at it you like want to show us like it but you know it's smaller in size right so you know it's I don't know now you got me thinking maybe I should get that as my next device I mean I would love an iMac Pro but it's just not in the budget anytime soon so getting a new Mac mini and rocking my Asus monitor that I have right now makes way more sense oh there it is you know pocketbook and just work with what you got type thing well these are our choices if you're looking at our video right now of different Mac minis and you know comparably that is you know not that bad of a price the middle too look at that 799 8-core CPU 10-core CPU unified memory yeah these are nice and yeah I'm into it alright so where was the last when was the last time rather Eileen you used the app open table to reserve a restaurant not even necessarily like something that was like hard to get into but just to know ahead of time we got reservations for 7 type thing oh like I think a couple 2 or 3 weeks ago pretty recent yeah yeah you and Tom go out to dinner fairly often you know and obviously you've got friends around and in fact I think when you and Tom and I went out now the restaurant we went to we just went early because you got busy later yeah I don't know if they take reservations they're not probably not but but open table has been my go to you know speaking of speaking of apps I would say it's one of my more used not you know post pandemic not as much because I just got used to never going out to eat and now I'm still trying to get back to life but now that I'm living in LA again surrounded by all these options and it's so nice to just be like alright you know make the reservation blah blah blah well so that's what open table does hopefully I'm not explaining the obvious because many of you are familiar with it already but what it also has is the reservation system and then the review system so I can say alright you know I made reservations for three at such and such restaurant and then afterwards I really liked the food or I didn't you rate it you know between one and five type thing very much the review system that is familiar you know it's like y'all but just based on open table and open table announced last week that it was going to do away with anonymous reviews which were allowed up until this point was also going to be retroactive so if I Sarah Lane left an anonymous review that for whatever reason I really wanted to be anonymous even if I have a profile on open table maybe it was because I hated the restaurant and I said something really skating maybe maybe I just didn't want my name associated with it kind of thing they were going to add my first name so not Sarah Lane but Sarah and a profile picture if I had uploaded one which I didn't even I didn't even know I like I had to look at my app and be like do I have a profile picture no I don't like I do on Yelp I mean I just forgot to add one I usually always have a profile picture if I'm you know if it's an option but a lot of people do so it's like if I Sarah with my face leave anonymous review three years ago or even you know six months ago and the restaurant or anybody else can kind of be like okay she was here on this day this is definitely her that gets weird you know there's too much information about me all of a sudden because I chose to be anonymous in the past so a lot of people got really mad at open table you know open table like we want to be more transparent you know we want people to take accountability for the reviews that they write you know your identity is you know that's reality and on the surface I can see where they're going with this but people are really mad like you can't do that to like old reviews that I wrote now that person could go and delete the review but that is effort on their part for kind of a stupid reason it's like I had privacy and now you want to make it less private with good intentions going forward but don't go back in time as I suspected within just a couple of days open table said okay okay okay too many people are complaining about this we get it we're not going to do this for anonymous reviews in the past it's going forward and if you you know you don't have to have a profile picture so I mean the name Sarah pretty common Sarah with no profile picture I'm not weirded out by that unless I was you know I don't know running from the law or something but I don't know how everybody else felt about it I didn't even really I've never written an open table review I've written some scathing Yelp reviews though and they're still up and they're like slightly embarrassing but they're also associated with me so whatever you know I did that yeah I mean I think my knee jerk reaction hearing you say this story was like retroactive what and then I thought well are they just lazy and they don't want they just want to just like clean slate and not have to I don't know change it later which is why they're saying yeah all of it like there's a lever and it you know exposes everything the whole time open tables been an app which like why even do that is there like to me I'm thinking how many nefarious you know body reviews are there you know that they're thinking they need to combat or is it again just laziness on open tables part because what happened was in the past let's move forward is kind of how I feel right we need to like and honestly when I look at reviews that are three plus years old I don't even like they're probably not credible anymore to me because things were changed yeah or totally agree with you anytime I read a review and