 See the picture of it. She's standing next to it. She's slightly taller than the barrel. Oh, she's not sealed in it Yeah, it still sucks, but it's less scary Motives as Roger said were financial, but she never made much money from her adventure It's still sucks. I agree She should have had t-shirts mate. Oh, I don't know if t-shirts existed back Barrel was constructed of oak and iron and padded with a mattress, you know, that's actually a good point Roger When did the t-shirt come into you know, it was the 40s 30s, right? I don't know I Mean, you know, you've got Jeans t-shirts. Well, cuz she could have had a t-shirt that said I went over the falls with any are very Very clearly documented as a rising in San Francisco around the Gold Rush, right? Those Particular type of dungery, I guess the t-shirt evolved from undergarments used in the 19th century First the one-piece union suit underwear was cut into separate top and bottom garments with the top long enough to tuck under the waistband of the bottoms The earliest t-shirt dates back to sometime between the 1898 Spanish-American War and 1913 when the US Navy began issuing them as undergarments These were a crew-necked short sleeve white cotton undershirt to be worn under your uniform Hmm. I went to the Spanish-American War and all I got was this t-shirt Remember the t-shirt Yeah, eventually people are like It's fine Pieces where's the trap door? Everybody's a little punchy today Our slack about stuff. Well, I mean you weren't going crazy, but you know No, you're absolutely right I had not even at that point and as soon as I did that I'm like I should eat something and I did There's certain times we're like, you know, when you're kind of like Your your you feel You know at the end of your rope or you know, whatever the term is you're like, you know I just need like I either need to eat or I need a nap Like a like a little kid. Yeah, exactly. It's just like I gotta like chill out and like refuel somehow I actually walked over to the local pizza joint and got a personal pizza. It was delicious All right, I'm going to the kitchen for a little one of Roger's little helpers Which is a I think this song is like about Valium or you know, or what's the um, what's the thing that? People used to take Qua quailudes. Yeah, so yeah, right? Yeah, quailudes were the precursor of Benzo I Benzo diazapines Which Valium is a member of I think that's right. Okay. Yeah, it's about ready. Yes Now for this drug talk All right, 10 seconds here we go I'm gonna hit this little button We will be on our way and three two one Thanks to everyone who supports daily tech news show directly to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the daily tech news for Wednesday, October 3rd at 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feelin. I'm Sarah Lane from Salt Lake City, Utah I'm Scott Johnson and from the outlands of the LA metro area. I'm the DTNS producer Roger Chang Thank You Roger Chang for joining us today and everyone Also another thanks to Rich Trafalino for keeping us up yesterday on the Microsoft announcement There was one more announcement. We didn't get to during the show yesterday We're gonna talk about that and a few of the the repercussions of that and some other Microsoft announcements a little bit later on But let's start with a few tech things you should know Facebook announces investigation show that third-party services that use Facebook for login don't appear to be affected by those copied Tokens Facebook revealed Friday that attackers were able to access login tokens for up to 50 million Facebook accounts That is many accounts. Plex is added web shows like as ASAP science household hacker and pet collective epic mealtime and more These are all cool shows. You can subscribe to the shows within the Plex app and it will alert you in new episodes arrive as well as track Older shows and suggest shows that match your interests Intra is a security app that is meant to get around government internet censorship and traffic manipulation and Was tested by alphabets company jigsaw with some Venezuelan Activists and has now been released worldwide for free in the play store Intra creates an encrypted connection between your phone and DNS servers making it harder for traffic to be intercepted by governments or any purveyor of malware etc All right, let's talk a little more about the end of a Wi-Fi era Scott. Oh, man This is a means you got to start buttern up on new routers Maybe soon the Wi-Fi Lance Alliance rather announced that the next version of Wi-Fi here to for known as 802 dot 11 a x will now be called Wi-Fi 6 802 802 point 11 a c will now be called Wi-Fi 5 and 802 dot 11 n Which is my router will be called Wi-Fi 4 the idea is to make it easier to tell which version of Wi-Fi is older I love this You know, and it's not I triple E isn't changing anything. It's still gonna be 802 11 a x when the for the forthcoming protocol If you're on that side of things, it's the Wi-Fi Alliance who's like for public consumption. Let's just make it simple Yeah, yeah, I mean the fact that that everything under the hood isn't changing. I I've gotten so used to this. It's like 802 dot 11 n. Okay. I know what that means But it it you know when you're like, well, how about we just call it Wi-Fi 4 and then they'll be Wi-Fi 5 and then Wi-Fi 6 and so on it's like. Oh, yeah, why didn't we do this years ago? There are some good reasons on the standard development side to have the naming protocol that it has 802 dot means something the 11 means something the series of going from n to a c to a x tells you something