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No, was it well Roger didn't do the impressions. That's good Everyone's happy. Here we go Daily Tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to daily tech news show dot-com slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Friday July 22nd 2016. I'm Tom married joining me today I as act are senior associate editor at scene at calm and the guy from Queens Network Where you do many shows as well. How's going man? I'm good actually skies from Queens Network I'm a guy from Queens, but I'm in Manhattan now I'm very happy today guy from Queens now I see why it was written that way because there's no plural got it right just making sure that's that's my That's my tag right now. Anyway, I can stop saying things like that We should talk tech let us talk tech lemper Alta is here to illustrate it as well And we've given you another financial acquisition Hey, you know not even a finished one You know what? It's gonna be very very interesting. I am ready for any anything you throw at me So let's let's do it. I can't wait to do the sales force earnings report as your Friday illustration subject Today is not that day Today Pokemon Go finally launched in Japan with McDonald's as a sponsor hosting gym locations Apple tells the verge that Pokemon Go has become the most downloaded mobile app in its first week after release in App Store history There there's all your Pokemon news bundled together in one skippable package now for the rest of the top stories I Had a Stanford and artificial intelligence meeting in Vidya Which obviously provides GPUs that a lot of AIs are gonna run on Announced its GTX Titan X video card will arrive August 2nd in the United States. It'll sell for $1200. It's also coming to Europe They didn't give us a European price though. It's Pascal architecture It can do 11 teraflops of FP 32 performance a 24% jump over the 1080 and 60% over the previous Titan X It's got a GP 102 chip has 3584 CUDA cores runs at 1.531 gigahertz boost also has 12 gigabytes of GDDR 5x memory They air with some thought that maybe they'd go HPM to this time But they didn't runs it an effective 10 gigahertz and is Attached to a wide 382 bit bus resulting in 480 gigabytes per second of memory bandwidth and it draws the same max DP of 250 watts that it did before I can connect my display port 1.4 HDMI 2.0 B and dual link DVI and I is I'm not tired of talking about new Nvidia cards, but I might get that way soon because this is the fourth new card released in two months 1200 bucks. I'm sure it can do everything under the Sun ever I have to like kind of parse out all of the things you said though because my head's gonna explode Yeah, no I mean if you're not if those things mean something if you're like way into video cards, right? But if you're the average person on the street, it means hey for $1,200 you get a really powerful card The most powerful card Nvidia has put out in the past month And and maybe this is part of the strategy makes the 1080 look cheap suddenly Absolutely. The other thing is like it always it's always helpful when they have cool names, you know GTX Titan X Yeah, I mean this is the prosumer card. It's more than a gamer really needs It's more than even a professional gamer probably really needs the 1080s fine for that but if somebody wants to do more Complex things with their machine and they're not really gonna spring for server quality GPU or or something that that's really meant for like a supercomputer use Then this is right there in the middle for them. You can change them all right there Changed them all together make a super computer. We got let's see a red box spokesperson told Variety Thursday That has started testing its own streaming service called Redbox digital Redbox published an iPad app for the service Which will sell and rent video on demand a cast button shown in the App Store listing suggests it will work with Chromecast Variety says Redbox is also looking at Roku Redbox launched its Netflix like streaming service way back in 2013 with Verizon a different one that got shut down 18 months later Redbox's parent company outer wall reports earnings this Thursday. You think this is a competitor like a real legit thing Well the last time they did it it was kind of janky Partly because I don't think Verizon and Redbox really knew what they were wanting to do and it was a apples for apples comparison with Netflix and it didn't have the selection and it didn't have original content You know as Netflix's selection has been reduced over the years They've put in their own original content to balance that out I think this is a smarter play for Redbox to say hey folks who are used to buying or renting DVDs from our box You can now do it at home and it's the same thing you're buying or renting the DVDs right especially the rental part So so this this fits more with what Redbox does and it's a it's an easier bet because you just like sign some deals And then you share out the profits you still have to have the back end and the streaming and and that kind of DRM Management is tricky and that that can cause problems as well I'm curious to see when and if this launches Whether it will be part of ultraviolet because that would make it more interesting Yeah, they're up against right now that means itunes are up against voodoo some major players that have a lot of contracts I don't know if they have the pole to get those kinds of deals in place because one of the things that was a fault with Netflix When they didn't they don't do the exact same thing, but the catalog isn't very good It's not gonna make a difference whether their the price is good like you got to have really great titles to get people's attention and if people are used to the suggestion of The the catalog of movies at the Redbox is they want to see the same things because if it's a lesser quality Who's gonna want to use it? Yeah, and that's a good question It should be easier for them to strike deals for content since they're doing a store It's hard to get streaming deals streaming windows are often exclusive They're hard to grab which is one of the reasons that previous service ended up going away because it just couldn't get the Selection however movie studios usually want to sell their movies or rent them as many places as possible So they they shouldn't have as big of a deal. We'll see we'll see once it launches Tech crunches cake conger has an in-depth look at reddit and its internal struggles more than a dozen senior employees have left over the last Six months most recently vice president of marketing Celestine Maddie editorial director Vicki Chiang and HR generalist Nicole Jasmine Clark left the company a spokesperson told Tech Crunch that part of the reason for the departures is the company's Reorganizing its communications editorial video and marketing teams. That's a lot of teams would be reorganizing Congress sites sources describing a toxic corporate culture Including sexual harassment complaints from an against both genders. It's not just women complaining There's also men complaining as well and a lot of those complaints relate to drinking Alexis Ohanian returned to the company in November 2014. He's been pushing for expansion into podcast video Journalism started that digital magazine upvoted that has already been slated to be folded back into reddit The upvoted podcast and the formative video series are also no longer regularly publishing So it makes sense if they're reorganizing that that