 Good morning. Good afternoon and good evening everyone and thank you so much for joining the webinar this morning for the reverse environment degradation African Asia Programme Grand Call And in the interest of time, I'm just going to get going with the agenda today So before we get cracking I just want to introduce everyone that's we've got on the call from the reddit team So we've got myself as that's Jonathan has looked on the UK Power and Commonwealth and Development Office We've got on the international institute for environment development reddit team. We have James Mayers Who will be speaking today? Beth Down who's also speaking today on Q&A support. We have Steve Bass and Janine Duthey Ali Brown will be providing support if you've got any questions about technical issues Melanie Vellpray and Rosalind Goodridge are also on the line and we answer any questions that are relevant to them So what we're going to do today is we're going to have Overview the program that'll be led by James We're going to talk through the first grand call and that will be led with Beth and James We'll have 30 minutes for questions that answers So we'll be taking them from the Q&A button that and Steve and Janine will be helping feel that Towards us all as part of the reddit team and then we'll have five minutes the end as a quick wrap up And where to find out more information about the research call So I'm going to pass this out over to James now. James is going to provide an overview of the reddit program Thank you very much John and hello everybody The reversing environmental degradation in Africa and Asia program reddit for short is a UK FCDO program and it's being delivered in partnership with International Institute for Environment and Development IID We've commissioned or carried out 12 different scoping studies reviewing evidence and opinion making recommendations and these have really helped shape the reddit strategy They're all on the website and I do urge you to have a look at them We've also consulted on the findings of these studies With a range of people and have co-designed the the main elements of reddit Strategy with some key institutions in Southeast Asia South Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa And the reddit strategy that we have come up with through this process identifies the program's role as supporting and catalyzing research communications and action By locally led initiatives To help people in nature thrive together in a changing climate Enabling people to use nature sustainably Be more resilient to climate change and enabling nature to moderate local weather and global carbon and red I will try and do this through a program of Competitive grant calls technical support to grantees and spreading the knowledge generated red our grants will fund locally led initiatives initiatives that support indigenous peoples and local communities that positively address action for nature and climate and gender equality and social inclusion and Address one or more of these five thematic priorities Local research and capability for research This is evidence generation That's locally led include including on local and traditional knowledge Resource and land use assessments and this might might be large integrated multi objective Part or participatory natural resource and land use assessments decision support tools other things like that business models Financing mechanisms looking to establish both Better mechanisms and better flows of finance that are direct patient and long-term and inclusive governance systems So we're asking for initiatives to focus on one or more of these thematic priorities in addition to nature climate gender equality and social inclusion And read our initiatives can take place in one or more eligible countries And we've got on our strategy that the list of of UK government's Defined eligible countries in sub-Saharan Africa South Asia and Southeast Asia and We we strongly recommend that you look at the work in the scoping studies and and in thinking about a Proposed proposing an initiative Demonstrate your rationale for for location and scale. We're not we're not prescribing it the sorts of ecosystems that might be the focus peatland wetland dry land forest coastal ecosystems and all their interlinkages and It may be appropriate to to consider the effects of urban rural Change and demographic change on these ecosystems and On that technical support and knowledge management the two of the three components along with Grants that the the red our program seeks to to offer in the coming months We'll identify with with grantees the the sorts of technical support that can be useful to them and Some of which may be provided by by other grantees. We hope And there may be in areas including Shaping policy with evidence really trying to have impact with with good research and good work on the the issues of equity intersectionality and social inclusion and on operational methods and ways for monitoring evaluating and learning from initiatives and And we'll develop the knowledge management platform Trying to find the best way to to integrate and fit with other knowledge management efforts To help spread the knowledge generated among a wider community of practice And next slide please and handing over to you Beth Thanks names and so in this first grant call We're funding what we're referring to as medium-sized project grants Which are between 200,000 and 500,000 pounds and lasting between two and four years starting from January next year This first call has a two-stage application process with stage one concept notes closing on the 31st of July And we're hoping to fund around 18 to 21 projects in this first round So to to put the current grant call into context, we wanted to share with you all our tentative plans for future calls under Edda The details of each of these calls is subject to change as we'll be learning and adapting as we move through the program But we hope this gives you a rough idea of Redar's intentions over its five-year lifetime So this current grant call in the green circle on the left is focusing on those mid-sized project grants of 200 to 500,000 pounds over two to four years And that's largely because our in-region consultations told us that this level of grant is often the most useful for the kinds of projects we're seeking to