 Welcome to the 1878 FM podcast. It is episode 25. I checked this reason. It's 25. So there you go. 25. Wow. I still don't find that relevant. Well, why I'm saying it's relevant is because it's the amount of games that Evan have played and the Unsure 17 goals. We've done the amount of podcasts, which means there's only been 17 occasions in those 25 when we've been able to discuss a goal. But when you actually drill down the numbers, I think it's only like 12 games they scored. And so that means there's been more podcasts where Evan haven't scored than have scored and we've done 25. So, I mean, I think also it just shows some kind of, you know, it shows it's an established thing now. I mean, a podcast that's 25 episodes old, not every podcast gets to that. And I think that we've had the key that Evan just read for sure. Yeah, I mean, it's OK, isn't it? There you go. And it's very enjoyable. We are, we're bushless today, which, you know, we've had a Hollywood, we've had a Hollywood today, we've got no bush. We'll be back on why he's not here in the people. Let's just get, listen, let's get the depressing side of football out the way. Is there any other? Yeah, I mean, you've had lots of really good shows, all like MLS, which wasn't depressing and other. There isn't where Evan are concerned, what's Evan coming through, it's the Alpin in the balloon. Dave, two games in what was it, five days, four days, five days, no goals scored, six conceded, two defeats, one more disappointing than the other. Because one, for me, was a very presentable chance of getting points. The other was a bit of a capitulation, which is, which is classic Evan. But, I mean, both defeats portrayed worry and signs, didn't they really that we just have not got a clue how to score a goal? Even when a goalie is seemingly laying on the floor and the ball is in the six yard box and there's no way you can miss, Tom Davies can try to not put the ball in the back of the net. But he's not the only one, as Sam Smith said. Yeah, it's it's it's it's more the worrying. I mean, it's I think it's just the it's the reality, isn't it of the situation? And, you know, in the same way that Daish was asked if it was a reality check after the the Villa defeats. And obviously it's not because he knows what he's come into. He knows he knows all of the strengths and many weaknesses of the squad that he's inherited. But I don't know. I just I find so we're, you know, we're recording this on the morning after the Arsenal defeat. And I found myself this morning just just feeling really, really flat. I mean, it wasn't helped by the fact that I watched a very well made. I thought BBC little short film about, you know, can ever be great again, you know, in which pretty much highlighted in Glorious Technicolor, you know, the potential doom that surrounds us while also having many shots of our beautiful new stadium and what division indeed we will be in at the time of entrance. Yeah, I just feel really it's a strange one because on one hand, it's not like we got battered 4-0 by Wolves last night. You know, we got beaten by arguably the best team in the land at the moment at their place. And there's no shame in being beaten by them, Wolves a bit heavy, but you know, there's no shame in being beaten by them. But I think it's just the whole aspect of just time running out and just thinking where do these where do these points come from? And when you track back to where we were last season and how tight our escape was and you just look at it now and just weeks go by and just points aren't coming in and you look ahead and I mean, Sunday is absolutely massive, you know, because you know, you just look ours, where are they going to come from? You know, I mean, you know, will we beat Brentford? Maybe, but they're a better side than us and have been all season. You know, Chelsea away, you don't fancy that. I mean, even under Potter, you know, Spurs, no Man United away. No. Well, I'm a better side than us, but we desperately need points there. Alice away, we need points there. And then we've got Newcastle who are good. You know, it's like, where do they come from? And by the time you get there, it's nearly May. I had a luck this morning. Someone put the fixtures up and put a nice easy set of fixtures next boys or something. And then, you know, when you see the fixtures out in front of you, because in your mind, you keep going, well, we've got 13 games to go, five wins. I know it's a big ass, but it's doable. But if you get a couple of quick wins and all that, but then when you look at the fixtures, so we've got forest, which is huge. You know, we could win that if we win it with a point behind them. That turns, I think that turns your mentality again then because you think, right, we've won a game and there's someone in and we've got a home game. But just imagine if we don't win on Sunday and then we don't beat Brentford. I know this is ultra negative, but I'm just saying just imagine. Say we drew, say we drew both games, right? Say we drew both games. We then go into games against, like you just said, Chelsea, Tottenham and Manchester United. Now, we don't ever beat Spears at home. No. Chelsea away, we haven't won this since 1995. 94, actually December 94. And Manchester United, we've won once in 25, 26 years, whatever it is there. So there's three plays, three teams. We don't, in those scenarios that we don't normally win. If you take that block of fixtures out, all of a sudden, they've got to win five of eight games. And one of them's Man City and one of them's Newcastle. So, so all of a sudden you're almost going, well, it's five and six then. Doesn't know. So Sunday, I don't think Sunday. I mean, you're looking at me like you want to throw something at me. But I think you're very, very honest. How big is Sunday? Because if we don't get it Sunday, I honestly think you never know what I would say to that. That's more than one foot in the game Sunday. I think Sunday's a must win now. An absolute must win because just to pull them back into it and keep teams close to us. It's not a particularly good bat mark for the table, but you know, you talk about the fixtures there and we've played all the teams who we needed to beat and he beat us most of them. And we just don't. I looked last night and I have seen different views on last night. Of course, a lot of people will be in the camp of, well, what did you expect? Who playing the top of the league? But I just looked at those two games. And again, I'm not. I thought we started quite well last night. I thought we had a good game plan and I thought we had a little bit of a threat going forward on the counter attack. But once it got into the box, it all stopped and exactly the same happened on Saturday against the very average ability. And I asked the constant, isn't it? It doesn't really matter what happens between, you know, the two penalty boxes. If you want