especially if like a person had well I guess they could have had a really good experience but bad experiences tend to draw us to this sort of thing you know when you're fired up about something you're like I'm going to write the review it's kind of speak to the manager energy and so yeah if you but I will be looking at you know maybe I'm looking at a new restaurant type thing and if I saw an open table review that was four years ago it's just like this is the worst you know chicken dinner I've ever had it's like they might have changed the entire recipe or the menu by now kind of thing but if I read about it like ooh that was like last week I'm like hmm yes I wonder I wonder if you know this restaurant has their you know act together mm-hmm yeah and I mean I think if the reviews are consistent for years that's different but getting a new chef getting like a remodel getting a new menu could completely change the trajectory of you know that dining experience so totally I don't yeah if it like honestly I really I think I probably just look at the last two years if I see something from five years ago like oh okay well hopefully they fix their you know I mean if it's really horrendous then yes I may consider it but I don't even know if I you know I like to sort newest first on all of those types of reviews and then I don't really scroll all the way down if this you know newest first is that's a that's a good tip yeah just just don't like I do that definitely for Yelp I don't know that because I don't think I've actually written a review for open table myself maybe I have or I you know I definitely give stars you know and I actually when I get the email from open table like how was your experience I'll just do the stars like great I tend to do that too I'm like I know that's good intel for open table so you know if I liked the restaurant I am or you know however I felt about it it's like the review processes they make it pretty easy but anyway so yes for anybody who was bent out of shape about open table making anonymous reviews not anonymous anymore well you know they they they they met you halfway yeah they're looking to don't worry about it but speaking of apps we're gonna this is like we were thinking about what were we going to talk about this week and you know Sarah you came up with a great idea of like why don't we just talk about apps that make our life better yeah I and no okay so and there are so many right so moments this will be a re occurring segments because obviously apps are everywhere and we all use different apps or use apps differently you just have lots of choices which is great this week I'm going all in on Apple's own apps okay I don't use all of them but I do use the news app the journal app which is relatively new oh interesting okay and the podcasts app which I know is a little controversial because a lot of people don't think it's a very good app okay so let's start with the news app I didn't used to use the news app until very recently and they got me because when I um registered I guess it was the vision pro or maybe it was my got an Apple TV when I moved you know when you get a new Apple product they'll be like would you like three months of Apple Fitness Plus you know or News Plus and with News Plus I had ignored it and then um I got another like sort of a reminder like you have three free months of News Plus and I was like yeah I mean then I just write on my calendar to unsubscribe the day before it ends I mean maybe I'll keep it you know but at least I know that it can be completely free for three months and I'm not going to get tricked into paying you know $14.99 a month or whatever it is after that so um and this all happened because I have friends who often send me articles like oh here's an interesting article but they're getting these they're pulling it because they're using the news app so it turns into an article that I either can or can't read within the news app itself where I'm just like I have to go find it on the internet kind of thing not the end of the world but I was like yeah let me take advantage of News Plus it is very nice with the exception of the New York Times which opted out of the the news app I believe in 2020 you uh and you know I read a lot of New York Times articles so that's kind of a bummer but with the exception of that there are so many publications that are part of the news app and a lot of this stuff is just pure fun for me like real simple magazine that is not going to help me on Daily Tech News show but I like having that as part of my you know it's news of sorts it's lifestyle it's entertainment it's a nice app it's presented well there's a you know an audio section if you want to listen to stuff so it's like not exactly podcasty but you get a lot of crossover there so I've really been enjoying it and I was like blissfully unaware of how much I would enjoy the news app for like years yeah I actually love it too specifically for the magazines and you know I can't describe to magazines but I can get the latest issue of L on the news app and it comes with news plus and I just discovered so I used to have a I think it was like $60 a year or $45 anyway whatever expensive subscription to online subscription to dwell well turns out it's been on Apple news plus this entire time so I canceled that and now I get it within my service of news plus oh I still have it I remember dwell being a very expensive subscription as well and I remember this is such a weird just anecdote but a friend of mine her house was like on the cover of dwell one month