And it helps you keep track of things It's a horrible way to tell everyone else which Wi-Fi has actually been published We don't see 802 11 ad or a e or a f or a g all the way up to a x marketed So you don't need to have that level of specificity for the general public. So yeah, I like this too And and because it's the Wi-Fi Alliance working in cooperation with the I triple E It means we we also shouldn't get the kind of weirdness where somebody calls something 5g even though It's not really 5g. It's you know Verizon's own version of 5g, etc It it should be if it's 802 11 a x it's gonna be called Wi-Fi 6 I guess the thing that might happen is somebody doesn't have to use that they could put a x on the box instead of Wi-Fi 6 But that wouldn't help them any Google assistant got a redesign app redesign anyway to give more visual additions in response to voice commands For example offering a slider to better control dimming your lights that kind of stuff This is good on a phone, but it's also on smart displays JBL and Lenovo have already put put out their own Google powered smart displays And Google is rumored to be prepping its own to be revealed along with the pixel 3 The company is now offering developers the ability the ability to take payments from users directly through the assistant as well So yeah, and what we got next week is the big Google announcement on Tuesday the 9th So we might hear more about what this is going to be used for with that smart display announcement from Google then But you know, it's easy to poke fun at this I think to say like oh so your voice assistant isn't good enough You have to have displays to go with it But it makes sense if it's like dim the lights it'll dim the lights echo does the same thing, right? But it's nice to have that control there if you have it if you have a display Why not show it like oh, I wanted a little dimmer a little less dimmer and you can fine tune it if you want It's a good option. Yeah, I also think I think the future of this stuff is Displays across the board like right now. We're happy to have you know dots and minis and little devices everywhere That sort of have a limited scope of use, but I think there's a future not far off where the entire line has some kind of display you're already seeing that diversification in the echoes and So why not have controls and systems in place to handle some of that? It's intuitive and smart I don't see anything wrong with this and I'm now very anxious and excited to see whatever the heck that's gonna look like from them I want to see what their display version of the home is I Do love it when I say show tell me the weather and I can see it just yes You know sunshine clouds, you know some numbers so much faster than waiting when I'm in the bathroom where I don't have a display for the echo to go This morning it will be 74 this afternoon. There's a 20 and I'm just sitting there like okay get to the part that I really need to know Iron ox is opening its first fully autonomous indoor production farm with plans to start selling Produce from it soon the farm is growing romaine butterhead kale Basil cilantro and shives so they're all leafy greens of some sorts of herbs and some lettuce a cloud system Monitor sensors and tell robots what actions to perform Including transferring seedlings to newer boxes or perhaps saying hey It's time to harvest Angus a 1,000 pound robot that can lift and move the 800 pound hydroponic boxes The plants grow in is the thing that goes around and moves this stuff and it takes it to a robotic arm That can do things like You know Transfer the seedlings and all of that now humans still do Harvesting seeding and packaging they haven't quite got it even though they say it's fully autonomous There's a couple of times humans have to come in but the point is humans don't have to be there all the time the watering The general maintenance is all done autonomously and it can produce about 26,000 plants a year in about an acre of space Founders Brandon Alexander and John Benny wanted to do something practical with robots rather than the novelty acts that you often see Couple of side notes here one is they've decided to switch from LEDs to sunlight Which means they won't be able to do it inside of cities They'll need to be outside of cities where they could take advantage because the cost of even running LEDs is power efficient They are is still too much to make a profit Also, they're targeting farmers with this to say we want to get farmers to use this because we know There's a labor shortage in the agriculture industry and that's well covered elsewhere But it's hard to find enough manpower to do the things you need to do on a regular farm and this solves that problem so I'm gonna say a thing that you might hate and I'm just curious if this has big application for the burgeoning Growth of legal marijuana production. Oh, of course Scott just always the drugs with you Always straight to the drugs. Why would anyone hate that what other crop is there if you ask Scott Johnson? It's a bumper crop But if I was a guy running my own little hydroponics system, and I'm kind of doing my own little Shop or whatever this seems like a really great way Not all hydroponics hydroponics does not the same as It just means yeah, although I'm sure and we have a marijuana Farmer in the audience who's written us before I'm sure this this could be used for that It as well as everything else well and and think about it You know an acre of space is I know for a lot of people it's like wow That's like a really big yard, but you know I grew up on many many acres