 Welcome back to the breakfast on plus TV Africa. It's time for us to get to the second part of this conversation And this morning we'll be looking at the APC Congress that happened across 34 state excluding Zamfara and Anambra state now in all of this, you know in the state the reporters that all of these Congresses were meted with parallel. I mean you have the fact that there was no consensus You have each state coming out with you know to chairman and what have you and I mean some quarters You also have reports saying there were violence and all sort of issues in fighting So a lot is actually going on the big question would be ahead of the you know convention up until this moment The APC is not even sure when the convention would happen Well, is that possibility that there will be a convention in December or anytime before December to make sense of all of this We do have I guess in the studio this morning with us Not in the studio. He will be joining us virtually and his name is Mac Adebo. Yeah. Good morning, Mr. Mac Thank you for joining us this morning. Thank you so much. The name is My bad Mac Adebo. Thank you so much for joining me. Thank you. Thank you All right, so let's start off the come the conversation on this particular note Looking at the Congress and all that has happened. What do you make of it? There's so much that has happened in fighting power all Congresses and that's what the report and the news is saying What do you make of all of this? Well, I think the relevance of this discourse It's just to the extent that it affects our democracy as a country So that is why it is relevant as a point of discussion among Nigeria's Otherwise, we just have left it at the level of the Internet party in tricks and You know, I was trading but the The point to make is that It is it is discouraging That a ruling party can be having this kind of issues that they are unable to put your house in order And they are unable to To manage their differences They are unable to manage their crisis and this is the party to which the management of the crisis of Nigeria's and being entrusted And that is why we all Nigeria's must be concerned about the way they are managing the Congresses One of the things I've discovered over the years is that parties in power tend to behave with impunity They really don't care. They wanted power. They got the power. Whatever happens thereafter doesn't really come from much to them. So because we witnessed in the last ABC Congresses quite avoidable But they have started to just watch their desolating in public. You will see, you look at it, foresters in those states where Journalists were banned from even monitoring from observing the Congress So if you have nothing to hide, what would you say the media should not come in? It is a Sign of the kind of off-stage democracy that we are operating in the country No, we shouldn't be talking about these Over two decades after we return to civil rule I believe that we should have perfected the process of our Congresses and conventions as political parties And then as a ruling party, one would have thought that they would need by example and be exemplary in the conduct of their Congresses But we did not see that What has transpired? Of course, the national body has threatened everybody not to go to court, not to sue the party Due to the outcome of the Congresses and those of them But I do believe that some people will still have to acquiesce the courts to seek for justice Look at the violence in the apply bombs, we are the youth Fearing for fearing imposition of a chairman upon the went and going down the Party that doesn't speak well for a ruling party It doesn't speak well at all. I don't speak well for democracy. Those are my concerns And I think and let me believe in this point This is a big party. This is a ruling party and the national and they have so many state structures and local governments They are in charge and they are behaving this way now you begin to wonder what is the essence of I know the registry political parties in the so-called Big political parties cannot conduct their vias with discipline and indecency that democracy requires. So You see that some of these they call them fringe political parties have better internal mechanisms I have better internal democracy mechanism than this political this Behemoths of political parties. They will be called real resources. They have the government at their hands Doesn't make them better political parties Make them a better role for the party and that's what we are witnessing now I want to I'm not a member of the APC, but I think they should lead by example All right, Mr. Debye, I want you to also share your thoughts on it was on the punchest morning saying that I'm also a regular shall I lie may lose out Party back to governors, you know, so I want you to share your views on the interference or seeming interference of You know, what they've called Incubant, you know Powerism that's from the governor's and of course, you know with also some certain ministers in the current administration also Like Mohammed and a river shall have been mentioned The interference of these persons in something that should really just be a very easy process and selecting parties leadership What are your thoughts on that? You see also be the team is that term for building combat and the former governors What are you are sitting? Attempting or interfering in the electoral processes of the Congress. It is anti-democratic And what we