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We put in you feel me not to say that productivity is With folks should be striving shit, you know, if we folks should be striving for right now, not to say that that's the mark of Whatever success or the cold success, especially during the pandemic is but I think you and I have taken advantage of our schedules and we've taken advantage of our schedules And the little bit of free time that we do have as a result of the shelter in place and you know, this is a result of it quality content Via hella black pot. Yes, Lord So as always without further ado drum roll, please Black joy breast sometimes, you know, we was talking about just a second ago. I'm like Yeah, I had joy, but was it hella joyous bread because I'd be depressed sometimes and sometimes it's like, yeah It was for show like centered in rooted in an experience of joy and like trying to create that intentional space to You know chill and not have just have a good time type shit, you know, I was watching a Old episode. I think was like episode 37. It was it was the episode that we did on video and I ended up watching far enough to to to see or to listen to the black joy moment on it and and for me on that episode I was talking about when I when I had flew to New York and Got a chance to link with my sister and with my uncle or some of my cousins and I think while black joy on hella black has become somewhat just like Yeah, and I think Something that we just kind of do and don't really think about and I think what I'm gonna try to do now With what black joy is I'm gonna try to like immerse myself in the moment that I'm talking about so I can actually feel the joy again That's something I've been trying to practice in therapy right because when I was able to talk when I heard myself talking about You know seeing my sister going to breakfast with my sister and see my nephew for the first time and going out to dinner Well, my aunt uncle and my cousins that shit filled me up I'm like wait So this was I like this wasn't just something I was just talking about in Pat And I don't think that's and I think that's the norm for the black joy segment Niggas really talking about something that brought them some joy But even my body like I was talking like my voice sounded really like I was happy But my body language wasn't really there so I'm like all right like I was talking about it But I wasn't immersed in myself until it really trying to like bring yourself back to that experience You know back into the moments because niggas do that with anxiety niggas are able to if you if you So I think yeah, what you were saying it's important I'm actually take that in my own life We should do that those moments of joy like alright, how did you feel type shit? Not even like I know therapy should be like, you know when I'm trying to like Understand my own anxiety and where it's coming from I try to map it map it to a situation that happened map it to What happened earlier? Maybe it was to you know, some childhood trauma type of situation you feel me So you can definitely do the same thing with your joy. Yeah, all right. Yeah, I experienced this This is what I felt like this is you know Like I felt the Sun, you know I'm saying like all those different type of like Experiences that you actually feel you know, even think about the time is in which you talk about why we do black joy Oh, it's important to find joy in the midst all this shit is important You know, we always we tend to talk about heavy stuff on the podcast like let's take some times like Some positive feelings on my alright like niggas know the intention behind it But like let's put the like let's be more conscious of that intention. Yeah, so To throw that out there and I hope what our listeners, you know when we say You know share your black joy moments niggas really mean that share with us You can share with if whatever community you got, you know, and I think when you do that Really take the time to practice feeling how you felt in that joyous moment like in the present when you're sharing it with Somebody or if you just thinking about it with to yourself That's some game right there. So you want to tell us what your joy was well now that Now that I'm stepping myself back into that situation it was a sunny day Guys you feel me my calves was kind of hurting We wanted a hike you feel me up in the fire trail, you know, that's always good to get up there And I don't know for me I've always been going up to that spot probably the past eight nine years or even in high school to be honest And just being able to like reflect up there some shit like I'll go by myself and of course, you know go with friends and homies and shit, but Something about like being up in a higher place You feel me and you able to like look down type of situation where it's a view You're like it's able to center me in a different way like okay Yeah, all that shit going on down there But like right now I'm in this moment and it's peaceful you feel me So like how do I keep that piece from this moment from this view from that? I'll look and it kind of just you know it changes your perspective on shit like all right Yeah, all this is going on, but I still found peace all right I might be struggling when I'm down there sometimes, you know, I mean I'm like going through my stress my anxiety But right now I'm able to like reflect on that So yeah, we went on the hike and I was that was just good Your time to get out you feel me and stay away from other people stay away from other people's fucking dogs If you white put your dog in a motherfucking leash Put your dog in a fucking leash But I would say black people are more respectful with their dogs like a black person have a dog They're gonna call it over to them. Why people just what they dogs run wherever but Sorry besides the fact Joy was hiking Getting out in the sun you feel me good company and in a while how I Don't know what it is cuz like niggas have you know you talk about going to the spot for at least a decade now but I Get the same feeling every time I go up there. Yeah Maybe that's why I keep going back But also it was like I used to associate that trail with stress too because we have used to have to run it for When I was playing rugby, yeah, so I'm like, all right, you know, it's like that stress mode of thinking about our yeah I'm back in this season, you know niggas is competing for a time and shit, you know So I had to remove that certain aspect from the trail and like almost refined it again You feel me like yeah develop a different sense of meaning because I'm not running up it in 12 minutes. Like I used to It's just not gonna happen, you know, so really having to read We figure out like how it works best for me, bro, and it's for those in the Bay Area who are from excuse me familiar with the trail