fund And we wanted to get some good sized initiatives up and running as soon as possible Next year we plan to launch a call for smaller catalytic grants of around 50 to 100,000 pounds with a shorter time frame of six to 12 months And these catalytic grants are intended to be used by smaller and mid-sized in-region organizations to build new partnerships and or develop capacity and capability for leading on a larger project or program grant With the main output being a strong proposal for a future call And those catalytic grants might also be used by organizations to move an existing or previous piece of research through to action and impact on the ground After that we plan to launch a call for large program grants of up to one and a half million pounds And thereafter to issue a mixture of further small catalytic grants and project or program grants We're actively considering the shape and focus of grant calls two and three so that we can provide sufficient time for applicants to create proposals So the timings and the exact scope and scale of these future funding rounds is to be confirmed, but this is just to give you a feel for what future calls may look like under EDA So who can apply for funding? Proposals must name one lead organization which will be the grant holder responsible for the delivery and management of the project That lead organization must be a non-profit which may include research institutes and universities, community-based organizations and NGOs The lead organization may form partnerships and issue sub-grants or consultancy contracts to other non-profits or to private sector companies They may wish to form partnerships with government agencies and departments and this is encouraged, but governments, inter-governmental organizations and UN agencies cannot receive red-ar funds So those partnerships would need to be in kind or funded through co-funding, not red-ar funds Private sector organizations can receive red-ar funds through sub-grants or consultancies, but they can't lead on proposals And red-ar does have the ambition to be as locally led as possible, so we will be prioritizing proposals led by organizations based within our focal regions of sub-Saharan Africa, South Asia and Southeast Asia That said, we might fund a minority of proposals led by organizations based outside those regions, but those proposals will have to demonstrate really strong partnerships within regional organizations, including the local community level and give a robust case for how the project is fulfilling the locally led requirement So once the 31st of July submission deadline is passed, the concept notes will go through three stages of review The first sift will be carried out by program staff at IID to filter out any ineligible or incomplete concept notes Then eligible and complete concept notes will be allocated to three panel reviewers each, and those reviewers will independently score the concept notes against the seven criteria listed here And there's more detail in the guidance documents online The panel reviewers scores, comments and recommendations will then be shared with the red-ar steering committee who will take a program-wide view and make final decisions as to which applicants are invited to stage two, based on the potential portfolio of grants that could be funded Stage two full proposals will follow a similar review process, but at stage two the assessment will include more of the operational aspects, sorry more of the operational aspects such as team and management structure and value for money So moving on to how to apply, this shows the planned timetable for grant call one, following a two-stage application process Stage one concept notes must be submitted in the online application portal before the end of July Those will undergo review and selection through the month of August And then successful concept note applicants will be invited to develop a full proposal for stage two through September and October Those will go through review and selection in November, and then final successful proposals will be offered grant agreements subject to due diligence checks in December And we'll then aim to get first payments out and for projects to start from January next year At a minimum, applicants should read the red-ar strategy document and the guidance for applicants, which are both available on the red-ar website via the links shown On the strategy page and then a resources page for the guidance And these two documents are essential reading for understanding what kinds of projects this call is seeking to fund, so please do make sure you read those before applying As James mentioned earlier, we also strongly encourage you to take a look at the reports from the scoping studies and in region consultations, as those have helped to shape our strategy And so applications must be submitted using the online IID grants platform which uses a system called Flexi Grant and the URL shown here is grants.id.org Concept note applications must be made by the lead applicant This will be the named project leader who will take responsibility for the project on behalf of the lead organization Lead applicants will need to first set up an account in the platform by clicking the register button up at the top right or down by the call info box at the bottom of that screenshot there And then once you have an account set up, you'll be able to log in and start an application So the guidance for applicants document takes you through the online concept note form in more detail and it gives screenshots and guidance notes for each question So please do go through that document first and if anything is still unclear or not working as it should in the online platform, please let us know straight away via the enquiries email address And the resources page on the red our website also has a word version of the concept note form, which you can use for drafting your concept note and sharing it with partners, but the final application will need to be done in the online platform. So we'll open up for questions in a moment, but just while you're thinking about your questions or typing it up in the Q&A box. So this webinar and after you've read the strategy and guidance documents you still have queries or you find problems with the forms or anything else. Please do get in touch straight away via the