 So my name is Liz Tanner. I am the secretary of commerce for the state of Rhode Island and I have with me Jim Mason Who was our consultant on our project that we did in Rhode Island? And we're really excited to not just show you what our project was But it's been fascinating to me to be in all the sessions today that are very much focused on Well, if we could only get the government to do more and so I'm gonna I'm gonna give you the insight of why we don't do more But also to give you some pointers on What what would be helpful to us when when people are trying to sell things to us or at least present solutions? So so I have a wide background. I am not a tech person at all. I understand about a third of what's happening today But I like to fix things. I like to make things better. I'm a problem-solver and for me I was hired by then Governor Gina Ramondo who is now the Commerce Secretary under President Biden in America To make it easier to do business and so as an attorney who had opened up several hundred businesses I came to a government trying to figure out What do other states do and I very quickly realized that nobody in America is really doing a very good job at this And so I started looking internationally and so there's a lot going on internationally that I have very much tried to model In an American way to bring things and Jim if you want to flip to the next slide Sure, we don't have a lot of time. So we'll talk about it all later He's the tech guy. So he's who he is who we've hired to do our project Our project has ended and he's now very busy doing lots of other things Jim. You want to just give a quick highlight of your Yeah, so my background. I'm a DLT architect today at DTCC working on what I call refinance We're we're reimagining how finance works in the I'll call it new technology era And I of course I'm part of hyper ledger hyper ledger Project public sector group leader in that and work on a bunch of other things I have a long history that I don't care about and you shouldn't either so we're done with that between now and again So so how do we get here? So like I said, I was my job to try to make it easier to do business We discovered the European models and said oh somebody is actually doing this better I have been very much focused on the Estonian model that has been my my guide that I have looked at I'm actually going next month to get a one-on-one session with them and very excited about it But we what we finally did was to say, okay What do we want to do so we put out a RFP a request for proposals to do a proof of concept to Introduce blockchain technology to government and this was back in 2018 19 We received over 60 ideas from over 30 companies unprecedented number of responses for for our state And we vetted it down essentially to one company and we worked with emphasis who worked with us on What ultimately ended up being a credentialing project? So what I'd like to try to show you is is what that project look like But as far as many governments who have asked me where do you start? Where do you begin the person the answer is the person who has the most enthusiasm for it because you're not going to get Anybody to do it if they don't want to do it It's been very hard for me to get my colleagues on board with it But it's something that I had been very interested in because I'd seen the European models and how things could work And so I had to do what was under my purview and at the time I was the director of the Department of Business Regulation and I regulate a wide variety of license types Okay, so what we did here was our traditional identity was to start with Emily who has to submit documents to prove her identity At the Department of Motor Vehicles for her driver's license She then sort of registers herself to apply for the license has to show her proof of identification Makes her way down to filling out all sorts of other pieces of paperwork to prove that she can be an accountant That's what we chose to do and ultimately does get her license But by creating the self-sovereign identity model, it's a far more streamlined approach One of the questions I get is why did you choose accountants? So in the United States accountants while they are a License in every state for the most part when you're good in one state You're good in all 50 states and so when you do taxes in other states You constantly have to prove your credential and so it was really important for them to be able to have a way to Show their credential so we are actually working with the National Association that oversees a CPA credentials called NASBA And they're very interested because what they would love to do is use this as a model in all 50 states So that all CPAs can now use this as a credential I will also say from a what how can you start this project? Why did we choose CPA credentials because that's just about as boring as it can get we didn't want to do anything That's right. We do love CPAs. I'm a lawyer, right? So I'm here with you But we purposely chose something that was really boring because we wanted to show success You know one of the things that's going on in the world right now is governments can't fail They constantly are being kind of dinged for doing something wrong and wasting taxpayer dollars So we started something very safe very secure very simple because we wanted to be able to prove it and make sure that people Could start to get on board with it because anytime we use the word blockchain Which I almost never use anymore people got nervous, you know When you say blockchain in government all they know about is the guy who lost a million dollars because they lost