 So this is Ingeborg Bo for LingSA project. What do you think? Is learning 2.0 supporting inclusive lifelong learning? Yes I think so because the possibility of being linked up and using the connections that are available on web 2.0 makes it possible for people who otherwise couldn't attend and be part of a community to be part of that community and they can create community and in that way be included. We are doing experiments in LingSA in the project and we are wondering do you think isolated experiments can be mainstreamed in this area? Well that depends very much of the results and also all the experiments you make but I'm sure there are always some things to learn from experiments you have to start in a small scale and have a targeted group and objectives for what you do and when you analyze that you will see if you can scale it up but not necessarily but some information from it and sometimes you can scale it up too. Learning 2.0 is actually a quite a vast term it's a little bit difficult to see how what the impact is the actual impact is in society so we are wondering whether learning 2.0 can fundamentally change educational landscapes what do you think about this? If it can change learning educational landscapes fundamentally it's a huge question and will take time but what I think is that it to a large extent can change the learning landscapes because it puts focus much more on the students and the learners situation needs it's more learner driven possibility of involvement of the learner of any kind more than in the traditional educational system and I think it has shown the few years with that we've had it that it has a great potential in in revolutionizing really the educational system. We were talking about learners in the project we talked about target users so basically those who are the the grandmothers dealing with learning you the internet with the with their grandchildren in projects it seems to be sometimes difficult to reach the right target group learning 2.0 is an emerging term do you think can you think of examples of how to reach the right target groups in inclusive setting for the society to change? You're talking about target target groups and when you talk about target groups you talk about people with special well that you can describe in special features or whatever you I don't know what the expression you would use and some of them are already organized in different organizations study organizations they elderly people who talked about them they go to centers for elderly people I think one way of reaching to special targets groups with this new technology which is sometimes difficult as you said it would be nice to a good idea to to involve different kinds of organizations that do not deal really with learning but but who or these organizations have other activities for the target groups that you are reaching to. Thank you very much Ingeborg. Okay. Pleasure.