those would sort of go on hiatus and they might see a shuffle in those areas Reddit had 244 million unique visitors in April not bad That was its peak though It dropped to 221 million in May and it has not shared numbers since so we don't know if it went back up The one would assume if it went back up. They'd probably be sharing those numbers Yeah, it's a little depressing to read this story and see that reddit at least appears to be Internally falling apart if this report is accurate at all and just seeing all the changes up at top It the culture of reddit is changed You've seen enough Backlash to the higher ups and it should be this way it should be that way and it doesn't I don't know if the community Is happy with the way reddit's being presented these days or what information is being censored on different subreddits It's it's a really it's a because the community is so large The voice of the people has heard much more and there's all these people trying to figure out What does the community want? That's a really hard thing to figure out Yeah, and reddit's going through a more slow-motion version of what Twitter is going through as far as You have a lovely period where it grows naturally and everybody gets it who comes and uses it and then it starts to attract people who aren't used to the culture and More so than Twitter reddit culture is very ingrained is very easy for a new person to run A foul of that culture now most moderators in reddit are very understanding and will patiently explain well This is why this happened But a lot of times either the the person who runs a foul of the regulation doesn't get it and gets angry or you You have some short tempered mods out there as well And those kinds of problems have been multiplying It feels like over the past several years and we're starting to get a feeling of okay reddit Has it finished its ride up now it's leveled off and nobody has been able to Figure out where to take it next that sounds familiar that sounds like yahoo that sounds like twitter to me The other thing is that like there's nothing right now that can take over reddit's position I mean it was like way back when dig was a huge thing that reddit was kind of like counterculture thing That built its way up to the top Is there anything in the waiting that's sitting around saying hey look come over here because I remember when There was that whole shift at the top there were other sites that were trying to become the next reddit But nothing really took off Yeah, I mean in some cases that a lot of people feel reddit was the next dig, you know dig dig was popular first And and then it got supplanted by reddit and yet you're right There doesn't seem to be an obvious Place where you can go and do this because everybody moved to apps Uh and reddit has had a harder time moving into the app space as well They've got some decent apps now, but it took them a while to get there Yeah, they kind of dragged their feet on that one. Let's talk about the npd group They said that the playstation 4 is the top selling game console in the united states for june Sony confirmed this information to game spot now microsoft Yeah, they didn't release any numbers nintendo announced only a 39 increase in 3ds sales over may Overall console sales dropped 42 percent year over year in the united states from 313.1 million dollars To 181.5 million dollars game software dropped 20 percent year over year Overwatch was the best selling game in the u.s in june Microsoft did announce numbers. They were all about time spent playing Um, so not really comparable to sales figures, uh, and sony is eager to crow that it is the number one selling Console in the months that it is you only know that it's not in the months when it's not because it doesn't say anything But yeah, I It isn't surprising to see the sales slow down at this point in the evolution And it certainly isn't surprising to see microsoft possibly slowing down simply because they announced two new consoles So that that is going to degrade their sales for a couple months until at least the xbox one s comes out Yeah, microsoft needs to figure out what to do to somehow take on sony But sony's got their own neo waiting their newest playstation 4 that's supposed to be super powerful super awesome That should compete with i guess project scorpio which is next year's version of the xbox Which I still don't get why you would introduce two different versions at the same time essentially saying hey By the way the new thing that's coming out don't buy it because the next one is going to be awesome So I don't think that's going to help their sales. Well that greatly all although I hear that argument it makes perfect sense on paper, but at the same time What you're saying is i'm deferring sales to later And maybe that's okay if you're microsoft and your whole business doesn't count on whether xbox Actually, you know has great sales this month and in fact the xbox Live portion of the business did very well in the microsoft earnings report. It's bringing in money So you may say you know what it's fine If we don't boost the sales now because we're going to make more money off these new boxes later And we'll still make the money as long as we're only stealing sales from ourselves. That's okay Maybe they feel like it's worth the risk Well that assumes all things stay constant and if sony comes up with any killer application like their psvr If something that's just far and away better in that time between The introduction of scorpio and now sony can just take off they could come up with all kinds of peripherals Who knows maybe the nintendo and x could eat microsoft's lunch in the interim So like that's a big, you know big who knows that if that'll happen What if there's a hollow lens xbox one scorpio bundle? Okay, if and when that happens and if it actually works the way it's supposed to I'm this this looks like we're going to see some really interesting fighting here Especially with the way the xbox is turning into a windows pc Yeah, no, I think I think microsoft's holding cards close to its vest And that's why some of these things don't make sense I'm not saying the cards will make sense when they play them, but there's definitely cards yet to be played Fusion reports police in michigan asked michigan state professor professor anal giant to reproduce a murder victim's fingerprint From a pre-recorded scan in other words Can you 3d print this dead person's finger professor in order to help us unlock a phone? Researchers have achieved success with this method before this isn't the first time Someone's 3d printed a finger to unlock a phone, but it's been in a research situation This is believed to be the first time it would be used in an active investigation Verge reports that rose evilleth who wrote the fusion story says that they had to 3d print the finger Because the victim's body was too decayed to be used now Obviously, there's questions here about why it took so long for them to try to unlock the phone A lot of people speculate that no matter what phone it is It's likely to still ask for a password since it has been not unlocked for more than 48 hours and that is More common than not with phones these days But with all those investigatory procedural questions aside This is a significant moment to say hey 3d print a finger. We need to get into a phone It's a fascinating story because I've read in the headline a couple times. I'm like wait. What am I reading? I read the story and I'm understanding what's