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So you will allow me to use all the English that I can possibly can today Good morning, sir. Good morning. How are you? Fine? Thank you. Welcome to studio. Oh, yeah Well, I can see your arms to the teeth With pros, but please do introduce yourself before you go. This is professor. Dr. NAFTA. Lobuya Mm-hmm. I'm a university lecturer. Okay in my specialization is cancelling psychology. Mm-hmm, and that is why all right Okay, I can see you you have writ. What what is it? I know what it is But for the viewer who is at home, would you please explain to them what it is? I've written so many books and The latest book that I've done is this one. I'm holding in my hands holds laying the silent killer Okay, and this one is zeroing in on matters depression Because it has become a real lethal killer in families We have seen cases where Mothers are killing their children. We have seen cases where husbands are murdering their wives We have seen cases where people are degenerating mentally and when they are diagnosed in hospitals There is basically nothing to show but the systems are shutting down Just because of the pressures of life and that is why I have gone deeper to study Cancelling psychology so that we can be able to mitigate like now this book we are talking about slaying We are not zeroing so much on the courses because courses are there, but now after courses what next we need to slay The killer so we have I have advanced in this book so many mitigations That can be used to address This Elephant in the room called depression. Yeah, and I'm covering it at seven at all levels actually after mom The depression affecting adults. I've talked about depression affecting schools Colleges Universities because some of our students because being a lecturer. I have seen these Affecting even our own students. There are so many things that happen and sometimes we blame them for not surfacing and Arising on location and yet they are issues that are affecting them So we have seen even others committing suicide in our universities colleges. We have seen cases where some youths have even dived in Water bodies and they they have committed suicide, you know, they have just drowned We are these things are of this thing is affecting People at all levels. So what we are talking about here is a real problem That we need to and look at and see how we can help our people All right before we get to the mitigation I want to paint a picture of what depression looks like because we assume Depression is someone who's sad who is it's staying away from society. They're staying in the house the whole day They're not talking the introverts quote-unquote because that's a little bit harsh of us to label them But someone who's depressed is there may be the happiest person in the room He he or she is the life of the party. He or she is the one who calls you up. Okay. It's Friday Yeah, so how do we detect? subtle science What you are describing we can call that more of an escapist Attitude and behavior as you say very true Somebody can be depressed and they are putting up a face, but in reality they are being eaten from within So what they are doing is purely public relation to make people, you know, think that they are okay but when they they get into their You know private quarters private, you know Inside as we say new my They are crying and they are breaking down But when they come to the public they wipe their faces and look like they are okay And now that is very dangerous. So when we are talking about depression much of it is Is it is a mental illness that sometimes detecting it may not be Easy if it is still mild But when it is at a higher level now, we are going to see Glaring symptoms. Yeah, now like the ones you are talking about they with the droll syndromes and the hyper activity sometimes or Sometimes cases where somebody has a very severe mood swing and this automatically affects the operation be it at the place of work be it in the family It affects even family members and if it is let to go lose We have sometimes found cases where people have been admitted in hospital Yeah, because it can go so far until it calls for admission and if not quickly Seen by people who are closer to this person somebody can even die. We have heard of a people Dying sometimes in the night in this book have indicated something here that looks that you know I have observed that when we look at some of The people who died at their places of work Wow, they We are told they came from home when they okay He dropped his place of work. He entered the office and when he was settling in his seat He just collapsed and that was the end of him So he was carrying something that people did not detect Something was eating up and he said depression can you know give birth or lead to some cases of You know high blood pressure because you know someone is packed and he didn't get a place to ventilate So when he came to the place of work and I was saying like most of the best at our place of work They occur on a Monday morning Because I have so many You know cases in point Monday morning because they have just come to a place that probably Squeezes the imagination. They have come from home. They were happy But when they arrived at their place of work, they realized I've just come to the place that Causes me mental distress and pressure shoots up and this person Collapses and people do not know that he'd been hovering this for some time. So the question is about You know a mood swing that can occur either