he's talking about Strawberry cane, which is right behind Memorial Stadium. Is it still called Memorial Stadium? Yeah, they call it could ban for a second they can ban I think well, yeah behind the football stadium at UC Berkeley. It's a trail that a lot of folks like to hike it's I've been going probably like once a week now since the shelter in place and every time I go up there. I'm still fucking like My breath is taken away. It's hella beautiful and it is wild how just like being up there you feel like you're in a different place and for me it always like it's this this feeling of peace and I guess yeah, I kind of be feeling like shit is going to be all right to be honest You see them big-ass trees and you know, you'd be thinking like damn that tree been there It's like a breakout out the out the illusion, bro Like out there, you know, quote-unquote matrix. It's like wait, this is you know, birds are still chirping bugs It's still flying slugs are still slugging just existing. There is no goal, but to walk Yeah Like that's and just to see beauty to walk in it and and indulge in the beauty like that's the only goal bro, it's just wild you feel me it's like, you know, we in west Oakland right now and then You can literally see west Oakland from up there and it's just like two different realities, bro It's like you go up there and the the air is clean It just smells so much more pure and then you go down back here, you know concrete jungle whatever you want to call it, you know what I'm saying and it's different The air isn't good. You know, so it's good to I think that's one of the lucky reasons you feel me We have being able to live out here too. Like we have access Nigga Tahikes brother to fucking mountains mountains and shit California you feel me Oakland Berkeley nigga This shit is really actually it's beautiful nigga free the land first and foremost, but it's beautiful. Yeah Yeah, what about your back joy? Um I met with a mentor of mine earlier today In his name is Miko and it's wild because he's a mentor of mine probably my I don't know what For the least probably my mentor for the least amount of time as in comparison to all my other mentors, right? Like when I think about my older cousins my uncles or like folks that I've known since I was a child that have like, you know Help mown me and whatnot coaches. Um, I met Miko in 2016 and I'm we linked up today It's like I could count on both hands how many times I've probably seen him in real life I'm saying but when I think about how many times I've seen him, you know face-to-face in person Yeah, um When I think about the impact that he's had on me It's like I've known him my whole life and it's probably because we just met at a pivotal time in my life. You know what I'm saying? Um, I feel like yeah, I was turning Yeah, like four years ago when I met him, um and We met today and we just we when we get together. We just be talking and He really likes to listen. It's I've been trying to be conscious of how much I talk when I'm with other people So I don't talk about myself as much and you know create the space for them to tell me about their shit Just like try to have a healthy balance when I'm talking to people and just be aware, right? But like he literally just likes to listen. Um And it's something that I highly appreciate about him and he listens with intention and Uh, we were talking today And he just asked me how I was doing this shit and like throughout the conversation he just like I can't remember what exactly he said Or what the context of the conversation was to lead to him saying this but I can remember how it made me feel And he just told me like no matter what he always gonna be proud of me And I don't know why today that resonated with me where I got people telling me they're proud of me all the time But it's like when I'm accomplishing something, you know, I'm saying or like just be like the general like Like I ain't this shit feel me like That he know of in the last you know, I'm saying since the last time we talked was just like Two or three weeks ago when I seen him in passing, right? But for him to just ask me how I'm doing and rush to talk and he's just like I want to let you know I'm always be proud of you no matter what um and I think On the podcast a lot we talk about You know being valued for what we do and You know people loving you for what you can contribute to their lives or You know how how successful you have been and that's just that's been a lot of that's caused a lot of stress for me it's like always have to Do something Whether I'm producing something or whether I'm providing Providing for people like that just puts a lot of pressure on me. You know what I'm saying? I don't think it's something that it's talked about a lot But for somebody to tell me like nigga, whether you're not producing nothing or you're not providing shit for people I'm always be proud of you That was something that made me just hell of happy, bro. Like For sure. Like I'm feeling it right now. Just thinking about the shit. That's what I said So yeah, shout out Miko That was my black joy brought to me by a non-black person Wow Would you look at that? Not all people Oh, shit, but yeah, I hope y'all find some black joy, you know, if you fuck with us on twitter Instagram patreon y'all should share y'all black joy moments with us. I would love to share some black joy like Yeah, drop it on the patreon. You feel me drop those comments. Let us know about your black joy You feel me post about it, you know tag us at hell black pot. You feel me will Retweet it. You feel me so tapping with the black joy. Share your moments. You feel me and let's let's cultivate that joy You feel me in our lives in the community and you know, also cultivate that shit online You feel me where people can we can encourage people to step into their joy. You feel me? I think that's just important as always, but especially You know times like this but Yes, sir We got a good episode store today per usual Oh, yeah, that's what they say this So might be better than others. Yeah, it was funny though I was thinking about that one episode that just never made it out. It came up in my We was in new york too on and then you know I kind of remember what you talked about, but I also don't yeah, we'll talk about that off All right, remember my was there Actually, we should probably not That was the one episode. I don't know why But when I was trying to find a file it came up. I was I should still the files are still What this means, but we still have good episodes, but we try to be intentional That's I think niggas have grown as podcasters, too Like we don't be drinking no more on the pod because niggas have grown comfortable like, you know, just Getting together. Yeah And just speaking because I was watching the episode like I said I was watching other