happening It just seems like something that would be out of a sci-fi movie maybe about 15 years ago Like oh, yeah, of course you print out the the dead person's finger Yeah, we can do that now and it's going to work too apart from that part of the passcode issue happening Which is a nice detail that I'm sure somebody in in in the comments on red It would be like That wouldn't have worked because there you go another piece to note here too is uh They had a pre-recorded scan of the finger because the murder victim had been arrested before And this ties into another story about police stations starting to do Not only fingerprint scans, but other kinds of biometric data collection That that may or may not they may or may not be being transparent about with people that have been arrested And apparently they did they did a scan of this this guy's finger. I would assume you would need more than just the normal fingerprint Practice to be able to print 3d print a finger that could unlock a phone Well, there's also that that means phones. You're hoping that they will they all gonna up their biometric game I think that the galaxy note 7 is rumored to have an iris scanner Maybe you want a lot more living options to have security with your phones That might become another push in the future as a feature like you know that 3d printer finger That's not going to work on the galaxy note 82 Because it's got a it's got a pulse sensor And there's no pulse the implanted chip in your wrist. It knows if you're dead or not So right dead men's switch. Well, that's why they do the the password after 48 hours It's it's a really low tech way of doing that to say look, you know Nobody's unlocked this phone in 48 hours. Let's assume that that fingerprint is not enough to get back into this phone I mean, even when you reboot a phone, they still say a fingerprint is not enough true Finally, what do we got here is? Um, I thought it was you hang on I just blew this thing out of the water Oh my bad. Sorry I'm using my ipad today. Uh, android police passed along a consumer reports note that samsung has identified And corrected a manufacturing problem that caused some galaxy s7 active models to have faulty water resistance. All s7 devices should now injured Up to five feet of water now some s7 actives failed water resistance tests of consumer reports and CNET Previously manufactured s7 actives will remain on shelves under a one-year warranty. We tried this out. We saw the report consumer reports And they did it with a pressurized chamber of water to simulate Just under five feet for 30 minutes. They found tons of water inside the screen and it just things were broken Yeah, this was like five foot of water But yeah, so so how do you feel about the fact that samsung is Saying we're going to leave those ones that didn't work on the shelves And uh, you know, maybe maybe you want to buy an extended warranty. I don't know But uh, but you've got a one-year warranty and that ought to be good enough They don't want to have to figure out which ones and what was the batch that was bad because if they fixed the manufacturing defect Anywhere between the introduction and the story coming public There's a chance that samsung might have known this is going on as long as they're honoring that warranty and saying Yeah, go ahead. Give us the phones. That's fine. I think if you have an s7 active right now Dunk it in some water right as long as you can Right now while you still can because you don't want to cover that's not something you want to go through Yeah, I'm wondering if if if that is like if you buy an s7 in the next month or two Like how long do you wait though? Because you don't really know when they're all flushed out Um, so to speak But I guess it doesn't matter because if you're getting one that works then it'll be fine And even if it's not fine, which it might not be you'll be able to get it replaced on a warranty But that would kind of dissuade me from wanting to buy one Knowing that unless I'm just like not concerned with water. I'm like whatever I had a phone that was not water resistant before I don't care Well the ads for AT&T say it's the toughest s7 there is and they show with water all the time So if that's why you're buying it think twice Yeah, well, you're actually supposed to uh pour champagne or perhaps a prosecco Or or a cava over it from what I can tell from the advertising. It's true. Yeah Uh, so yeah, you might you might want to keep that in mind, but samsung says they fixed it fixed it Thanks to all those who participate in our sub reddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show Dot reddit.com. We had great step in there today from russell manthee prince boots strike it rich one T2 t2 a u tiger fan on betweila kandil say and more Uh, you can let them just submit the stories or you can submit them yourself And everybody can vote doesn't take much time to just look through what's been submitted Make a few votes on the things that you think are very important at daily tech news show dot reddit.com That is a look at the top stories All right, so one of the other top stories today is that verizon is near to a deal to acquire yahu Uh bloomberg says this recode says this cmbc says this The price is rumored to be somewhere around five billion dollars. That would be more than we had heard we'd heard verizon Was offering somewhere around three billion dollars It also Wouldn't include the patents that yahu put up for sale back in june Originally, it was just the core business, but then they said, okay, we're going to sell our patents at an auction as well Thinking maybe we can get a combined deal for more They also put the real estate up for for sale and cmbc says that's not part of the deal The idea if verizon gets it would be they would pair yahu and aol together for all the advertising tech That those two companies have aol has made its name on advertising tech paired with their content offerings like tech crunching and gadget And yahu, uh, it has has pretty good advertising tech as well. It's one of the things that's kept them going There's also reports that yahu is still talking to dan gilbert's quick and loans berkshire hathaway contingent That's what a worn buffets backed Attempt to buy yahu it may be that they're still talking about them to keep those negotiations honest with verizon as they close them up It may be that gilbert's going to buy the patents since those might be available separately. We don't know i as What do you think of this whole mess as it starts to look like it's finally coming to the end? And marissa meyer will deliver yahu into verizon's hands Well, i mean the marissa meyer experiment has been interesting I have been looking at this for a long time I'm like is this technically a success if she gets the company sold because i'm pretty sure i've seen valuations of the company At least their core assets at zero to negative dollars at times because when you look at their investments in elli baba You look at their investments in yahu japan What they're worth is very little to so to sell off five billion dollars would be very interesting just on that standpoint alone Or or even three billion dollars, but The idea that verizon will go swallow them up and pair them up with aol and that kind of Media conglomerate because yahu's got their properties of content production. Also, they have their search and advertising business it just seems like It seems i don't want to say it's anti competitive But it's something about its smacks of