yeah like like she you know they did like a renovation in San Francisco and so they like were like a big you know it was a big deal and so I was for whatever reason I knew this and I was like maybe during the pandemic I don't know I couldn't like go buy the magazine somewhere and so I was like all right let me find it online somewhere and I had to like buy the subscription which I think I got like a free month and then cancel it just so I could see the front of the whatever it was but I was like well I don't like dwell that much seemed expensive to me yeah so yeah the news app great way to stay up on news a lot of magazine content you know rolling stone right you know it's like I don't I don't need all that stuff it like you know dead tree versions and I I'm I love going digital for stuff like this I just think I think it's it's it's cool well designed I like it on macOS as well but as far as apps go I'm digging it on iOS the journal app now the journal app got added to the current version of iOS and a lot of people were like what is this what is this app in fact a few people I know were like I just deleted it immediately and I was like I don't need to delete it but the notifications of time to start journaling were really starting to get to me and that's been going on for a couple of months and instead of so I turned off notifications and I was like okay you'll never bother me again journal app but then I was like but I'm not even giving you a chance what's up so because I'm not much of a journaler I know people are you know aka kind of just diary and things down journaling I know it's it's like very meditative and and helpful for a lot of people in fact it's quite a you know the journaling way of life is a really big deal to a lot of folks and that's great I don't really do a lot of that I just don't I don't know why and so I was like journaling but when you open the app what what I really like about it is I mean I can just you know start from scratch and just start writing but it will also remind me like you took a walk on Thursday morning here's the map you know do you want to add you know some thoughts about that I took a picture of a dog on that walk that was like a really cute dog it's like you know I mean do I want to like journal about that well I don't know maybe it wasn't that significant but maybe it was so it's kind of like it's sort of like going like hey here's a reminder of something that might spark some ideas and I think that's kind of neat and then you know someone who I've connected with recently which I assume means someone I've messaged with recently because like my mom came up as someone I've connected to recently and it's like well I mean we've been connected since I was alive so I think it's probably based on yeah like just you know who you're chatting with and it's a variety of you know and then there's there are options like you know has somebody inspired you recently and then you can you sort of click on that as a prompt you know just to kind of get the brain working I think again it's not for everybody if you sort of like I don't want to write this you know because the whole journaling thing is supposed to be this thing you do for yourself it's not like you know a blog post that you're going to publish later it's like this therapeutic thing that not only lets you sort of get your thoughts out but also lives as this sort of booklet of memories and yours and I think that's pretty cool because I think if it was just like the journal app like write something on Monday I'm like wouldn't I just do that in the notes app like this is done but I feel like this is a little bit more fun I'm still going to keep notifications off because I can't be bothered to journal every day but I'm going to give it a try so I will report back in a couple of weeks and let you know if I'm a happier person because I've got on the journaling train ooh I want to know I mean maybe I'll check it out yeah I the prompts are interesting because you know if you just look at a blank slate it's really hard sometimes to think what should I note you know I don't know it's nice to be inspired I guess so I will check that out and then finally the podcast app I know that everybody loves pocketcast or overcast or anything but Apple podcasts and Apple podcast is the UI is wonky it is but I'm just going to I'm going to just admit it and be fully transparent I'm not going to pretend I'm someone I'm not I'm still using it because sometimes I get set in my ways and you know it's an app and I'm using it so there I'm kind of yeah I use the you know yes I use the Apple podcast app and then occasionally because I'm a big Spotify user I might find a podcast on there because they feature it or whatever but I generally listen to my podcasts on the Apple podcast app I have no problem with the the I don't have no problem with it at all as long as it plays and now it has transcriptions this is fantastic I love it yeah I mean I think the only the only thing that constantly bugs me is I'll be listening to an episode of a podcast right something I'm subscribed to but it's not you know I'm like where is this the most recent one show me the list right and sometimes it's like hard to figure like if it's already playing I'll click on what I think it should be and I want my list and it's like it just doesn't take me to the right place I don't really know how to describe it but I know other people have had the same issue it just it's not super intuitive all the time and sometimes the settings which I don't actually fuss with because I