episode I'm like why like I was talking and you would just take a sip of patron like every two minutes. I'm like, wait, wait, wait This is what we was doing. Oh We were going to We were going to live shows and like like it was drink champs or some shit And I think it's important for us to you know fucking combat Or you know combat the ways in which people think Folks that you know the way political education can be presented, you know, I'm sorry That was a because it just showed you like we just regular. Yeah, we still drink, you know, I still might have a call I mean, we still drink on the pot, but we were a bit like by 45 minutes in we would definitely be drunk Yeah, but I also think that was a product of nigga. Like we was also super. I mean, we still is super busy but That was at a time when niggas will get off work And like catch Bart nigga, we would be so anxious and stressed out from trying to make this happen We will actually have to drink or we would the power wasn't what happened because we'd have to dammit Like reset from what we was just doing like niggas will come from a five o'clock meeting hop on Bart and have to make it to You know, you'd ready or some should have 530 To record and then you only have an hour recording song type situation So you got to get out everything you do and you have to be like literally like you walk in the door Sit in the chair hit record. That's some of those older episodes You might not know that those are some of the the back stories behind that shit But I think every you know ever since we got some gear, man, shout out you feel me egg pain niggas shout out to our supporters, bro like This has been a different situation Niggas are able to create under the conditions that they would like to Period like now, you know, we in the studio, man. We got this ice setup nigga. We in the comfort You feel me I'm happy to create man this shit. I'm happy. It's a blessing, bro. And I just You know, I think I'm just a blessed, bro Like we're blessed, bro. We have a lot of supporters Obviously like Nothing compared to you know, some of these big ass podcasts and shit But I'm very grateful for the niggas who've been fucking with us from the beginning, bro Like niggas who believed in us, bro and helped support us, bro Niggas helped support us monetarily and shit to get gear to you know, make sure the shit shakes So If you patron and shit and you've supported us like this should That should really mean a lot because it's literally helped change the way we record And how we create and I think you're getting better content because of it. Yeah, I was deaf So We got a good episode More of the story nigga. We got a good episode coming Yeah, this The conversation we're gonna have today stems from Some thinking that I've been doing over the last like month or so as a result of Me trying to check myself on my politics And then more recently a conversation that I had yesterday. So we're gonna be diving into political education outside of The academy and outside of organizing spaces I don't know if twitter is like separate. I think twitter is like maybe a combination of both of those things But also something separate at the same time. Yeah, I mean it's for show like there's a certain subset to twitter. That's like You know, twitter is organizing space and it's an academy. It's a digital type of organizing space It's a place where niggas is using these words that are you know, usually being learned from the academy you know what I'm saying, it's like Intellectual space in some ways I would say right. Yeah But a place that isn't always accessible even though twitter is supposed to be a you know, a more accessible type of platform and isn't The words that are being used aren't always accessible. You feel me niggas ain't really going in to teach Some people aren't even going in to learn type of situation. Yeah, what I'm hoping comes from this conversation is that you know, both you and I Can call one another in and like raise the bar on what our standard is For political education. Yeah, and also that yeah folks can do like our listeners can do the same and realize like I think It's so easy to get caught up. I've fallen victim to this too. It's so easy to get caught up in You know, what you are doing that you don't think about what you're not doing You know, I'm saying I think so some of us get so caught up when we are doing that we start to Think that we're closer to the politics that we preach that we really are Just because we do memorize the theory like the back of our hands or we doing like, you know some really good work not to decal not to you know downplay the work that we do but You know, I just think there's Opportunities for moral growth and I have a recent example which lets me know that there is opportunity for growth, right? So there's a situation where you know, a family member of mine had tweeted some shit That that was like Hella misogynistic That was misogynistic and somebody brought it to my attention and When I call when I reached out to my family member and called them in on it, you know He through our conversation. I realized that I was like failing this nigga as someone that's supposed to be politically educating him you feel me like we have he's in very close proximity to me and he's still Like he didn't really understand what misogyny man. I'm like my nigga like well, I'm failing You know I'm saying like I don't think it was an excuse I think it was like clear and based on the conversation that we have my yo, he's not Using any excuse like he dead ass doesn't know what these words mean He dead ass didn't see how I'm like, how am I out here talking this shit and the nigga who some niggas that's closest to me Don't understand the definition of things, right? and so that that let me know that I wasn't being as effective with my political education as I would like to be and I think that's a result of You know the echo chambers that I've created for myself via twitter and via organizing spaces, right? Like it's so easy for us to like oh We radical we radicalizing the minds of people that already have access to some of the information that we talk about right? It's like what pbo we could be like I think it's a usually joining pbo with some type of some type of baseline understanding You know I'm saying and not just a baseline understanding with also Another community outside of what we have that outside of pbo That's kind of already touching on some of the things that we talk about whether that's the families that they come from Whether that's a lot of a lot of our volunteers are in college I'm saying so it's like whether that's the family they coming from the communities at the end via the academy You know I'm saying so like it's easy for us to be like Are we doing hella good work with hella black which again? I'm not about to downplay that