enquiries email address that's enquiries at red our dot org. And that mailbox is checked at least once a day Monday to Friday, and we'll aim to get a response back to you as soon as possible and certainly within a day or two. So please also check out the website at www.redar.org where you can find all the resources documents, the scoping study reports and other bits of news from the program. You can also sign up on the website to the red our email newsletter. And so that we can so that you can stay informed about the program and future announcements. And you can follow us on Twitter and LinkedIn via the handles shown here. So I think we can open for questions. And so I'll ask my colleagues just to guide us to the most commonly asked questions first and we'll try and get. Try to address as many of those possible now on the webinar, but if we don't get through them through run out of time, we will address others offline and then make a Q&A written document available in the next week. Thanks, Beth, it's Steve Bass. I've been looking at the questions and fielding them. It's great to see so many 45 questions so far, trying to field some of them. Many of the questions are about eligibility, particularly of public research institutions, the process for UN agencies to get involved. I don't defer to James for the answer but but no public research institution or UN agency is disqualified from applying how or if they receive funding is, is, is, is another matter I think context specific. There are questions about people from countries outside the focal regions, can they apply. I believe the answers. Yes, for that. No questions. If, if you receive a grant for the first round or the second round is that preclude you from further grants later in the red our program, or actually the opposite, can you to qualify for say the third grant do you need to have had a first or second round so again I'll defer. Can you make more than one application as a, as an institution can lead applicants beyond more than one proposal. So, quite a few comments on the, the local nature, you know, locally registered international NGOs with local partners of a eligible and also at the other end of the scale with local institutions. What is our minimum turnover requirement disqualify some very local institutions. What is the logic of that minimum turnover. Again I'll defer to others for the answers I'm just looking at a set of questions here. A few saying we're not research institutions as such but we're involved in progressive business or technology. We, how far would read our entertain proposals about the, the furtherance the scaling up the application of that technology locally. And if so do we have to have a research partner. The same with with business. So there's a few there for you, James for for Beth. And then you may want to add on other sorts of questions. And in the time I've been speaking there's been another 25 questions, so we will definitely have a considered response available to everyone on the website afterwards. Janine. Thank you Steve. No, I think you did a really good job synthesizing the vast majority of questions so I'll hand over to the team. I'm a thanks Janine I must also there are quite a few questions on co funding back to you James and Ben. If I go from the top. I've ordered them by most upvotes. So if we go through them in that order. So the first one on my screen is from Holly Hughes a practical action. And can you define locally led from an eligibility perspective. And can an NGO with local registrations lead the application. And James I don't know if you want did you want to give the radar definition of locally led. And maybe this will will help with a number of questions asked. As, as you said earlier, Beth where we're defining locally led as initiatives that engage residents in their design and implementation and their leadership has strong local involvement. They're likely to employ and empower women and youth and show concrete benefits for local communities. And so organizations at the local level are likely to to lead that that effort. In demonstrating that international NGOs with local registrations might also demonstrate that locally led effect very strongly they will need to show how they, how they do that in their in their application and in their partnerships but potentially. Yes, is the answer to the second part of that first question. So that sort of covers one or two other inquiries about locally led and then the, the kind of lead organization. There's a lot of questions about whether they should be one of those. Yes, there should be one one lead organization and then as many partnerships with others as is appropriate and sub grantees can be of the, the sorts you defined, Beth. And that lead organization needs to be a nonprofit organization. It needs to be able to demonstrate that it is the sort of effective supporter of indigenous peoples and local communities through its systems and experience that it is financially sound and appropriately staffed and with effective technical and financial capacity. That's one of the main themes. So next on the questions. Similarly, what are the eligibility requirements for sub awardees of the project. So those would be other nonprofit organizations that the lead can sub grant to. And private sector organizations could also be sub awardees and receive receive funds. Although they can't they can't lead but they could be sub sub awardees. And the sub sub awardees might be small organizations that might not be eligible to actually lead, but the lead organization can demonstrate that they can, they can manage those partners and manage the risk involved in terms of financial risk. Yeah, anything to add James I think that's, and they, they, they can be based wherever makes sense for the for the project so as long as you can explain in your proposal and this would come in the stage to full proposal. If you can explain how the partnership is set up and how it will, how it's structured to deliver the project in the best way. And you can justify those partnerships and that they're the best partners for the project then I think that's the most important thing. So we've, we've made no rule about co funding have we the next one on the, the list. No so co funding, and we would encourage if you, if you can secure co funding to support the project or