of space So one acre is it's it depending on the land that you have It's super doable and a lot of people have that and more think about being able to just have more of your own Personal farm that you might be able to you know you don't have to you know you're not tilling the soil and doing all that stuff because The robots are draining it for you But that whole kind of living off the land for a lot of people is like well you could do it But it takes a lot of work, but I I wonder how much This could kind of I don't know move into a personal space where where people are growing their own Jives and basil and kale and like solar cells you do it for your own benefit But then you could possibly make a little extra money off of what what is above and beyond what you need Yeah, I'm being told sorry. I'm getting some of the control room The next model will be called the snoop 4000 and we'll weigh only 420 pounds. Oh my There you go Amazon announced the fire tv stick 4k ladies and gentlemen that includes support for 4k dolby vision hdr hdr 10 Plus and dolby at most surround sound Also has a 1.7 gigahertz quad core processor the fastest processor on any fire tv device I guarantee it's faster than the original which was painfully slow The remote comes with an ir transmitter for control of sound bars rather and cable boxes and the like It's available for pre-order now ships october 31st. They have very end of this month for $50, which is pretty good Yeah, this is this is weird. This is weird to me that they they write right after a big amazon announcement avalanche Which granted they announced way too many things in a short amount of time So I guess I'm glad they didn't pour this on top of it But a couple of beats later. They're like oh and by the way our best 4k streamer is a stick It's not even the actual fire tv box that runs in 4k. I guess we can expect a fire tv box to be upgraded Or even the cube to be upgraded now the other thing this doesn't have is voice control, but They're selling the amazon fire Voice control remote that uses amazon voice services separately now for 30 bucks same time october 31st So you could get a fire tv stick for 50 bucks get the voice remote for 30 bucks and have basically all of the functions of The fire tv or fire tv cube in the stick Yeah, also great sound options and Stuff like this is this is a pretty I mean the specs are pretty modern. I'm just surprised stick Yeah, a little stick 50 bucks done Pretty good sarah. You want to add this to your your streaming collection of devices? Probably not but um, you know, I'm I'm sort of I'm thinking tom on what you mentioned Why didn't we get this as part of the huge amazon? bundle of news Maybe it's because the company thinks that this is I don't know Would have gotten lost otherwise It didn't fit direct because it's not voice activated maybe because you have to buy the remote separately Maybe that it didn't feel like it fit in the rest of those announcements, which were all about voice service control So that could be part of it too. I don't know But yeah, I'm also kind of still in the camp where when anyone says 4k I'm like, you know, like it's I I'm I'm yet to be excited about anything that is 4k capable Here's the thing you won't be until you get it Once you get it It's not going to make you that much more excited But you'll always want the 4k because you'll start to see the difference. It's the retina display, right where you're like Oh, okay. Yeah, I don't want to go back. It's not like hd versus 480 where you're like, whoa, that looks really good But once you actually like when I bought a tv the last time I bought a 4k tv Because if I wanted to buy the best tv I could get for my money, it was a 4k tv I'm like, all right, fine. I'll get a 4k tv. Why not now? I'm like, oh, I need to have the 4k version of that because I can tell the difference on that tv But again, the retina display is a perfect example. You really don't notice it if you don't have it. Yeah Kobo launched the 8 inch Kobo forma e-reader. It's ip x8 waterproof up to 2 meters. Anyway weighs 197 grams is 15% lighter than the Kobo or a 1 and it's kind of built for I don't know to to withstand some stuff the ink mobius display can handle being dropped from more than six feet As well as handle more bends and twists than previous model The former also adds tactile page turn buttons on the right hand side Pre-orders begin october 16th and the Kobo former comes two stores in canada the us the uk Italy the netherlands france japan and spain october 23rd followed by more countries in early 2019 Here's I I'm going to go 4k on this one, uh, which by the way nick with the c pointed out It's really the hdr not the 4k, but uh, that was my shorthand for hdr was saying 4k But that that aside, why do we need e-readers? I know there's plenty of people who love them But I actually do want to hear from you like Do either one of you use e-readers not no Tablet I prefer it over a tablet because it's easier on my eyes. So all right. I also like the battery life I like the durability in theory. Um, I don't know how well my kindle would take a nice fall, but Um, this sort of stuff's interesting to me because every time a new one comes out I think oh, you know, maybe a better format for me But I get really I've had two cataract surgeries early in life Which has left me with a lot of glare potential And readers in particular are really really good for that I can get through way more of a book than I can on a tablet or phone I could make do on a phone and I did on a recent trip last weekend And it was fine, but uh, I'm kind of