his password That's all that I hear over and over and over again. So we purposely said all right We're gonna try to talk about digital government. So that's the way we frame it Okay, so I want to just show you we're hoping this is gonna work Yeah, it's a three and a half minute video that shows you the actual project. Yeah, so let's pull that up I think I've got it. Sorry Back to here I have faith in you Jim I don't deserve it, but thanks State government agencies provide identity credentials in the form of driver's licenses professional licenses and other types of documents to their residents and businesses Residents and businesses need to produce these credentials to do business in and access various services offered by the state whether applying for a professional or business license applying for a driver's license or when Documents need to be requested from different departments repeating the same process is costly to the state and time-consuming for the applicant However, there is an easier way Let's consider Emily's scenario She works in an accounting firm and wants to get her CPA license for this She needs to get her educational credentials CPA exam results work experience and identity verified Emily visits a DMV to get her driver's license which verifies her identity and residency She then submits all the documents and ID proofs to the Department of Business Regulation for verification Her employer also needs to verify these credentials and every time she interacts with the government She has to repeat this process Emily wishes that multiple departments could collaborate to provide services more reliably and simply That she could have more visibility over the information being shared with these different departments This collaboration is possible if government departments and other institutions Establish an identity blockchain network to digitize and automate workflows and exchange Relevant information in a secure manner while servicing a request with a blockchain network Residents will initiate a service request with their primary service provider or agency The primary agency will collaborate with other departments or agencies as needed and request the information only once If the documents are needed again The primary agency will be able to inform the requester in advance and provide complete visibility on how these documents will be accessed and by whom This eliminates duplication of effort on the part of the residents the state and businesses Giving residents full control over their credentials and enable sharing of their data transparently without any risk of identity theft professional entities like CPA firms and architects and Businesses like commercial motor carriers and rental car companies for example can acquire store and share their credentials on the secure Blockchain network allowing them to operate efficiently and reduce their cost of compliance The state of Rhode Island along with its digital transformation partner Infosys public services has developed a blockchain-powered citizen-centric Ecosystem where digital identities can be created and shared the ecosystem will enable state departments to provide services in a seamless transparent and fully secure manner With this blockchain network the state will be able to help residents like Emily Obtained their licenses and other state-issued digital credentials through a digital wallet stored on their phone a Process that is generally contactless and paperless This leading-edge technology can be adopted by many departments within the state of Rhode Island From the departments of business regulation health and labor to the divisions of motor vehicles and taxation and beyond So because that worked I get to skip a couple of slides because I didn't know that video is gonna work or not But one of the important things that happened for us was to be able to create that hub and spoke approach at the end So we proved that it could work and Jim's gonna go through some of the technical parts of it because again That's not my expertise, but it is our intention to put out an RFP after our election season, which is today for us So hopefully it will be coming out soon, but it is our intention to create a singular website where both a citizen and a business would be able to retrieve an identity Be able to have all of their basic information stored in some version of a data lake and then be able to do Transactions on the wheel whether it's get a fishing license from the environmental department get a restaurant license from our department of health Their CPA license or their engineer or their real estate license and build it and grow it We also want to try to start to be able to register a business in one place Every state in America wants to be able to have a one-stop shop. And so that's ultimately what we're trying to create So if so if you're part of an organization that would be interested in looking look for our RFP coming out sometime this fall or Towards the close to the end of the year and in the meantime, I'll have Jim talk about some of the tech pieces behind it Okay Okay, so you can hear me. Okay This was the use case again that Liz just covered and the video did about the CPA license And we're just showing in a sense the journey that the user had through the Department of Business Regulation to issue and verify an identity credentials rather in DVR after you had your identity issued by DMV or Secretary of State and then the whole point is once you had your credentials Public any public user that you want to share with could could validate your credentials were accurate So that's a summary there part two of the journey