 Yeah, but then you're going to see that behind. Good video. All right. And in terms of vision, just pin her away. Yeah. Just, I don't think it's recording that. Oh, Oh, that's a recording. Pause. Stop it up in the left, up or left down there. Welcome to the regular meeting, October 23, 2023 of the board of directors of community television Santa Cruz County. I call it to order and have the acting deputy secretary called Roy. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Elizabeth Shaw. She here by zoom. Not by zoom. Not yet. We do expect her there. Okay. Not out front. Yeah. All right. Next, please. All communications. Any person may address the board during its oral communications period. All communications must be directed to an item, not listed on today's. Consent or regular agenda. And it must be within jurisdiction of the board. Oral communications being done. Consideration of late additions to the agenda, addition and the leachings to the consent and regular agenda. meeting agenda, the days meeting approved board meeting minutes of September 25, 2023, and accept the August and September financial reports, any comments and questions on any of those. I have no questions about financial. We have a motion on the floor to move approval. Second. Director manheim second by director hall. All in favor. I. And. The move. Regular agenda. Our executive directors report. Okay. My report is short because I wasn't here most of September, but I've got a lot of things to go on without me. So I'll report on. We did really well in September, the coworking center earned 11,900 and accept number of dollars so almost. Very exciting. And satellite is ahead of its projected revenue goal by 34%. So, we've rented an office in the new area and have two new members this month. So we're moving along moving along. We have a new client meetings we did 15 in September, and a paid productions we have a new client we thanks to matriah who convinced the resource center for non violence that they should have their own equipment and work with us to get it. And they did. And now they have so many events they can't handle them all. So they're going to hire us to run the equipment. So we'll be that's a good brand new nice new contact for us, and that will help us fill in that paid production slot on our budget. Excellent. So we're happy and not only that but all the ones that can that can be cleared will be on our air as well. So we'll get a lot of nice interesting content that will be good for the community. So we're really excited just like a double. It's just like a triple. It's just like a triple excitement because you get three good things like this. And when you say clear, it refers to legally copyright. Yeah, some authors might speak about a book and they don't want, you know, they don't want to be on TV or some people do not want to be on TV. So, as long as it's, as long as they sign a release, then we'll, we'll put it on TV. So we have to buy by their wishes. Some people are happy to be in person that don't really need that. And when they both signed, we'll do that on facilities and equipment. We're doing a bunch of stuff to the building. I mean, we've been doing stuff. It's time you've been here for about seven years. So it's time for us to do some improvements and we will be replacing the carpet in the offices we never did. So it was pretty bad in some areas. So as people empty those offices, when people leave, we're replacing the carpet. So we're about to replace the carpet in office eight. And we're going to replace some of the tiles. The reason we got carpet tiles and so we can just replace the high traffic area. So we'll be doing that too. We'll do it on weekends. We don't want other people, but we're in the process of that. We're working with our original carpet company and we'll get that done. They're trying to find it. We have some, we have extra tiles. We thought them in the beginning, but we only have enough for 48 square feet. So we need more. So they're working on getting more of that carpet. And we're also working on the sign. The sign's kind of a deal. It's really hard to find a good sign company. And finally, I found one. There's a company in town that replaces just every year, at least one, one time a year, someone smashes the plexiglass cover on our sign. And so we have to have that replaced and we've been real hard to do. I finally found a place that can do it. And I talked to them about just remodeling the whole sign. If we change it at all. The one thing about it is it's bigger than it sticks out on the sidewalk and into the parking lot, which is probably wouldn't be permitted again. So we're looking at ways to either rebuild it where it stands, or come up with something that's not breakable. So they're coming up with a few ideas for us for electric sign and then maybe for a solid painted sign and or a card sign. There's a lot of ideas they have so we'll entertain those ideas, and then we'll get the sign repaired. And also, they're going to create a sign for the front of building for CTV currently still says our motto. So the landlord said, go ahead and take that down. So we'll take that down and have that replaced now probably because but that's easy to do the sign on the streets a little harder. Well, the sign on the street, get a new graphic. Yeah, the whole everything will be. Yeah, we'll have a new. We'll have a new satellite logo, and the original sign they demanded that one of the things in our contract with satellite is that their logo has to be reflected as they wish it to be. And they wanted it to be great letters. And now that just looks faded. And now they realize that. So we won't be doing that again, but that's one of the things that makes the signal gold is that the letters are correct. And that that then they have a new logo that's better their logo before had this big arc and a thing at the top, which made it hard to fit in a square and there was all this empty space. So they've repaired that now they're not repaired, but they remodeled. Yeah, it's a better design now. So we'll have a nice sign in the end, but it's going to be a little while, I think. But they're working on ideas now. So next month I should have something to show you. We're using Northwest signs. They have been really good about repairing our sign over and over again. And now I asked them if they could do a new sign. They said, well, that's what we do for business. So we'll get some input from them. And I'm excited to work with them. They're really nice guys. So quickly, would it be possible to elevate it more or are there the restrictions? Probably not. That round it'll suddenly shrink and be out of be less. And it'll take months. It'll be a big permit thing. And that'll be kind of a nightmare. I think I assume I hear tell. It was harder to reach it might be, you know, Yeah, harder for people to break. Well, now we've made it unbreakable. I mean, there's a piece of there's some kind of super plastic in there now that cannot be broken. But, but the edges are coming apart. I mean, it's just an old sign. So we need to do some work