want all my podcasts to play you know oldest to newest but you know the way that you the way your experience works I mean you can get really granular about how different podcasts behave and I just like it all to work the same way but I am so I I do sometimes especially if a podcast will end I just let it go and it jumps into like the middle of a podcast that I didn't finish before where I'm like you know oh okay well where are we in this podcast like do I even want to listen to the end of this or do I want to like jump to something newer anyway all that to be said I have other podcast apps that I should probably I should probably revisit but you know transparency using the podcast yeah yeah alright so my three apps I wasn't sure if I was going to go all Apple or not and I didn't mostly because I think about the ones that I use every day and I'm not going to add like the social networking apps that I do use in fact the one that I use the most is TikTok but I'm like and it doesn't really enhance my life it probably degrades it a bit so let's not go there to be honest with you but the ones that I feel like are really helpful in my life that I use constantly the first one should be a no-brainer to some of you guys since I've been saying that I've been learning Korean which is Duolingo I have been using Duolingo single since we moved to this house in 2018 it was a way for me to kind of de-stress and also I was learning at the time I was learning Mandarin and I'm still taking Mandarin I'm also taking a little French but of course now I'm using the app for Korean and today when I do Duolingo today I will be at 1800 and 19 days 1800 19 days Wow streak it's a streak and so that's the other thing they gamify just to use it every day you get one and then you get whatever it's a gamified kind of thing but yeah um I panic if I don't use the app uh and there are actually there's a feature like once you've been using it for so long to keep your streak you know but you only get X amount of those so there's been a couple days especially when I'm like traveling internationally one time when we're going to Japan I'm like how did I lose my streak I I played at 11 p.m. Pacific time and now you're telling me I lost my streak because I flew in I was so angry but I mean I had my streak I had my streak free so it was totally fine it's a little obsessive I get that but it's actually I'm learning so over the one two three four five six oh seven years uh six years of of using it I have a basic knowledge of Mandarin and it's helping with me with my Korean right now and I and I learned French just because I wanted to romance language and I've in the past taken Spanish I really like um the listening tools on it I like being able to speak and you know every once in a while the iPhone doesn't hear me correctly and I'm like I said yeah it's just fun and you know there are you partner with somebody sometimes and you have like these um sort of uh yeah again um like how many you know you partner with them for the week and it's like once you do it ten times together you win you get extra you know points and blah blah blah blah all this stuff there's so many language there's so many language apps but that's my go to and specifically because I'm on 1800 and 19 days so I have to do this before that is impressive I was like okay you've kept track but if that's a streak I mean my streaks I'll get like a couple weeks and then I just I don't know I get busy or I'm not in the mood I am practicing French on Duolingo last year I I paid for Duolingo plus I think it's called and um I I guess I canceled that which was a little bit more expensive than I thought it would be but because I was I I just I don't know while I was moving and you know I just fell off the wagon um you know yeah whatever yeah whatever the analogy is to the point where I I was like because Duolingo is right on my home screen on on my iPhone and the little you know bird I guess the owl now has like a sad face and I'm like is it because I'm not playing and they change the icon on my home screen or is everyone seeing the sad owl I think it's I know I think it's because because I'm I'm is this your face can you see it at all oh you can't see my stream but like it does look concerned it's not quite happy the eyes are a little concerning oh see you have a totally different icon than I do okay yeah weird all right huh yeah I I think it's because it's sad because I'm not playing because I really haven't been until like yeah the only other thing about Duolingo and Eileen um let me know how you deal with this is you I mean you can tell it like hey I'm not in a place where I can speak out loud right now type yeah exactly but but you know and you could use um headphones I guess but I will often be playing and you know the ding ding when you get something yeah whoever's around me is like what is that because I'm like I have to hear it you know so it's like if you don't have earbuds which again I do so not a big deal but um you it can be a little disruptive if you're sharing space with other people because if you want to use it to its full capacity you really do have to say things out loud you do sound your pronunciation oh are you there okay um yeah no I um oh there's sound effects I guess you could turn those off if you really want to but I like hearing the dings I do too yeah I just like being it feels like it's talking back to me more so than just you know I don't know anyway but then you still have to hear you have to hear the app you know even if you turn off the ding dings there's