should we do I think hella black is dope. I think pbo is dope, but like as Like nigga, we're not touching the hood as as as effectively and that's known by Niggas that we know my cousin your friend not having a clear understanding of what misogyny is Feel me. I know we and I think I know we do the podcast and that's the form political education. We send it to niggas. We post it, but If And I just trying to figure out like so what does that look like for us now? Yeah, no, I mean You know, I ran into these situations as well, right where you know, someone will You know come up to me and be the earth, you know something but hey like this nigga over here He's hella misogynistic like can you go talk to him? You know, usually it's like black women coming to me type situation where like all right Go talk to this nigga, right? And I remember, you know having that conversation starting to have it in He's like, bro. I don't Everyone is calling me a misogynist. I don't even know what the word is meant and no one has even explained it to me So and there I'm like damn bro Like I failed too because like we haven't even had that conversation on even with the word misogyny means Our misogynists like niggas don't even know what the word is So it's like and then if you just which I understand if you're just coming at a nigga, right? I'm like, I'll fuck you you a misogynist like A nigga might not just respond well to that or even want to learn, you know what I mean? So it's like you have to break down that what it actually means to him and right and put that labor in You know what I mean? So it's like it's this weird Situation where it's like this behavior or like what happened isn't good, right? But how do we have those conversations? You know what I'm saying because it's like if we are trying to Address the harm that was caused we have to look at it from all angles You know what I mean? Like all right. Why does this person understand it? Now? How do we? You know simplify it and make it understandable Yeah, because I mean I'm thinking about the situation you talking about and it's a very nuanced situation because Like a what like, you know you talking about women come into you, right? Like it's not her It's not her it's honestly not her job to be like I'm about to explain misogyny to this nigga Like she's the victim in the situation. You know I'm saying and But as a result of that like you see some of the discourse on twitter niggas, but I ain't teaching you go go google like That you feel me and that's why I like but I think that's where niggas like that's supposed to come in, right? You can google misogyny in a video of umar dispelling the myth of misogyny in the black community might pop up And then you just giving them more clips you feel me of ammunition for them to come at you, you know So I think it's that that fine line But if I could be talking about being an ally nigga being a solidarity, that's where we come in like hey, bro Like misogyny is you know talking about the hatred of women, bro And this shows up in the way you know these words potentially Right the way you view them you feel me like the type of you know conversation that you might have with with a woman, right like Things like that, you know, because I don't expect victims to be patient with the folks that are perpetuating harm I don't like I don't I don't expect that but especially if you experience misogyny your whole life Bro, you like fucking I do not have time to sit down at starbucks and to tell you why you would massage this But I you know, I do expect like the community to exhibit some sort of patience. You know i'm saying because definitely I mean there's And that's the conversation folks don't want to have You know, I got and I I get it, but I do think we live in a time where people just be so quick to Just write people to write people off and I a lot actually was starting to wear off on me like even the way that I engaged That I that I engage with Folks and I'm like calling them out or calling them in it's like It's we can't use the same exact language that What you're using, you know what I mean? Like we're hip to social justice language nigga like we're hip to the academy And I think yeah, but we shouldn't be using that type of language You feel me to like look down on niggas in a sense not even looking down on them, but it's like Brett a lot of that shit isn't that isn't that accessible. You feel me the way shit is explained, bro In my opinion. Oh, yeah, I agree and it's not even just the language, right I think it's also like you know how You know, like I'll be a sounding board and I'm gonna sound the word right like I think by The work that we do and how we try to align and support I don't I'm I had a conversation with that nigga yesterday and we were talking about um You know, maybe possibly removing like ally and solidarity from You know our vocabulary and that's a whole another situation, right? But I just think that um My point is um Now I didn't lost my fucking train of thought what we're talking about Just languages not and yeah, so it's not even just the language, you know, I'm saying I think it's also um Damn nigga, I'm fucking having a blink the language in wheels We talked about the language. I had a point. This is why I was gonna write it down But then you stop talking and I was like, oh, okay. I can jump in this shit. So It's not even about the length. Oh, here we go. It's not even just about the language It's about also how you come with it because I think sometimes I'll talk to you know Like black black woman. I'll talk to um You know queer folks trans folks and you'll you know, like I can hear the sense of anger and then I go Take that anger and I fucking push it on the niggas that I'm correcting For being homophobic for being transphobic for being anti-fat and it's just like they like nigga. What the fuck like That's not gonna work. It's kind of productive. It's kind of productive It's fucking no matter how about the anger may be and that's why I break like teaching is not easy, bro It's not people like to get on twitter and act like political education is so easy and then it's such a Okay, uh one size fix fix all type of situation, bro It's like that's how I can tell like even the way it is around like-minded people Yeah, but we have to get out of your comfort zone and we got to understand that the masses of black people are living in colonized communities Went to colonized education spaces. You feel me and was indoctrinated into these colonial belief systems, bro so we're talking about years of indoctrination into patriarchy years of Uh, indoctrination into internalized anti-blackness colorism, right? Classism, right? We're talking about years of that. So it's like it's gonna take some time for us to re-educate our own people and We have to do that period. You can't just be like now I