danger to me when a company that owns the pipes Also, well, i guess the wireless pipes in this case as well has Content companies sure they have aol already and i thought that kind of smelled funny But now if they go pick up yahu on top of it, they'll have things like tumblr flicker As well properties that people don't really think about and yahu's search business Is still relatively robust. I think they have something like 200 million users still which is a lot of freaking people But you got email as well with them. So it's a really interesting data grab for verizon to have too But I just there's something about this deal that just or this potential deal that just smells funny to me Well in that respect it's nothing different than verizon buying aol. You're just saying it's more of the same And the competitive landscape most most people say that if verizon does get yahu They will now be one of the big three in adtech the other two being google and facebook both Google and facebook desperately want to become providers of internet connectivity Google obviously has google fiber in the united states But it is also active in funding backbone cables in a trans-pacific cable to be particular Facebook is out there building drones that can provide internet over rural areas now That's that's something that's a little farther off and it's not as endemic as buying backbone Trans-pacific cables, etc But all of these companies as companies always do are starting to consolidate things and I wonder as And sells off parts of its fios unit and and really starts to consolidate towards wireless as its main isp play They are going to specialize in mobile advertising. I would assume Does that change your opinion at all when you look at it that way? It makes me hope that if the deal does go through it gives a shot in the arm to someone like google or even facebook To go listen, we're going to come out full-fledged isp and wireless at the same time Like you've mentioned google's they have google fiber They've been kind of messing around with project lune as well This idea of getting internet to places that are far off But if google went ahead and went this whole hog, they're like listen, we're a national carrier now We've decided to take on verizon head on I wouldn't mind that but then again People will still have the same concerns if you're using a google branded phone on google branded wireless service with a discount They're taking all that data on you same thing verizon's probably going to be doing with your phones Like oh look at all the data we're getting from you. So it's still that kind of You're still the product. I mean you're the you're the thing that's being sold to everybody else to the advertisers So if anything if it brings about a google wireless future, I guess it's for the greater good But I don't know if I still like the deal Yeah, let's take a look at what's on the block if people are still trying to wrap their heads around What they're getting with yahoo what you're mostly familiar with is search and media And those are the two things we've been talking about the most here yahoo.com yahoo finance yahoo sports yahoo search But they also inflict or they own tumblr. They own a few other properties as well Then the ad tech is probably what verizon is most concerned with and one wonders if Would they start to close down yahoo properties would they merge yahoo properties into aol properties? But the ad tech they have is things like flurry and bright roll and those are the most valuable assets as far as verizon's concern There's the patent portfolio which it sounds like they may pass on that has been estimated to be worth one to three billion And there's the real estate which has been worth up to one billion what is not for sale What will be left of yahoo and it'll be interesting to see who gets to keep what parts of the name But what will be left of the original company yahoo will be a stake in yahoo japan And a stake in the alibaba group and possibly the patent portfolio in real estate if they don't sell them But they're not selling those stakes Because if you remember the idea was to sell off the alibaba stake and maybe the yahoo japan japan stake But the tax consequences scared shareholders enough that they decided to reverse it and say well Let's sell the rest of the company and keep the alibaba group and the yahoo japan stake Because that makes more sense tax wise I I think you may see The disassembling of a lot of these properties once for rising gets a hold of them It will be very curious and i've been curious to hear what you think i as Does marissa mayer stay on everyone thinks she probably won't uh does tim armstrong take over yahoo Is it merged under aol and once it is merged under aol if that happens What would he get rid of what parts would he no longer need to keep? Yeah, I would think aol and yahoo's media stuff would get merged right away I don't think mayer would want to be a part of this this weird thing It's kind of like when ted turner was a part of that whole time one or aol thing He just didn't didn't really like being there because he's not the head of this thing Marissa mayer came to yahoo to really build it. It wasn't like hey, I got a great way I'm gonna get a golden parachute. It looked like when she stepped in she wanted to make this a viable contender Against google which I thought was a very admirable goal. Unfortunately, that didn't happen So I don't think she'll stay around just to hang around the the office and the water cooler Because she's the lady who didn't do it. I just don't think that's going to be her thing I'm sure she'd do a new venture that'd be amazing But I could see a lot of the properties just being consolidated under aol Things like yahoo finance and yahoo email that kind of stuff you leave that alone Although email's obviously very separate, but the bigger names I don't see why you'd have all this redundancy and certain Certain sections so you could see a lot of merging happening. I'd imagine with this kind of deal if it goes through Now, yeah, some of you may be tempted to say well, I just shut it all down It's worthless. Don't forget as of february 18th, yahoo reported one billion Monthly active visitors and we talk about, you know companies getting to a billion monthly active visitors as if they're like the biggest dominant thing Yahoo has that they've had that for a while. They have 600 million monthly unique visitors on mobile So as many problems as they have they are a very Successful company as they are right now. They're just not moving in the right direction And maybe that's what tim armstrong could do for them Maybe that's what verizon could do from them. But because of that perception that they are they're in decline rather than growth Let's let's finish with a little comparison and and apologies to you former yahoo employees including our own senior advisor Jenny josephson. Yeah, who was worth 255 billion in 2000 uh Microsoft offered 45 billion for all of yahoo in 2008 now that included the alibaba steak in the ahu japan steak but still Verizon bought aol last year for 4.4 billion dollars also a company that had been worth a lot more in the past yahoo Was valued at 34 billion in 2016 So less than the 45 billion that microsoft had offered Uh eight years before but that 34 billion was in almost entirely the steaks in yahoo japan and alibaba So When yahoo goes up for sale on february 2nd, they're hoping cnn reported They wanted to get 8 billion the floor was thought to be 6 