to increase the scope. And we would, we would love to see details about that in stage two in the full in the full proposal. We're not asking for any details of co funding in the concert notes, but do do bear in mind and if it if it needs to be. If it needs to be factored in. Yeah, do do start to plan that in. We're not asking for a certain percentage of co funding to be met and we're not asking for it to be mandatory so if you don't have any co funding. If, if this is the only fund that will fund your project, that's also fine. Do you want to take that one from Ashley Brooks about the minimum turnover. And discussing against smaller organizations. Yes, so Ashley Brooks thank you for the question, which for everyone else the minimum turnover amount minimum four times the annual amount granted disqualifies many local organizations. This goes against the grants intention to be locally led as it largely precludes a small local NGOs will there be flexibility on this. So, yes, I, yeah I understand your concern about this. However, in, at least in this grant call in the first one, we do need to make sure that the lead organization has a certain level of financial stability and financial capacity in terms of its management systems and reporting systems to manage a grant of this level. But our, our aim is to be supporting the supporters. So, we want that lead organization to be those well positioned organizations in the region, who can get the funds out to those smaller organizations who, who, who aren't at that level to be able to to lead this time. Um, yes, I think that's answered the question. And, and your point about in the next round, hopefully in the early part of next year, some catalytic grants will be available for the smaller organizations on that end of the spectrum. Yes, exactly. So those smaller ones that don't meet that turnover criteria won't be eligible to lead on this one, they will be eligible to be a sub grantee. But they would be potentially eligible to go in for those smaller catalytic grants and use those funds to to build their capacity and to build systems to enable them to manage larger, larger projects. If I could come in on a couple, there are a number of questions around the balance between capacity building research technology. People saying we're focused more on capacity building rather than research would be be eligible with focusing on technology rather than research. And the notion of this particular program is research to action. What what we have, the shift we've made here, compared to many standard research programs in this area is to engage local organizations who are very often rooted in technology who need capacity. I think the answer here is that, yes, you may have a capacity lead the yes you may have a technology lead, but the whole program wants to learn about success. So you would need to build into your program, some kind of learning process so that the, the research to action learnings could be shared and scaled up across across the across the program. So it's quite different from your traditional abstract research program in that sense. There are also questions people put in the chat, rather than Q&A and three of those questions are on the research side of it, can the program fund postdocs PhDs. The principle, yes, because the program wishes to build research capacity, local research capacity within the country so if there are some postdocs or researchers who are very much engaged with the local research to action or who are from those countries, the scope to build in that kind of senior high level tertiary training is some would be welcomed. So it's just a few further things that back to you James. Thanks, Steve. Just, it's good to cover some of the questions that are in the chat but good also if people can convert them into the Q&A list as well and enable us to answer them, ultimately, more effectively I think. Should I just add another one there's a there's a lot about the balance between climate focused work and nature focused work and, as we've said this is about a work that would enable people and nature to thrive together in a in a changing climate. I want to say about that, that balance, if it's more nature led if it's more climate led, what would be appropriate. I think the stress that's come out of all the scoping work is to is to is on the word balance and to to really demonstrate in any particular context, location or issue area. What is going to work to enable people and nature to thrive in a in as the climate changes. And that's, I think, demonstrable in particular places by specific initiatives and be convincing about that in in in a proposal and that will achieve the red our goals it's really all of those things. The three things in in in a local situation. And James there's a question here. How does this fund differ from existing UK government funding in this area, such as the Global Center for biodiversity and climate and the Darwin initiative. You able to tackle that one, maybe john can help with this one as well. Yeah, I think john should probably do that one. Yeah, happy to. It's a really good question so I think part of part of this could relate to the overall tapestry of UK research funding and the different focuses. So the new, the Global Center on biodiversity and climate is a department for environment food and rural affairs program, and they have a focus on food security and natural resource management and agricultural practices. Our research call and the red a program is very focused on what can enable nature and climate side together so it's got that people focus front and center and I think that comes out in our five automatic priorities. The, the Darwin initiative is a separate initiative. Again, looking at biodiversity. And those are different research called so it is a great question. These are complementary initiatives and we are working across the UK government to make sure that we are capitalizing on those things. But they do have an important difference based on what the primary focus of the research calls and the ultimate focus of what the program is trying to achieve. Back that back over to Beth and James. And anything else. Thanks, John. And there's a question here how many proposals can one organization submit. And that's a nice easy one. So the lead organization, the organization can be lead on