ain't gonna talk to him or you're gonna you feel me pull up on a fucking corner and like Nigga, if you don't know this shit nigga, you you was cancelled, bro. You out, bro We ain't even talk like that shit ain't gonna work either, bro Like and that's how you can see even on twitter some of these conversations niggas be having, bro It's like I could tell you don't be outside I could tell you you don't be outside talking to people, bro You'd be you know saying hood hood this hood that bro But niggas are you actually outside in the hood actually talking to niggas, bro? Because I guarantee you if you're trying to get your point across like that is going to be a problem bro, I'm like And that's that's what it is, bro. Like you can't just go like I can't you know I might peep something about hey, you feel me like bro. You ain't got to say it like that, bro You got to think about this, bro. You know what I'm saying, but if you go like Fighter fight That situation, bro either the niggas gonna turn their mind completely off And it's something I had to learn as a you know as an educator too like in the classroom, bro It's like I can't I'm having students coming at age 18 age 17 You feel me just getting like a lot of them is just getting politicized to blackness You feel me? So I was like Yeah, some of the niggas think I'm crazy when I'm talking about these radical shit I got to remind myself nigga. Where was I when I was 18, bro? You know what I mean? Like niggas might not understand that shit, especially if you know You know, you believe some of the shit your parents believe or something like that and you know, you take You take personal attacks. You think it's about you. You know, it's like, bro It's a process a little colonized minds my nigga. Like that's that's what the that's what the fact is And if we talking about nigga racism, you feel me we experiencing racism niggas all this other shit was built off colonization too gender Sexuality ability disability, right? Like all those things is a product of this colonial violence, right? So we have to have those conversations and Realistically all the niggas who is like Critiquing other niggas all the time, bro. So you got some work to do too. Ain't nobody's politics is ever perfect Our politics sure is hell ain't perfect, bro We live you feel me? It's like niggas is still trying to grow niggas is still having to unlearn shit relearn shit You know, check your fucking feelings sometimes when a few feelings is coming up about a certain certain uh topic like You got to really sit with it. But I think To your point, bro, it's like niggas really you have to Have a conversation where you got to meet somebody at a certain level, bro And there's not even on no like fucking like patronizing like oh, I went to the academy I know this shit. It's like no, it's like, bro. We just have to have a accessible conversation You know what I mean? Because niggas can learn, bro I mean if Huey Newton Literally was illiterate and then was able to you know become who he was and of course he had a lot of you know Shortcomings and violence and shit like that, but like nigga couldn't read, bro You feel me couldn't read and ended up becoming a phd Professor you feel me? You know gonna phd from Santa Cruz. You see Santa Cruz like Niggas can grow. It's just like are you giving people the space to grow? Are you actually creating A space where you can talk about those things, bro And you have to approach it from different angles, bro. It has to be different angles You can't just by I just read this book like yeah Read the book and then let's talk about this book Which will came up for you. You know what I mean? And by no by no Admission are we saying like like I just want folks to understand I'm not saying that like victims need to be patient Not saying like the folks that are trying to align themselves again We're like solidarity and allyship of the victims, right? So like for men It's important that men check other men. I don't think I I I just need to change my patience Yeah, definitely. I need to change my patience and I think when it comes to Radicalizing the minds of niggas in the ghetto. We fell in like yeah That's what like niggas don't want to have that conversation about how we literally fell in the minds of the ghetto Our niggas have created these situations where again, they about Creating echo chambers and being around like-minded people will have you thinking you your impact is greater than it actually is like period start start changing niggas who you feel me like If we talk like niggas if we say all of us or none of us niggas we was talking about Talking about the niggas in the trenches. We talked about the niggas in the trenches And I think that's where this like niggas say they don't fuck with this talent to 10th type of identity, bro But a lot of niggas talent to 10th should be coming out especially when it comes, you know to political education You feel me? It's like, oh, we're gonna forget about the hood niggas. We're gonna forget about the ghetto niggas We're gonna forget about the the people there, but there ain't no revolution without the hood I'm telling you right now There ain't no revolution with no street niggas either It ain't no revolution without street niggas. They're gonna be the niggas need to bust them straps I didn't see like I've been organizing spaces niggas. We want to be talk this like We talk on revolution Like niggas guns are going to be involved in the revolution bodies don't have to drop And we're gonna need niggas that have conditioned themselves to do that to be frontline with us period point blank I can't like this is like so it's counterproductive in so many ways It's counterproductive and you bringing your politics from theory to practice In this kind of productive and actually creating a society A community to where we can actually forge a revolution if that's what niggas trying to do there is no revolution Street niggas is just unpoliticized warriors, bro You politicize the street nigga, bro, and look what you happen, you know, the black panther party nigga George Jackson You know what i'm saying like niggas who was in the streets, bro It's like them niggas was the ones you feel me really tantos down, you know what i'm saying with the Shit like you can't talk about revolution and Yo revolution has a fucking class bracket I mean, you know niggas say that hey bernie sanders You feel me and all this other ship and then like turn around and do some of that same type of bernie sanders type shit But they revolution bruh niggas like to use, you know, they're I guess their alignment with niggas in the hood as like honestly a social capital because like that's by honest It's wild how Your work in the hood is still the the like I guess the bar for radical politics But how so many people aren't doing it like that's where the