instantly or it can occur over a period of time And it grows from mild even to advanced cases of Breaking down. Yes. Okay, and Okay, I want to phrase this very carefully because I am also African But Africans were very certain always and we think there are some things that we have borrowed from the West. Yes, so Perhaps five ten years ago if we had tried to explain that depression is an actual thing and it doesn't choose what race or You know, I want to say tribe or culture you're from it does not choose this depression is depression How would you explain to an African that it's okay to go to therapy and it's not as expensive as you think You know, I'm also an African. I'm born in African circles I'm born here in Kenya in Africa. And you know Let me talk as an African man before I address matters general, you know, like We in Africa we have been cultured in a way where we don't know. I'm going to kill you. Well, it was a little bit Well, when I'm one of my People was your yes, you can I come but you are you are weak But you see when it comes to matters affecting our mental health We need to be candid and we need to be open. We need to be Free to share out what we are going through because if we Suppress it suppression is not the solution suppressing only You know helps to pump and to accumulate more pressure and this has been on You know, it's something that has happened in the past and So people have died without others knowing Because there was no ventilation through therapy, you see Especially as now that the boys, you know, the wind we people are Were growing You know, we were told That was not the way to go and you know, you you get a young person. He's looking for a Place to ventilate. He's looking for somebody to talk to but he has been told So he and you know, he ends up, you know, closing up himself and slowly by slowly He is being eaten up. That's why we have we have in cases of young people hanging themselves. Yeah, you know, like being in the Field of education. I have handled many cases parents have come with the cases of young Boys even girls Her talking this this this is a student in the university or in high school or I'm a different gear Don't let people know what you're going through I handle such Cases a number of them which led me to actually writing doing this research This is a research project part of my research work and part of my thesis work And I got in because of those kind of cases that I see to what then sometimes back We didn't allow our young people to express what they're feeling. Let's say 10 years ago 20 years ago 30 years ago now me let me go to me in the 30 years ago when I was like youth Now we are saying that is not the way to go to watch a Vigiana What fun go a row home? Yes, what party Mahalipa could you express? What party people home? They can believe they can have confidence in and when they come now like as who are specialists In that field of counselling and in psychology. We should be available to these young people to Express themselves to see a member of October to a channel now So you come a member of October and I'm a buyer son like any kind of best your mazuri like telling young people to keep quiet express themselves when you want to owe me What what a corner J. If you are a young man as I was then some 20 years ago was China what a corner J We're nearly a jubilee. I want to put up a mook and I'm gonna go You need to be you know a macho man But We have had cases where People So the things of the past let us get out of there now Let us open up space for people to express themselves so that we can be able to help them out This is something we've just touched on not really discussed before we went on air So let me bring the view up to speed. Yes with us door. So I was watching a conversation with Former first lady of the United States. That's Michelle Obama. She was on a particular podcast. Yes, she put it in a very interesting way that Say you say my he's o nz you Nyangalier Never say September took a dog. Yes, she's angle. So I don't really understand But there was a particular time in history where there wasn't there wasn't much Exposure like you said there wasn't social media So any news I got to hear was of my village and maybe the neighboring villages or towns or cities and etc etc But now we have the whole world Really at the palm of my hand and we're living a generation where we're tethered to our phones I wake up the first thing I do is Seimo and and it's it might even be that the world is even safer now What with security and all these things but the the sheer volume of information? I know what's going on in Gaza. I know what's going on in Sudan I know it's going on in Namibia condolences like there's just so much going on and then there's also I want to say peer pressure of a special kind from social media I'm coming to pitch up or look who nice smart you feel like. Oh my gosh. I went to school with this person I'm bonus to Jaffa couple Oh no, I'm a little ever I'm not gonna get it I'm not gonna want to do it. Nini Nini Nini Fania Roussi Yeah, I'll go to Nassana And me too What's all this as in is it's partly that pressure That over exposure just for lack of a better term Exactly, I hear you I want to agree with you and We are dealing with matters of diversity And you know people are refusing to be themselves Yes, and you know because of too much exposure To the social media as you say people wake up not just the youth alone Even as at our age You know, we're not very old though, but at our age now just entering our 50s We still have