multiple proposals, and there's no cap. We would encourage the organization to talk within the organization and make sure that the competitive ones are being put forward. However, there is a cap on who the lead applicant can be so if you're a lead applicant as an individual you can only lead on one proposal. So the organization can can lead on multiple, but the individual leads can only lead on one. Jumping in again top of the list or I see Janine is typing an answer to explain research to action. Thank you Janine. We've dealt with the one on maximum number of partners in a consortium. Pauline Kianba asks, is it acceptable to use data and information from previous related research or do we have to generate the research work from the beginning. Research is, if it is, it is going somewhere if it is data that really deserves to be developed or have greater impact with very much appropriate to focus an initiative on. James on that score there are a couple of others about researching to action. I think we should emphasize that it is not, it's not essential for the applicant to conduct brand new research, however it is essential to find the most important knowledge which could be local knowledge could be indigenous knowledge and verify and validate its usefulness in context and then spread that knowledge so the research doesn't have to have been done by the applicant. But it has to be the case needs to be made that this is worth taking into action. So in that sense again it's quite different from a sort of primary research project. Very much so a digger apollonieri where Jack known asks about agroforestry systems and eligibility. Yes, very much so, eligible. Very huge. Are there priority countries in each of the regions, only in the sense of eligible countries in each of the regions, and that covers pretty much all the countries in each of the regions. Except for any that are high income countries are not eligible high income by the DAC definitions. And also there's a there's a, there are a small number of countries that aren't eligible because of the political or security situation there at the moment and those are all detailed in the in the guidance document and in the strategy document, I believe. This is a question which is echoed by others is it possible to have a collaboration across countries and across regions and if so does there need to be a local presence, or registered entity in each country, I think we would encourage but maybe you want to Yes. Yes. I'm not seeing that particular one but I heard it from you Steve. Yes, collaborations across countries, certainly eligible across regions, possible to. We would sort of imagine the possibilities of collaborations across Southeast Asia and South Asia as is perhaps more likely than between Asia and Africa. But if that if such collaborations are proposed to certainly be considered. And the other end of the scale there's a question from Arlene, Christina stereo and about the scale of the project our projects required to cover a whole country wide, or can it be just focused, for example on one city. The application is to be justified we said we suggest and scale would a would accompany that so it could be very small scale it could be certainly could be the effects of the city's population on ecosystems and issues associated or dynamics with people in cities and nature. It could be a very small location in a rural area that's a focus of people nature climate action. It could be. It could be country wide perhaps if it was in particular about the effect of better used evidence to to try and change decision making about ecosystems and landscapes across a whole country. So I think that we just slightly looked at Passover to bet. There is a question on what a payment terms, for example is in a raise or in advance. I think that's probably a good question, based on the type of institutions that are likely to play this call. Yes, so I think if the lead organization is based within our vocal regions, our standard payment terms would normally be quarterly advanced payments but with the final payment of the year or the project being based on actual actual expenditure so that it would it would in all likelihood be a mixture of the two mainly advanced and then an actuals areas payments at the end. And there might be a few exceptions to that way we want to tweak it so if we spoke about funding and minority of projects with the weather lead isn't based within those regions. For example, if we if we were to issue a grant to a UK university, we might decide to do all the payments in a rears. It really depends on this. This is where the due diligence checks come in as well so the outcomes of those will determine a few exceptional cases where we might want to do things differently based either on the ability of the organization to fund things in advance themselves or based on the level of risk. So, yeah, that there are a few, we don't have a hard hard and fast rule for all organizations but it might just depend on what comes out of those due diligence checks. There's a question or several questions I think about types of research that might be appropriate focus and is this really a program that's emphasizing one one type over and another. I suggest not. We're really trying to support an improvement in the evidence based on on key ecosystems and livelihoods and how to move from degraded to restored ecosystems. So paying attention to ecological ecological concerns yes but also to the social political economic issues. We're keen that evidence really should be scientific involving clear research questions or hypotheses and systematic observation and that it should be rigorous and that same rigor should apply to the action part to and so carefully designing things designing methods and conclusions and in the case of of research rigor in terms of being explicit public potentially replicable and and certainly open to to critique. Methods can be qualitative or participatory as well as quantitative. They would often need to be, I think, combining disciplines and able to to explore diverse stakeholder perspectives. And as we've stressed all initiatives in in in particular need to demonstrate how they're tackling gender equality and social inclusion. So, if there's research involved it's it's likely to need to demonstrate that. So there's a couple at the