there's the app is there's a lot of audio involved yeah because that's the way you learn a language I don't know exactly now they've even added music to the situation too for some languages you could actually learn yeah music so all right so that is uh my first one the second one is Apple Notes I use it all the time and the biggest reason why I use it is the ability to um sync across devices when I throw something you know in most of the Apple apps there's the ability to sync but there's just something for me whenever I need to cut and paste something an article or whatever I mean I just if I'm on my uh laptop I know that when I throw it in notes I'm going to be able to pick it up in my phone or my iPad and it just it works it's meaningless I don't even have to think it's there um and I also you know I don't know if I should say this but I do use it for passwords and sometimes when I can't remember my password I I'm like buttock for more notes there it is because I've got a password for human notes as well yeah so anyway I just for me there's so the Notes app is and I've watched so many tutorials recently of the Notes app it's so robust it really is and we're not using it to its full potential and most people don't use it to its full potential for like the folders and the categorizing and the hashtags and all this stuff that's really functioning more than just a notepad so um I I really love it W. Scottis once says you can lock notes to Face ID oh thank you so yeah I should and yeah that particular section is locked so yeah I gotta I gotta tell you I there's just too many passwords and my last pass doesn't always work across the but anyway um so Notes I love it so much because it's just so seamless and then the final app that I use um a lot is Capcut uh I use that now on my desktop um it's not the editing app Capcut is an editor a video editor app um I don't use it for this show or the main show for audio but I do use it for our social cuts when you see cuts on Instagram and TikTok I've cut those on Capcut desktop but the um iPhone app is what I love and I use that constantly to take my raw footage and to kind of like it's so easy to use and so intuitive and now they have pro features that are even amazing there's like even AI tools that I've used to see here's my raw footage cut it down in 30 seconds and it does a pretty decent job plus it has captioning plus it has I don't know just they keep adding more features and I'm like oh my god please stop um I don't know if I need it anymore they have templates that make everything you know you can you can make and build a really cool reel really quickly uh with with the app so Capcut is something that I love on a mobile um uh on my mobile device like I love it so much desktop is new but I am using it more on my desktop and I don't know maybe I might dump that Adobe um premiere for Capcut we'll see it's not it's not great for everything that I need on it as a desktop but it might get there so I have to admit I've never used it I've never used Capcut and I'm gonna download it or install it as soon as we're done here the thing in really the thing I had people ask me what I should use and I'm not a you know a strong editor um and I'm like just use Capcut they got templates or they'll make it super easy for it's it really is intuitive I can't express how easy it is to use and it does really cool things now there's if you're used to a different program you're gonna it's gonna take some time like where the hell is audio fade like sometimes a couple couple times when I first started using I'm like how is there no audio fade oh it's there it's just different you know every software is different so anyway download Capcut well um we are going to wrap up the show by talking a little bit about what we're watching so we know a little bit about the apps that we're using and um the show I mean I watch lots of shows but a new show that is part of Apple TV plus called Sugar starring Colin Farrell a lot of people saw that a lot of people are so Amy Ryan, Sydney Chandler James Cromwell um yeah a lot of folks but um he plays a well plays an American like detective who's trying to figure out you know it's like a it's like a murder mystery type thing kind of reminds me of uh why am I blanking on this the Matthew McConaughey Woody Harrelson first season of they were in Louisiana yes everybody loved it yes somebody help the true detective true detective thank you so it's true detective is a little bit more like supernatural powers type thing and I've only gotten through I think the first two episodes of Sugar first of all I won't spoil anything there really isn't anything to spoil at this point because nobody knows what's going on yet it's more just like character development but um it's like there's more than meets the eye to him um and we're we're seeing little little um little hints about that and you know he's a very good actor I've always liked him he really seems to be on a roll right now you know he's he's he's sort of back in the spotlight um after maybe he's been really busy acting this whole time and I just didn't know but it seems like over the last few years it's like wow did you get a new agent or something you're kind of everywhere but that's good you know I like you but it is it's a little it's a little heavy on it's modern day they're in LA um and they're you know very cinematic LA stuff um you know you see like the Griffith observatory and you know palm trees and you know cool cars and stuff like that but it's like it's modern but it's trying to evoke this old