the opposition into our box, you know, fall last night two at the weekend and there's none for us. And that's the problem. And I don't think it really matters who we play. They've destroyed this football because being destroyed by an inability to recognize that you need more than one sliker in the Premier League, which to me, if that was any other business, any other walk of life maybe apart from governing the country. I think you people would would be asking serious questions and the said company would go bust. Or certainly, you know, there would be people would be removed at the highest levels of it for not functioning properly. And that's where we are. And I just feel I feel really, really sad about the situation. I'm not angry about the situation. I'm just really, really sad because I think you can sit there and be defeatist and almost throw your toes out the prime and say, oh, we're going down at it. And it's like a folding. I genuinely believe we're going down. And it just, I feel, I feel helpless, feel helpless about it because you're watching the games and you know what should be happening. And it's not. And you look at what I mean. Ella Simpson didn't even get off the fence last night. You know, he brings on, he brings on like three defensive players. And you just like Son Davis ended up playing centre four. Yeah. And I think that's where we are. I think without if anyone's listen watching and thinking of this little boys, I, you know, what, what did you expect? Or are you overreacting? This to me, my feelings about last night wasn't the result. I said, oh, we had didn't fancy us. I said, Ned was going. And I said, could easily be another four or five. And he could see what was coming. It's not that. It's for me. It's the, it's like those first two goals. And the sack of goals brilliant. Don't get me wrong. He finishes it brilliantly. But Michael Enko just leaves. It's like not seeing danger. The second goal. Even if you can almost go, okay. The first goal. Well, the defensive sheet wasn't right. And we got done the second goal. What's, what's Garner doing? He goes on wins the ball brilliantly. If you look at, if you look at the way it unfolds, right, he makes the tackle on the halfway line. And he's the first ever player to get back and get the ball. He runs past people who maybe should go and get the ball, but he gets it. And then he looks round. Cause I think he thinks the referee's going to give him a free kick to Arsenal. And as he looks the other way, Martin Elliot or Sacher just pokes it forward on Martin Elliot. And it's like, you can't do that. You can't do it. I mean, Dave, what did you think when you showed that? I just, I couldn't believe that I was watching a similar huge error from Garner Gay. I mean, cause he's got form on that front. No, I mean, I've watched it back um 10 times and it doesn't get any better. You know, you, you watch it and you just, you just want to scream sort of Panto style. He's behind you, you know, what the fuck are you doing? Like how can you not see that? Um, but yeah. I mean, listen on the positives and commentators said as much, we did okay for the first, you know, 35, 40 minutes. Um, but then errors cost us. And then there was just a very typical capitulation, which we've seen many, many times. Um, I mean, you know, the other, the other concern, you know, without going into the detail is it affects our goal difference hugely. You know, and those four last night, I mean, that's a, that's a big chunk. You know, it's evening up and, and I mean for me, Sunday, Sunday's huge. And I think again to the, to the point of one foot in the grave on Sunday. And I think the reason why Sunday is so significant for me, i.e. If we don't beat them and you'd have to say looking at things at the moment, there's every chance that we won't get anything at their place. If we weren't so desperate for the points, I don't think any of us will be particularly confident about getting anything there, but it's an absolute necessity. I think the reason why Sunday is so significant for me is because in my mind, and this does help my stroke R cause is I'm earmarking a plummet from forest so that they actually end up going down. I have nothing against nothing in forest whatsoever. In fact, I have quite a few friends who are forest fans and I think they're a grand old club. And actually I'm very pleased to see them back in the top flight, but this is doggy dog. And therefore, in order just to save our own ass here is that I have earmarked them to occupy one of those bottom three places. Albeit, rather, hopefully, more than anything else. And I think that if we don't beat them, I think that to me is a real statement. And it's a real thinking our arm or whatever the expression is. Do you know what I mean? I think ultimately, if you can't beat a team like forest home all the way, then you are where you are, aren't you? Is it, I mean, at least the point is an absolute necessity, isn't it? I think we have to win though. No, I think we have to win as well. I think it's I think it's I think especially ordinarily buzz ordinarily. You'd say, yeah, do you know what? We need a point there and a point there. But this would this would all be dependent upon more more games in front of it. And I think the problem that we have and going back to the the rather depressing stats that you mentioned before in terms of, you know, those five wins and how little opportunity we have to get them. I think this is an absolute. It's an absolute necessity. Here's a here's a frustrating thing. Is that we all know that if they play in the sense that it's an absolute do or die must win cup final, right? And they have to start doing that away from home as well. Got to got to have to start doing it. You can't just say, oh, you know, we'll turn it on at Goodison in front of 40,000 of our own fans. Bullets of that. You've got to do it everywhere, right? Because you need points everywhere. Even if you go for the win and you end up with a point, whatever, at least you've given it a go, right? And they've got to start doing that. And the frustrating thing is that we know based upon the result against Arsenal, for example, and some of the performances that we've we've seen under Dice is that they're fully capable of winning away at Forest fully capable of doing it. If they actually apply themselves and don't make stupid mistakes. I mean, Ghana's got to be dropped now, surely. What do you think? Do you think you'll drop? I don't think you will be dropped. I think it was a terrible mistake, but I also think he's played well in the last two or three games. And I don't know if you've played them for Dave's. I think that's the major problem. Sorry, I've gone back to you now. But if the way to is the way to look at this game, if this was at Godduson Park, we'd expect to win on Saturday, wouldn't we? Regardless of what's going on, wouldn't we bring you look at