billion And then june 10th recode reported 3 billion to 5 billion were the bids They said verizon was billing something around three three and a half billion the equity firms were wanting to get the patent So they were up in the bid to 5 billion and now looks we might we might settle at 5 billion Which on the one hand ias feels like verizon over bidding just to get it done But on the other hand is an incredible discount from what this company used to be worth It's weird to even think about a 5 billion acquisition as Cheap I mean star wars was bought and lucas fell for 4 billion dollars marvel comics was bought by disney for 4 billion dollars as well The ufc was sold for 4 billion dollars this thing although they were kind of like meandering in some respects Like you've mentioned the amounts of Declined the tap into yahoo because they were the like the king of the heap You would just go to yahoo all the time even the old original directory days before search engines were really really good yahoo was like They were ahead of everybody and they just somehow got bloated and bloated and bloated And they couldn't figure out exactly what to do So I think the the problem is people are comparing yahoo to google which google has got like the success level is just ridiculous If you compare something like yahoo to like aol maybe that is more in line with them And maybe together or whatever thing comes out of the two of them together Maybe that will be better than them separated. Yeah, they're from the same era It is not lost on me that we now think of aol It took a while But we now think of aol as that company that owns the huffing to post Engaged in tech crunch and and does a lot of ad tech versus the isp which they still have Apparently people still pay for But that is the smallest part and of course the declining part of the business Can yahoo make that same turnaround and I guess that's where I would want to leave this is If you are a user of yahoo mail and a lot of you are if you are somebody who still has yahoo as their home Pager goes to yahoo news regularly like my wife does or reads yahoo finance plays yahoo fantasy sports You have a vested interest in somebody saving this company because you want to keep using that thing you enjoy Let's uh get to our our anti pick of the day instead of a pick of the day I as has something that he wants to say, you know what you really shouldn't pick Oh, here's why now a while ago. I did a top five and you for top five I did top five about like some of the best chrome Extensions you can get and one of the ones I recommended was a tab manager called tab manager for google chrome I really liked it It was a great way to manage your tabs on multiple windows and and you can rearrange things greatly The problem is it was recently purchased by another company that is now injecting adware into your web pages Screwing up all kinds of functionality. So if you have it on my old recommendation Do me a favor and yourself a favor uninstall that thing because it screws up lots of different sites And I would suggest using something like tab man tabs manager for now It's not as good. I don't think as what the old tab manager was But if you like having that kind of control, it's better because there's no adware Also means you gotta double check the permissions these things are asking for because I didn't notice The change to it until there was all kinds of like Parameter errors appearing on my screen and I couldn't figure out for the life of me what's going on So don't pick up tab manager. Try tab man instead That's that that is actually just as good as a pick to say like hey and and Trust us. We're not accusing this extension of malicious behavior We're just saying it now operates differently than you would expect and so what I has once recommended He can't recommend anymore and here's some other options I actually use tabs plus as an extension on chrome to manage tabs. So there you know the point is there There's lots of them out there Send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks I got a few messages here a couple of them still about a dr. M on tractors But let's start with one that's about smartwatches. We mentioned that market has seen a decline already But the market's still small enough. It's hard to know what to make of that Matt writes I've been a pebble wearer since their first Kickstarter campaign and have become known as an evangelist in the office Yesterday a co-worker saw my pebble time round and asked. Oh, did you finally give up on the pebble? I showed him that it was not just a timepiece But actually a pebble as I scrolled him through my calendar If you want a smart watch smartwatch that is slim and looks like a watch matt says this is it I like the pebble time round. It's it looks pretty neat. It has a really large bezel So it's it's got a great battery life, too So it's a trade-off right now between what a smartwatch is if you want an android thing Do you want an ios thing? Or do you want a pebble? Yeah Good good to see a smartwatch fan and I love that story of like, oh, so you gave up on the pebble And he's like no the pebble just got so good. You can't even tell it anymore Uh, dustin wrote in and said in addition to being an it for living my family owns a farm and many john dear tractors So I want to bring up a point. I don't think you mentioned on the show tractors are getting more and more automated There is a huge amount of money being invested by all the big ag equipment companies into the software that drives this And it's being seen internally as more and more of a product in itself When you ask them to open source the software you're asking them to lay bare millions of dollars and years of effort to their Competitors in an easy to read format. Uh, and I went back and forth with some emails with dustin about this Uh, I apologize if I led people to believe that the anti dr. M or the circumvention exemption Push in Nebraska was asking for source code. They're not there's no one asking john dear to do anything They don't have to open their source code. They don't have to do anything All they're saying is we would like to be able to circumvent copyright protection You don't have to get into the source code to circumvent copyright protection For instance, if an itunes movie is dr. M'd You can use the analog loop To just play it and record it and you've circumvented copyright protection But that would be illegal under the dmca So all they're asking is hey don't make it illegal for us to figure out How to work around this if we want to get some codes about what's happening in the software No one is asking john dear to open source their code now We could go into a different conversation about whether that might be a good idea for john dear to do anyway lots of companies open source their code and don't worry about Uh, and losing trade secrets or losing business In fact whole businesses are built on that like red hat and microsoft is open sourcing code right and left and making lots Of money so maybe john dear could do that too, but that's a separate issue Nobody's saying john dear should open source the code You know, I haven't had a long in a long time. I didn't realize john dear equipment got so awesome But yeah, it's total aside. So that's a great point One of the reasons there's this debate is because john dear tractors are pretty great Like the fact that they can do all of this automation stuff Uh makes people like hey, but you know when when something breaks down It's a pain to