on it. I remember on our journey story and tell. They can climb. Yeah, how high it is. So we're working on the front wall working on the sign, we're going on the carpet. We're in, we're in repair mode. We had to studio productions from members in the studio last month was as good. And we did a Keith Matilda did Keith Matilda Keith and my tray I did a professional live stream event. And so, I mean, as professionals, or professionals, it wasn't member produced. So, that was a big hit, I understand. And that's a good thing. So that was a nice thing to, to hold in the studio. And we like the studio to be so good for you guys. Thanks for doing that. And we did one of the things I have on your content partnerships. And that's one of the only things I really worked on last month. And one of my idea is, one of the things we can do and this is probably for us to teach a plan but is to be able to cover things in the community that are going on which you know, we can't do because we don't have that kind of staff but if we can contact the people who are covering it and get them to give us their stuff like if it's a zoom thing they record it and that sort of thing so the whole there was a homeless. It was called it was called the homeless response action plan update so they were, they did a big town hall where they announced what they were doing and what had happened and all of that. So I contacted the city and asked if, if they recorded it could be at the recording and so they did and they gave us the recording. So that's on the air. So that kind of thing if we can keep up with it and if you guys hear stuff happening please let me know, we can reach out and make deals and arrangements and partnerships where we can have people sending us their things all the time. And yes, Joe. Yeah, the city does have now a professional public information officer so will she contact them. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'll send you her link and she could send you. Yeah, different items. Yeah, yeah. And we got representative penetta did a thing in Capitola about the storms, and that was really good information. And I had wanted to do something on that and then he did it so that was great. So we were able to get his and we sent someone who actually went there and ordered that. But because he couldn't he didn't have to wear with all. Nice. Yeah. I don't know if you could put me in a caliber representative penetta but sure. So, but we got that and that was really good information for the community so we can make partnerships like that we could get a lot of really good information that we don't have to produce. We can just be the conduit to the community. So that's my goal for this year. That's one of them. Anyway, and that that's my another thing that we are entertaining. I just want to give you the heads up we may not be able to do it. So, but the cable cast equipment that we have has just announced that they may be able to caption things and they can caption things in Spanish. So what we're thinking that we might be able to do is do the government meetings, a separate, maybe a second replay in Spanish, or at least have Spanish captions. So translation. Yeah, second language. So we can. And, you know, there's a lot of technical things and it depends on if it works with NCOE and so Victor and I and Olivia are working on the captioning trying to understand. There are a lot of federal regulations which we hire outside people to help us comply with so we can give the government compliance. Yes, because we make sure that they don't get in trouble. And we want to make sure that this captioning system would meet all of those regulations. But if it does, it would be, I don't think it would cost us anything extra to do. And it would be just a value added to the community. And once we figure that out, maybe we can figure out a stream for everything. Do we have the capability of using like closed captioning to show where you can choose either Spanish or English. Do you have a dual captioning? I don't know. We're still investigating it. I think so. I think it's on your remote, usually. Because if, if we have the ability to put two sort of two different captioning streams and let people select, then you don't have to juggle play times that just people can self select. Well, what we're thinking we might have to juggle play times because we might have to do it in a second pass. I don't know if we can do languages, two languages at once. I might have to be a second round. And if we have to, the captioning might be a second round. We don't know yet. That's just what we're investigating. I just want to let you know we're thinking about it. And if you have any thoughts, I'd love to hear them. That's a great idea. That's my thought. It would be a good thing to do and we'll see how much we can do. We can do everything. We don't know. We can try and it may not be perfected captions, but it will be that but there'll be, there'll be more information. Definitely. So that's just in the, that's in the works and I'll keep you posted. Any comments, questions, additional comments, questions. Great. Thank you very much. Good report. For a short month. All right. Okay. Now we have some very big to look at review updates to community television board policies board expectations and public access rules and procedures documents. It was brought to my attention that perhaps it should be approved these updates. I think we will just review them now and there may be some questions and comments. We'll edit and then come back next week or next month rather for approval of a final version. That's all right folks. I'll start with you. Do you have a question I thought we're doing financial policies and there are two other documents as well. Yeah, so. Yes. Okay, okay. Yeah, so we have board policies board expectations. Public access rules and procedures documents. So these are documents that we've had for a while. They've been updated there's been working on them and the versions that we have should show track changes. And I know that there are a couple so let's take board policies first. And are there questions. So I'm not sure this is fine. So, on the expectation of board members. We have the conflict of the interest. And so it's not so much that if you give me a page number so maybe it's, I've got it. I don't think we've done it every year. So we need to do this every year. The conflict of interest. Okay, and what is that. Well, there are all sorts of different things. If you're covered by the state they have a whole big system you do it online if you're covered by your own self which this would be you fill out whatever form you have here. And I remember filling it out ages ago. It should be, it should be in the bylaws. This financial case, case in the bylaws. And so what I do a case with is I just print it out. And then everybody signed it. Okay. So, I mean, we just have to be aware that we are reddit. And that's, you know, We don't have any interest. But I just wanted to online. Doc your sign. I don't know how somebody wants to do it. I can send it to me. I can send