bar like what niggas by all of you ain't doing don't work in a hood Yo shit don't matter But how many niggas are actually engaging hood niggas like I are engaging the hood I don't get it like how we can still be preaching. This is the bar But allowing folks to not live up to that bar 24 7 bruh fix like how like you realize like this is the bar Right niggas, but oh y'all niggas ain't never outside y'all don't be in the trenches y'all do it, but Like that's clearly the bar and we still allow niggas to function into into and to be thought leaders That don't do no work in it I just It don't make no sense to me like that's contradictory as fuck. Yeah I mean I think and We live in a time where all this shit is contradictions to be honest bruh in terms of organizing breasts like you don't really have no Very few organizations that is actually in the trenches quote-unquote Or actually talking with people like that, bro. It's like you It's like you just graduate college and then you're only organizing with niggas who graduated from college. You're doing something wrong niggas Because the hood is still the epicenter of all the of all the movement all this violence Is where the violence is happening and it's where niggas is it's where niggas is getting shot Mike brown shot in the hood You feel me Oscar grand shot in the hood. It's why how much some of that Henderson shot in the hood, bruh This shit ain't happening. Do you feel me niggas shit is happening here niggas? It's wild house. So how you not gonna engage with that, bruh If you and it's I think and then niggas think the hood don't know what the hood needs to bruh That's what it is bruh and some ways bruh. It's like niggas back. Oh, we know these theories, bro You need to use these theories. I'm like, bro. A lot of these niggas is using these theories, bro You just don't know what they saying, bruh because you don't speak the language of the people, bruh You speak a whole different type of language Niggas is talking about intersectionality, bruh. They just might not have said matrix of domination That's that's period, bruh niggas is talking about you feel me self-defense niggas might not say the word self-defense So I think these buzzwords that have become you know, so popular on twitter Then you know, so popular in the academy. It's like bruh You feel me it's like that the way that is explained isn't the same the way niggas is going to explain it, bruh You know what I mean? Like I think that's that's the problem in itself what I was just thinking is it's wild how like You know like because we talk about this is where the violence has happened, right? In in who lives across america, right? And when the violence initially happens like the folks that are That are mostly impacted right that community They tend to be the faces and the voices of Of of the movement that's that's taking place until the movement becomes profitable Like you see it there You see the pictures of the of the the hundreds of names that of faces that you can't put names to because they're not the ones That's on the podium. You hear the voices at the at the rows. You hear the chance You hear the cries But those aren't the voices that are propelled like they were able to put their bodies and lives on the line But they don't get to And if we look at what happened in fergusson It was hood niggas niggas it was street niggas who was fighting for my brown niggas But who was the voice who became the voices from fergusson duray niggas not even from fergusson shan king Black lives matter. We don't even shan king's birth certificate niggas. His both his parents are white. That's Black these are the niggas when you think about the black lives matter movement, you know, even the fucking like, you know the people who was credited with the the founding of it, right Them niggas ain't in the hood bruh My motherfuckers while while the underground organizers and fergusson continue you feel me continue to die niggas in jail New generation and political prisoners, right? But niggas when the bag is associated with it, bruh that co-opted You feel me and then that's what we see is like all these talking heads of this movement, bruh look at that resume, bruh These niggas is a resume activist. Look at that motherfucking resume They heads of nonprofits The heads of these quote-unquote movement that nonprofits, right? They're doing these speaking deals. They're doing these book deals But what community are they from? What community claims them? You know what i'm saying and that that's that's the shit is like And we and we see it we see it happen. It's so What I what I really hope people take away from this shit is like you got to center the hood You got to be patient with the hood Like you really you really got to because if you claim to understand the way violence works Understand that the hood is the epicenter of that violence that you claim to understand so well Of violence that is coming from multiple different ways Whether it's education, whether it's environmental racism Because you feel me it's like flint still don't got water nigga flina hood Here in west oakland niggas the climate high school has been closed Even though west oakland is increasingly being gentrified mac was closed before the coronavirus Because of toxic chemicals because of lead And thinking about what those what that does to kids young kids lead poisoning those toxic chemicals chemicals You know, it's like this is the epicenter of this shit, bro and niggas need to stop with that whole fucking bourgeois elitist attitude Cut that shit out like that's what it is, bro. You niggas You niggas is acting like you hate the talented tenth, but you is the talented tenth nigga you act like surveillance in your own community And that's where I think Not even your own community if we keep it in the band i'm checking myself on this shit because I seen I was I seen I was I was following victim to that to that thought process. It's important to check ourselves. Yeah, but also like these This is what we're also like I guess up against in some ways because if we're talking about activism and organizing we know that it's looking a certain type of way In some ways in the movement or in organizing You know what i'm saying like But those spaces usually are spaces of privilege You know, even though you have marginalized identities in those spaces, right? It's usually spaces of privilege where that shit is showing up when it goes like nah, we ain't doing this. You feel me? It's like So it's it's it can be hard not to fall victim, but that's literally the you know Space we're in where niggas is judging every single word you put out Yeah, and putting their own understanding of what you think not even asking the question You feel me and trying to gain more understanding, but oh this nigga said this one thing Like we in that type of Whether