that market. I think But I I have to think more people like him just for the form factor and also you just can't do anything else Like you're not going to get distracted by text Other stuff you're just reading and I kind of like that too So I don't know I kind of like him as a standalone device Yeah, I don't I've never had a kindle. Um, I I don't really use an iPad regularly anymore But I've never totally enjoyed reading anything too long form on an iPad and I strain might be part of it But I think Scott your point of just the fact that it's a computer that does all sorts of other things just Distracts me to the point where I'm not sitting there for hours reading anything of substance But but yeah, you know the the whole e-reader thing, especially if you're going out in the sun and there's that whole That there's that whole aspect of it That if it does one thing really well, it's like, well, you know, I also you know pack books in my luggage sometimes You only do one thing right with the book. So it's it's the same idea Don't get me wrong. I mean I had the original Kindle And and I even kept upgrading it for a couple of generations, but then I found myself just not using it Yeah, so I think it's just a matter of of taste and habits, right? Yeah Did you feel like you went more I know you listen to a lot of audiobooks as well Do you feel like that you serped it is it is is that your main reason or no? I mean audiobooks are about half of the books I read. I read a lot on the Kindle app I think it was the fact that I could read on the Kindle app Uh On bigger screens once the phone started to get bigger it felt like well, why do I need that? So the last device that I used Mostly for reading was the Nexus 7 the tablet. I liked that size But once the phone's got to be around six inches I was like, well really, you know, it's it's almost That's why my tablet use has waned because my phone is not Really big enough to read anything long for him for me But big enough so that I I'm reaching for the tablet less and less Yeah, the only other thing I would say about this is I I do think 280 or anywhere in that price range is too much for any reader and I do look forward to the day where they're more Utilitarian perhaps Amazon's closest to this but 50 60 70 bucks Should be the max you ever want to spend for something like this to 80s In my glad that Kobo Is still in there giving Amazon some competition good for you Folks if you want to get all tech headlines in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headline dot com all right To recap from yesterday microsoft announced the 28 inch touchscreen surface studio 2 that starts at $999 available November 15th the microsoft surface pro 6 starts at $899 also available october 16th The surface laptop 2 starts at $999 available for pre-order now shipping october 16th and along with the new hardware microsoft announced microsoft Surface all access that lets you buy any of these devices for a monthly fee over a two-year period And they throw in access to office 365 for no additional charge in-store training and top tier support But the one thing that got announced after we were done recording yesterday that I think is most significant Maybe of all the announcements is the surface headphones the over the air headphones have cortana built in Have 13 levels of noise canceling that you adjust by rotating a ring on the left ear Music pauses when you take them off resumes when you put them back on And a touch area on the air cups can control playback. This is bluetooth 4.2 not 5.0 charges over usb-c And battery life is supposed to be around 15 hours coming to the us this autumn for $350 and it feels like this is the busiest thing out there because A couple stories i read it sort of made the argument that Headphones are the differentiator for your ecosystem now phones are so commoditized That if you want to get me in your ecosystem Give me the voice assistant on the headphones hence pixel buds with google assistant air pods with syrie and now The surface headphones with cortana built in Yeah, i'm it's an interesting market right we were talking in slack earlier about uh This this move back and it's been going on for a while So I don't want to make this sound like there's some sudden trend of movement But this move away from the 2000s. We're all about let's get smaller. Let's get tinier. Let's get in your ears Let's go wireless like those are still options out there the air pods are a pretty big success for apple And there are certainly other competing types of smaller Uh wearable sound gear, but uh, you know getting big old cans on your head is back in That's been pushed by many companies. We have a The main headquarters and founding members of the the folks who create skull candy are right here in the In the valley and they seem to be doing great just got a brand new facility there. It's beautiful and uh out of control I assume they're making money hand over fist and uh, you know apple does well with beats now that they've acquired them And beats was doing great before that like this is clearly a market for a whole bunch of people I feel like i'm entering this new phase of I don't understand the hype because all I want is something tiny I can keep in a bag and not be bulky and I have to wear around my neck all day I just want to be able to stick him in and take him out so I don't know where we all stand on that but it's it's uh, it's a market that eludes me a little bit So I feel like i'm not the you know the best person to talk about whether these new micro Microsoft ones are awesome or not Well, I think that