them? I think Forest will stay up because of their home form. So you've got to disrupt that, haven't you? You've got to beat them at home because you might send them into a negative. Exactly. And you need to drag another one in there. You've read out the names before of the games, and you do struggle to think where we're going to pick up the points. And of course football doesn't always work like that. But when you haven't got a goal scorer, there has to be some give, doesn't it? And there has to be some upward momentum. There has to be some positivity. And if we were to lose three games in a week going into games against Brentford and Chelsea, I think a lot of people, a lot of people would fear the worst and that negativity will then continue into the stadium. And then we know what the offshoot is from that. Do you think Dom will be involved? He didn't rule him out last night. And I think it's getting to the stage where it's desperate now. And that is not the answer. I don't know. And what Dom would you get? What Dom would you get? Does he need two or three games to get himself up to speed? Well, what did he do? What did he do? I just think it's a really horrible position to be in because you just look at the bench and you ask where are the solutions and there aren't any solutions to the problems. And everybody else seems to have something they can call on, whether it's a Southampton with a world prowess free kick. Or West Ham with bloody Danny Ains and stuff. And it's things like that. And that's the thing that pissed me off the most the other day. And I've kind of harped on about him a few times. But it's just because he was one of those players that was available. And he knows where the net is. And he scores goals. And he did exactly at the weekend what we know he can do. And I know he's injury prone. And I know he was too expensive and whatever. But we're talking about desperate times here. And if it weren't him, then somebody else like him. But it had to be an absolute priority that we got another forward option in. Somebody who can score some goals. And the fact that they didn't and the likely effect of that, if we're talking about the worst, which of course we are, is that that's almost criminal in terms of that's criminal negligence. No it is. David's why it's why lads and girls and me include that are marching up the battle lane every game. Because this can't go on. I know I don't want to drag this into the other stuff. But this just can't go on. Do you think that people are destroying that football? No, I know. They're destroying it. Do you think that Everton, we know, don't we that Everton were only able to spend £5 million in January before Anthony Gordon? So they were only able to spend £5 million without getting before the Premier League had to approve the deal. Do you think Everton should have put pressure on the Premier League as a football club and gone? We understand what your concerns are. However, you're putting our Premier League safety at. Don't you know? No, no. That's passing the blame on now. And I think the days have gone now where we have to, as a fan base, and I'm sorry to go on militants here, but I think as a fan base, it's the same arguments I keep on seeing about Dominic Armill and this and Dominic Armill and that. Dominic Armill has been injured for 18 months. I mean, Dave said at the beginning, let you on the first episode of this that we thought he was done. That was back in August. This football club has got to take complete responsibility for that of not going out and getting a second striker who is capable of scoring goals. It's completely on them. I'm not asked if you think Dominic Armill can't be bothered getting out of bed in the morning or is too busy doing this or too busy doing a way for shavers. I couldn't care less. It's on the football club. They have made a massive mistake. You can have your owner coming out saying, where are we getting a striker? And then blaming it on Dan Duma walking away or whatever. It's their fault. It's their fault. And I'm not absolving them a blame. I'm just saying. But the thing is though, what if he can just come out and go or the Premier League started to just go, it's a rule. See, I see it as an extra failing on their part. The fact on evidence for football's part. The board, the owner, as to why. If Danny Ings, and we might have discussed it on here, Dave, at the time, but we certainly did. He'd done a press conference whenever we're linked with Danny Ings. And he mentioned a couple of things about him like he liked them. And then when West Ham signed them, they asked them about him and his face was ffuming Frank Lampard. Now, whether or not, whether or not Frank Lampard was the right man or whatever. But his answer was very unlike Lampard at the time because he'd been so cool and collected. And he almost snapped back as if you could say he was someone he wanted. And if Everton could only offer five million and Villa wanted 10, 12 million down payment for him, if you think about West Ham paid for him, then Everton, in my opinion, should have gone to the Premier League and gone, okay, we'll sell someone by June 30th again then. We'll do the same thing. It's right. You're right. And I absolutely agree with you there. And to be honest, you're right. We need to remove the excuse because it's the football club that's done this. But what I mean is that would have shown me that we're fighting for it still even. But the fact that he's just gone now. You're right. You're right. You know, if they suddenly had to, if things are that tight and they suddenly had to find 10 million power from somewhere and that was going to result in the sale of a couple or three or whatever, you know, minor squad players or whatever it is. I don't know. They could have done that because they needed to get that player in then. I mean, sorry, but that in itself, that in itself was already the second and final chance because that striker should have been bought last summer, right? But wasn't. So we've already lost half the season without, you know, capable fire power up front. So this January thing was an absolute must have. Yeah. And they didn't do it. Absolutely. You know, and here we are, you know, and without, you know, trying to overcook it. It's like watching your, you know, it's like watching a loved one die. That's how it's like. And you're helpless. You sit there. You want it. You should talk. And you're helpless. And you don't even. I can't. I don't even. I can't even get like, I get like frustrated when players do things they did last night. Like I'll never understand in a million years why defenders run to the goal line instead of marking a player who's on his own. It's almost like we'll go to the line if he hits it, we can block it. Now me, go on, put pressure on the ball. Put pressure on the ball. He hasn't got a free shot of the goal like for the third goal embarrassing. And