If you look at the sequence of what happened if you looked as an individual you want to be a CPA again The video showed this but the DMV will issue you a state ID card if you check that option That we added to their registration process The ID got stored in the user's wallet you saw in the video You would then apply for the CPA license then Department of Business Regulation Would request validation of the applicants identity But that would happen automatically because all you had to do is consent to that so you approve the verification request So the nice part about the system is you are in control of who gets your credentials and your identity That isn't automated you have to decide as the individual you want to share the stuff, which is really nice so then Business regulation it can independently verify The identity identity card because it for your request because it came from DMV So that's automatic given that you prove the request to share it and then after via Verification the DVR would issue you the CPA license say you had all the right credentials Here's your license that license credential goes into your user wallet and then after that Anybody can search through the portal to check the fact that you're like you're a registered account in the state of Rhode Island So whether you're an account in a lawyer or anything else having a public registry available to check is important to you And so the idea is she said earlier was that it's not just within Rhode Island Be it be an outside of Rhode Island Everybody could start using this form of digital identity and credit credential verification and really the the other side as a Individual or a firm to is the idea that there's consent management formally happening all the way through the process So yes, it's automated, but we give you control where you need to as an individual or an organization So hopefully that all makes sense as a flow Yeah, I agree So that said oh look we Liz already summarized this so I'm not going to repeat this part on the blockchain project so we'll talk about Just the basic flow of how it actually happened at the DMV So what we did is modify the DMV registration process to say okay step one The way this system work we got from the DMP because you check the box It says yes, give me a digital identity We got a data file from them automatically in JSON format that came into this process flow So we created a wallet for you creating an identity as well that we put in the wallet store that in In the wallet and then actually took your Identity and stored it in a state credential registry then verified access to everything and then Ended with in a sense an output response that said okay look We just actually made all those registrations happen. They all actually work This I won't go through to explain it except to say the simple concept is this is the trust over IP model That shows you the concept There's an issuer in this case the legal issuers the state of Rhode Island the holder was Emily who wanted a CPA license and an identity And then the verifier would have been an employer that wanted to hire her right and so the fun part is the verifier says prove you Are a CPA in the state of Rhode Island. So obviously she approved the Request to share her credential which got approved the bigger thing is does that CPA firm trust the state of Rhode Island as an issuer So there's a trust relationship there They said okay because that credential was signed by the Department of Business Regulations state of Rhode Island We're gonna trust that she's a real CPA and that they did the due diligence to verify that so in the whole part of I'll call it the trust over IP Model with self-sovereign identity is that there's also governance, right? So that's the other side of this equation that says here's a firm relying on the fact she's a CPA Do they trust in this case? It's a government service. That's legally entitled issue credentials So they did but how do they know automatically? How does that firm know automatically that they're legally entitled? Why because there is in this registry on the blockchain They can identify that that is actually the legal entity that signed it properly, right? They have a public key out there So they know that and then if they have any question They say yes if you want to go look it up the laws say the state of Rhode Island is entitled to make those legal contracts and So then if you look how we did it in hyperledger I won't go through that except to say it obviously you know indie areas in Ursa or this plain stack What doesn't show on the slide here is that the emphasis team was smart enough to say oh look There's more here. We'll go steal the virtual organizations network that Steven and the rest of the team Built for British Columbia So all of that work In a sense Liz and the Infosys team were smart enough to in a sense say hey, we don't want to build it We're just going to shop for it and since it's quality work. That's already been proven. We're going to use it So that happened the trust model in action I'm not going to go through that again But you can just see the one thing the diagram shows is the blockchain is where everything got recorded on the bottom side Right, so all of the in a sense whatever was recorded and registered as identities and credentials There was a copy that was out here and including the public key for the state as an issuer So any verifier is going to say yes, I can now verify that the state actually did issue that credential which was a big deal So that's how the whole automated verification piece works And so now we're back to uh, Liz's end. Let me see if I can