we were talking earlier about Oh, we got a big echo from you sarah. Yes. I'm hearing that as well. Now. I don't now. You're good Okay, good, uh, we were talking earlier And I think I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that it's almost like wearing a hat, right? It's on your body, you know, it's almost a piece of clothing a lot to different colors So there is a bit of a style aspect of it that goes beyond Maybe and like oh, I've got a macbook, right? Because I'm not kind of carrying that on my person all the time You don't wear the back on your head. Yeah, I don't wear the macbook on my head But you know or strap it to my body but even a phone too. I like usually it's in a purse or you know That sort of thing. So it's like, you know, you kind of choose what you want and that this is very front and center So as much as I'd like to say that audio is very important to me. I want headphones that are comfortable I want the audio to sound good Um, but I probably wouldn't wear my sony headphones like out in public Even though they're very comfortable and the sound is really nice because I don't know. It's just a little weird So I I'm kind of with you Scott where I I do scratch my head a little bit at How much it seems to matter to folks? I I do think that while there are audio files who know the difference for the most parts people Are probably choosing headphones because of status more than audio. Yeah, I think there's a fashion thing at play I was on a a flight to and from Ohio over the weekend went to columbus and that plane Was just something I noticed but that plane seemed to be filled with two specific demographics when it came to Earwear and it seemed like there were a lot of people over the age of 30 That are wearing little tight earbuds wireless with bluetooth or you know wired but small And it seemed like everybody. I mean, this is a very bad study, right? I like I didn't really do a headcount But it's not a typically selected sample, but right But a lot of like kids are on this flight and by kids. I mean, you know 16 to 25 in that range And by and large they're wearing big cans on their head beats mostly is what I noticed And a lot of them like sort of around their necks using them on the tv screens on the on the backs of the seats that sort of stuff And I really do think there is a a a pushback toward Having that stuff for some sort of status symbol. I think it's like glasses There's a while there where you're like those are goofy looking and we probably thought that way about big heavy cans on your head And we've just switched back now people like big goofy glasses and they like big Cans on their head. It also happens to be that a lot of times they have incredible sound in those things You can get a more dynamic range better noise cancelling Like the the the largeness has benefits. So So I love the 13 levels of noise cancelling like 13. Okay, I mean 13 I will add like I'm actually one of those. I have the same set of headphones that uh Sarah has and I've worn them on you know international flights because they actually do a pretty good job of blocking Because I have I I have modified foam pads on them and they do a really good job Blocking out the noise. I have a pair of those too. Yeah in the subway like when I when yeah, I have a giant You know telephone cord hanging off the the left the left side Uh, but it did a really good job I also have the edymotics that go into the ear the ear canal ones that block out all sorts of sound very uncomfortable Things to wear even though they sound great and they block out noise with big Funky cans over my ears. It's actually very simple just to pop them off Especially now because they're not corded. They don't pull on you when you're moving your head And they're relatively light compared to ones even 15 years ago I think the difference is whether you care about sound quality and or uh the the uh the status of being seen Versus practicality because the most practical headphones are are little ones air airpods Particularly like stick them in your pocket. No problem, right? Uh, it it's easy to pull them out almost too easy Some people might say because you could you could fall out and get lost but they work fine for me But they don't sound as good. They don't have the noise cancelling. Uh, and they certainly aren't a fashion statement I used to be embarrassed to wear mine around although I see enough people with them these days that I feel like Okay, it's probably normalized. I wasn't a great look embarrassing Just because they're like, oh, wait, he's got those weird white things hanging out of his ear. What are those? They don't even have a cord. I'm wondering if there's a certain like edm dj Aesthetic to it where you look. Hey, you know what? I might possibly be making your next dance track Right for bees or whatever next time you fly out for the summer No, that often will set a style like that that makes sense Yeah, no, you're if your favorite dj if you you know the dead mouse is up there with one can on his ear and the other one Kind of propped up. That's cool, man. That's super cool. So absolutely. I mean, we're not I don't think any of us are real Trendmakers here, but I think that Sorry, Roger, I haven't given you enough credit lately. You are pastemakers all of us Yeah, yeah, I mean dead mice all of us. Yeah I will I will say just you know, just because we're on the subject air pods. I don't have a pair Because tom you actually told me if the regular iphone earbuds don't fit your ears that well But the Wireless will not and and they don't I just have weirdly shaped