it out to everybody. It's in the bylaws. It should be in the bylaws. We need to sign it in PDF at the back. Okay. So the other things I have is that it says in some of them, you know, last revised or something like that. And the financial policies procedures. We're not there yet. We're just doing board. Okay. Yeah. So we're doing board. Number two on the same page, expectation board numbers. I mean, it seems like that being a member standing up. I think I. I don't know. I haven't seen a renewal. I've been a member, but that seems to go back to when. When the board was elected by, you know, from the membership. I don't think that would apply. And it also, I mean, I, you know, I don't, I'm probably not a member in good standing because I haven't, I haven't paid since in 10 years. There are dues to be all supposed to pay to be members. No, I'm not very good at standing either. No. There's a free member policy now. All you have to do is sign it. You agree to our respect. Okay. That's all you have to do. But even that, I'm just saying that's sort of, I, I hasn't even been on my radar that I needed to do that. So that was one of the questions I had as well. Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, I guess it was free membership. I don't know. It doesn't seem like it really applies to the current. When you sell them as a member, it's on the website. Right. I don't, I'm not opposed. I've been a member. I've been a member for a long time. Yeah, just sign up, you know, and that's it. That's a free membership. What's the next orientation? It's all right. So it's, what are people's. What's your pleasures continue to have it be a member of good standing, given the. The fact that you just sort of declare yourself a member and it's a free. You know, the other part of a good member of good standing is that we haven't done anything to antagonize anybody. You know, we haven't been punished by the. But some of this all came from a different time of the board. Yeah, behavior. Yeah. Oh yeah, we had boards. Remember when we started to get on board, at least you. Gosh, that board is awful. Well, I was trying not to say anything. Other comments. I have several things about starting with the agenda packet preparation. I think. In the second paragraph, we've changed it. To. Basically that where it says two weeks prior to the board meeting today, it should be 10 days. So the sentence reads agenda issue and written materials in the individuals and organizations other than the CTV staff must be submitted to the chair of the board in final form. One week prior to the packet distribution day, the packet distribution day is 72 hours. So it's not two weeks. It's 10 days. Just for 30. So that should be changed. We took out two weeks. You did elsewhere. Yeah. But, but there it still says. It parenthetical, right? Two weeks prior to the board. Third line of the second paragraph. Yeah, it says two weeks and it should be 10 days. So that's the first thing. Next one. I read the open access to public meetings. And I don't have a clue what activities declared in advance to be public refers to. Can anybody tell me. I read this over and over. And I mean, I literally, it didn't make any sense. Isn't everything public unless we. This is it. Open access to public meetings. I just, it was a baffling. The whole thing was baffling to me. It's policy for open access to public meeting. Consistent with the mission statement, as well as the organization's rules and procedures supports. The board of directors supports and promotes fully complete open access to productions. Events and activities declared in advance to be public. The title is wrong. Well, I don't even know why. What are we. Declaring is public. No, I think, I think T. The title is incorrect. Open access to public meetings. It is access. Open access to public events. To the public. You know, it has to do with productions, events and activities. This is about discrimination. Anything that we announced is open to the public. We can't discriminate against anyone coming. I suggest that would be a great thing to say. Yeah, because I did not say. I just, I this, this whole section to me. It's open access to productions, events and activities. So it's the title that's incorrect public events. Well, I think it's also the open access. If we're trying to say we don't discriminate and anybody can come in and create productions. And, and whatever, then we ought to say that, but that's not what this. Yeah, we should just say what we need. Well, why don't we just put this on, you know, we don't have to rush through this. We can look at a rewrite of that. Yeah, I mean, I'd be happy to work with other people. Yeah. But I just, I would suggest. Yeah, let's see. Okay. Okay, we talked about. And I think there was just one other thing, which was. This is now back in the section on. Program ownership and distribution. No use of public access equipment. Sorry. And under field equipment, we say a typical field equipment checkout is three days with exceptions for higher priced equipment. Doesn't specify what. I don't know what that means. They can get it for a day. No, but what's a higher cost. Higher. Define. Yeah. Is needs to either be defined or it ought to be to say, except, except where the executive director has decided it should be. You know, more limited or something. Well, it's not more limited. See if you do it for three days, you pay for three days. Oh, the reason I think that is the release. This is for the special equipment that we don't have a lot of. And if you want to take it out. Well, what it is specifically, I believe is we have some for, we have some professional here. Really expensive. Yeah. And most pros don't need it for three days. I need it for one day. One day rental. I think we can make it pretty clear that most things are for three days unless. You know, but in other words. I'm just looking at what's written. Yeah. What would work something like there are three days except for equipment. Designated for single day rental. Yeah. Something other than just higher price. You can either use designated or put a dollar value. I mean, and I don't know what I think the dollar value could change. So less designated otherwise. Yeah, there you go with less designated otherwise. Director. By the executive director. And then you can make the call that that particular cameras or one day camera or whatever. It's just that's really can make it easier to rent. So because we make someone pay three days. Those cameras go for $127 a day. So then we'd have to pay a lot of money and most of mostly. You're a producer making something you're going to make sure. You work all day. Yeah. And let me be clear. The policy makes sense to me. It's just sort of, I thought the way it was written. Yes. You're right. All right. Joe. Well, knowing that peak working needs are perfect. So I didn't have a lot of comment. But I had one question. When I went through these, some of it, I kind of realized her from years back when there was a huge staff much different than now. But it's certainly any change from your knowledge about