In my cohort people who do the same thing Waking up in the morning the first thing that they're touching is their phone and they are going to Facebook They are going to Twitter. They are going to WhatsApp They are going to all the platforms and as you say there they are going to meet Some of these people whom they think They are like them. Let's say someone like me People that I went to school with let's say in primary school in the 80s You know in Secondary as we used we went up to Elevo, you know the last Elevo groups. That's where I belong 88 89 So I have friends that I was with in that cohort And let's say I got I went to the university my first degree in the early 90s I have cohort members there So when you go to the social media and you find your cohort member is is is posting a photo there and He's driving. Let's say a V8 and you don't even have a bicycle Yeah, you start imagining that probably something is wrong with you and Either you are you are cast or like the world is just not fair to you and You become depressed you become stressed up you become, you know, you start closing up or now You don't understand the dynamics of management of finances and abilities of resources and and then you want to use let's say you are Minimal resources to try and achieve a similar lifestyle because each lifestyle comes with the You know demands because like if I'm driving a V8 V8, you know, it's a big engine talking about a 4.5 liter engine and It is consumption of fuel is very high if I was driving lessons from Nairobi to Western Boos here where I'm born a V8, you know, I'm going to fuel this car with the almost one way 18,000 or 20,000 Yeah, now it is 18,000 Coming back and I will fuel it again with 18,000. That is almost 40,000 So if you are not now you you are driving Let's say a vis which which which is which is 1.3 liter you see going the same journey you will use 6,000 and back 6,000 so this is 12,000 now your cohort Member is driving a V8 now you go take a loan Yes, and go and buy a V8 because you want to fit in your in your in your cohort Not knowing that one journey to Western with a V8 is your whole man's salary. Well, you love to take a loan To fuel that car and when you are not able now to manage that lifestyle You see you're going to be depressed and that's the same thing even to the young people. Yeah, you know Let's say you are you are with your classmates. You see at the university, you know, you know, like I know I'm a college lecturer and I know what I'm talking about that most of our young people in the university You know, they are graduating at the age of 20 to unless a 21 22 the first degree or 23 24. Yeah, they are and if they think that As soon as you get out of university you must get a job And then once you have a job you are going to buy a car You see and you know, you are going just to get into this flamboyant life Which is not always the case then they see their friends at at 27 At a mungine lab that I'm a fan. Yeah, who's who turn a cuba. They know nowadays the way the social media I'm a post-pollie, you know, a russia cut the nashoka Nanna on gay available to me one point five million funny a russi. I said, you know, this other person And I'm gonna get another money that kind of a lifestyle and sometimes Attempted to do things beyond their means and when now the Matrix does not add up straight away. It's depression. So what you're saying is very true And we are saying that by the grace of God Can we live within our means and also can we accept that life is In steps you you don't jump one step And when you see your friend for instance driving a nice car, that's what the 2 million or 2.5 million or let's say a Million and above You also need to ask yourself a question How did he get that car? There could be other means that he used to get that car that are not necessarily a salary He could be your workmate for instance probably and even you earn a similar salary And you wonder my this salary cannot afford me a 2.1 million car How comes my friend is driving a 2.1 million car and you may not know that this person has some other side You know effects that he's doing And he has not told you you think it is a lot So you go ahead and take a loan then at the end of the day you are the third rule I'm sure you understand it your your your your pay is now 18,000 so with 18,000 my friend how will you feel they come how will you pay rent? How would you have afford your daily life? How if you're paying fees? Let's say for your siblings. So now you end up in That's me. I'm Keshio. I'm Janani. I'm using if we listen All these things together My Jesus They just distress you and you realize that I have hit my wall and therefore I need Rescue I need rescue because now I cannot be able to run with my life So those are the things we are talking about and we are asking not just the youth alone By the grace of God Can we live within our means can we cut our court as we say according to our size? Let's not go for oversize You look funny out there and some people when they realize come as a Kinewana as now today they come along with a Kinewara My name is Marama, but it is their own miscalculations. Now the next thing they think about is Nijitia, Kitanzee, you know Committees you sign that is not the way to go even if it has reached that point We are a very labor specialist Yeah, we are able to talk it out. We are engaged in talking therapies and we see how we can balance some Arithmetics Professor, I want to talk about now before we get down to the mitigation because that's why he's here