yeah, like there it is Jim Yeah The thing is we never even came close to hitting a volume limit in fact actually I cheated once again I'm a smart guy smart guys don't bother actually doing the work they cheat And so the smart thing was say well rota. Liz said Rhode Island's a small state So we have a million residents. We had about 750 000 corporate registrations. So the smart guy says, okay Let's call British Columbia. Oh look, you know, they built this thing What do they run and I looked at it and I think at the time I talked to them It had like I don't know 14 million credentials in their enterprise registry And then they told me that they had shared it and Ontario had picked up the same thing and Ontario was bigger So I called them and they said they had like 27 million credentials in their registries. They said, okay Rhode Island is good for the next 10 years. We're not going to run out of space using the same technology So it'll work for us. That was my cheat way of answering a tough question. So And we're very grateful to all of these Other governments. I think Jim and I have talked to all of them across the globe. Those who speak English That's for sure to ask them and it's funny because we do share a lot of these pains and I'm talking very often to CIO folks of which I am not But I think it's really useful to understand if if you want to work with those like what works How does it how does this actually go? So very important for us is leadership from the top, you know So I had this idea this crazy idea to use this technology that nobody heard of I got into the space about 2016 17 more from a space of I regulated crypto as a as the in my department I oversaw all financial services. So we did a lot to make crypto easier to to happen in the state of Rhode Island and Gina Ramondo who's again now the commerce secretary said to me Liz you're the blockchain expert for the state which was hysterical, right? Because he's like here. I am now on charge of all things blockchain So I came up with this idea and she said let's do it. Let's let's do it If you don't have leadership from the top, it's never going to happen So whatever your top is is is absolutely critical So even if you have somebody who's super enthusiastic if you don't have people supporting that person at a higher level It's never going to work for me. It was also about getting everyone in the room trying to make sure that I had Acknowledged everyone who touched the space rather than trying to force something upon the department of motor vehicles I had to really sit with them explain to them. This is what we're going to do You're not going to lose any information You're not going to end up on the front page of the newspaper for something going wrong You know, we have to really take your time to make everyone feel comfortable with the technology A big thing was finding problems to solve, you know, that's that's the big question What are you actually trying to solve? And again as much as I wanted to do certain things People were really nervous about it. So we said, okay, let's solve the problem for CPAs again super simple boring If we failed in any way, it wouldn't be the end of the world. We could go back to paper if we absolutely had to for whatever circumstance But as we move on now now, we're trying to find problems to solve And one of the important things for me now is trying to get people on board So that I can get this adopted much faster than just me trying to push it in one government So we've been spending a lot of time saying, okay, who's got problems that we think that this can solve Great example for us is the unemployment fraud that happened during covid We lost a half a billion dollars to people pretending to be somebody else If they had to if we had an identity solution We would have been able to save a half a billion dollars. That's sure against people's attention, right? So that's that's what we try to focus on is the actual problems you can solve There's some really cool things you can do But it's it's not going to actually solve a problem in government It's all about how much money you're spending and how much time you're saving And if you're not doing one of those two things, it's probably not going to get very far Getting external experts and internal supporters. I talked about the internal supporters But the external experts, you know, having someone like Jim and our emphasis team and others who Really explained things to us And you'll see on the next slide how I I think I feel like I taught a lot to A lot of our external partners because when we received those 60 ideas from 30 different vendors I can't tell you how confusing all of those proposals were for us and I'll explain that in a second Setting an expectation of no, no, no, we are going to do this, right? Because I think a lot of people thought oh, this will just go away after a while It's some technology that nobody's going to care about in a couple years If anything, COVID brought it far more to the forefront of what the possibilities are Absolutely doing it and then sharing the success, you know, one thing that we have failed on is we have not promoted it It's fascinating to me to hear all the folks getting all this great credit Which they certainly deserve because again, they've helped me as as leaders, but we have not shared our success We were way too bogged down in COVID and now we're really hoping to try to make that Because again, that will get the politicians who are going to be able to fund our project If they can get some face time on tv or whatever for doing you know sharing the success of the project Then i'm going to be able to get