on air fundraising. Because this is 2012. And I don't know what the standard practices now or. Law hasn't changed or because everything I watch like on public television has all sorts of. And I don't know if anybody would even do it on, on our channels, but it's still a thought. I just thought I'd raise if anybody knows anything more about it. I don't. I think that what's happened possibly in the past is that. I know that. When. Concast had their own station, their own local station, they did fundraising for this school. Yeah. So it might have been with the thought in mind that we might like to help another town like community organization raise funds. So put something on there. Yeah. They had special phone lines. Oh yeah. It doesn't work anymore. By the way. Yeah. It is. Well, the nightmare. The other thing is, is that our policies and procedures specifically. Don't allow. Fundraising. Yeah. Public access producers. Or anyone to make calls for action. So we're, we're covered that way. You should probably not use our air for fundraising. I mean, we either we do or we don't. I mean. It seems like we don't. I mean, we don't allow calls to action in anything. Otherwise, right. Tom. Except for ourselves. Well, should we remove policy five? Maybe. Yeah. Let's strike it. Love you. Or does it. Then there's a question. So we got, I think you should, we should say no, we don't give it. We're not going to. I don't think it's like it open if we don't have a rule. They can do that. Well, if we were to strike that. Does it. Does its absence imply that we do allow. When we do. Or we could. Or someone. We don't say we do or we don't. Then it's always. Making a clear statement. If we don't. I can just say that. Yeah. And say that. Of course that excludes. We're not going to. I don't think it's like it open if we don't have a rule. They can do that. Well, if we were to strike that. Does it. Does its absence imply that we do allow. Or we could. Or we could. Or someone. We don't say we do or we don't. Of course that excludes us. That was kind of. Well, and I can also imagine. I'm just remembering like after the earthquake and they're all these fundraisers or whatever. I wonder if it makes sense to say. That. At the discretion of the executive director. You know, so it could say CTV shall permit. You know, only permit locally based nonprofit fundraising by bonafide. By for one C threes. And the executive director may opt. Such fundraising. You know, must be. Authorized by the executive director. Okay. And she and must be in the best interest. This says the organization is that CTV. Yeah. Or the organizations is doing the fundraising. That's interesting. I don't know. You want to be the one deciding that. That is not. Actually. Well, I. I would say you're like the new ball, but I guess we've never. Hearing is that you don't want to change this. It's what you just read. That makes sense. No, except what I said, I added the word only. Where. So. CTV shall permit. Shall only permit. Okay. Locally based nonprofit fundraising. By bonafide. By one C three. So there we're saying you got to be a 501 C three. And you have to go. And you know. Such fundraising. Must be authorized by the executive director and must be. Deemed to be in the best interest of consistent with CTVs. So. That works with our mission. Okay. I didn't mean to bring up, I just thought, but that's a good point. It's a kind of evolving discussion. And part of the thing is that these are legacy documents from another era. They had different. Issues and stuff. Yeah. Did you get that? Yeah. But if anything, you could. It's making it up on the slide, but. I'll write it later in 10. Okay. That was my major comment. I mean, I thought. Great. Thank you. So. Yeah. So I thought we were just doing the board. If we're in that, if we're doing the section with the board. Well, we kind of. Public access. The procedures. Board expectations. Yeah, there was. So that's all one agenda item. All of these except the financials. So not the public access rules. Okay. So yeah, and the public access rules and procedures. I had a question about, you know, is the definitions certified volunteer? Is that still a category? A user who contributes time to the organization. On a non-paid base basis or she's in kind of volunteer our pain for use as credits or to do. I thought the studio supervisors, they get credit for acting as a studio supervisor, but other other volunteers that get. Credit. Okay. So that's still an applicable. Category definition. Okay. And then. In the major minor violations. Storing furniture or set pieces in the studio is listed under both. I think. Well. Yeah. Storing. Furniture or set pieces in the studio is listed as N under. Minor violations as listed as W. Storing furniture or set pieces under major violations. So I guess the question is, is it both or is it just one of the. It depends on how much. I don't know. Did we miss that key? Okay. Okay. I gotta find it. It's one of the last items of each section. W under major stroke, storing furniture or set pieces in the studio. We don't start. We don't allow that. We don't allow that. Right. That's a violation. So under W, it's a major and under. Is it. And it's been added in as a minor. It's just not possible. We don't have any space. Is it a mea culpa or a mea moxie? Moxie. They. Because we don't have space in there for that. We barely have. We don't have space in there. We don't have space in there. We don't have space. We don't have space in there. Delete and. Delete and storing furniture. So it's not a minor. Yeah. The leader from the minor. Okay. People do still ask us even though we have for years. Then I had a question on D. So, you know, because all the equipment is available for rent now. Under major violations. So a. So, you know, it's not just for rent. It's just for rent. Reserving or checking out equipment. Or facilities. So now it's just reserving facilities for use by a non-certified user. So there's the whole certification thing, right? You used to have to be certified to use any of the equipment, but now we just rent equipment to anybody who's certified or not. Right. So, so D use of equipment facilities for purpose, not related to production of a program for public access cable cast. If somebody's renting the equipment. Right. If you're paying for the equipment. And you go out and shoot an ad advertisement for somebody. Right. The rules and regulations are for people who are users. They're not. They're not for the general public. There's a difference. But if the user is. They're paying for the equipment either way, right? Or if they're using volunteer hours. To use the equipment that it has to be for. CTV production. Yes. That's not, that's not specified there. It doesn't sound like that when you hear it read. Well, but see the rules. Correct me if I'm wrong, Keith, but the rules and procedures is for. Members for users. Right. So when somebody's checking out the equipment, they have to specify, okay, I'm using this as a user now. Not as a private citizen. Yeah, there are rules about if you make money, then you have to