have to take it all the way to the dealer to find out just like what it's doing Like maybe there would be an easier way. Maybe not we talked about that on previous shows Uh, and finally allison sheridan pointed out. Let's say your john dear is too old And now john dear decides to stop supporting its software That software hasn't been as integral long enough that I don't know that this has come up that often Uh, maybe you as the farmer could keep it working If it wasn't a punishable offense to modify your own software instead of having a $250,000 law ornament Uh, and again people have pointed out like you don't have the interest and or the large number of people invested in making the software to provide like The cyanogen mod of tractors So may or may be may that may or may not end up being something that happens But right now it would be illegal for it to happen anyway It had to be like a green mod right because I didn't just well cyan color. So it'd be greenogen mod Yeah, it would what's a fancy name for green I can only think of spanish like verde verde mod Cerulean no, that's blue too. All right. Uh, well that is it for this episode of the daily tech news show I as act are where can people find more of what you do online? Lots of places to go to cnet.com or you can go to gfq network.com You can go to twitter.com slash is or if you know the shows i'm doing on the side to patreon.com slash is because i'm doing some stuff Absolutely, go do that. Uh, len peralta has been busy illustrating our main topic today poor yahu len. What have you come up with? Yes, well, you know, uh It's very interesting, you know, it's very simple drawing basically of the v Which is verizon eating the y which is yahu And we'll talk more about it if you're part of the video show you should you should listen I'll talk to you a little more about the The image itself But just real quickly I wanted to do something because I hadn't seen I as in a while when I would go When we do I as uh Do drawings with I as there I would always do these sort of interesting You know kind of editorial type stuff. So that's where that keeps Anyway, yeah, and that is definitely representing the spirit of yahu's investors Yes, in the middle of that. Why you gotta take a look at it len peralta store.com if you want to take a look That's right Thanks to everyone who supports the show We are supported entirely by you if you're willing to support the show Head to daily tech news show dot com slash support or patreon dot com slash dts Some of you support us in both financial and non financial ways We have a vimeo channel now. Thanks to listener philip shane You can go find it at vimeo dot com slash channels Slash dts for those of you who like to use vimeo You can now find dts there our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can give us a call 51259 daily catch the show live monday through friday 4 30 p.m Eastern on diamond club dot tv and alphic radio dot com and visit our website daily tech news show dot com Veronica belmont's back from vacation. She'll be with us monday. Talk to you then The show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com So we're gonna pick a headline uh title for the show real quick that i definitely want to talk some more about your uh Your drawing like that's amazing really good Uh, what what what should we pick roger? Do you have any favorites? Um, can you hear me? I can hear you There was a really let me see yahoo Can you y'all yahoo me now and then there was one that was after yahoo horizons buying altavista That was pretty funny Oh, ever to the other yahoo one. Did it go away? What can you can you yahoo me now? Yeah, i think hop now Okay, yes, oh it moved. Yeah, can you yahoo me now? Oh, and i like can i like that. Let's go let's go with that one now Perfect, uh, hey, so Len yes, tell us who the um that angry the screaming spirit of yahoo Yeah, you know, um, i sort of got into it here in the during the show But when i found out that ias was going to be a part of the show whenever i would do these drawings for uh, uh The you know the the show we shall we not we shall not do today. Okay, you can say its name Um, you know you said with your tech news today, um I used to do these drawings that were that were very editorial in nature And uh, and so i looked at the story and i thought Well, this is very this is a very simple idea and what i looked what i loved about it was that the Verizon sort of has this You know, it's two letters. It's the v and then the y And it just kind of makes this interesting this this interesting look that actually worked And uh, my little contribution is to to make it i couldn't help but make it Um, you know personify the y and the v Where does aol colored teeth You know, you know, i didn't even think about that You know, uh, you're usually yellow, isn't it? Uh, aol is Oh my gosh, those could i i know you didn't intend this but those could be little aol yogos You know after you said that they were gonna kind of combine Uh, yahoo and aol like oh, maybe i should work that in there too, but maybe i kind of sublimally did Yeah, you sort of did anyway, uh, but it was a it was this was a lot of fun And uh, you know, i wanted to do something that was uh, that was simple Uh, yet very violent. I love Thanks Yahoo has been it has been violenced Yes Like in the press in the markets like it has not had an easy time and this does seems like how they would feel right now For sure. Yeah, it's uh, it was this was a lot of fun I think for the for the simplicity of the verizon logo to make it that vicious looking That is some great work because it looks I mean, there's there's no motion, but it looks like it's devouring this thing. Yes, such a great great piece Yeah, thanks That you know, I was when I went to google the verizon logo I that's the first thing I thought of was like, well, what does this logo look like? How can I how can I knew I wanted to do something that was going to be attacking the yahoo? Eating it up so to speak it's It almost looks like a shark if you tilt your head like your your signature is the eye Yahoo A lot of fun a lot of fun But yeah, so very cool And uh, it is available in my online store right now if you're interested in getting this as sort of a reminder of this This day in history Great to have in case the deal doesn't go through it's like remember when this almost happened. Yeah It's if you if you work for yahoo or verizon this I want yeah, I would especially if this goes through I would like every yahoo employee to have this in their Back of their business cards. That's what I want to see yahoo a subdivision of Verizon this is the new logo everyone Yeah, this was a lot this was a lot of fun, you know, it's funny because what do you you say? Oh, yeah, this you're giving me um You know material that it's like really really hard to work with but I usually find that those things are like You always turn it around you always come up with something great Yeah, it's fun. This was this was a lot of fun What I also like too is that the why just sort of made those kind of crazy arms reaching out Which was sort of like a happy accident. So it just it was yeah, and the exclamation point even just now has a whole new meaning It does And of course the the yahoo, you know turning that into a scream. Yeah, no, it's almost representative of the past eight years Well, as long as they keep yahoo mail running Oh, you still have a yahoo mail again. I use it. I use it for certain For certain transactions online