it winds. That winds me up, but you do sit there. Like I sat there on Saturday against Fillette with our half time thinking if we had like don't fit when he's on form or another striker, Danny Ings, it might be Dave. Like you said, someone who goes into the right areas. We'd have been, we'd have been two up at half time against Fillette. They've been a different game. And everyone wouldn't be where they are. And then you see Saturday night, Danny Ings scoring more goals in three minutes than Malpie's got all season. And the both, because he's in the right area, both of them, he's just in between the post ready to score. And it's like, that's what we need something like if it wasn't Danny Ings fine, but get somebody else. Somebody, you know, and don't, don't tell me that there was nobody available. Don't tell me that. It's bollocks. It's absolute bollocks. I've read the thing out from the fan of Asie board with questions for the board. Good questions. And the board's answerable and it was about the January transfer window. And the board's answer was we were looking. We identified and began our search in September for reinforcements for Frank Lampard squad for the first team squad. Well, for starters, that's too bloody late because that's the August window. Well, exactly. So the August window went and then they decided to identify forwards. Okay, great. Why were you in any day then on January the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth set? There was nobody. There was nobody who everything could get who would have required a down payment of £4 million or £5 million. Cos that's what a lot of strikers do you come for. Yeah, you might agree on a Friday 50 for £25 million on this club. Yeah, we'll accept the £5 million down payment. Then we'll pay you five million next season, five to year at whatever, whatever. You could have got someone who's mobile and Big Southampton got on Attuwe who's six foot seven or whatever from Belgium. Everton tried to get him at the end of the window and then Southampton went and got him. We take bloody humour on the ass at the minute wouldn't we? 100% 100% cos he's more mobile or was more mobile than the one. And listen, we've said it a lot of times. Neil Mawpai's not the answer but Neil Mawpai didn't say to Everton, come and get me and the one who'll get your own goals and Everton went and bought him. Then we put him in a team. That didn't play the way Brighton did anyway and certainly doesn't play the way Brentford did when he was at Brentford. So even though I'll have a go with him and go he's not doing enough I'm not actually having to go with Neil Mawpai the thing. It's just he doesn't work in our system and you can see he's got zero confidence as well. It's all strikers. It's all, it all boils down to the same thing. It's all recruitment. Yeah. And that's been that's been the case. That's the answer to all of this. Managers, staff, you know, directors of football, everything. All, all recruitment. And just a colossal waste of money to make us into side that's worse than it was before we started. 100% and on that note let's move on because that's enough. Talking of recruitment we recruited Andy Bush. And he's turned into be he's not a never I don't think we never call him a never presence because he's not factual. He's not and he's dropped the clang this morning. Dave, isn't he? He's dropped the clang as to why he's not involved. He did. Yeah, he did indicate this week might be a little bit difficult because it's half term and he had the little one but he's clanged us off this morning. Hasn't he? He has. Yeah. I mean he did as far as I was aware I thought he blamed it on. I don't think it is half term. Actually, I think half term was was last for anyway. I think he blamed it on something I think his Mrs is working which therefore leads him more in charge of the kids than than is normal. But yeah, in addition to to being a busy and hardworking dad which he undoubtedly is absolutely is that he is recording today an interview with Mr Jake clang bug clang which is why he sadly can't be here. So for for fans of Andy Bush and I know that there are many all many we can only offer our apologies for his non participation in today's performance and that we dearly hope that he will return to his usual slot next week as a leadership group with us which I'd like to call us three yeah. Are we concerned that we've had two different excuses though is this a case of you know me hamstrings a bit tight oh I've got a car ffinsery and I can't make it. Is there any of that for you that you getting is there any kind of concern that we're getting mixed messaging as to why an absence is there or do you just think he's not mentally in the right space of the moment? Andy Bush ultimately you're talking about an exciting talent on the verge of I think dominating the the channel five marketplace marketplace I think I think he's on the verge I think that'll be his next cusp that'll be his next big move is an exciting talent is a prospect Is a money you have given obviously a cash race which is which is of course that's my name Yt it and I expect him to maybe take over the Jane McDonald soft very very soon on the hang on hang on hang on go on day before we we go down this yes inevitable Goldy sack are you proposing Peter in parallel yes full-type cruising I think that's, I think that's. I mean, it does. It does give me connotation. You've got both sides of it though and you've got ambush, which is obviously the more hard hitting because I actually think because I was listening to something on the way in. I was listening to a podcast and it was about a gangster and they were talking about like Roger Cook. Are you accusing Andy Bush for being in the criminal underworld? Oh, okay. Sorry. Sorry. And I was thinking he was like do something about Roger Cook back in the day. And I was thinking you could have Andy Bush as the hard hitting journalist trying to catch crooks in Marbella, right? And that would be ambush. Ambush, I like that, yeah. So take it from the funny connotation of like the line. To a more serious. To a more serious. He was that fellow Donald thingy who used to like Donald Trump. Donald, Donald, DLNA. Another ex dancing on ice person as well as Dave Donald. Donald McIntyre at once. Yeah, Donald McIntyre, he went undercover, covered his hands in there. Are you suggesting Bush or going undercover? I think Bush is multi faceted on one hand. He will be ambush. Yes, that's my name. And then on the other side, cruising with Bush. When I when I think of cruising with Bush, I just think of something like, you know, Hold to Rotterdam Ferry or something like that. That's the thing I get. I was thinking like canal canal. No, no. It goes to a city and it's Bush on Bush. Bush on Bush action. Will it? Will it be pixelated? Say a bit of it. Maybe just a bit. Only in Japan. The Bush on Bush will be pixelated. Is that what