 But let's begin with the background to the story and it said in Iceland in 2010, how Thor-Dudson became an FBI informant and was participating in a sting operation against Drilling Assange until our first guest got in the way. Ewindor, can you tell us when you were interior minister what happened, what was your role in this story, particularly how you came to understand that Thor-Dudson and Sabo, the leader of the anonymous officer, Lulsek were both FBI informants and were plotting a sting against Assange? Yes, I was minister of interior, as you said, in the government that was in power in Iceland from 2009 until 2013. Now, in the summer of 2011, we got a word from American authorities through Icelandic police and the Icelandic foreign office that the American intelligence had obtained information that Icelandic institutions, key institutions, might be under imminent computer attack. We, of course, were alarmed and contacted all the major institutions that we could think were under such a threat, the Icelandic energy or power industry and then government institutions. Now, this was in June, 2011. The American police, the FBI and the prosecutor of New York police, they asked if we were interested to share information and to cooperate on the investigation of this matter. Of course, we were interested to receive all information they might have on such a serious matter. So at the beginning of July, this year, 2011, we issued a letter of regulatory opening for such cooperation. Now, it turned out later that the Americans, the FBI and the New York state prosecutor interpreted this or wanted to use this as a green light to enter Iceland for completely different purposes. And this is what happened in August that year. A plain load of FBI agents, between seven and nine of them, landed at Reykjavik Airport, proceeded to the, this was on the evening of 24th of August, in the following morning, they proceeded to the office of the Icelandic state prosecutor and started having a discussion with them when I received word of their coming to Iceland. And I, of course, wanted to know what was their mission, what was the purpose of their visit. And then I learned what really was happening. And what was that? Well, they were in Iceland to try to frame WikiLeaks and Julian Assange in particular. Now, these are serious allegations, but I choose my words very, very carefully because I knew this from firsthand from within the Icelandic administration. They were told that the idea was to use Segurður, an Icelandic citizen, Segurður Inki Thorðarsson as an entrapment to contact Julian Assange and involve him in a criminal case to be used later in the United States. This I know for certain. And I have stated this time and again in February 2014 before 2013, I say, before the Icelandic Foreign Affairs Committee and the Icelandic Parliament, where this was discussed. And this, in fact, is not disputed. This is what happened. The FBI came to Iceland to frame Julian Assange. That was the purpose of the visit. When I knew this, I said that this was not in accordance to the letter of the recovery we issued at the beginning of July early in December. And they had no permission to stay on in Iceland. And when I heard that they were on the way to the Icelandic Police headquarters for a meeting on the matter, I stopped this immediately and said there should be no further cooperation with this mission. And they were made to understand that they were not wanted in Iceland. As policemen, they were welcome to look at our waterfalls and our cases and the sites, but for police work, they could not stay on. And what happened next was that I heard a couple of days later that they were still in Iceland. And then we made it clear to the US Embassy that they were not wanted here and they left the country. This is what happened. This is the background. Now, were you surprised when you read in Shundan magazine that Thor Thatzin was, who at the time was an FBI informant, was lying about the whole thing that he told the FBI about Julian Assange having conducted hacking operations through him and that he was in fact a hacking rather than just receiving information as a journalist. Were you surprised by these revelations? No, I was not surprised. Nothing in this case surprises me at all because as I see it, I've always seen this as a conspiracy. This was a conspiracy directed against us, the Icelandic authorities. They were trying, the American police authorities were trying to get our complicity to get us to take part in cooperating on a case against Julian Assange. Now, when was it? Two years, a couple of years ago, Pompeo, Mike Pompeo, he said at the time, the foreign secretary of the United States, former head of the CIA, of course. He said, WikiLeaks is a non-governmental intelligence operation which must be taken down. It was a priority to take WikiLeaks down. Now, that was not a new policy. I experienced the attempt to execute that policy in Iceland in 2011 to get us complicit in that conspiracy. That was the purpose of the visit of the FBI to Iceland in 2011. So, because you knew that this was a Singh operation, you probably thought along that Thordeson was making up these allegations against Assange. Is that right? At the time, there were suggestions made to me that I should have a meeting with Thordeson. I didn't want to do that. I knew nothing of that person at all. All I was interested in was the visit of the FBI to Iceland and if they had permits, they claimed to they were operating along. That was my only interest at the matter. If you had asked me, and people certainly did ask me, where I cited in the matter, I would have said, I, of course, cite with WikiLeaks. I cite with WikiLeaks. I take, I stand with WikiLeaks, not the American authorities. I take sites with the whistleblower, not with those who try to break the whistleblower. So you never met Thordeson, but you knew of his, about him back then? Yes, yes. And I knew, you see that they were going to interview him and what the police told me at the time was that they were, they saw their part in the matter only as protecting an Icelandic citizen. I said, I am protecting Icelandic interests. I am the minister of interior and I am concerned with things being done according to the rule of law. And you don't need the FBI's help to protect Icelandic citizens as interior minister.