ears. However, so it's fine I'm just not gonna have them. It's you know, I'll live But when I see people wearing them It fills me with anxiety because I'm like, is it gonna fall? Every time I'm like, are you okay, you know, make sure you walk behind them with your hands out to catch them for Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like somebody like not watching their kid enough. We were like That can't be safe I get that I've got I've got uh, you know, they fit me really well So I haven't really quite like those but there's also other issues with them I just think it's funny that we all thought the future was let's get smaller And I think a generation of consumers or maybe saying not so fast. Maybe we like The little retro look maybe we wanted to you know Be a little bit more closing out the world and have it be obvious that I'm trying to sort of close you out And I don't mean that in a negative way. So Um, I think I'm 100 cool with it. Microsoft must see a market here Even though it feels really saturated to me. There are tons of competition in the space Um, but I guess we'll see how they do Real quickly before we move on microsoft not putting usb-c in the Surface pro 6 or the laptop 2 got a lot of attention and I think the verge nailed it nick stat Said it's reasonable to assume microsoft felt like it could not or didn't need to completely revamp the underlying manufacturing and industrial design process for the pro 6 and laptop 2 Just to bring the ports up to speed So my guess is he's right. They didn't want to redo the internals this time around They'll probably redo it next time then we get usb-c Yeah, and by the way excited about this or the uh studio 2 and I will uh Do a review or not a review but a kind of a preview of everything I can think of for an upcoming dts arts lab. So watch for that Also watch for other people in our subreddit because they've got great stories that you can vote on and you can also Submit your own uh daily tech news show dot reddit.com also on facebook want to hang out on facebook do so facebook.com Slash groups slash daily tech news show. Let's check out the mailbag Okay, so we were talking about california net neutrality yesterday and eric had had had some really great feedback and said I applaud california for passing this law eric says. I hope it stands I've become convinced though that making it easier and more possible for local cities to provide internet service is ultimately the long-term answer I'm fortunate enough to live in a small town in ohio that does provide internet service It's cheap fast reliable and the very definition of a dumb pipe My town has no motivation or reason to limit or block any particular website or type of traffic Everyone else I talk to that doesn't live in my town pays more for a slower connection First I couldn't figure out why every town doesn't do this then I started hearing about the legal nonsense That has been done to block it normally I have the viewpoint that the less government has their hands in things the better And I wouldn't want the national government or the state government to control my internet But for my experience having the local town provide internet service is a wonderful answer My town isn't wealthy or big so if they can do it I'm sure any town could do it if the obstacles were taken out of the way Yeah, uh community community, uh internet municipal internet, uh is certainly one thing that if allowed more places Which honestly it is in most places allowed. Uh, it's just been outlawed in a few states though Probably could provide uh depending on the community a a reasonable solution to this for sure Thanks for the feedback eric and also thanks to scott johnson for being on the show with us today scott How's it hanging? Well real good real good Lots lots happening. 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Get more at frogpants.com Time and club hopes you have enjoyed this bro I Did I ever Yes, diamond club. We did enjoy this program. Thank you. Thank you for thinking of us You're the best you really are simply Simply the best Tina turner Better Who does that? I think it's team turner Yeah Thank you right turner. I only know it from food commercials actually somebody was I that maybe it was this show. I never know who I'm talking to anymore. Somebody mentioned private dancer uh another Tina Turner song and I was explaining that I'm like I I didn't realize what the song was about when I was a little kid So I was like, oh you go to like there's like a certain club Where like you go and like slow dance, you know For money because you love me Yeah, because you're so good at dancing. Well, like someone's good at it and like you want to pay them to you know Yeah, private dancer. Sure. Well, and I think it probably had something to do with the amateur dancers I need a professional private dancer I think it was like the this is I think I thought that this is like early MTV days, right? And I think the video is kind of that It's not a little bit old dancers. This shows people dancing, right? But and and it's and it's slow dancing, you know Well, it's like it's like what where are all these clubs where people are doing this Well, it's like what's that Olivia Newton john song? Let's get physical and then the video is just showing everyone Exercise. Yeah, she's going to exercise. Yeah. No, exactly. That's what the song is about roger I actually Until right the second thought that it was about exercise. It is Sarah Oh, I don't know what roger's trying to get doesn't compare at all to private dancer Not at all I don't know what you're trying to say