some more money. So I have to always be mindful of that too And then you know it opportunities with government. So again when I read those 60 plus proposals from 30 different vendors I barely understood any of it. You know, I'm a government person. I'm good at what I'm good at Right. And so whether I'm the business person or I'm the social services person or I'm the environmental person I'm good at what I'm good at and yes, there's an it department and there's it people in all of the state agencies To throw all of this big heavy language at us that might be good for the it department But as the government person if you're trying to sell me something I need you to give it to me in english I got you got to give it to me so that it's really easy to understand that it's going to explain how it's going to solve My problems. Um, I would consider you know telling me what it actually does, right? Like it, you know, sometimes these proposals that that come in It's so big and fluffy and it's like that's great But how's it going to affect susie jones at her desk tomorrow? You know, I need to know what it actually will do So consider a section two for non it folks that I understand what it is without using all these big fancy words That don't make any sense to me Giving examples, you know, it's a lot about the metrics too How how are you going to save me time? Right because if it used to take me two weeks to process this and now it's only going to take me Two days or two hours. I need to understand that Be careful though Don't come and tell me that you I'm going to be able to fire all my employees because I won't need them anymore That's not going to work either in government, right? You know, the unions are not going to like that So I need to be able to say I'm going to save a ton of time And we all know what that means, but don't put it in the proposal, right? Like don't you don't tell me that Okay How much money am I going to save right? That's huge But because how not only do I need to spend money to get this project to happen I also need to figure how I'm going to pay for it on an ongoing basis So is every user going to have to pay a x dollar fee? Is that fee going to increase? Because if if that's the case, it's going to be really hard for me to get this adopted on large scale We need to come up with something so that it Is want to be used by my citizens and my businesses and that's really tough one to to make happen Um And what else are the benefits? And then I have to say I actually took some notes, right? So based on everything that I heard today thinking about some of the questions that I heard I figured I would at least address some of the questions that I heard because there were so many comments of Well, why doesn't the government feel more? I will tell you the big thing is this is this concept of we're not allowed to fail You know, so if I was to take on a blockchain project and promote it to do pretty much anything that anybody talked about today If we fail and we wasted x millions of dollars of taxpayer dollars You'll never see that happen again in government, right? So one the project can't fail We have to figure out a way to make it not fail. We need to make sure that We can fully explain how those dollars were spent and at least this sort of first time around with governments When everybody's just getting familiar with it You're not going to be able to charge which you want to charge, right? Because we need to be able to sell it ourselves Prove it break it bend it do everything we have to do to it and then you can go sell it 49 more times, right? Or whatever else it is, but it's been interesting for us to For me even to have to really talk to the legislators and get them to come around to it I was in a session earlier. They were talking about the you know, who actually does the forms Oh, we'll just stick the form online You know, so even in my government while my department was 100 electronic and we were the only ones in state government That were as 100 electronic because it's something that I care about We still had a lot of Paper forms that you have to physically drive to a place fill out a Handwritten paper and submit a check with it and just trying to make that conversion is so much harder than you realize First of all, there's a lot more forms than you can possibly imagine in any piece of government, right? And to try to simplify that that needs to be a part of the solution, right? So you need to have a lean expert come in with a bunch of lawyers who's going to say Let's look at the form and make sure the form's even right. I can't tell you how many times The form's wrong. It asks for things. They're not supposed to it doesn't ask for things We're supposed to and the form is just wrong and clunky and it has to touch so many bodies Can we try to streamline in some way the process for the form? One of the things I like to say A bad form on paper is still just a bad form on the computer So making that conversion is super important and it's much harder than you think it is it involves lawyers and regulators It involves the industry groups that you're affecting It involves the unions and you have to do it one form at a time I think I read that the city of Boston Converted their paper forms to electronic and I don't know how many they had but it took them three years to do that That's a major process One of the things I heard today was why don't Why don't why don't you like why don't we why don't governments like throw their hands in the air? They got a million other fires. They're trying to put out You know, there's just so many wrong things and the everything's fine the