that are spammy Yeah, I use it for the same thing. I've I've moved almost all my really important stuff over Other accounts, but I still have a few things that I have a I have like my utility bills that go there. Oh interesting. I don't have anything like that. That's serious stuff Give me like my water and gas and electricity. You kind of need that Yeah, but I also get I get a notice in my bank too Oh, okay, so it's just the backup then The the thing is the their yahoo the that email is probably the It's probably one of the few bright spots that they could do something with They've actually done some really interesting things with it the past couple years too It's one one area that marissa meyer's influence. I think has been very positive It's very it was very google like in many ways. Yeah Oh man I just got my the notice that my think up subscription has been cancelled. Oh, no No, it's because they they um, they're closing the company I love to think up We're sorry to see you go. I'm sorry to see me go too Hey, this is a plug for uh, a netflix show. I'm sure everybody's heard about it But stranger things if anybody if somebody's not watching stranger Six. Oh my gosh Oh my gosh, what I can't wait till season two. I just hope they don't run into a sophomore slump But man boy. Oh boy. What a great show that is Yeah, I I can't wait to see how it how it ends actually Oh, oh, okay. So it's six. Yes. Yeah, I'm two episodes away from the end. I haven't seen a single episode Oh my gosh, if you are a fan of steven king Spielberg um, the goonies Uh, they wear it on their sleeve too, which I've heard I've heard the same thing from lots of people And I'm just waiting to get to it like yeah, we just finish like we we're finishing a whole bunch of shows and like then we still I think we've missed a robot next which we have never seen which is weird And it's all on amazon right now. So the first season anyway, it'd be nice to catch up to that while season two is happening right now so like That's those are the priorities the stranger things we'll have to know I have the same shows where like stranger things is One where I lean wanted to watch a two and so it kind of jumped to the front of the queue But there are plenty of shows handables one that people have been telling me for years Like this is a great show. You have to watch it. I want to And it's just only so many hours in the day when i'm not podcasting Yeah, someone else told me, uh, narcos is supposed to be good I watched a few episodes of narcos and loved it, but then I just ran out of time for it Well, the other thing is narcos like unless you speak spanish You know how you do like a second screen. I always have a second second screen open, right? Oh, yeah, no, you can't do that with a second screen It is its own second screen unless you're Spanish isn't that good So like I have to like look up from time to time and i'm like dammit. I have to like completely pay attention to this I can't watch the show That's funny because I completely pay attention to every show I watch Really, you know Scroll on your phone or twitter Eileen does she's just sit there on facebook every once in a while. She has to ask me what happened When I watch tiny tiny house nation, I don't think I need that much attention Okay, we're watching house hunters the same thing This is the stuff I watch like I watch a lot of brain dead shows because I'm I'm exhausted In the end I'm like, you know what I could I could probably take care of banking while the show is on at the end I'm like look at that I went through a tiny house nation thing a couple weeks ago Uh, and you know what it just infuriated me as my new hate watch show. What what did you hate the show? Oh, I just I I just the people on it the ones like they're so they're so smug They're so infuriating It's tiny luxury is the worst one tiny luxury. They're also No, you're talking about I think my wife hates that show because there's a level of pretension in all those people Yeah, that would literally fill up five of those tiny houses Here's why I enjoy the show not you're right about the people on it Like I live in a new york city apartment and I'm like, you know what I'm gonna look for some ideas for smaller places Uh, and if I ever wanted to have like a second home somewhere I'm like, you know, could I live in a 500 square foot place? I'm like, yeah, I did that for about two years so Why not see what options are out there? But you're right. There is this like south park style pretentiousness or No, you know what bothers me is they actually get to see their tiny house and they go, oh my gosh It's so spacious and I'm thinking why do you care? Why is that important to you? Obviously that's your values Why don't you just buy an air street or like get a trailer that that can expand out the ones that expand And just you know, hey, you can go that route just go go that route I think the I think the the one that really infuriated me was this couple in seattle They had oh, yeah It is a seattle or portland. There was a there was a A couple that lived this hipster couple lived in this house and they wanted to Build a tiny house in their backyard live in the tiny house and then Rent out the large house but They they loved having parties and they always had their friends crashing and like having wine parties and they'd like sleep So it's really important that we're able to have Like these are friends over on our tiny house And I'm like, well, why don't you just like build a tiny house rent that out and stay in the big house Why don't you just Stay in the big house and deal with the fact that what you want and what you need to do Is well what you think you want and what you actually do or oh, you know, it's even better Why don't you just confine yourselves to one room in your big house and there's your tiny house Well, it's sort of like do you really want to bring your bathroom right next to where you eat? Like it's just I don't know. There's something about it's the composting toilet thing that I'm like, no No 100% nope Those are not cheap We had we had composting toilets in my law school Vermont law school and they had them like on every floor So basically there was like a pit At every seat and it's like you realize that if you drop your id phone wallet or whatever it's gone Like gone gone This isn't like I would left it in the toilet and like oh, I can dry it out with some rice. No, no, no So just put that burn that thing. Yeah, it's over but back then there weren't smartphones like there are now So that's a whole that's a different hole. Yes I mean I I understand the need to downsize and I do agree that a lot of homes being built today are much too large Right for even a standard family of four maybe even five people But like at the same time you're going I think the exact opposite that there's a limit especially if you have kids Yeah, kids having a kid you realize some space like their own space It's so weird There's one that like there was like this teenage girl and like their parents So their their bedrooms were on two different lofts on two different sides and it's like, you know You're only separated by about like five feet, right? Like I don't know about you, but where I'm from sound travels so You got it. You got to dampen some of this because it's just I have no place of existence The the the best part about that one couple from Seattle is that when they find like they had like kind of like An epilogue to show like what what how they liked it and like all this