roger Just like make a move on me is about chess Yeah, exactly Right. Yeah, some moves are better than others Come on make a move where it's a way to die there Just gave us going very long Um, so I have a little bit of news. Oh, do you? Yeah, I'm not having a baby or anything You heard that it's got gasp, didn't you that's what you probably did hear my gasp Here's the thing when you're done Don't let me forget to tell you the dream I had about you and your dog in a car. Go ahead Okay, uh, I was in my car with my dog yesterday. So you're maybe you're um Predict in the future. Anyway, I think I'm getting a new apartment I know it's crazy. It's like it's not imitating me, sarah Well, I want to just do whatever get a dog get a new place Yeah, like if roger and tom do it, I have to do it too, you know, I'm like steal your But you do have a house Yeah, I don't buy I'm not buying a house. I'm not I'm not made of money, but um But I I on a whim I went to a totally different neighborhood than where I live now. Um, last night Just to look at something that was Quite a bit less expensive. I mean, it's you know, but The cost that uh, the savings is is, um Not negligible And I really liked it. Oh nice and he told me it was mine Nice Like if you want out of jars, that's like out of a movie Is it it can is it in a convenient location to get? Yeah, it's it's it's So my apartment right now So the deal is like, you know, I'm always talking about, you know, I live at the beach and you know, it's beautiful And the whole thing it's a big apartment for me. Um, and I'm constantly sort of feeling like You know, I kind of like put some in the corner, you know, it's like I've I've Spent all this time kind of filling it up and it seems a little silly. I'd like I really want to get rid of some stuff and kind of condense And uh, and also the idea of saving money is great and um Yeah, I he um, it was um Originally, uh, he said well just come to the show in on saturday There's like a million other people that are gonna be there and I'm gonna be out of town So I was like, is there any way I could see it earlier? So that's why I went last night and I once I got in there. I was like, I like this There's a yard for my dog. Oh nice. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's that's a big part of it. Yeah It's like a house rather than, you know, the apartment It's an actual house pass or is it actually rentaling renting a house? It's it's a duplex So I mean it wouldn't be like my whole house, but yeah, it's a house. Yeah, that's great. That's great Yeah, I know and like a really cool neighborhood and um I I don't know. It's just kind of felt right Nice Yeah, I mean it won't change the you know, whatever I end up. They're still in office space. So I'll have my little office area But um, yeah, I was like one of those serendipitous nights where you're like Serendipitous, mm-hmm. Yep. Um, yeah, you're like, I'm glad I you know, something told me I needed to like do this My mom is gonna text me in like five seconds because she hasn't heard because you had told her yet. Oh, sorry mom I called you earlier. You weren't home Ear wars No, that's the name of the verge article. We can't rip that off. Yeah, well Beer wars. No I like cloud farms. How about good set of cans? That won't be misinterpreted in any I'm almost tempted Dude, I had a dime for every time I said words that had another meaning. I didn't think about it till later. I'd be rich A head full of cans head full of cans Can your head um Yeah, any any time I am talking about disembarking Or perhaps the phrase get And then followed by the word off Is involved. I'm I'm not careful enough. Yeah, I do this all the time You need to get off the train here. It's perfectly fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But if you start, right? Yeah Yeah, oh, how about microsoft's canned response? No It's a little negative though, and I'm not sure we're negative about the actual headphones. Are we we're not we're not I'm bullish on them I like cloud farms if we don't like anything else Hey cloud farms it is. All right, I'm gonna become a cloud farmer when I retire Yeah, you are I got you mean clod farmer. I'm gonna have four acres and robots doing everything Be awesome I had I grew up on an acre I know exactly what an acre is because that was our our lot the size of the lot our house was on was an acre Yeah, there was a time I mean just because I grew up in the country where it was like Oh, you'll never have an acre. Oh, okay. Yeah, you know That's totally The people in town thought we had a really big yard all my farmer friends were like, oh, you only have an acre, huh? Yeah I mean now an acre to me is like, I mean That is a whole town, you know, I remember when I was The central valley like out in the outskirts like oakdale and stuff having two acres for your home wasn't weird because you're Acre and a acre and a half was used for your horses or whatever else you had running in the back Lots of space we're all farm kids except for scott city boy Yeah That's true we I mean I we lived in Part of when I grew up we lived in a place that was you know, everybody had an acre was all spread out But nobody was farming anything it was just like too much land So you're you're actually the same as me. I was I was not farming anything. We had a big old garden in the backyard Yeah, we did that too. We did too. My mom was quite the gardener. I mean it was It was normal It's like, well, do you want corn for dinner? We'll just go get the corn from the garden, you know Or raspberries or tomatoes or you know, all sorts of stuff And