 You were not in the original punk scene were you you know I arrived a little late to the punk scene But it was the punk scene in Detroit in Ann Arbor Detroit, okay By the time I got to by the time I got to San Francisco The Mabuhay was nothing but a legend which always inspired my curiosity, which is one of the things that fed into this But really what was driving the initial work on this film was I wanted to do a film about some of my buddies From a similar sort of a setting around Detroit And I realized that living in San Francisco. I was just never gonna pull that off. So I ended up well Let's find something a little closer to home and That's when Kathleen Landino and Michael Reed appeared and said we're about to have this homecoming 2013 and I don't know if it was the biggest mistake in my life or the best But I said well, let's let's let's shoot some footage and see what happens. So Well, it's only been three years. So Six Well, I Shot a little bit of the earliest footage that I shot for this film was the footage that you saw a flipper Which is 2012 in February. It'll be six years six beautiful years. Well films take a long time Thank you for sticking with it. I Promise myself it'll be done before six years more. So That we're hoping yeah Final cut final final cut. Yeah Oh Mia, how is it for you to see this? Does it feel all true, do you think your story is told in a Complete way or not complete way obviously because you're still going Making music. I love this movie so much because I get to see all my old friends when we were all young together And it's a super sweet thing and I'm really grateful to Timmy for you know Showing that so we you know, it can all see it as far as my own story. It's it's hard to be object But I mean, you know, there's a long time ago and It's interesting. I I'm glad I learned how to sing since So yeah, and you perform Quite often, right? Yeah, I actually just changed that recently because I was playing I was busking at Farmers markets mostly and making a living But if you do that for a living you have to do it a lot and I ended up I have a pinched nerve now. Oh So I'm not playing guitar right now So your trip that you just came back from was music related or not, you know We did something that is kind of it's kind we did kind of a bucket list thing and that we just We've mastered an album that Abby wrote. Yeah Pretty cool So that was that was super exciting and I'm glad we did it and it made it sound good Wow, that's a dream come true We're gonna take questions. I don't know if we organize somebody with a microphone I don't think we did so if you have a question. You just have to shout it out You know, I'm always seeking archival footage and I'm I'm hoping I'm hoping to put a little more archival footage in because I think It's one of the things that as I've told people who participated in the film Everybody gets to be young for at least a few frames in the film And I want to get some archival footage more of showing people performing younger to contrast I think it works really nicely with the cases where I do have that so that's that's the main focus There's a couple other interviews. I wouldn't mind doing but I'm gonna try and resist the urge You know, there's always there's always somebody where I oh, I'd really like to hear from this person or that person I'm trying to trying to quell that Any other questions The Avengers or yeah Yes In other places You mean when we're performing or the audience All of it I think Yeah, the Avengers have been performing for the last, I don't know 15 years in a Reformatted version with a younger drummer and a younger bass player and we've toured all over Europe and in the US and Some places have really Really vibrant scenes and other places. It's people who are kind of like that remember it from the old days I want to see it again, but I would say in San Francisco When we play Gilman Street, for instance, there's a huge scene there and it's quite vibrant and it continues So it just depends on the location, but but people when I'm performing anyway for me It's I feel the same as I did when I was 19 I've just The songs the music carries you and it carries you to that moment of anger. I thought it was interesting what Celia was saying about Anger now is that she doesn't have to live it. She can just present it But it doesn't have to live inside her anymore and I feel that same way I don't walk around being super angry, but when I get on stage with the Avengers it's you know The songs and the words and are still there and I'm still angry about a lot of shit that happens in the world, but I Think we should be I think that's one of the things punk rock and I would like to point out that all of the interviews in the film including the ones where everybody said what we Really need punk rock now. We're done before the last presidential election. So you can make your own decision about whether it's needed even more now You know, it's my second film the first one was five minutes long and involved plastic army men experiencing existential angst That that one that one is almost finished as well I had a really big learning curve, but I had really great crew I think you know one of the things that's happened over the last couple years and part of what's impacting my creative process is my crew is Escaping I think there's only one is Ryan the other is anybody besides Ryan Ryan that did all the sound is lurking around here Some are rich your hand Ryan embarrass yourself Ryan Ryan but but for instance Noah that did all the camera work with me He's gone off to study cinematography in Europe and there are many cast of dozens of people that did various work They helped me get through the learning curve. So I I learned a lot along the way I I'm still the slowest editor in the world but But it was this film was sort of a developing process for me, so The most thoughtful editor in the world Mindy I just want to say that I think your film is wonderful and you finally got it together In the terms of editing, you know the process Where the previous cuts were like two separate films? Mm-hmm. I think you did a marvelous job of integration. So good speed for you I'd like to recognize Mindy Mindy Bogdan who did the lot of faster shorter films that you saw There's two people whose approval are the highest on my list the first is Mia Mindy second Any other questions out there Yes Bobby It is it is marginally marginally I have this pesky day job now very distracting do not get a day job if you want to make a film and It's really slowed down the process But I keep chipping away at things and there's there's things are progressing with it But it's not nearly as slow as it not nearly as fast as it had been in the past. So Are you happy with it? happy such Happiness has not quite yet been achieved. We're getting close though We have a question here The ones that haven't rejected it already those are the ones I'm trying to go to and Let me tell you there have been a few so I'm still I'm actually trying to sort out the life path of this film I was interacting with somebody recently and they said, you know, this film is very good I don't know if it'll be interesting to people outside of San Francisco. All that happens is they got older And I was like well actually that's kind of maybe the point of the film, but but I don't know I don't know how I don't know what the life cycle of the film is. I'm still trying to figure that out That's why perhaps why I continue editing obsessively compulsively They're able to understand You know, this is something that came out when I was at the Shooting the original stuff at the punk homecoming events that punk rock song circle put on You