have discovered is that sitting governors are the lots of the man in all the police What they do is that they want to take the delegate on the outcome of What's the Congress should be and that is anti-democratic? So now you now see them in a shoe state in quality it with the former and the Congress looking it out Between themselves, you know, only she only general on the on the party members You know, this one will bring this one We don't bring this one And then It doesn't speak well for democracy and I think it is a it is a it is a it is a Our democracy, which you know, I love that. I think that must be that is where we are party supremacy must come in You see all these governor is doing this governor is doing that former governor current governor doing this It shouldn't have a place in the democracy in the internal workings of the political party What you happen is that we must have we must encourage and execute parties supremacist Let the order come from the party headquarters to the state headquarters where the state headquarters carry out the instructions of the party and Organized Congresses I think we should remove the interference of people in Governors from party from from direct party politics Let the government go in there former and present going there as delegates and food and get up Let them don't have any rules to play in who becomes what that is where we are going to have an early We are going to begin to have early congresses, but it's a way by The uh, that's why you are finally you are seeing parallel congresses in some of the states where you have the incumbents Governor is sitting or in taking in taking charge of the congresses. He's not an official of the party He's not uh The shaman of the party in the state is not the secretary He's not a member of the state ascending committee of the party Neither is he is a member of the of the national wing committee of the of the party at the headquarters yet He wants to control everything and all the outcomes of the congresses the former governor believing that look I actually have my structures and my people My must benefit why must I must continue to control the party even though I have no longer in office Now that in the classes are inevitable and when that comes It is the grass that suffers the contention between two elements It is common delegate the common voters the people will go when they have to To food and go that will suffer the problems. So we should not allow that. I think we should remove the hands of uh Governors Governors former governors from the processes of of party politics and congresses Let them just be delegates go and food and also there are not to predetermine What's going to happen at congresses look at what happened legacy for instance In the result of the congress that was not yet uh was already out in the public by by Friday morning By private By Friday from 17 from 48 hours or so before The congresses began Flying up all over the place. It is not healthy for the bookies is that they buy in 30 seconds So we can wrap up it can quickly share with us, you know If this also reduces the hope that you have in the 2023 general elections and the capacity of the current administration and current Ruling political party to carry out free and fair and violence free elections in 2023 Now if they are if they are living this way among themselves How would what would happen when it comes to other political parties the opposition is going to be extremely violent And we should not allow that we should not them calling that one would have thought that I act like I'm saying A ruling party should be by example So what are they what are these contending for what was the issue? Why couldn't they Uh, you know, I've said to all these things before going to the congress and we must do something You know, there's an apatros hanging on the neck of a PC now that they are they're not looking directly at because The outcome of these congresses might just be a novelty at the end of the day if some people now Because you know, you can see within the party some people believe that the that the government H.O.R.B.R.Y. committee is illegal is unpositioned and that could render Including the national convention is could render everything just a novelty And I think if you look in what I'm not a member of the apc, but I'm just concerned for my Uh, I'm concerned for my country I'm concerned for our democracy 2020 is definitely going to be the most sensitive election we have had since 1999 and all has must be on deck That is why In a multi-party democracy, we must never allow a constitutional provision that the registrar's political party So that Nigeria's can have as many choices as they want. They can so for who they want They can organize around A philosophy that they believe in for the want of time Thank you so much for being part of the conversation. Mr. Mike Adebayo. Thank you so much Mr. Mark Adebayo Thank you very much I should get used to me You just came to the family and uh, yes, absolutely You know where you are introducing yourself to one another is to save some time But she did not mention her name. That is another thing. Well, I did but my name is messiaboko Thank you so much for being part of the conversation. Okay. Thank you so much miss. All right, sir Well, that's the much we can take at this point in time Definitely catch up the conversation on all of our social media platforms on facebook And instagram is a plus tv africa and on youtube as well. I am messiaboko