Hollywood like LA confidential sort of mystery charm there's flash bags it's it's sort of strange in that way at first I was like I think I see what they're doing I don't know if I like it but I think you just have to kind of go with it and it becomes a somewhat interesting and rather slow paced show again after two episodes I'm like nothing's really happened yet but I see we're gonna get there so anyway so you know give it a shot if you have Apple TV plus it's number one on Apple's TV show chart so it's sugar right in front of Benjamin Franklin here um yeah yeah there's actually I wanna I think I want a comedy so I was gonna check out Lute with Maya Randall Rudolph sorry I don't know if you've seen that yet but I haven't I saw the trailer yeah I'm looking for something short just because my Korean dramas on Netflix are really long so I want something a little bit more you know snackable I guess so I'm looking for the 30 I'm looking for my Ted Lasso replacement I'm hoping there's something here on Apple TV so yeah I so to answer the question of what I'm watching I haven't been watching a series on Apple TV quite yet but I am very interested so yeah I will let you guys know if I start Lute and how that goes but what I did do this weekend on my Apple TV using the YouTube app was I watched I watched Olive Coachella Friday Saturday and Sunday I mean I watched as much as I could starting when they started their stream like 4 or 5 and then I just kept going this is what I did this is why I'm like I felt like I went to a festival and I didn't even go to the festival because the thing about it this year is that they had well they've always streamed all of the stages over the I think the last couple years they have opened up live streaming every single stage for every single artist that's up there so you don't really have to go you can just watch right camera angles sometimes are a little weird sorry TV technical directors and directors of Coachella but sometimes you don't focus on the right camera angles anyway the what they've added is multi view meaning like on one screen you can see the Sahara tent the main stage the Gobi tent all at one and you can follow and so when one goes down meaning like when they're done and your weight or if you're waiting for an artist you can just really have that screen up and you know it's just a slate that says who's coming up but you don't lose what else is going on I never missed any of the special guests that came out on all of the shows so when Olivia Rodrigo came out with no doubt and I was kind of busy watching something else I didn't miss that when Shakira made it like a surprise a guest with an artist that I wasn't even I didn't know and I wasn't paying attention I saw her I'm like let's go right there she's right there so I was able to catch all of the crazy you know special guests and then click back to the artists that I really wanted to hear it was a good experience you know so I yeah I felt like I camped out at Coachella with all of them but I didn't have to sweat I didn't have to be in the heat or the wind and it was great I got to hear I got to experience artists that I didn't even know existed and it was fun it was really fun so I now having gone because they're gonna do it for a second weekend now I know who I really want to receive for now that I've watched because they're gonna do the whole thing again next weekend you can experience the whole live streaming bit and you know I always discover someone new even if I know the name of the artist maybe I didn't really listen to them but when I see them live oh my god I love them even more I'll say that this one this artist is big but I watched his set last night I watched J Balvin and I know his songs but when I saw him live even on my TV I was like that man I will shake my booty I will go to his concert like this is exciting he had like a set with aliens and like a spaceship I was like what is going on and then I don't know if you know Sarah but he brought out Will Smith to wrap I have not caught up on all the Coachella stuff Will Smith has not done anything since the incident and all of us and he's up there dressed because the whole alien thing with men in black right so he goes up there and wraps apart and gives J Balvin a break and then the concert resumes and more J Balvin music I didn't know that yeah he showed up last night it was like wait what the what did I just watch I'm like does this mean he's back he's gonna come back into the public or is he still kind of like ashamed but anyway it was fun it was fun to watch all weekend long and I really did discover some amazing new artists and watch some of my favorite K-pop artists too so that was really fun that's great I knew Coachella was happening this weekend I knew I could watch it I just sort of didn't not for any real reason but this inspires me maybe maybe to check things out next weekend because yeah as you mentioned they do it you know it's two weekends first weekend second weekend and I mean unless like a surprise guest is like different than Olivia Rodrigo with no doubt next week I mean at this point like people would really want her to come back you know but maybe they'll do something different but for the most part you kind of go like okay I see what I see what what's in store for me and yeah yeah yeah I don't know a lot of times when I've watched in the past they do change up the special guest although the weird one is I watched Vampire Weekend and they brought up Paris Hilton to play what is the game cornrow where you throw the cornhole and