He's actually written a whole book about it But I would like to imagine and I don't want to put it on a specific Generation or it comes agency or say millennial boomers or them. I can't wait to see Jen alpha They look like they're going to Terrorize us a little bit. Then they know their rights already. Yes So I don't want to blame a specific generation, but there is a trend that you find two people maybe Have have entered an intimate relationship. Yes at a very I want to say Naive phase in their life But would you he left you know, but I'm saying yeah, you've already decided to live together Then it seems the outbursts of anger are so raw and I don't want to just again blame it on agenda and say men Versus women because I've also seen on social media. How oh So do you a woman scorned went and packed his whole house? Yeah, Nali someone But I did too. I don't know how to remove that bed. Otherwise And then that in a bulb, you know, like why are people so angry? Is it that we don't have the right skills? Are we not equipped to deal with the relationships now or what was the difference like how how people you? Again a certain generation, you know, just kept people have been married for 30 plus years and it's not this Doesn't last even three years And and then if it getting worse if I may say that you even getting into it before maybe you finish school Yes, you choose not to go to school so that you can start a family or something So is is that mental health related? Is there something we don't know? You know, I happen to deal with young people. Actually, that's where I am Yeah, I deal with young people in Colleges and universities and also in the church because I'm also a preacher. I'm also a pastor of a congregation calling Jesus faith ministries the superhighway here in Nairobi and We we we also have a you know It is a large ministry with thousands and tens of thousands of young people and these are some of the issues that we are We are we are everyday dealing with yeah, because matters relationship as they are these are heavy-duty matters and My advice is that Don't get in it until When you are ready for it because it comes with a lot of expectations And as we say there is no freedom without responsibility Because you want to exercise a certain level of freedom and yet you are not ready and willing to take responsibility for that freedom It's all right to interrupt We were having a very heated debate actually with this this team here this camera crew team And and it's felt like What the Conversation is on the street is being ready. Nikwana Pesar juice mustana happy ending one of me Yes, so one of my last magic Adjit of Tia Pesar and then gets into the relation. Is that the narrative? Is that what being responsible is not really you know money in as much as we say answers all questions But also money in unprepared vessel can be like a bomb Yes, wow. Yeah. Yeah, if you put money in in in hands that are not responsible that are not prepared That money will turn against That person so preparation in as much as we need money, of course Money will help you to sort one or two issues, but there is also that element of Maturity that brings out now the force of responsibility like now Let me talk about even in the universe to where we are you find Girls getting into marriage Let's say at the age, you know, they're first years for instance And they have just gotten this young man that had, you know, makes them feel like, you know, you know I have I don't need to go to high school You know, I need to finish your school and I need to go to high school You know, dad and mom Now they come to campus Then they realize, wow Mambon, you're high oh, yeah, and your love one adjipata into the family way when they are not prepared for it You see, I cannot advance that theory So there is that dimension of preparation and also Mental maturity that comes with it and that will make you responsible when you now have the resources and also, you know, you Some edges are still too So to call formative even to make Informal decision about marriage because marriage has to do with whom am I Moving in with you can't just move in with anybody and not everybody's wired for you That's why in in psychology we teach about Personalities and we are now even you know cascading even to the church level to teach people Are the topics to do with personality so that you understand that they are personalities that are behave and exhibit certain Behavior and if you are not ready to cope with such then you would just Keep off so that you look for this personality that you can be able to cope with Yes, so that you don't enter into marriage with the wrong person. You may have all the money But you are in it with the wrong person a person who is not you know The personality that you can cope with with all the millions Manabado Because we are dealing with the divorce we are dealing with separations We are dealing with violence in family as you say people wedded and these things becoming very common Especially among the young people. Let me I'm 27 years in marriage. Yes. I was coming Yes, 27 years, which is beyond your age. I know that I Dropped my spouse at her place of work. I would have reached here Early are you seeing that but there's no way I would have Come here and left my spouse to get into a my tattoo to go to her place of work I've had to drop her at the gate of her place of work. Yes, and then Push through the jam to reach KBC and that's why I've come About five minutes to the beginning of the program others. I would have been here at 