we like it or not nigga, that's just that's what's going on on the internet in some ways or black twitter, but You know black twitter ain't real life, bruh You know what I mean? It really is not It's and that's bro more time we spend out and nigga we outside with it So it's like that's where we're able to be checked But imagine if niggas ain't outside like we we can go tweet whatever we want And then go walk to where we're doing our program and it's a different reality You know what i'm saying like you have to Move different and you know what i mean? Yeah And I'm telling you I was I was falling victim to that shit as I was like I have to developing a file I have to the quote on quote developing a following you know starting to engage on twitter where I'm just like Yeah, you start to just assume because everybody preaching the same politics that the practices are looking the same and not just that you also start to like Uphold whatever standard is the norm In the organizing sector of twitter as you know Whatever that standard is you start to think that that's the norm that that's what's right And I realized like man a lot of these niggas ain't like I'm telling you I don't even you feel me wouldn't even be knowing what a lot of niggas is doing You know I'm saying because again twitter is a place where we can craft our You know bits and pieces of our lives, which is why It's able for us to for me to think that like for me to fall victim to my own thinking of I'm out here being super effective as a political educator not again I think we're doing great work. It's just what I do think niggas are failing niggas can grow You feel me we could do a better job of radicalizing The hood and the niggas that we around them that That are from these places. You feel me like you just do a better job period it's a common so I think I think the other part of that is because I don't know something that I was thinking was all right I want to be patient But what does it mean to be like I think there's a difference between being patient and complicit with stuff, right? And then I was talking to Ian. I think it was like bro. You always going to be complicit. You got to just understand that um But I think I don't know if you have any thoughts to provide on Like when do you go from being patient with someone to like I don't know if I guess complicit is the word but also just Like because in terms like when you talk you talk about who you but that nigga wanted to learn wanted to be better Now you can try to educate up somebody as much as you want and they just it take two There's some people who don't want it Who are you know just so Egotistical and caught up in their ways that niggas don't want to change some of them niggas There ain't no changing them. You're just going to have to deal with them Like an op would like you would an op you feel me, but so like it's in some ways But I think people yeah, and like I think that's that's something that you Like the umars nigga. There ain't no changing that nigga. Yeah, but okay, so the charl main that nigga No changing the conversation that I wanted to have is I think all that's that's a common response is all you got to deal with you feel me all skin and can type shit or like Some folks just gonna be your op but like what does that look like when it's your close friends and or family? you know i'm saying because like You're not going to just you're not going to deal with them the way you're going to deal with op You're going to love niggas from a distance and I think that's the conversation that has been completely lost In terms of politics as a blade is just niggas being like all you got to treat like that nigga acting like op here Op nigga like everybody can't come everybody can't come to freedom. It's like, okay So what does that look like when I show brother? So you have a younger brother you feel most of this nigga just like nah, I don't I don't think gay people should exist You're not about to just smoke that nigga like And that's just the fact but a lot of the way people be talking on twitter It's like oh, you got to just you feel me like everybody can't come with us to freedom It's like all right. That's like Again, I've I've just been realizing like people like to talk a lot about things But it's like what is that going to look like in practice? So I think you're like that that theory is easy to push that. All right, everybody can't come But it's like what is that going to look like? And it's something that's just been lost in the conversations facts I mean, I think it looks like constantly trying to educate niggas, you know what I mean? And then like you have to approach it like as an educator nigga like You can't treat every student the same because not every student is the same, bro You know, you have to approach it in different ways. You might have to my heart. What's one thing you got in common with somebody? You know what I mean? Like outside of politics and what's one thing you income? All right, you build off of that. All right. So have you thought about this or you find out what a nigga like Like all right, yeah, you like this. Okay. Well, you hear about that. What happened, you know You can use this different situations to start Having those conversations. You know what I'm saying like like music or something like Okay, like you fuck with PDD, but your other favorite artist is this person, you know what PDD did to this nigga? Okay, yeah, but what are these other things that is showing up? You feel me that cause PDD to do this type of situation, you know what I'm saying? Like you fuck with Jay-Z, bro. It's like but you say you hate you hate us informants Like Jay-Z would we had an informant for the DEA working in rock nation? So like I think things like that is where you can start approaching it, you know Like connecting dots like that like okay and exposing people to those contradictions But that shit is tiring, bro. Like I think it's Especially when I started getting into this work is like some of my siblings didn't really approve of it But like didn't really understand it You know, but it's like five years later. Like I could see niggas minds changing You know what I mean like to even to a point where I'm like I'm having a conversation with my sister yesterday and she said, oh, yeah I want to do a yoga class and all the benefits is going benefit PBO You know shit like that like my brother gave a donation to PBO Like he used to be super on this capitalist shit and like he sees the issues with shit now, you know what I mean? But it's like It's those painful conversations It's those conversations that don't leave you feeling good as those conversations that make you want to fight a nigger That's gonna come up. But that's the ugly part of education That's the ugly part of political education You know in my opinion it should ain't as