top of the list here that I can probably deal with. So Joe asks, does the organization is lead need to register and flexi grant first or is it just the lead applicant the registers. It's just the lead applicant, it's the individual who needs to create an account on flexi grant. So that person would then need to enter the details of their organization. So the organization's address contact details, etc. But it would be that individual lead applicant who needs to do that. And then Gosu asks, is there a maximum number of partners in a consortium for application and can a European institution be partner in a consortium for application. So if there's no maximum number of partners in a consortium, you'll just need to justify the size of the partnership and and consider and consider the roles of each of them in in delivering the project and and also value for money aspects so where's the money and how's it going to make the biggest impact for the amount funded. So no, no prescribed maximum number. So it's up to you to justify how how your consulting looks. And European institutions would would be eligible to be sub sub granted. They could also be eligible to lead but as we said we're not focusing on and we're not prioritizing those so they would need to have a strong justification to be leading on the projects. But they would be eligible to receive funds as long as they're a nonprofit and or a private sector organization. Do you want to do the one about how many applicants applications will be taken through to stage two by anonymous attendee. There's a certain number that would be taken through so the process will be based on the scoring from the panel of viewers. And I think if if concept notes receive consistently lower scores from the panel of viewers and those would likely be rejected at that. And then concept notes that receive consistently high scores or a mixture of scores would go to the steering committee to make final decisions. And those final decisions in terms of who's going to be invited to stage two would rest on the scores and the comments received from the panel of viewers but also how the potential portfolio of projects looks so would they be covering a nice range of geographies, ecosystems, landscapes, and the type of thematic content that they're seeking to address. So it's about the, it's about the scores that they receive from the reviewers but also about about the portfolio of work that we could fund with the resources available. I believe all asks, can we have a partnership with neighboring countries. Yes, really Paul. Can we use the funds from the grant to delineate key but biodiversity areas asks Joshua says a bit younger. Yes. So, later questions on what sorts of projects have been successful here. Now we must be clear that this is the first round of a new program, but we have learned from what we think have been successful projects and approaches through scoping across the past. Do you want from the top of your head to sort of summarize. You know, what might look like a successful project in terms of the distinctive characteristics of a radar grant in its differences you know it's locally led its nature and climate. Maybe it's a sort of way to summarize the kind of things we're hoping for. Um, I think the phrasing you just used is the as at the core of it. I think a successful radar supported initiative will be will have local impact from being locally led will improve the relationship between indigenous peoples and local communities and their, the nature that they have the right and interest to manage. And in doing that. I have made progress in adapting to and engaging with changing climate. I think that would typically manifest in in clear positive impact for a diverse range of stakeholders in that local context and in an improved situation. In terms of the involvement of those stakeholders in in the decisions involved. So deciding about the relationship between people and nature at a local level being an effect from the work. So evidence will have been perhaps improved certainly better used to make that happen. It's likely that capability for generating or or wielding that evidence will have will have been improved through the initiative to make that happen. And what else that that relatively modest funds and forms of support and ways in which information is wielded have all been efficiently and equitably used in the process. Thanks a lot James just conscious of the time that we're getting close to the end of the session and it's really great that people can put in that content details in the chat unfortunately due to regulation we can't share details of everyone who's participated today but what you can do is you are happy to share your content details of those who have done please put that in the chat and liaise with each other that way. We will try our best to collate and answer all the questions so there's replication of questions we'll put that into a general Q&A. There's specific questions that needs more nuanced follow-up we'll do our best endeavors to do that. Right isn't that just in case you're not fantastic. As a reminder please go to reddit.org so that is reddit.org to go on to the website to get access to all of our resources that's the scope and studies. Our strategy is our governance document it's our handbook of accounts with I and we really encourage you to take a look at all those documents. Really look at the strategy and we strongly encourage you to go through the studies and please also look into the website to be able to sign up to the mailing list. And as a final reminder that the first stage of this particular research call round ends on the 31st July so please get your applications in then. The final thing for me to say in the end notes of the time is thank you so much for everyone who's participated today and thanks to everyone from IOD for answering the questions. It's been really great to get to see such a wealth of people from across different countries and organizations that participate today. I'm really hoping that you're excited about the call that we've launched. We're really excited and looking forward to see what applications we get and what sort of proposals we'll end up funding. So wrap up today to say thank you very much. I hope it's been useful and we look forward to taking your applications. Thanks everyone.