730, but you see family comes first Yeah, so there's still baby girl treatment. I'm telling you so I need to take care of this girl And if you see her she looks very young because I take care of her 27 years, she's still smiling and she's still laughing and we are still in love Wow, I'm wondering what happens young people at one year two years and that the Passion has dried It's like we need to investigate this thing, but as I'm saying sometimes has to do with You know coupling up with somebody that you don't have certain silent you know Personas that can be able to cope together and also there's this Impatience is you know among this generation that for instance as you say young girls They look at marriage at us as a source of You know solution to all their problems Like a life goal. Yes, you know like I get a man who has money and you know, he will take care of me Take care of you. It's okay But you also need to know one thing that's very crucial that before money comes There is preparation for money to come if you find somebody who has money Would you reason I hope is a Ali part of Namanagani I'll you are now partner Because you'll find that money comes but through some processes And so you have to be patient even if you are a couple of instance be patient to begin small Okay, begin at an entry point that is manageable in your sources and then Grow like that before you have those V8's you have those You know mansionates and you can go for those outings in the Mombasa and you can take into such else You need to develop Your pool and it takes time. So young people kindly But the grace of God Allow yourselves to grow through the path of life Yeah, you don't have to live All your life within one year You know, we want to life is a marathon. It is not a sprint. It's not if you sprint You will burn out within one or two years But if you look at it as a marathon you go slowly by slowly as you pick up as you move Eventually, you will achieve your objective. So what is happening here much of it is not giving you You know ourselves let's say all the young people themselves time to grow and we not each other me I like the way of we have not yet each other with my spouse. Yeah, 27 years. She didn't get me driving. I wasn't driving I wasn't having so much money. If I told how much money I was earning then you would be shocked And she accepted to come into my life like that and we began to develop each other So where we are today 27 years later. It's not where we were 27 years ago Yeah, we began from somewhere and we agreed to nurture each other patiently. I grow her she grows me Yeah, and then we start seeing resources coming. So I think that is an elephant in the room, especially Among the young generation Not all I don't want to say that it's all of them We still have those who have those tenets and those values of patience Tolerance and they can be able to you know adjust and allow life to I take it is one two three four steps as they grow together and it is actually to me I find it More joyous When I see the car that I'm driving My money is in it. My wife's money is in it. So it is not my car. It is our car Yes, the house that we are living in Her money is in it. My money is in it. So it is not my house. It is our house I'm missing that so I can't just wake up and say care of this house never she will tell me I am going away with my roof I'm going this wall is mine. I'm going with this door I'll go with this part of the world, you know, of course, you know what happened So if someone happens, I said it couldn't checks and balances, but now tell me It's not that it's always like that, but you want as a young girl to get into Somebody's house. Are you seeing that you don't have a stake in it? You get there. The house is complete. They are this furniture is there You know the Tensils are done and the electronics are done and the house is nice. I said, wow, let me figure where we How do you figure? Let me tell you for free You will one day be asked to get out the way you came able to handle and it will not be good for you So you would rather, you know, get into You know a matrix where we we grow each other and therefore you have this what we call a sense of Possession of that family so that nobody will just tell you get out of my car My friend You come here in the how does that become your car? It is our car. Are you seeing that? So those are the dynamics that we need to look at so that we can solidify our There's someone behind the camera who wants to come in front and give his piece, but don't worry We will have a couple Ram after this don't panic. Don't panic Yes, I might also have to convince the baby girls. We talk about this new piece of information that has been revealed Right now on an individual level as part of the mitigation process and what I'm hearing is we should always extend ourselves grace they say Failing to plan is planning to fail, but also you plan in good laughs So there's there's must be a point where yes You know where you're going and you're taking steps to get in there and you're walking in faith and hope But you're also extending yourself grace. So if you had Purposed to be in a particular job for 12 years, but on the seventh year, you know Maybe it didn't really work out and you had to look elsewhere. It might not even actually be a bad thing. You know Because I'm not can you say kiddo go because everything that happens works for your good So we should extend ourselves grace because I feel also peer pressure not a couple Like I'm expecting so much from myself But if I'm not