you that is weird I don't understand how that is part of a musical show but okay yeah and then she left she left the stage she came out looking like a Paris Hilton like she does and then she did she tossed the thing and then she left I was like this is the strangest thing it just sounds weird yeah and I feel like Vampire Weekend actually he told the story that they were called a week ago to perform so they didn't have a lot of time and so maybe they were like you can get a special because the thing to do is grab a special guest you know and maybe they didn't have one there's like a moment yeah the wouldn't it be funny to have I mean they do have a new album apparently which I didn't know I guess it was a talkable moment because you're like what the heck does she have to do I was like I literally thought she was going to sing why are you and then she didn't and I was like okay bye nothing against her I guess she has had a couple of sort of pop hits not recently but she's a DJ I don't know I mean kind of a hey you're in the music scene whatever I don't know how Cornhole fits into this but maybe we're not supposed to overthink it too much exactly exactly so anyway I would suggest you all check it out or just kind of you know check out the grid of artists you'd be surprised I think you know as much as I the nice thing is that you watched it when it was live but stuff is available on demand too 1000% you can actually go to the Coachella live streaming channel right now and like just scroll and you know oh did you miss Doja Cat in a mud ring last night Sarah yeah I did I think it's actually good also Doja Cat had a moment where she had big foot like all of her dancers look like big foot including her I was very like this is almost like I'm like I know she's got a lot of pop hits but the presentation is very much like performance art like a modern art set and then at the very end the last song like she was in a mud pit I kid you not and I was like I was riveted I don't even know what to think anymore but it is worth your time to watch I will put on a good show I mean that's that's entertainment is not boring well hopefully we didn't bore you either everyone here at episode 11 we usually stick to an hour we give you a little extra content today so real quick just a reminder we are on instagram we're on tiktok we also please email us feedback at applevisionshow.com and I don't know Eileen did you did you see anything on any of the socials that caught your eye as far as stuff that we need to respond to oh we did get some comments on youtube that's cool hidden run Tony said if Apple Vision Pro becomes mainstream personas can become a thing like in the movie surrogates where their avatar will stay young and good looking long after the user gets old and bald etc yeah I think I have not seen this movie but I think there are other examples that are sort of similar to this there was that black mirror episode where it's like you know they're in love but they're you know the real life thing and then like vanilla sky sort of the same thing where it's like in real life everything went to heck but you know in his like fantasy life he gets the girl and is happy again I don't think personas has a way ways to go but I get where you're going Tony I get where you're going with this I think this whole sort of living a self that is a lot like you but yeah doesn't have the issues that humans have like my back hurt this morning I don't think my persona has a back oh yeah so they're fine they're fine and they're never gonna get blemishes either they're always gonna look amazing the skin is gonna look so good there you go yeah the first persona I made actually on vision pros like uh uh we need to redo that one I hate myself but you know they let you it's not quite face ID levels they're trying to look good there is one more comment this one was for me I just wanted to make sure I answered it but uh hi Aileen I know you're learning Korean right now but curious if you speak Tagalog at all my wish is to learn Korean and Japanese out of the show thank you guys I am half bilingual I understand Tagalog but I don't speak it because I didn't have to learn it at home my parents um first I'm second generation but you know they wanted me to learn English they immigrated from the Philippines and uh while I can speak it specifically um I tried my best when I was in the Philippines but they all knew and you know English is a many people speak English in the Philippines um but yeah I can watch a show I can listen you know and I understand a hundred percent what's what but the because I never really used it to speak I can say words and I'm just not fluent you hear that from a lot of um people who grew up in a household where English was not the first language is oh yeah like you know for like my mom spoke Spanish at home like I understand everything she's saying but then I'll just answer her in English type thing yeah yeah exactly so it's like two different parts of the brain yeah yeah and because I wasn't really asked to have to speak it even though all our relatives would come over and they would be speaking it they were I think maybe everybody was really interested me speaking in English I was the first born so you know they wanted to hear me I don't know hear me with an American accent um nowadays I feel like like my sister's kids are learning they're actually learning well the oldest is learning Mandarin right now even though she's half Filipino so um yeah the the trend now is to be more bilingual these days and to know your native tongue so