way it is, right? Like that's the way people like in government tend to think is everything's fine the way it is Why do we have to make change you don't have to make, you know, everything's fine fine fine fine fine So you've got to really Get them on board to understand that it will make their lives easier that it will save time It will save money it will do all of these things and again Understanding that they're just putting out fires all day every day on all whatever problems Same thing about justifying spending of dollars. How do you justify spending millions of dollars on a new it project when This is happening or that is happening or that right because in every place where all of you live There's always something worse that's going on so It is just a matter of really talking about investing in dollars and looking at the future, you know, that that's something that I'm often Repeating to the people that I'm asking for for dollars Is to say if we start small and then we build it and we grow it You don't have to spend 50 million dollars all at once That's what it might cost at the end of the day But if I can just get I don't know Two and a half five million ten million and and and do Per year. We're just going to slowly keep working on it. That's how I can prove the concept and get people on there And then I just can't say enough about the metrics as far as The dollars being saved moving as far as people don't people in government don't move fast like ever so Trying to try to get them to You're going to have to come down to their level of having The pace that they need to be able to work at and and their prioritization As well as um, always the cost is is super important. So I think that's what we've got here Okay, let's say go back There you go So, I'm not sure what time we've got I think we've got four minutes for questions. There you go Oh Well, so the deal is I'll speak for I have no authority on anything so everything I say has no impact on anything So I'll say absolutely yes And the answer is as she said she doesn't even control it yet because she doesn't have funding So until she gets funding and authorization, nothing even happens on that side But I think you're right. I think the the argument that I can make as to why it makes sense I can easily show you back the metrics if I said here's rhoda island And what what did we do as I said being a cheater? I started at the highest point I could so I stole everything I even stole all the performance stuff. There's no end to what I'll steal I even dropped in on Steven's, you know, occupy work groups just to say I need to know more So I stole everything I could I'm really good at that and knowing that I steal a lot I can say here's the value what I brought back because I can show you what it would have cost infosys to build all this without that So the fact that I was smart to steal it all says hey, he's a smart guy more importantly in effect If I gave back we built something useful and we donated back some contribution back to add into that pile I'd say look what we did we stole 95 of it and we gave 5 back. That's the cost So if I got 10 million in value and I contribute $150,000 of benefit back to open source It's a ridiculous payback, right? And that's the beauty of it. So in my every company I've worked at has failed to do a good job of working with open source communities like Lenox foundation hyper ledger and so on and forget hyper ledger But even the bigger ones Apache Lenox foundation all the ones that have been around a while And you say my god the economics are insane You get so much out of those groups and no matter what you're producing on the other side You're paying back a very small value into that So the the reverse of these say well, we don't have to do that What's going to happen is we're not stealing from the groups anymore You get the we're building it in-house which is an insane idea So I have lived everywhere where we built stuff over and over in fact I was famous at IBM Because I invented the reinvent the wheel award which I handed out liberally to everybody at IBM all the time So well, I'll just add that you know, so we did so we finished our project June 30th We received two and a half million dollars in funding and that's another thing you have to worry about is it's not like I could just say hey, I need some money to do this project I've got to come up with a proposal That's due at the end of september that gets vetted that hopefully goes into the legislature in january Which gets voted on june and then I get the dollars in july for an idea that I came up with in April of the following the year before right so it just takes a long time to get those dollars now again We got our we got our first two and a half million We now know we're asking for a minimum of five million on an ongoing basis But if I don't get it for one year The project dies for a year until I can get somebody interested back in it That's how tough that's how tough it is for us to get the those projects going but it would be our intention to keep it open source That's a good question. I think it depends on how our rfp goes We haven't decided what we're going to do there I think we want to take the same idea and build it and grow it But the question is whether we have to start from scratch or not I think that will depend on procurement. So another good point of we had a company with a contract That's over now. I have to re rfp it out. It might be the same company. It might be a different company and that will change things In a sense there is an application that was built under contract for the state so the state owns the work product