delivering at the timeline, I have given myself that I can easily sink into the pressure You know, we are not saying that You should be static it is good to dream and to dream big It's good. It's good to dream big And we have so many scholars who have come up with good pieces on dreaming big and what we are simply saying is that it is good to be Optimistic and it is good to be a go-getter. There's no problem with that It is good to try and better your portion. There is nothing wrong with that and in the world of career we talk about Going for greener pastures. There is nothing wrong with that because At the end of the day, it is the will of God that we grow Yes, even me when I began working I Began working as a high school teacher And I went I took my postgraduate studies and I went to teach in our teacher training colleges and I continued studying and I met a mofos to the university after getting my PhD and And and and and so I kept on changing places, you know changing places and that is about Improving you a lot and just working out a formula to have something that can sustain you You know better, you know, there is nothing wrong with that and we encourage young people actually to be proactive Yeah, and you see like Changing of career for instance Has to do also with preparation because higher level careers also come with this Higher qualifications for instance higher qualifications. So like if let me just use the case of education You are in a job where you entered as a certificate holder Okay, and I see job groups also will go with qualifications You see it's just like that So if you want to improve your lot Especially in that career if the same career still but go higher Besides your good performance, you know, you are you are you are your output is excellent Do you know? Somebody will come in your workplace with the higher qualifications and Has just come and within a year or even less he becomes your boss you will become depressed and this person probably He also had similar qualifications as you are certificate and he just went ahead Accommon online or I can enroll with a training institution Diploma Now he has come there is no way a certificate holder with the supervised bachelor's It's not possible so this person will just come and becomes your supervisor and you become distressed for nothing and yet you had even opportunity to better Your career there were chances for you to improve in in training so that you can also have get a higher Qualification and when you do that, you know You are you are you are your pasture will continue becoming greener and greener and greener that is why you can find a situation where a Monofunzi I may look at I may come a little more More limo Those are my little work here. I come a rip amore the monofunzi I can talk a new ma and I can improve The his qualification her qualifications and when she came back She became the supervisor of the teacher. Wow. And now the teacher becomes distressed Some even want to quit job, but they had opportunity to better their qualifications. So I Really encourage young people But if that opportunity comes Please take it up because today employers are going to look at your paper You know, we can't run away from that reality. That's a fact. If it's an employer at Angalianini papers And papers are just good papers and certificates. So the higher the Better and and the most strong you improve on your Qualifications the better and that will make you to go to a greener pasture But trying to change and go to greener pasture and how now how now what it takes to get in that greener pasture Can be frustrating and you can also become depressed and yet you had an opportunity to do that. Okay, sure I do I am a firm believer of education. Yes I also feel that this this day and age will also ask you for your 20 years old But they want 30 years of experience. So also experience is is is key You're just just do something go out there put yourself out there guys kindly Experience Very true Alright, so that mitigation methods we've talked about so far is talking to someone you said ventilation. Yes It's very important to talk to speak to someone probably ventilation could appear like, you know a big term no To vent is just to create space To express yourself Yeah, that you don't Who's the kind of guy? Do you know what I mean? No, I'm a familiar. So when you get the right person to talk to and Express yourself. That's what we call ventilating Letting the pressure out and we normally say a combo a problem share is a problem 50% I am a firm believer in that because after you talk, you know You start feeling some relief. Even if I don't give you the real Solution that you expected but just that we talked and somebody showed you concern Somebody showed you love someone showed that he cares It is already 50% done. So this other 50% to touch you good. Yeah, that is what called ventilation It is called the top therapy. Mm-hmm. Yeah, all right. So there's there's talking Wanted to ask is are things like exercise things that don't really involve Medication is exercise something that I can commit to doing and feel better about myself Exactly like in this book here The topic I think it is it is it is topic nine Where I'm talking about depression in schools Colleges and Universities it is chapter 8 and one of the mitigations have advanced here, which is true and some of my Colleagues, I'm sure they could even be watching now and they are in their dimension of physical education and science One of the mitigations that we advance in dealing matters