sweet. Oh, yeah, this is like The way that you the way that political education as a theory is talked about online In an organized space well, well, you could just tell you just tell that niggas aren't actually doing political education Because if you actually are educating niggas, you know, it don't work that way, bro I remember one time I had a student. He came in his first year. He said I want to be a cop I was all right and I told him I said by the end of this year my goal is to convince you not to be a cop That shit took a lot of time to get a lot of effort a lot of you know, and at the end of the year He's like, hey, like I kind of see what you were saying now. Like I get it. I understand it He ain't gonna be a cop no more. You know what I mean? But that like look that took a lot of patience A lot of fucking patience. Yeah a disclaimer that I want to put out is I'm again I'm not acting. I'm not asking victims to be patient with motherfuckers because there's a time like you know, if you got you know, a queer youth living in a home that is Completely not safe today. I'm not asking to be fucking patient with people that are, you know, Causing them hella hard. You know, I'm saying like no, I'm not saying that So, yeah, I think it's just important to again, these are all like very complicated in nuance discussions, but In a I just think we live in a time where folks are if that's not your situation I think you see people being so quick to write off others for not having the same way of thinking When they don't even have access to the same information or haven't You know been or haven't been exposed to the same money information for the same amount of times Yeah Because I see niggas wanting to grow You know, like I see and you can see it in people sometimes. So I think it's just continuing that But like I definitely I feel like I've seen People want to grow people ask questions, you know, so it's like how do we build off of that shit? Yeah, you know like You know, I really I've seen it. I've seen we we are also examples of growth niggas like I saw my Last year People would you know, I'm also very grateful that nigga. I learned You know, I'm lucky that queer folks have also given me grace I'm privileged. So with that privilege, I got to use that to educate other folks You know, I'm saying I'm privileged that black women get gave me grace about me to learn, bro You know what I mean if I didn't have those type of relationships with folks like my politics would not be here You know, so at the same time, it's like I think ant was saying it on the episode that we had them on was like there has to be like Was either ant. Yeah, I think it was ant like Something is have to like tell us you feel me? Otherwise, we're not gonna learn either, you know what I mean Like we have to learn from somewhere too So I'm grateful for those folks, you know It's like but I get it. It's like that help there has to be a balance because I'm not going to be able to learn If a black woman isn't talking to me, you know what I'm saying or like If a black trans I think you can have I think you can have boundaries I think boundaries are super important and you should know your boundaries and people should respect your boundaries But I think some folks Are just out here like oh, nigga don't get it the first time first two times first like nigga It took me old like it took me a very long time It took me a long time to understand what intersectionality meant like shout out dr. J Dr. J finley like I literally had to go to office hours because like it shit did not make sense to me like in my mind like I did it like What do you mean? Like so oppression is here. It's here. It's here. It's here and here and then it like This die right here is where it all intersects like what what do you mean? You know and they're like you understand it like there was something like you understand it You just don't understand it from this type of concept and I was lucky. I'm like, okay I get it now. You know what I mean, but it's like Niggas got to educate bro Yeah, and I'm I'm grateful for the folks that's that took time with me and I'm going to continue I'm going to work at being more patient because the last few times I had to check in it because I'm like Bro, I went about this shit. They're completely the wrong way. I can't be mad if they deterred from the ways I came at them and like are just you know there and they might be bitter Yeah, like turned off by the politics turned off by the politics you losing somebody to the movement so I don't know niggas have to have those conversations, bro And especially like if we having these conversations It's like if you're non-black and listening to this, bro Like you y'all can't be fucking just trying to distance yourself from your white cousin or your fucking, you know Fuck so tweet or posting pigs posting shit on facebook. Go talk to the motherfuckers. Go teach them something Go teach them because if we having these are our own conversations You know what I mean about like what we doing? You can't just distance yourself from your racist cousin nigga You need to make sure that person is unlearning as much as possible This is what people need to accept you may be doing great work And there are probably a bunch of other ways that you are failing period playing blank Like it's part of being human, nigga Like bro, a lot of people are just aren't A lot of people themselves I think what it takes is realizing you yourself aren't as close to the politics that you preach As you think you are or is that you claim to be and that's something I've been having to Even I gotta check myself too My aria that actually probably was a bit misogynistic where I'm coming from And I gotta sit with it And I you know, it's like as much as I'm reading as much as I'm trying to check myself nigga I'm still gonna have moments where You know, I might have bad fucking thoughts or say something that's out of pocket I gotta check myself and I gotta grow from that I think people take I'm learning and unlearning Too loosely and don't realize like yo that shit is like We will always be constantly there's not gonna be a day where we as men No matter how radical we get wake up and we're not misogynistic anymore And we're that we don't benefit from misogyny There's not gonna be a day we wake up where we're not homophobic thoughts You feel me like you go you just niggas need to accept that niggas need to stop acting like they fucking saints Because we not nigga We trying our best and we're trying to do better But at the same time bro niggas ain't never gonna be perfect, bro Be patient with niggas be patient with yourself learn Keep trying your best lip to to put your politics in the practice And You know, that's a great great starting point and a great ending point for us. 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