 To me though, what's most exciting about our universe and also philosophically and emotionally and spiritually most empowering and interesting about it is that through us, our universe has actually become aware of itself. For the first part of the 13.8 billion years since our Big Bang, there was no one home. Our universe is doing all this cool stuff. Potentially no one home. Well, in the earliest moments right after Big Bang, when it was just a plasma, expanding plasma blob much hotter than the core of the sun, I'm pretty sure there was no consciousness in there. But life could be around as early as just a couple billion years ago in other locations. Oh, much earlier than that. Yes. It's quite possible. But very early on, I think it's very likely that it was just very way too inhospitable for any kind of consciousness. And then gradually, it went from being very simple and boring to being more and more complex and first self-aware entities appeared. That's in a sense our universe waking up and becoming aware of itself, right? We know what happened here on this planet. Maybe it's happened elsewhere. Maybe not yet. We can come back to that. Towards complexity. Yes. In any case, I think that's the most important thing that's happened so far because if you look at all these laws of physics, they don't say anything about beauty, meaning or purpose. Beauty, meaning and purpose are all things which can only exist when there is experience because those are in some sense experiences, right? We can only have suffering or joy or pleasure, which are experiences when there is experience, right? So, if we go extinct and all life somehow in our universe goes extinct, get destroyed by a death bubble or some dumb technological mishap we build, our universe would go back to being meaningless. And before it woke up, it was also meaningless in this sense, in this very literal sense. There was no meaning because meaning is something you experience. So this is, I think, the most beautiful thing that's happened so far. This universe gradually got so complex that it woke up. And one of the most striking things I think we've learned through science is that not only has a universe woken up now, but it has the potential to wake up much more than has yet. I was taking a little power nap before this interview and when I first woke up, I just woke up like a little bit and then it became more and more conscious, right? You went through this same procedure this morning. I feel our universe is like that too. We are having very interesting experiences with humans, but it's clear our universe can wake up more. You look around on the telescope and it's clear that the vast majority of space is not as alive as it could be. Some people who listen to this maybe think we live in a, are convinced we live in a Star Trek kind of cosmos where there's all of those cool things going on all over the place and they're just hiding from us. There's not any really scientific evidence for it yet. Maybe there is other life really, really far away. The Zoo hypothesis, there's interesting ones. I think it's much more likely that our universe has much more potential in the future. I think one of the most inspiring things for me personally to think about is what can I do to help our universe wake up more and more? Imagine if it turned out that we discovered that the only life on all of earth was on Rhode Island. There was nothing outside of Rhode Island. No plants, no animals, no nothing. We might even feel then that we have a moral responsibility to help life spread to the rest of the planet so it can wake up more so there can be more joy. More joy, yeah. Interesting. More experiences. More experiences. Of across all different styles of experience. Exactly. Yeah. The opposite thing we could do is. More ideas. Yes. More activity. Yes. Yeah. Exactly. And the opposite thing we could do is set off some gigantic hydrogen bomb explosions and kill it all life on Rhode Island too. That would feel like a kind of bad idea. Which is a lot of what you do with existential risk mitigation. But if that's bad then clearly the opposite is a good thing to help life spread. Spread. Yes. And if you look out into the cosmos that's exactly what it is except much more extreme than going from Rhode Island to Earth. Going from Earth to help life spread throughout our Milky Way galaxy and hundreds of billions of other galaxies. It's a good analogy. Would be dramatically more positive I think than just going from Rhode Island to Earth. Yes. And I think most people lose sight of just how much opportunity there is for the future.