we're saying? Full pixelation. Bush on Bush. Bush on Bush. Bush on Bush action. I think I think it's. Yeah, yeah. There is something there. There is. Bush meets Aborigines. No, I mean, that's just doesn't work, does it? No, no, no. It's a category. But I'd like to see him doing this kind of thing. Bush, Bush in Perth. Leaton X-pats. No, if there's a lot in Australia after he's done Bush on Bush, he could then go around different parts. Sydney Bush. I think we start with Bush on Bush. And then we can. I like cruising with Bush more, I think. What if we send them to university to a masters and we call it something like a fully developed Bush. But that, I mean, that's playing the long game and it's got a goal. Can you not just get like a masters like that guy will get old and he's got a passion. No, no, no. Surely Leaton's saying a passing out honoree degree to people like Bush. Bush should surely happen. Bush with honours. Bush with honours. Honoree Bush. Honoree Bush. There's lots of them, isn't there? There's lots of possibilities. I would like to see Bush in a cap and gown. There you go. I mean, and that would be in many ways. That would be impressive Bush, I think. There you go. Or we send them round to the best barbers in the country. We call it a trimmed Bush. What about if you went the Alps and it becomes Sheppard's Bush, you just look at the goats and stuff for a week? Yeah, yeah. I mean, really. I mean, in many ways. He's a TV commissioner's dream, isn't he? Yes. Because the possibilities are endless. In fact, and this is maybe where we need to be clever with all of this. Because if we all agreed that he is on the cusp of greatness, is that I think that maybe we need to step in here and make sure that we don't get left out of the loop. Ie, we need to be his management team behind all of this, and therefore we need to trademark all of these potentially award-winning Bush TV series so that we can have control of his career. Didn't he make TV? Wasn't there TV, I think, of Bush? There was Bush Tellies, yes. What if only Bush goes round the world tracking look-alikes and we call it two in the bush? Yep. It's worth harming in hand. There you go. See, that's another trademark, see? This episode 25, 1878, this is acting as the trademark. You know the way you just have to, like, write the letter with your ideas on and get a date and stamp to prove you with the fate and send it to Royal Mail and they'd send it somewhere like a PO box so that you had the copyright. It was my idea on this date. Or to riff off one of our favourite films, Three Amigos. We could get him to learn how to sing and he could be the singing Bush. What a bit in the film, by the way. Great, you've killed that invisible swordsman. What a film. Not enough to date reference. But that's a great film. It is a great film. It's a classic Bush. Those are the sort of films I like to watch. They're brilliant. We've got some good ideas there. Channel 5 will become a calling. She must, I mean, she's definitely, definitely coming towards the twilight now, Jane McDonnell, of them cruises. The twilight of what? Of a career. No, not a life. No, I just think it needs a refresh. So, but it needs a rebrand. Need a refresh. And Bush, cruising with Bush, copied them on. If we're talking about, like, in the days of equality, you need a male version, don't you? A male perspective as well. Absolutely, yeah. You know, you need a male version and what better, what better male is there to have a good look at a Bush? Why not? In this world? I believe it. You've got to look at everything, haven't you? Whether that's no Bush, Bush, bit of Bush. I mean, there's lots of stuff you could just have. Like, you could do shorts and then it would be a bit of Bush. YouTube shows the way you've got just a little bit of it. I see what you've done there. So, you've cleverly used shorts in two contexts. Exactly. And that you have, Dave, because you start. So, we're all now, we're thinking of ideas for Channel 5. We've got Channel 5's programme and planned for the next three years. What if we send them on one ship and we go on another ship and we go looking for them and we call it... Looking for Bush. No, cruising for Bush. Hang on, that's where we've come full circle. Because cruising for Bush, or was it cruising with Bush? No, cruising for Bush. Cruising with Bush it was, but we're cruising for Bush. OK, you're right, you're right. That's the spin-off. That's like the ITV 2 one. See, if Channel 5 had a backup channel, you'd have cruising with Bush, but what he wouldn't know is we were on the next one. Let's just call it the Lusitania. That survived. That one survived, didn't it? We're shadowing him, so we're cruising. Shadow Bush, I don't know about that. We're cruising for Bush. We're on the top boat. We're on the lesser boat. Two different perspectives for Bush. Or on Bush. I do quite like that. We're on the same boat and we're making... ..just the counterpoint of the tea. This is amazing and we'll go over and go, no, that's horrible. Could we be like the guerrilla thing of Bush? Testing a new 17-course meal. We're filming him. We're getting the b-roll with Bush. B-roll with Bush? Be keeping with Bush? And then Dave could do like the healthy aspects and it could be called Vitted Us Vitamins, something like that. Just little offshoots. I've got another one. He could train to be a wrestler and he could be the new Bush wacker. There's a lot of... There's a lot there. It's a name which affords him many possibilities. Versatility, I like to call it. Versatility with Bush. There's a lot of it. If in some episodes we could take his involvement down, and just call it like Trimbach Bush. I think, listen, I think what we're all saying here is that as much as we would like to manipulate him and in many ways take advantage of him and his position in the media industry, we do need him back, I think, don't we? They've got to just run these ideas by him. I think we do need to have him back because he's been the opposite of an ever-present. I think you'll find, by the way, talking of which, I think I'm the only one who's been here for every episode so far. You are ever-present and that is fine. We certainly haven't got ever... Thank God we haven't got ever-present Bush, that's not my thing. Now it's just done a picture. He's going to put it on. Put it on and we'll send it to Dave in a minute. OK, so that is George W. Bush in what looks like a tree or a bush. George W. Bush in a bush. Bush on bush. Bush on bush. We don't know that. It will be a different context. It will be a different context. Have you ever felt Dave that your life's been wasted because of his second name? I don't think wasted. It doesn't give me as many possibilities as our aforementioned friend, that's for sure. But you listen, you can only work with what you've been given. That's it. Andy Bush. I told you. Vitamins with 50. Andy Bush has actually