get there. Each of these rules about if you used our, our equipment and made for a professional production and made money for it, you had to give us some of the money. But that's when you use the equipment for free. Right. I mean, I don't know that they were, I don't. Yeah, I saw, I saw that. Yeah. I think if you're using points. Yeah. I don't know that they were, I don't know. Yeah, I saw, I saw that. Yeah. I think if you're using points, that's because you, that's. See all users must be a member at some level. If you go to the definitions. That's what a user is. But you only have to go online and say, I'm a member. Right. Right. Yeah, they have to be members. That's correct. But you use that to go online and say, I'm a member. Sure. Well, so I still think D needs to be. Clarified, right? Because. Yeah. So. Can I ask a question? Yes. We saw we were distinguishing between users and like. Professionals who come in and rent. So this public access rules and procedures only applies to. The public access. Exactly. Okay. But you brought up a good point. You know, in the past, you've used equipment for stuff you were paid for. And you made a point to take cash for the equipment and not use points. I'm not sure everybody else is as honorable about that as you are. Major violation. No. Major. Yeah, you did it right. And so. Well, so I think this needs to be clarified. Yeah. So I'm not sure how to do that, but I'm not so not sure it's in here. But it is public access. And, and the people who come in from the public just, you know, renting something. They're not participating in public access. They're not putting it on here. No, but if you went into a camera and someone paid you to shoot a production, is that public access? If you don't pair it on the channel. So the way the test in the past has been, I could go out and get paid for something. And then if I brought in an error on the channel, it was okay that I used my points. Yeah. But after like $100, I have to pay so much percent. So these rules and procedures are, and that's why when we revised this, we put in public access. And that's why we put in public access. So because we predicted that you were going to ask that. Public access rules and procedures. That's what that's how you need to read it. Well, then maybe, maybe, you know, a lot of people might understand that, but other people would read that and not really know what that means. So do you have a place where you define that? Yeah, I think so. I think that's a good point. So it's really clear to people because I can see somebody just carrying play it. We didn't have a problem with that. And when we find two members saying they were from CTV and charging people recording things and putting it on the air. I saw that. That's definitely listed in there. Just representing yourself. But if I may, maybe one more time. So a user is any of participating in any aspect of community access program. You can be a member. But it is not so that if you're a member, then you automatically participate in a public access program. Public access. You can vent something. And go out. I understand. I just didn't know if maybe. Needed to be defined and so that everyone would understand. Because some people. I don't know. If I can just. Yes, maybe what you do is. I think, you know, you've covered it. For those who understand it. With the change title change. You could just have a. Maybe clarifying. In the statement of purpose or right at the top. So that these rules apply. And when. Yeah. Don't apply to professionals. They do apply to whatever. You know, They apply to participate. Yeah. Along those same lines, you know. Minor violation. Major violation. Okay. You know, I don't know. I guess there's a question like so when somebody rents the studio. Are they. Using all the equipment to cameras or are they just renting it as a space and they're bringing their own cameras? Yeah. They need to have a studio supervisor there when they're using the. They're using our equipment. They need to have a studio. Usually they don't. They're not certified. This is for public access. People who are paying for it don't have to have certified. So just if it's just a transaction. The rental transaction by somebody who's making a production. Then it doesn't fall. And they don't use our gear. They always bring their own. Yeah, because it's not for what people are using today. And they don't want to, they're not broadcasting. They're not going to record three camera shoots. They all. They're doing a single setup. They're shooting single camera. We've had people using the track. But then there's always. Studio supervisor. Okay. Okay. Where. Actually. And then sometimes you have to take over because they don't know. What's that. Um, This is a, maybe it's not the best time to be in the set because it's getting late, but, um, there was something about, uh, moving the lights, right? Yeah. Um, I understand that, you know, we have professional setup of current lighting grid. In the old studio, people could move the lights around and stuff. Um, Just a thought, I'm just gonna throw it out. We don't have to talk about it. Um, there's all kinds of cool lights out there that are remote controllable. You know, so we have this current lighting grid just the way it is, it's locked down, but we could also add some lights in there that have like go bows that can throw cool patterns that you can change the colors and you can remotely control them. You could have them moving around, you know, for like live music. You know, I think it would be a nice compromise to have that. You know, we have our, you know, business in the front party in the rear, you know, sort of, uh, thing where you have your studio lights for, you know, typical talking head productions, then we could have some fun lights for the people who want to have fun. Yeah. I mean, that's fine. Yeah, but first you got to put them in, then you write your policy for it. Because I see you're getting excited, which I thought was interesting. But being a bureaucrat, providing as I said, well, you got to get excited. Well, it might be nice. And people are allowed to, to rent the, the field lighting kit and set them up in the studio if they want. So I don't know if that could be clarified. It's number, it's M, you know, if making changes to the fixed lights in the facility or the. We don't have those lights yet. So I think in the fall of the. A question about the fixed light. Well, the fixed lights have to stay where they are because they're for certain. No, I understand. I'm clarifying. Maybe I'm going to be right now. She said, the word lights. Why don't you just add the word. The install to be permanently installed. Making changes to the fixed lights in the facility. Right. Okay. And then at such time that we get the. You're going to have one fixed light. All the fun things you want them to do. That's it for me. Thank you for your patience. Thank you. Okay. Any other comments, questions. So. We will, we will revisit these. So little subcommittee on certain things will. I'm going to go ahead and clarify these Tom. You're going