I'm guaranteed. I haven't read the contracts. I know they own the work product. It belongs to the state period So that's not an issue. The issue is I guess maybe your question is getting back to is there anything from that that would be worth contributing back? I'm not sure there is. I don't know that that's the case The reality is if you look at what bc gov and the other guys have already done I can't say that we extended the boundary. What we did is reapplied it to a different use case for sure And so it would really be her team that would have to not only do the rfp But did the assessment is there anything at this point worth contributing back? So I don't have an answer to that John on the blue Well that part of it for sure So there's there's an enterprise wallet that has in a sense all of the credentials and the identities that's been issued And you of course got everything recorded on a blockchain But then you have your own individual wallet that has your identity and the credentials you've been issued You know for that for what it's worth Yeah, we did it with a mobile app We did a simple one the the default one that they already had from bc gov was using xamarin Which is not the world's best mobile technology, but it was built and we modified it. So It has the credentials that we've issued so your identity is in that wallet Your cpa licenses in that wallet for sure In that mobile wallet Any other questions? Oh, absolutely Rarely how government works You know the the covet dollars were a little bit different That's that's kind of how we're going to get the project started, but no it would be an every year It is it is rare for them to invest long term There are different mechanisms that might be helpful to me, but on an ongoing basis I'm only going to be able to know that I can commit to so much per year I might get lucky I might not it depends probably on election cycles who's in charge Whatever problems du jour are still going on in government You know not yet this was this was hard enough, right? You know, especially during the we this was the only thing I did besides covet work for two years and We wanted to do so much more hence the not promoting our success But it would be our intention to to do a much better job next time So it's my understanding that nobody else in america is doing anything like this from an identity perspective However, there are other government entities doing a variety of different blockchain projects But nothing with an identity base and and yeah, so to be honest I did a lot of research not just for them But also after that in the public sector space looking at all the states and trying to drive into where they were an identity There were a lot of states doing a form of digital identity Which mostly boiled down to digital driver's licenses, which I don't know it's 15 or 20 states have them It's nothing like this at all as a technology zero So like if you look at the benefits of this that she was going through not just the efficiencies But the trust in a sense in all of those models the privacy controls And none of those other identity projects are touching this So I was as I tell everybody the luckiest guy in the world To stumble into getting to work with liz and her team on trying to implement something that is really different So to be fair, yes, we didn't invent it. I personally said let's steal it all which they did But the beauty is it was great stuff and a completely different model for how to manage identity credentials Privacy consent trust and all of that stuff and it's automating digital trust at a much higher level The other governments, she's right. They do blockchain They do digital identity and it's nothing like this for sure And that's why I think this thing has a lot of legs, you know, thanks to all the work that you guys did as well Um that in the long term this is going to be a solution that really wins It'll take a while. It's going to wind up being paired identity solutions for a long time But there's no doubt that the technology is a winner It's not just a winner from a control and a governance perspective in terms of what it can do But it's a huge winner from a productivity perspective across the board So if you look at the use case they did it's ridiculous They were even able to automate the fact that when I got hired as a cpa into that firm It automatically update the state to say yes, they now comply with the right regulations for the number of cpas So they were doing all these cool things that are all manual today So if she invites me I'd go to the state legislature and say you guys are nuts not to invest in this stuff You know what that brings up a really good point is the legislation piece Um if you want to do a digital digital driver's license pretty much every state would require a legislative change for that Right and that's to a certain extent once a year for most states It doesn't sometimes it's every other year. It doesn't even happen every year So until you pass the legislation You know, you're kind of stuck so finding projects to keep the project going that are smaller and can again build some excitement And have people want to be a part of you know, the hub and spoke model It's it's just a lot harder in government to get things done Not my department, but I'm happy Well listen why everyone thank you very much, um if you if you see stuff that you think I'd be interested in I'm always a big fan of please send it to me if you think it's really good stuff because we're always again Beg borrowing and stealing from everybody else. Um, and I'll be it tonight at the event if anybody has questions then Thank you very much