um I don't know that I regret it but no at least you know I can understand it completely you can't say anything to me and try to pull one over me because I understand well thankfully I can't try I can't understand a darn word I mean there are like I feel like Tagalog is one of those there are a lot of like English words where you go like I have no idea what that sentence was but I heard the word you know radio you know there are certain words that stand out we were like oh English is there's stuff and then also kind of makes her Spanish yeah thank you for that thank you for that comment icy cold 9406 well y'all I think we're going to wrap this one up thanks so much for joining us and if you have feedback for the show once more feedback at applevisionshow.com send us your feedback we will take that feedback and make something yummy for you a bowl of soup warm soup or cold soup in a hot day I don't know it'll just be tasty one of my favorite kinds of soup can't wait yeah it's a summer soup that was Amos telling us to shut up you know for a show where I was like what are we going to talk about Sarah so we don't need that much you know I literally just for those of you on the live stream my nose was so itchy that whole show I felt like somebody was like there was like a feather and I'm like I don't want to take care of it because I don't want to look like I'm picking my nose you know so I was sort of like I kept trying to do it when you're talking and then it sort of like traveled over to the left side where I'm like it's so itchy it's so annoying yeah I don't know I'm not sick I feel sort of you know I have a thick sinus issue oh yeah that's annoying that's annoying Sarah I have your Duolingo yeah wait that's what mine looks like it must be because you're not using it it must be because I noticed that again hadn't been on the app at all for like a couple months and it's on my home screen and one day I looked at it and I'm like was it always like that? I don't think so why would they want such a sad owl to be like the icon so I went in and I played a couple of exercises and I went back to the home screen I'm like still sad okay Duolingo message taken message received point taken you just have to do it once a day and then it'll go away oh trust me my streaks again I'm not as disciplined as you are but I enjoy it I have to play Duolingo today no it's fun it's like exercising if I exercise every day I keep exercising every day if a couple weeks go by you forget how great you feel and you're just like maybe tomorrow maybe tomorrow momentum works in both directions it does yeah I didn't even get into the probably same idea there the more you journal the more you journal I thought he was telling me they're gonna go live no I didn't even get into the whole leagues of it all there's the whole championship leagues there's all these different levels to be in and I'm in the diamond league I finally came back after I was in the diamond league because I was doing real good for a while but I'm definitely not anymore the whole there will be people I haven't dabbled in any language except French but there will be people that I don't know who are like slightly ahead of me and I'm like alright I've got another 15 minutes let's get ahead well sometimes they give you the boost too where you get double the points for 15 minutes if you play right now you get double points for every level I'm like okay I'll keep going I know it's like well I mean if it was a you know some sort of a game app where it was being like that in-app purchase predatory stuff where I just try to stay away from that kind of thing but this is like it's just I mean I guess it's the same because it wants you to just stay in the app but it's like it's very effective because it's fun I mean it is a game in a way learning real world skills it's not an escapist kind of thing and it is helpful I mean I was learning French before Duolingo ever came along so you know I didn't start from scratch but it's still just a little it's that every day just keep it fresh instead of me being like oh my god how do you say church again it's like I know I just saw that a few minutes ago it was in a word or in a sentence in a sentence yeah I need an app that will help me learn ASL that's the language I want to learn there probably is there's got to be if you're watching or listening right now and you know an app that will help learn ASL the way Duolingo is helping me learn Hawaiian that's funny I didn't even know that was a Duolingo option that's pretty cool American Sign Language if anyone's confused they even had like the Game of Thrones language I don't know if they still do it Tothraki I think Valerian what am I am I crazy I thought it was Hi Valerian Klingon they have in here wow Klingon is probably the most well established fantasy language is it? yeah I believe so there's also Elvish from Lord of the Rings I don't know if that's in Duolingo but oh it might be I don't know anyway there was one moment in the show Sarah where I thought you froze yes and that's why I was like I saw because I was looking at the video at that time I saw a tiny glitch on you but it didn't freeze so we probably just saw each other like little whatever and then just sort of because you're like are you there I'm like yes maybe I was just being really still you were cause I was like oh no is she freezing again like do I have to start over okay guys I got a bounce and I know you've got another thing to do but this was fun thank you all later everybody for watching the live stream bye bye bye bye