depression and stress is physical exercise Yes, I know When we just sit there the body is inactive Even the thinking also is deactivated You know when you just go out and you engage in physical exercise and you're running it also opens up your mind and You feel relaxed So I agree with you because even if we went to the mental health doctors me I am a specialist in counseling psychology That's what my PhD is but we have a people who are just in the medical field and their specialization is mental health They will advance that mitigation and I agree with them that physical exercises key to reducing stress levels and Depression yeah, so I agree with you for that's why when you come luck in high schools Well, I worked some years back in even colleges. We have Know that program that young people need to go out and exercise Go out there and exercise and jump up and do what and laugh and create humor Oh that kind of you know, it helps you to begin to open up and to begin to see things positively So physical exercise Very very all right, so if you're wondering what we're talking about we are taking apart Professors book. It's called slaying the silent killer slaying the silent killer where the silent killer just happens to be Depression all right. So we've got an exercise. We've gotten talking. What else do we have? Maybe two more Many other mitigations like when it reaches a point Excuse me where It has become intensive then we recommend that You see a medical doctor Yeah, if you came to us and we assessed you we we can be able to determine Whether you need to see a medical doctor or not, but in advanced cases of depression we automatically advise that you seek the Council of a medical a mental health Doctor they will be able to prescribe Medication we have drugs that can help to relax your brain And you know, sometimes people get depressed to the level where they even become violent. You know that they can just become violent Wow, yeah, I assume depression Yes, you look it can also help make you explode it can people there's I'm sorry to say this but some one year ago. I Was watching a news Item on one of our TV stations and they were showing Somebody of age this person must have been in his either mid 50s right in the city here That he came to the office in the morning and he just took off Running Practically and he went on the streets one of these streets I don't want to to pin the place because I don't want to people to know who he is and he removed his coat He removed his shirt is a man and he remained with his vest He was almost removing his trousers and he was doing weird things because he was talking to himself He was yelling was screaming people coming to her to cool him down He became violent and that was an obvious case of depression And he left home when he was okay according to the people at home You see and he reaches the office and he just exploded You see so such a case What else do we recommend? We cannot recommend straight away the talking therapy that one immediately He needs to go for medication. He has to go and see a mental Health doctor so that they can prescribe some Medicines that can cool him before now he comes to us Not for the talking therapy Yes, so that is another mitigation Another mitigation is socialization Okay, yeah However people that you can you can socialize with get out there with people You know talk and Create humor laugh You know the people who are too serious for life and some guys here like in this studio What I'm considering Ah, I can't give you all the time trust me You need to laugh out Create humor sometimes, you know, it helps just create humor and be happy with with each other Pigeon high-five as you are living the studio, you know as you leave your place of work as you get home Sometimes me I get home and I play with them. I my now now they're big boys But when they were still young, you know, we would do a lot of dances with them I said Daddy, you know, we do just dance. You know what what I'm doing. I am killing stress I've just come from us So I come home and we dance we create humor and we do everything Yeah, all right. Thank you professor. Now. It's unfortunately our time is running out We can literally talk about mental health all day with you. I think I'm finding my niche guys All right, so again, this is slaying the silent killer. Maybe you could just raise it up So they can see the cover. How can they find it or how can they purchase it? Yeah, the silent killer is in most of our bookshops, okay but if because it was just launched this this month and Many bookshops have not procured They are there are their stocks Oh That one is okay So if you cannot get it in in the bookshops because it is a very new title then I Can if you allow me probably just I give a number that somebody can can can call And then we can discuss on how they can get the book. All right. Can I give the number? Yes, please zero seven three three? 64 that one 55 they'll get me if they don't get me somebody else will pick that Call that will be able to advise on how to get as many copies as as they want. Okay, sure Thank you so very much for coming professor. Thank you for hosting me I really hope that we can have more interactions like this whenever you are Discussing all things mental health. Please think of me Thank you viewer for staying with us this far the short study at seven will go up all the way till 10 a.m So, you know what time it is. It's time for uncle Sakua or at brand Sakua 101 to come through with a conversation with the gentlemen today on MCM Don't go away