sent in a question for the show today. So that's how good he is. Great that he's taken part. He's taken part. OK, well that's nice of him. And what he said is, have you ever seen a famous person at a service station? He said, I've seen Ian Holloway at Keel. So he's gone with Ian Holloway at Keel being the most famous person he's seen at a service station. Listen, and I'm about to blow your mind here. I too have seen a celebrity at Keel services. And there's not even a joke. Cool for it. And his name is Aliash. You know the professional dancer from Strictly. That was fellow warning. He did win it with Abbey Clancy I believe. But he's danced with many, many people. But I saw Aliash in the WH Smith Keel services southbound. And I was buying a Turkish delight. And I don't know what he was buying. I was behind him in the queue. That is fair play. I've seen Jolian Lescott at Oxford services. Have you? It's nice services that. They've got like a very nice outfit. They're very nice. Modern and leaky. They are. Especially like obviously. That was around the time going down for the FA Cups. You'll show me fans when you go down for Cuff fans or whatever around that time of the year when it's a bit of a barmy day. It's a good place to stop for a wee as well. Because if you go any further than that you're starting to get into the outskirts of London and you're starting to get a bit iffy. But actually that's a good tactical stop for a wee. It's very good. Just pause. Look at the back of that telly. It's a bush. It's a bush. That's just notice it then after we've finished. But there you go. We've got a monitoring bush. That's our buddy in there. Bush screen. Monitoring bush. Have you seen anybody famous at service feet? I thought once I saw Paul Burrell. But it wasn't him. A why is he in Diana's former butler? Why was he stood in the sweet Isle gum? Ha! Ha! I'm just telling people about Diana. I thought it was him but it wasn't. OK. Beth dyna bod ddra'r acol? Ynín i ddigon, nid i ddim yn defnyddio, andrwydd pan rydyn ni'n rhoi'r gamin a'r ffwrdd er fawr, felly roi'r gwn cywledig ond yn y prop i'n nadair, a fydde iddyn nhw'n myw'n bwysig hwn ar hyn, a'r ddau'n bwysig hefyd, rydyn ni'n mynd wedi'n bwysig hwn, ac rydyn ni'n bwysig hefyd. gyda' un gweithioio'r dysgu gyda'r Feir Fythredd eleni, a pheth ddych chi'n dal. Mae'r bydd o hyn a gwneudio, sydd yn ddif ēa bwrdd yONE, a dyda'r bydd, ac mae'n gweithio'r byddanol. Y cweliad yw beth o'r Ymwneud. Gweithio'r byddon. Fythdu'n meddwl yma. Mae ardal i godfyrdd yma. Mae'n ddifennod. Mae'n ddif atrás. Mae'n dod yn diwrnod. Mae'n meddwl. Mae'n tybu bêl, on the plane. That's all. John Macon, the day after he scored against Everton when City Beatles 5, 1, sorry 2 days after, in Barney, in Universal Studios. What's in Barney? I met Alastair Alastair Andrew Pestoni in Disney World. I see Mark Pembrodie in Epcot. Mark Pembrodie in Epcot when he left Everton with Everton short on. For much City Winger, Jesus as well, met him in Disneyland Paris. I saw Gareth Gates in Alton Towers. Tremendous. Next to the log ride. Godol gas. And I've stayed in the same hotel as Stan Bourbon. I'm surprised there wasn't any kind of attack by the Germans on it. Well, do you know what? It's funny you should say that. Genuinely, genuinely, we didn't arrange this. I mean, we haven't had any pre-production meeting or anything. So what happened was, so I was away with my current ex-wife many, many moons ago. And we were staying in this hotel in Mallorca, but it's a German-run hotel. When we get out there, and we've got our little one, and we go to the pool bar at about 10 o'clock at night, just to go and get something to eat, and could be travelling all day. Anyway, we get there, and I realise on the table next to us is Andrea Boardman, former Kids TV presenter, who I used to know years ago. And then she's there with Dad, Stan and Mum and all the family. Anyway, we end up kind of like moving. She's like, oh, I love how are you? We end up kind of moving our tables together, and we have a couple of drinks with them. The next morning, you have to do what you do in most German hotels, which is to go and stick the towels down on the beds early doors before breakfast. So I get up at about eight o'clock in the morning and go and do the towels thing. And as I go down to the pool, a kid you not, Stan is having a stand-up row, right, with this fella on a sunbed, and he's saying, did you move our towels? Did you move our towels off the beds? And the guy's saying, oh my God, those were our beds. Anyway, he's having this proper stand-up row with him, right, at which point the hotel manager, who's a very kind of smooth German guy, comes down and he kind of goes, Mr Boardman, you know, shall we have this conversation back in the reception? He's away from all of the watching people who are now sort of, you know, watching this as a bit of a show. Of course, yeah. And then as he walks along the pool side, and I'm there kind of, you know, he's wicking what's going on, as I'm taking my time putting the towels on our beds. And he sees me and he's like, all right there, David, are you going, I'm in trouble with the Germans again? And then off he goes, and then that was it. And that was day one, that was day one on what was a week-long holiday, as a Stan Boardman in a German-run hotel. And yeah, every day was just kind of more and more antics from him. So true story. Clasic Bourbon, Clasic Bourbon. Clasic Bour.... Eidem efo'i gyda Siwr? Eidem efo'i gyda Siwr? Eidem efo'i gwerthol i chi gyda'i gyda Siwr? Neil Dutton, ond Youswitair. Mennol nesaf, Nils, eu cwmwyur, ti ddim yn ddigonatol yn adeithiol, a'r ddweud yn cofio chi i'n rai oeddi am yr ysgol. Fi ddechrau yn yr ysgol? Naid. Why won't Cabri UK bring back the Spire? Dofnydd hi'n gweithwyr. Poeddi'n ddigon! Rydyn ni wedi bod spyrystau? No, ac mae'n ffordd y gwn i gynnydd. Rydyn ni'n mynd i gael y tamafu. Metoddau yn y hongkongu. Rydyn ni wedi bod y spyr. Rydyn ni? Y spyr? Y spyr. Ysp! Mae'n ymddo i, mae wedi gweld, mae bwysig ysgol! Rydyn ni'n mynd i'n spyr. Dwi'n gwyllwch ar gael, wrth gwrs. Rydyn ni, mae'n gynyddu lluniau o bwysig, mae'n gynyddu lluniau. Byddwyd eich cwymu i'r ymdorg. Fflaid hwnnw, nid yw'r ffordd teithio. Felly i fi chi'n dweud ychwanegol. Felly mae'n gallu gwneud hwnnw. Rwy'n cael ei gydag i ddweud. Rwy'n gallu'n ddweud'r llwre Gasigol. Mae ddiwg wedi ddweud yr oedd Ymdorg. Mae'r Llyfr Gwmp inni, Chychwyddiad yn olygot i'r môl yma. Chychwyddiad am ymarfer. Chychwyddiad ffagorol o sylweddau i'r llwyddiad. gyda ulyffod mwych. Dwi'n meddwl a r嘿fodd. Rhyw o'r meddwl y Tychyl Gweithio. Mae'r gweld ddiwedad hyn o'n ymlaen o'r gweithio. Wrth gwrs, ddangos o'r gweithio yn iawn llawer, ac yn i'r gweithio archwilio chi a fyddai'r gweithio ychydig. Nid o'r mawr i'r cael ei ffordd eu chael. Gwybod, os yn eu gweld ddaw nhw, I would support that. Do you know what I had the other day? I don't