to send them. And keep to be the wrangler of all of this. Thank you for that. And then we will revisit these. Next month. For approval. In the meantime. Oh, the financial to be. We haven't done that yet. That's a separate item. And I'm. Go ahead. Well, what I was going to say, is it possible that somebody could send to us the conflict of interest? If there is such, we can sign it now. You know, remember, we talked about that until they had some idea that we should have some kind of a conflict of interest form. And I was just, well, you know, we can talk about it next time. We're going to have to do it tonight, but I thought it was a good to follow up on that. Does someone have this one. It's in the bylaws. It's in the bylaws. Okay. So we'll find. We have that. I think the answers is not the line, article nine of the violence. Most violence. Of course, I'm not sure. We do things differently. I'll deal with my next meeting because November is. Yeah, we should do that. Okay. The election of officers. Right. We could sign him at the retreat. That's a good idea. Okay. I will move on to number nine. Okay. So this, what I put it differently is that one of our October things is to review the current fiscal year budget. We've kind of done that with your report, but if there's any, anything you'd like to add or the finance committee. And then we can look at the updates to the financial policies. While we're at it. So this is sort of the financial issue or. Item. Any comments. The only thing I've found that. And you know, it's easy to fit. That a lot of them are these things say. We've ice. We've ice. And some of them are old. So they just need to be cleaned up the old ones. Clean up the revised language. The revisions. And I can you. I think she's talking about the very upper. Some of them say, the bottom or the last page of something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very at the very bottom. In writing print. To the right. I have one more. Yes. Not with these things, but this would be then a great. Time for us to change bylaws. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. It's obviously not the conflict. In the 9.01. Purpose. Change the board. In. I'm sorry. You're talking about the bylaw. This is not. So this is not in there. Not on the agenda. One board. Because. It says. In. In Europe. In Europe. In Europe. In Europe. In Europe. And. Spelling. Erma means. That you're. Doing something with the ashes. We should not have that in the bar. And I've been a couple of years ago, I told him, I said, we've got to change stuff. In your mind. Yeah. Well, maybe that's more of a clarification. And Becca can do it on her own authority. As opposed to bar laws. Not the bar laws. Even the word change. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. All right. We'll put it on the agenda. But it's terrible. Well, let's. We'll address that and put it on the agenda. Next time. What? No. That's why I was suggesting if it's just a mistake and a word. Whatever. Maybe we. I won't say anymore. Authorize the executive director at the next meeting to bring forth a one word change. Secretary. We have to still vote on it. Okay. Just for the record. Well, let's. I would make a note for that. Yeah. So this is. And so we're in financial policy. On purpose. And I looked it up. It's still there. And that's in the bylaw. Yeah. Okay. We'll. Clean that up. Burn the bylaw. Good. Yeah. Okay. So financial policies. I had nothing. Good. And I'll make a report saying that a good part of this work was done by Keith. And Tom. And we will. We were kind of the smaller part. They were the major part, but almost all of this really just reflects bringing things up to 2023. They're really. When I went through it, I said, well, you know, it's good when it was, but there are little things in here. You kind of have to laugh at it. How technology has moved forward. Yeah. So I just wanted to give credit to work credit was due. They did a lot of work on it. I went on vacation. We don't stamp checks anymore. A lot of that stuff we were talking about. Yeah. Good. And checks and stuff. Okay. So what we'll do if, if that looks good. Any other questions. Comments. So we'll bring this back. For approval. At next meeting. This is a review. And I, I guess we can't approve it. Because we didn't call for approval as you pointed out. So we'll do that next meeting. You can put it on the consent agenda too. Yeah. Just one comment about the. The bylaws do not include any kind of statement that we can sign for. No, or we do a case for these. We just print out the conflict. Interest. Whatever says in there. And then people sign. I got it. A conflict. Interest. I got it. Okay. You're on the site. Yeah. This is actually not on the site. This is I downloaded these. Years ago. Okay. But. So there is a, there are, you know, several pages of conflict of interest. And so what we're asking for just to be clear is that. You sign a thing that you're aware of those policies that you. Acknowledge. And so you're on the record for. You can't go. I didn't make a mistake. Okay. Yeah. This is actually not on the site. This was I downloaded these. Years ago. Okay. But. So there is a, there are, you know, several pages of conflict of interest. And so what we're asking for just to be clear is that. Okay. Okay. Good. Fine. Let's move on to item number 10 education committee's report. Hey, meetings and some other things who would like to take this. Okay. Well, we've had two. Events. And. We've had so library and they were. Maybe 12 people attended each evening. But. I must say that the presenters. And education. Pretty special. And. I think anybody who did attend, but really appreciative of what they had to offer. And the same for a democracy. Yeah. Zach friend and he brought an administrative aid. I can't remember the events. Yeah. And kind of gave a whole history of the use of AI and how it all started without them maybe realizing it. And they are now providing. Guidance and education and clarity on how it can be used and not. We're also preparing for AI and creativity. For. Next month and we have. Two people already. We'll be there. We're looking for a fitter. We would love to have a woman. You can speak to AI and creativity. Sorry. As any suggestions. Please send them on. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. A couple things. We got. A little. A little. I touched her tools. Her name is. Anyway. I got really good positive feedback on the things she said about what's going on at the county. Yes. And I have recommended to one of the public access producers that they have her on as a guest, because I think she would be really good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think. That one of the ways they're noticing AI being used. Is when they put out a job. People fill it out and they don't have the same. Yeah. Letters. They come from both sides. Yeah. Yeah. They have the same assistant. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't, I don't, I've asked G for help. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I can do turn to that. And then you're note about. Jennifer Pittman checking with her. She's around. I guess it. Do you know her? Yeah. That's right. My check with her. And I'll, I'll look into it as well. See if we can get. Okay. I will contact you. Okay. And I would like to add, I was able to be at the last one in person, but several people I talked to muted online. And I don't know if there are numbers for that, but I know there were several people who did. And it was very interesting because. They said that when they heard the education. They were encouraged about the possibilities. And then when you heard the politicians talk. We are in such trouble. And so that, that was really interesting to me. The other thing that happened. I don't know how many people did watch online. Do we know? I did. There were a half a dozen on the last one, but the first one, we only had five online during it. We had a hundred people watch it in the next month. We had a hundred people watch it in the next month. We had a hundred people watch it in the next month. We had a hundred people watch it in the next month. The other thing is both were streamed. And this time Victor got it on the channel. Streamed live on YouTube. And was carried on channel 26. I need to ask him if you can do that. Yeah. What's the date of the next one? Number 14. We're going to send help for you. We're going to send an operator to help you on that. Is there's too much to do. Okay. What are their skills? I don't know. I'm going to take this offline. Yeah, I'll let Victor, Victor will be the judge. You can talk to Victor, but we've decided that we can help. It's look like there's just so much to do. And it's hard to get. Especially if you're rolling in groups and stuff and audio. And so we thought it would be helpful to have another. Person there. So we'll send somebody. You can tell Victor what you need. I know exactly what I need. Okay. Possibly one of the education committee members, Linda, we've asked her if she might like to help. So if you don't get someone from Victor, I have a potential for someone else. We'll get a real technical person. I understand. Linda has done a lot of directing. Okay. Anyway, I'm happy to have. Yeah, whatever help you. I agree with you that I need more help. Yeah, there's, yeah. Yeah. We just think about the sound. You know, it worked beautifully at home. Always got there. I didn't notice it wasn't working. Sorry. One other thing. My friend Doug Erickson, who's headed Santa Cruz works. As it was very kind in helping. Promote our events. And they're having. I had seen that. And it looks very interesting. It's going to. Be acting. Anyway. They charge for that event. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Anything else? Okay, let's talk about item number 11. Retreat this coming Saturday here. Right in the studio. Okay. Okay. Is that what we're talking about? Just signed that while I was away. We were doing, but I guess we should talk about that. I don't, I don't, I see no reason why not. Okay. Yeah. Initially it was going to be, we were talking about your room over at Serento Oaks, but you won't be there because you're going to be otherwise engaged. You'll be here for. Yeah, I'll be here for. I'll be here for a while. Okay. That was to be at the bowl with on at 12, 15. I'm the encounter. I did it every year. So, you know, they. They would go crazy. If I'm not there. So I'll be here from 11 to about 12. Can we do that? Is that a problem? I don't think it's a problem. I'll look and see if someone's reserved this. Okay. Fine. Yeah. Yeah. No worries. You may as well reserve it then. Okay. Okay. Okay. When did that. Three hours, right? Yeah. That's great. It should be fine. I just don't know about the schedule. Did you look at it, Keith? Should we plan on one separate before we get there? Are we doing. Well, that was, I was thinking we'd have lives here as part of it. Yeah. Yeah. And then so that's another question. The studio is open all day. So you want it from. Okay, let's look at the two. Yeah. 10 to three. That's a good idea. And then I'll, we'll, I'll get lunch in. Okay. And have snacks and coffee and. Great. Okay. And then it's, it's kind of wide open. I mean, really, we're looking ahead three years. You know what, there's a lot of changes. A lot of changes ahead of us, even there have been in the past three years, four years since we last did this. So I'm just sort of looking for people's ideas and strategies and thoughts, you know, in terms of what our mission is, public access. But one thing we talked a little while ago. I'm just curious to know what your ideas are. I mean, I think that Becca just because she's a professional leader here, just see among her community of people, what are kind of looking forward to and what their ideas were. I think some of these things came up in a conference and I'd be curious, first of all, just to hear her. Not her vision, but what she's seen happening in. When you see on the horizon horizon. Yeah. And we can all pipe in with our ideas, but there's kind of a level of. I mean, we can all guess. That's my only thought. Okay. I continue to worry about the stability of our capital dollars, which right now are robust. I mean, I don't have to worry about, but everything you hear about people with cable. I mean, the latest thing now is that the sports companies, the, I mean, the sports organizations are trying to. Get out of cable contracts, which are very lucrative for cable so that they can just stream it and do make other arrangements. There are all of these things happening in the cable industry that I think do not portend well for the longterm sort of revenue stream. I think that spectrum has done something where they are not going to have cable. They're just going to have streaming. They're just going to subscribe to the services. That's kind of like what they've done in Canada with cable. So I just, I, you know, that if that revenue stream went away, we would have some more profound problems than we had imagined. So I don't know if there's. I'm not sure what we do about that, but it just feels to me like something that. We know from Pat, I think you and I talked to Kevin Bowling and he had been planning for that. So he had like a sort of a savings account for that kind of a thing. That's a declining savings account. In other words, it's, if there's no money going into that savings account, it'll only last us for so long. Yeah. I think it just means there's a. Another year or two. Back up. Yeah. We might want to talk to Tammy. Well, I go about that. Yeah. In a public meeting. I don't know. Well, I don't know how much I can disclose in a public meeting, but we just started some conversations at the county. So we have some relatively new people in the county administrative office and they just discovered. That we have a large sum of money in there. And we're talking about how to spend it. I don't think we're going to get, you know, I don't think we need nearly that much money. I mean, so the last time the board chambers was, was. Refresh was 2014 and we upgraded the tricaster 2019. So there was some talk about, you