is terrific Although there's this huge ladder in the middle of our house that we have to kind of step over because They wanted a dining room table and the only way they could do a dining room table is if they had this pulley system Oh, right They put it on their ceiling and then they had to pull it down To eat and then that made no room and then they had to add like there was no shelving in their kitchen So like they couldn't they could not open the refrigerator and the oven at the same time Like it was just it was ridiculous and then they were complaining not really They were complaining But they said they weren't complaining that there was all this great storage underneath their bed in their loft But in order to get to it, they had to lay it across the bed to open it up to put everything You know what they should know they should do a follow-up in five to six years And see how many how many of those tiny homes are either backup or sale? Yes. Well, there's not you can't sell them That's not an investment. It's not like you're going to sell that thing, right? That's not You sell it to the next guest on tiny house headers There you go Or do you know what you do you turn it to an Airbnb and just say I I made a horrible horrible lifestyle change And it did work out because you know what you can't you can't have your cake and eat it too No, you know what the epilogue should be roger. It should be like Uh When they put those tiny wheel those tiny homes on wheels and the first time they go driving They should put a camera inside to show all these knickknacks falling off their walls I didn't realize the show it struck a chord with so many people It just I hate I just showed I I used to like property brothers, but now I just find it's very No, I like that I do it's formulaic But I do like those guys because they actually That's why I could watch something else when I watch house hunters or property brothers because I know what's going to happen But they still pull me in and I still find myself like oh, but I want to know what it looks like when they're coming And you know what they all look like the same Ikea a renovated home with it's all about the open space It's all about the open plan. Yeah, and you know what sometimes you don't want an open space If you're a bad cook, I can guarantee you want some doors to close The window to blow out that birdfish or something how many people really make use of those open kitchens Like they all say they're going to I'm sure some of them do But most people don't cook these days. I'm going to entertain myself. It's like no It was so funny because actually I got called out by somebody who uh on twitter because I was I was tweeting about how Much I hated these tiny house shows and someone in in SoCal was like Well, you know, this is a really really viable idea and I said, yeah, but I don't you know It's just not for me because they're like well, of course because you have all these kids I'm like, yeah, but it's just it doesn't make these sensors. You can't get away from anybody and his his thing was Well, uh here in here in california the outdoors so you can just leave you can go outdoors I'm like, so I gotta leave my house every time I want to get away from somebody like We lived in an eichler house in san rafael and the whole point was like you've got outdoor living And yeah, even though the weather's great sometimes you just don't want to be outside No one to have to there's bugs out there and noise. It's windy some days. You get stuff dropping on you It's loud, you know, the neighbor's doing But I'm seriously like I I still enjoy being out there sometimes But you can't really make that a room in your house because it's not always prime Right, you don't go out there I didn't go out there much when it was dark because having lights on attracted bugs and so like you say sometimes it's raining sometimes it's windy like Yeah, it doesn't rain anymore in california. So I guess that's all that doesn't rain anywhere. It's so dry everywhere No, but I I I loved the tiny house hunters thing the first time I saw it I think it was on like fyi network or something because I love that idea of efficiency But the same reason I as was saying like being able to make the most of your space is awesome And I think that's the the the motivating that's the fun part of it That's the good part of is like hey where we live very wastefully sometimes We don't make good use of our space, but yeah that it often becomes Their own personal value system That's a little bit ridiculous. It is it is and I also love when they when they come into they have They focus on somebody who is a as a collector and it's like well, we have to pair it on your collection Oh, I'm gonna have to buy myself a second tiny It's gonna look a lot like a tough shit. I'm gonna have a tiny shed behind the tiny home That's another show Tiny mortars she's shed is the show she said she said Yeah, he said wait. He said she shed is after the show title actually the show is called even tinier house There's a real show eyes. Yeah, that's a real show on fyi right now. He said she shed and it's hard for me to say How they both need to shed but they have different needs for their It's essentially like, you know a man cave or like I guess I don't know what they call a man cave for a woman a room I don't whatever you want to call it I'm not trying to insult anybody. What do you call it? No, I don't yeah No, the man cave is kind of a dumb name, but that's a term right? I've heard that it's essentially the same thing It's supposed to be like a shed for each person I haven't watched a single episode yet. So because I'm right now if my guilty even guiltier than tiny house nation is um Bargain beachfront property I like that show. Okay. That's that what that what sounds interesting to me though Yeah, because it's like what you can spend like only like a hundred and thirty five five thousand dollars to be on the beach and like Okay, all right. I should learn to swim but okay There is by the way on netflix there is a tiny house show where they they have this woman who is in southern california Who is a sound therapist? Uh, I like the end of those people Yeah, she's a sound therapist and she's like total flaky Um, and she wanted this tiny house because she loved everything small And I think she ended up buying a yurt for something and oh wow one of the yeah And then she said she said oh, this is great. I love that they have this little kitchen But I want to use it for something else because I'll put my kitchen outdoors The same thing with her bathroom I want my bathroom outdoors because I want to use the room inside my yurt for something else I'm like, okay. Yeah, that's that's what you want You want to go to the bathroom outside and you want to you know when the coyotes and stuff comes I don't want the bathroom in my yurt Well, I don't that's the same thing It's like I this is my vision of tiny homes is they do the tiny home thing And then the epilogue is this hipster guy with this old tiny curly mustache and a top hat Drinking a martini in a very very small bathtub with his wife's butt next to him going to the bathroom because that's It's real small and he but you're an hipster. Thank you for next week's illustration folks That's staff I should just draw that for sure. Yeah, you should For tubs and giggles. All right, uh, I'm gonna wrap us up here. Thanks everybody for watching Like I said Veronica back on Monday. We will see you then thanks again you guys All right Very cool