think, weird, I don't think I've ever had one before. I thought, how have I got to my late 30s in life and having never tried this treat? I was in Halfordd. Take your late 30s! Anyway, I was in Halfordd. Just skate over that, go on. On the counter at Halfordd, for some reason, they were selling Cadbury Boosts. Okay, Boosts. Anyway, they sell stuff at the counter because it's like an impulse buy. It's a panic, isn't it? It's a panic buy. You've gone in there for the ICER and screen wash, and then while you're there, you think, oh, do you know what, for another 80p or a pound, I'll have a boost. So I did. And I don't think I'd ever tried it. And I have to say, it ticked all of my chocolate boxes. And that's not a phrase that I've said before. I was going to say, Dave, I mean, that might be a different podcast, but there you go. It ticked them all. And I thought, wow, this is a taste sensation. And to the point that actually, next time I was in a shop that you would more readily associate with confectionary rather than Halfordd's, I actually bought a packet of Boosts, and I think that they are in many ways one of my favourites. Was there a different type of boost? Wasn't there two types of boost? It was like Caramel. Caramel and a biscuit. There was a little feature this morning, this morning as I was flicking over, and I did see that there was some kind of, well, you know, it's Easter time. There's always limited edition. And I did see there was some kind of limited edition. Was it not Whisper? What's the other one? There's another one. I can't remember what it was. No, are you talking about the Orange Twirl here? No, I don't have to go. Oh, the Orange Twirl. Dave, that was a show in 2019. We had people going up and down the country to get us Orange Twirl. When people went to away games, they would help themselves a lot of the time. Possibly, yeah. Because football fans do tend to help themselves to things. That white creme eggs have got to go, I'm afraid. I've not tried one, but I'm not happy. I'm not a big fan of white chocolate anyway. In fact, to be honest with you, I'm not a big fan, controversial, maybe, spoiler alert. I'm not a huge fan of creme eggs full stop. I don't mind, I mind them around a bit. Yeah, I mean, it's good that they're not available all year round. It's the kind of, yeah, it's the kind of the white. Yeah, what is it? Do you know what I mean? Exactly, what is it? You don't know what it is. You see, if it's caramel, if it's caramel, you know what it is, but it's just kind of, it's sort of a slightly, you know, mysterious, white, sticky substance in the middle of it. I don't think you should go anything that's white and mysterious and sticky. Not again. Not this week. Not for Dave's chocolate box anyway. Chris McNally says, is salad creme the go-to sauce for cheese and onion on toast? I don't think I've ever eaten salad creme in my life. That's just a fact. Cheese and onion on toast. I mean, we're talking crisps obviously, are we, or actual cheese and onion? No, I think he's talking cheese and onion, real cheese melted cheese with real cheese and onion. I don't know, apparently. Apparently, I mean, I've had cheese on, I mean, off for years, but I've had a bit of Welsh rabbit in me time, but I would never have dabbled with salad creme on it. Maybe a bit of brand sauce, maybe, but I can't even remember really doing that, but I wouldn't have thought salad creme would accompany that, Dave, would you? Not for me, but then again, I tend to put spicy mayo on everything because it does that for me. Yeah, I like the hot peri peri. Yeah, or do you know what there's a really good, there's a Nando's spicy kind of perinease or whatever, a hot one, that's good on everything, that makes everything more interesting. That's the one I meant, to be honest, I think you've nailed it. Yeah, yeah, that's good. I'm a big fan. Mark Ellison has said, receding hairlines, leave it there or shave it off. What's the, what's the? Well, you know, I feel almost qualified to do this because I think I've got quite a high hairline. Even though I've got a lot of hair, I've got kind of high hairline. Oh, my hair's there as well, mate, but I wouldn't, but that's just one of those things. You know, I think that's probably, you know, from years of inbreeding, my mum's in the island now, you know, so I mean, these things happen, unfortunately, you know, and you know, you have to do with the, you know, you get, get dealt a certain hand, don't you? But I wouldn't be advocating shaving my hair off for that reason. But I think that when you get to the point and I'm trying to think of a good example, Alan Shearer maybe is a good example who for years sort of had that very little bit on the top and you just thought, just shave it off. And then he now has, but I think if that's the question, if it's, you know, if it's nearly gone, just get rid. I think you've got to be. I think you've got to. You've got to just attack it full on. I had quite an interest in chat with Joe last week when I was making a coffee. Joe, one of the younger lads here, who is a old Joe like mid-20s. Who's really worried about his hairline, really, really worried about his hairline. And he's taken all kinds of things already put on putting buying stuff to put on and everything. He's like, he's like really worried about it. I was thinking, hey, that's not good position to start worrying about it. Like you'll be worrying your own hair. Exactly. You're worrying it off. But genuinely, you know, genuinely though, and it must be, you know, this game quite serious for a minute, going from cheese and onion and Cadbury's boost and stuff. But it must be really difficult for some people where you, you know, a lot of people do lose their hair at the age of 20, 21, 22. My brother-in-law, you know, did. I know lots of people that did, and it must be weird. You know, I feel, you know, I think as we're all well, well-haired gentlemen, but I think for that we should be lucky. I do think there's a TV program in there again with Andy Bush with hair. Yeah, I think there's something in there again. OK, go on then. I can't think of a title. I can't think of a title. But you think Bush should be presenting a hair or no hair or like. But like deal or no deal trim on trim or no trim with Bush. I mean, you said you didn't have a title, but I'm just throwing a title out there. That is quite, I mean, you know, again, the versatility of Andy Bush around Bush always returns to the fall. Listen, how about how about how about this for how about this for an idea? Now that we're now that we're brainstormed. Now we're riffing again. Go on now we're riffing right with spitballing. Isn't that what the Americans call spitballing? Is that if Andy Bush was to investigate or even showcase really, really dangerous stuff, right? Like dangerous expeditions early. Ross Kemp stuff. Yeah, but but but better. I know hair. But yeah, carry on. Yeah, more funny than that. Oh, OK. Yeah, so could it be something like Bush's hairy moments or Bush's hairy encounters? You know, like really scary hairy stuff, scary. You know, yeah, would you just be targeting people who've got no hair though? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because the head is just hairy moments, you know, when life when life gets scary. But for the I mean, that sounds like that sounds like a really, really late night channel five show that would need a really dramatic title like something like shit on Bush. I don't think you could get away with that. How could you even channel five? It's a channel five. Really, really late night. Which is the one that channel five or channel four have naked attraction on? You'd have to tell me which one is a four. Four of all. It's all E4 all the time. E4 show. So they love that little bit of edginess. The other night I'll just tell you this because I just thought it was it was a bit mad. So we'd be watching. Oh, you could have you could have a look like show where people brought in people who look like Andy Bush. Yeah. And it could be called show me a bush. Show me a bush. That's a good channel four picked up so keep that. Keep that there. We've got that. Put that there. It's safe. It's with the bendy bully in your three-pound bus fair to get home. So me and me missers are watching the gold the other night and she fell asleep as you do. So you've got it. You've got it. You've got it. Pause that and you've gone. I am nearly asleep. Blah, blah, blah, blah. So when I made a drink and I come back in. And I stopped, obviously you do so stopped because it's on the iPlayer. So it went back to cable version TV and as it went back, naked attractions on course it was default. Yeah. The default channel, the default show and it's two gay men. Okay. Great. So they've been picked. They stood there. Bolo co everything and gone out. What's the deal talking a bush one at one. One at bush. One didn't have bush show bush or no bush. There's the other deal waiting for the young gentlemen to come back on. Who's picking them and he comes back on Bolo co without a stick on his beard. So he comes in and the woman presents her goes like what do you think? So the two lads are I and I'm up and I Richard the name is Richardson. It reaches. It's called Anna. So we just got Anna because they've been very good actually. I listen. She's great at saying Richardson. I've just checked. Anna Richardson. She's great at saying, oh, do you like the lips on her? Oh, do you like his? That's what she's like. She loves it. Oh, she didn't know detail is there can never be too much detail with Anna. But she looks and she goes, what do you think? The lads like one of them goes something like oh, he's got nice big balls. So which Anna goes? Yeah. Would you like to have them in your mouth? Well, lovely. Yeah. So the fella goes something like oh, yeah, I'd like to give them a whatever. And then she goes to the other fella. Would you like to give those balls a suck as well? And I just thought, you know, if someone like one of my children walked in at that moment as I've come back in from making a drink, stunt gold, as that's on, they be going. Why are you asking questions? Why are you watching further? As I said, that's why I don't feel like any of these titles or shows we've been creating for Andy Bush are out of the reach. Do you remember that one? I was just thinking then, sorry, I was just thinking then, just while it's on me. I was thinking swap Noel Edmonds for Andy Bush and instead of money, it will be garden and stuff. And you can call a bush or no bush. Yeah. Secateurs and stuff. Instead of that, you open the box up and it's like you win. Like a penny would be like a pop plant, you know, just a pop plant. Sorry, a pop plant. Children more than that. And then you open it up and you got a big, you got a big, you know, you got a big thing. I mean, you couldn't hide it in the back. It'd have to be the key. It'd have to be the key to it. You couldn't because you choose just the big thing, wouldn't you? You choose the big box, which clearly has got one more. All of that you sit on before the leaves. A lot of leaves though, wouldn't you leave that with me? Leave that one alone. Yeah. There you go. You know, sometimes, as you know, good things come in small packages, don't they? Apparently so. Apparently, that's what net sales are for. We are very helpful with that. So yeah, there you go. I mean, we've done a lot of, we've talked about a lot of things today. I didn't think. Covered a lot of ground, haven't we? You know, I mean, considering, considering we had, we had not a great deal of source material today. But I think that we have, I think that we have masked that well. And I think that, you know, nobody having watched this for the last hour would think that we were adding in any way. I don't, I don't see, I don't see this pattern. I think we've cracked the open discussion. I think the bus code has been cracked. I think, you know, if you ever see a crack with bushing, you have to take it there. I think we took, we took questions from the audience. Yeah, we did, which is always one of my favourite things. We've discussed the spider, which I wasn't, I didn't think when I got up this morning, mulling over evidence, latest defeat, that a spider would be discussed. And I certainly didn't think we'd be talking about following Andy Bushland on a cruise. So, you know, I think we've covered a lot of, a lot of broad subjects. So there you go. I mean, the one thing, the one thing that we should say is that, you know, Shane McDonald needs to perhaps look over her shoulder. Absolutely. Because, you know, she's got a bush right behind her. She's really asking, you know, on maybe she could have last one. And this could be just filling out. Go on. The crew, the crew's looking for, the show called Looking for Bush, where she's on one boat, he's on another. And it's almost like a game of... This sounds like the one we were playing before. No, no, but this is, I'm going to involve Shane McDonald. It's going to be a fan of that. And it's going to be a big game of hide and seek, or maybe like a, like a game of battleships. Andy Bush is on one boat. He's trying to keep himself hidden from her. There are various different boats that he could be on. And she's, she's looking for bush. I feel like we used that before. That's fine. Now you're giving it to McDonald as a swarai, as a like a golden handshake before she gets off. Fair play. Gets off the boat. Gets off the boat. Gets off the boat. Gets off the boat. Off the boat. And on that note, on that note, let's leave it there because I had another one I was going to bring out on a knock on him. Let's go. Let's keep it there. Dave, great to speak to you as always, mate. Have a good one. Barry, Peter next week. Cheers, mate. Talking about a win. Take care. See you later. Bye bye.