rhubarb and strawberries. You want some fish? Here's the here's the rod and reel. Go get it We did have we did have crawdads Really? Yeah, those seem to be as crawfish crayfish same thing What it did you have a pond or no, it was just uh, it was like a dry creek So half the year it was wet Ran through our backyard and and and when it was wet the crawdads had come and the cats had catch them and leave the claws on the back porch Wow Creek runs through it A river runs through it. I love our cat our cats would catch gophers and bring them to the Front door and then we'd all scream and be like gatter and then they'd be like all upset and then they'd eat the gophers and then You know what happens after that? There's a feral cat the neighborhood here and uh I'm not sure if it the feral cat is is paying respect or warning by leaving the dead bird No, that's it. That's a sign of respect. They're welcoming you. It's like usually, but I'm like really but we have two dogs like Oh Right Maybe the cat is trying to impress the dogs. Oh be like, hey We're cool. Yeah, like look at look at look at what I can do I mean, is that us is that really what it is? It's a sign of respect paying paying tribute Yeah, when I when our growing up would leave the claws on the back porch That was sort of like we're giving you the best part of the crawdad. You know right? Yeah part that our teeth can't crush Yeah, well, you know trying to impress you. Yeah Or like when I you always hear the story of cat owners With a with waking up to find a mouse on their pillow because the cat caught a mouse and left it for them Yeah, that's that's a thing. I've been there Not my cats now, but yeah lots of uh lots of dead rodents Or mostly dead rodents, which is always worse See the fixer is is where part of my head is he's like the cat's leaving you a message Like a severed horse head in your bed. I'm like is this a message to the dogs like Might be Yeah, keep it up and you'll be like this bird here dogs of the leash in this cul-de-sac You're new here dogs. I've been here a while This tree is mine Well, because when we first saw the place we kept seeing that cat in the backyard And of course the dogs are in the backyard now. So the cat doesn't go anywhere near the backyard Is it pretty is that a pretty big cat or just standard huts? Yeah, standard black cat I remember seeing a feral cat, but it seemed to maybe 50 percent larger than like your standard house I think that's just because you were afraid of Because it's so closing because I was ripping the head off a bird in front of you I do not this I do not do this to scare you This is my tribute to you Roger take the body the head is mine Oh Well, you know they say feral cats are responsible for the decline in songbirds around the world Yeah, well because they got to eat we got to eat they got to eat all the animals that The tpb short supply I've met three of my neighbors now two of them have mentioned the feral cats in negative tones Yeah, like attacks them or it's just a nuisance Well, I'm not gonna attack you that more like they're like spraying and they're a nuisance. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah If anything they'll run from you in San Francisco, there was a feral cat But I didn't really care because it was fought the raccoons just the one in all of san francisco Just the one Yeah, but it fought raccoons and attacked the squirrels. Well, just and on this week in science is often railing against the feral cats And they're over. Yeah, they're bad for the ecology. Yeah Well, um Span new to your pets everybody. Yep. I agree You know, it's kind of if you like me have a pet fish Or that yeah, don't deposit them in large bodies of water I once lived in an apartment with a bunch of roommates This is a long time ago before I knew any of you and For whatever reason the landlord just had a huge fish tank like built into the wall Oh, wow, it was it was really cool. Like it was like wow, you know like impressive and None of us like even took care of the fish tank He would come over and like clean it and you know do all the ph whatever you do with fish tanks You know and fish would die every once in a while and you know, then there'd be a new fish and It was weird. It was just a weird part of this apartment, but um It was I I became very attached to that fish tank, you know, it's like it's a it's a cool It's it's like a screensaver, but way alive. Yeah. Yeah He probably thought it was a it was a cool attraction that would make people want to live there and you probably had them happy He told me the story at some point, but I mean it was a big fish tank Didn't we're open in the aquarium or like, you know He was not Was he a seaworld kid Was he part of the aquaman? Did you run apartment from aquaman? I don't I mean, I'm not even sure that he Put the maybe the tank was there when he bought the house. I don't really know But it became something that was It was probably fun for him What if the fish and he was like, you know now I think of it I'm like, why was our landlord always in the house like Working on the fish tank like that's a little weird But at the time like the rest of us were like, well, I don't know Screams from the basement this robotic fish has died. I must replace it Yeah Or all those half fish half human people I would see hanging Yeah That was reportedly the colony of seabirds this past And why are we interrupting this conversation to say goodbye to the video people when there's more to come for the audio people Yeah, that's how the cookie crumbles So the logic Don't don't fight it. Just I'll be Tarantino