know, you don't you don't want the same scene that was in the map when you're in your 60s You know, it's although although there was The case where I was shooting the flipper footage at at the new parish in Oakland I had my crew that are all in their 20s Maybe 30s at the oldest and they're all setting up and they're watching and the crowd's assembling and the crowd is There's flipper on stage and the crowd is approximately age equivalent to flipper and my crew is looking and they're seeing the crowd Starting to move like this and they said one of the guys said to me They're not gonna do what I think they're gonna do are there and they did they did and no one was seriously hurt But it was one of those things where there's also a place for a little calmer slower More geriatric punk rock Any other questions in the back? This is this is kind of an open question it depends on some of that archival footage if some of the things that I'm working on with that Workout, I'll probably editing for another three or four months Then there'll be a period of festival rejections followed by crying wailing and gnashing of teeth And then after that we'll probably screen it again. Maybe in time. Maybe if you do another series Yes, well, we're gonna have to have another SF punk I don't know series at the library. It's been super Popular so you have a goal there something to shoot for now. Yeah in the back here What about it what about it white punks on the tubes I Think that was before punk Yes, yes, the tubes did not associate themselves with the San Francisco punk scene. I Remember they did come To the Mabuhay ones. There was this little scene a little funny little story to tell about the tubes Blondie was in town and playing a show and I went to see Blondie play and They got invited to the tubes warehouse, which was south of market Which was like a big two-story affair and David Bowie was playing an Iggy Pop Span and they had just played the same show with Blondie so inside the club what I mean inside the party was David Bowie and Debra Harry and Iggy Pop and Christine but the guys from Blondie the the rhythm section and guitarists We're hanging out with the Avengers. We're driving around town. So we got there late and when we got there We walked up to the door and the people said, you know, who the fuck are you and we said They said well, we're in Blondie and they said Blondie's already here So So Jimmy Destry of Blondie kicked in the doors of her They had glass doors and he kicked their glass door and it shattered. It's huge glass door And then the guy, you know, some of the tubes came out and they're huge we even without their platform shoes They're kind of they came out. We were all kind of running after the door shattered we were all running back to the car and Grab Jimmy Destry around the neck and this choking him and he's not very tall So he was like his feet were going off the ground and I just went up there and I bit that tube's arm Until he let go and We all screwed off and went I don't know to a bar or something but Apparently his arm what got swollen up and That then the tubes were cursing the Avengers and they actually showed up at the Mubuhei one time when we were playing and I was past a cocktail napkin and it said You know, we'll get our revenge or so And I did actually get bit by another human being some time after that But I don't think they actually were doing it for the tubes To get back to my point the tubes were a little bit before they were more part of the glam rock thing and The fact they use the word punk white punks on dope. I don't think really influenced the punk scene in San Francisco I could be wrong anybody We got time for one or two more questions Irene dogmatic An artist and where I live is the world So I don't know how this fits with what I've watched but I found it very interesting But I found it rather sad in a way watching to be able to die all the stuff that's gone down I don't know. Do you think that you've made this but I don't know what Hmm Have other people said that they felt you know like a film about punk shouldn't be this sad or well I think it does I think it does take a different tone than the typical film about it's sort of There's there's a typical music documentary they rocked really hard Then something bad happened and then they came back and rocked really hard again and that you know There's a little bit of that going on in this What's that? Beautiful You know when I was working starting the early stages of this film I thought this film is going to be a lot of Looking back lost youth and a little bit of decrying of lost youth And there's certainly an aspect of that to a lot of what people's story was was you know when Patrick says I'm okay Not being a rock star right now right now There's there's a there's a there's a you know, it something's gone there a type thing Well, I will say that there's something came out for me in the experience Which is that people had found their own place their own at their at their age at their place in life And there was one there's a line that somebody gave me and I know I know from that reaction A lot of people had here when Cecilia came on that a lot of people are aware that we lost Cecilia Kuhn from Freitwijk Last last year It is but they it is but they did happen and it is Yeah, but if let me just conclude that thought by saying you know I I came into with the feeling that people are gonna be talking about their lost youth And there was a moment where I was interviewing Cecilia and she said something that shocked me I could have fallen off my chair. She said I'm so glad I'm not young And I did not end up using that in the film just because it was it didn't fit in with what I was trying to put together But it was one of those things where it's like, okay What I thought her perspective and the perspective was going to be it's not it's everybody's got their own And she certainly had her own perspective on that which I you know, I feel happy with what I captured with her Okay Yeah And We've got time for one more question this this gentleman here For that Yeah, you know, you know to riff on what you're saying there I was in this very room for an event that was put on by the punk rock sewing circle and Penelope about 2015 where it was a panel of people including Vale and Mickey from creep and they were talking about the Documenting of the era and Michael Stewart Foley said, you know, it's up to people to bring their history To the record you don't leave the writing of history to the people who go through life Keeping archives of the personal papers and that sort of thing It's up to us as punk punks and the people that participated in the scene to document that scene Otherwise it will be forgotten or it'll be over steamrolled by that other perspective And that other perspective is usually people who had more money more control of all of those things And so for me the opportunity to document this and I think something anybody gets a chance should do Is document what we did experience even though this is for me a little distant from my personal experience It's really important to put it in the record and I'm happy to do that with this. So I thank you for that That is going to be it for us because we do the library is closing at 8 o'clock But I just want to remind everybody that you can come up to the sixth floor and look at what we've got in the punk archive with your own eyes and hands carefully and Anyone who has things that they think should be in the punk archive, please contact me That we have a flyer up there about how to contact us and what we're interested in getting and Thank you all for coming to the punk film series. It's been super fun