know, I mean, the system works there, but there's some shortcomings. And I did say, you know, we should really get community TV and Victor involved in this, this discussion about, you know, if we're going to be spending money. You know, the system there was initially made to be very simple to operate. And, but then we've kind of had to. Clue. Clue things on, right? Yeah. So we're looking to redo the chambers there. And also the county has a new building at 500 Westridge, you know, the old West Marine building. So we're talking about setting up a facility there in the community room. And I, you know, I was going to suggest maybe libraries. I don't know if the county can invest, you know, talking about a board meeting in a box, you know. Well, I would love to talk to you guys about that because that's something that we are looking at doing next year is trying to put our equipment in places where. In venues where people can have hold events and things and sort of like bring that content in. Like I was talking about earlier one way to do that. We don't have people come in here to make recordings. So if we can put the, the gear in the public where they can record themselves, we could be a part of that. And that's a different kind of gear. I assume with a different kind of. Yeah. Budget because my question was. For local. You know, for local government things are local people. Where, you know, somebody like a big football game. Yeah. They can do whatever it is they want to do. But if you're like a. A small government agency in a small city. Can you afford to play this game? I mean, do you still. Can you make that switch or do you still need. In the way that they've been using. Well, a couple of things could happen. We could make it affordable. Okay. And or, or we might decide to just do it. To get, to get the stuff back. We depend on the venue and who's going to be there. So we can also put it in a place and people who want to use it, just rent it for the day or whatever. Yeah. I mean, there's a lots of ways we can make. Yeah. I'd be interested when you talk in the retreat. Yeah. Oh, good things that we can. You know, maybe not clear up, but certainly discuss. We want to empower people. We don't want to, we want to make it possible. Yeah. I'd suggest just so it's on our radar screen. Put on the low power. TV. Yeah. Just. What'll happen. Yeah. I'll make it back on. Pardon me for chocolate. Yeah. But that's good. I mean, that's. Yeah. About performing. Yeah. Have we abandoned the thought of a. Another facility. I mean, we look, we explored that for a while. Mid County. I mean, is it. Completely off the radar? Is it still something we want to retain? There's some pros and cons there for sure. Yeah. I had one practical question, which is it. Do we need to notice this? I mean, we'll have a quorum. How does that work? There won't be. Just put, just put. Barbitrate. No action. Yeah. But it needs to be noticed. Yeah. Since it's a movie. Yeah. Okay. Is there doing any things? I mean, we'll, I'll get food. Do you need anything else? Whiteboards or. Look charts or. Penmanship. Whiteboard, you know. We have a lot of. Yeah. Okay. So I will. I will notice the meeting, which should be. Well, you know, one thing in perspective for this, I remember going to a couple of these about. Round difficult time. And there is a success. We're still here. And so it's always good to look forward, but there is a success. Yeah. Yeah. I remember one time Joe was saying at a meeting. I'm just happy. Guys, did you choose the studio for some reason? No, we have a really nice conference from the two big whiteboards that might be here to you. And my. That would be fine. The studio being this building. I mean, I don't know necessarily just this facility. So yeah, I think that would make. Conference. Yeah. Well, one thing. No. If it's a notice meeting. Who knows if anybody would come. Is there enough room in the new conference room to put a few chairs. There is. We have couch. Question, you know, I had mentioned before about soliciting input. And I noticed in that. In the newsletter, there was a. Request. Call. I know if anybody has responded and if so, maybe we can. Go over those responses. At the retreat. I got one. Okay. And just for the fun of it, I'm going to look up. And chat GBT. And I started playing with it. And then I decided I needed to. Kind of hold my time back. Friends and cable TV. See what we get. Who knows. Maybe. David's done that. Or do you want to do it? I mean. I'm happy to do it. I'm happy to do it. I'm happy to do it. I'm happy to do it. I'm happy to do it. I mean, I started to learn how to use it, but if you've been doing it, I think it would be fascinating. To see. Yeah, I mean, use a new tool to see what the new tool says. The new world will be. And maybe not any different than this world. I know. It would be just different names. I learned at the last. A seminar. Really. The new word for a librarian is a prompt engineer. A prompt engineer does. Is always. Yeah. I had asked her that connection. Yeah. All right. Board chairs report. I kind of did it. It's done. Board member of staff requests. In other words, no report. For specific specific items on the next meeting agenda. So we're going to have our policies on there. We're going to have. Well, it's time for committee. Officer election. Then the one word bylaw change. Yeah. Bylaw change. That keeps it off until this mining. She can move forward. Okay. Good. We'll do that. Announcements. Anyone. And until you're. Well, I just had an announcement. Oh, yes. I mean, it's, it's something that happened. Becca. And a teacher. Were on the radio. We did. Exploring Santa Cruz. But. I heard it. So probably what we should do is send everybody. Link. Yes, please. Do that. Yeah. Who's everybody. On the water. Oh, on the news. Okay. The world. You have the link. Well, it right now. If you just go to. Okay. You should. Sorry to the chair. Sorry to the chair. Okay. You can send it to me. I can send it to folks. Okay. Well, there's the link. Actually, you're the producer you should do. I could send the link to, to you. Because I don't know if I can. Can I send an email to everybody? Yeah. I think nothing wrong with that. We just going to start a long conversation. What is the email address? No. Just send it to me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bye. All. It was. It was fun. And I lived down to about 23 minutes. I cut like five minutes. Oh, okay. Okay. I don't know if I can send an email to everybody. Yeah. I think nothing wrong with that. We just going to start a long conversation. Do you have a position? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if I can send an email to everybody. I don't know if I can send an email to everybody. Yeah. I don't know if I can send an email to everybody. I don't know if I can send an email to everybody. Okay. Good. Good. Good. So, So, yes. He did. The teacher to the. Yeah. She was really good. I'm a number 15. Mattilla. I moved. Favour. No, not yet. I just so nobody gets angry gives their lottery ticket number out by this. Still do that.