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I just put prickles mustard on it and then I had pretty naked Small portion of chips and what else did I own some leftover pasta that was like just barely any left I had for up until this point. I had four slices of bread Three of them buttered one of them Was wrapped around a sausage from a breakfast biscuit my wife didn't like doesn't like the sausage in it She just likes the egg like a sausage patty. Yeah, so I took that I wrapped around a big piece of Dave's homicidal loaf Jell-o bread It is, it's good, but it sounds good. I just hungry now. I just need more I need more protein We went to breakfast at a place on Monday Over on Pico that was fan Fantastic Can't remember what it was called You know what sucks about being hungry is when you're fat and hungry cuz then you feel like Yeah, that does suck Squeezes my fat and I think it Jesus Christ I'm gonna be hungry. I was so skinny before November and I've gained like 35 pounds back Yeah, but that you have like a holiday in between it Yeah, but I mean, it's literally since the election results is kind of how I can track it. I'd nervous eat Everyone nervous eats. I don't nervous eat. I anxiety play video games. Do I like doing that, too Oh wait before I forget Tom this ride-sharing thing. I found tell me if the sound right hold on Let's pronunciation because I don't want to get that wrong Cheshing DD Cheshing, I usually say DD Cheshing, but that's probably closer what she said. So go with what she said Okay All right, I can close that now John O'Groats, that's what the place was called John O'Groats By the way, I was thinking of some famous chads because we always think chads are the ones that smell bad and they're staying in there You know hang around too long and to be clear not all chads smell all chads But all smug bad people There are not a lot of famous chads the people I found our Chad the singer for Chad Kroger guitarist and singer for what they're called up there in Canada that band they everyone rush No, when they go back Brian Adams back. There you go. And then there's Chad a Low brother of Yeah, and that's just really hanging Chad. That's the other the Chad Chad that's famous. I'd better be hard. I'm looking at all these lists and I can't find Chad Everett. Oh, yeah Chad Everett's on here I that just came to my mind the actor Chad Everett list of Chad OMG Chad. Oh Chad. Yeah Chad. We'd like to know. Yeah, of course from a same shirt Wow, yeah, I don't know any of these famous chads on this page Famous Chads, but any other name you throw in there and I could find a million of them. There's a million famous Tom I mean, there's a bunch of them here Chad, I'm binder Chad Brock Chad Coleman Chad Coleman. Oh See Carrie Coleman's relation. That's Cuddy from the wire The heir to the Coleman stove fortune Chad Coleman Well, how many famous Rodgers are there? There's like what three one of them just passed away. There's way more Rodgers There's a ton of Tom's by the way, that's not Roger and me All right, it's time to do the show Roger Roger conversation after the show I'll need a famous Roger control You're famously you're famous for asking for that Roger waters. Sorry. Oh, yeah, but that's all like old people famous What you want like someone do like Roger board come on I mean, it's said he passed away, but he was like 80. What? And I screwed it up hold on There we go Daily tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out how you can help power the show visit daily tech news show comm slash support This my friends is what we like to call the Daily Tech news for Wednesday, May 31st 2017 I'm Tom Merritt Scott Johnson alongside and we have prepared a Buffet of delicious tech news for you to sink your brain into today. I wasn't told there'd be a buffet That's very exciting to me. Although I've already had my daily caloric intake of important technology news So I will probably just have water I like to think that means you're not actually going to talk the rest of the show I'm full of tech news. She said some stuff on TMS. That's all I can handle today. Yeah, like furniture I'll just be over here if you need me Actually, we have a really interesting study out about how people Decide to use communication tools specifically why they don't use secure to make communication tools And and I said this in the slack and believe me I our audience is from my own mold because they immediately go Well, what does it actually mean by secure? But but back off of that for a moment We're talking about like hey, there's end-end encryption. There's point-to-point encryption There's things like signal and telegram. Why aren't people using those instead of using things? We can all agree are less secure and we've got some thoughts on that, but let's start off with some tech things You should know about Nest announced the Nest cam IQ which records in 1080p But uses a 4k sensor to zoom in the next cam IQ has infrared LEDs for night vision an improved speaker That's supposedly seven times more powerful than the regular desk cam and it's up for pre-order now for 299 bucks or you can get two for a discount at 490 at $8 shipping expected by the end of June seems expensive I don't know why it just seems a pricey to me, but they are really pricey, especially when you have to pay for the service too Yeah, I think I'm not into that Twitter is now separating direct messages from people you don't follow into a separate tab called Requests this is great. This is something I've requested in the past You can accept or delete messages and all future messages from someone you accept They will go to your DM inbox. So I really like that idea a lot I like I I hate opening my DMs just for these little windows of saying all right Well real quick anybody has suggestions DM me and then I got to close it and but the people I talk to they stay open It's weird. So this is a much better way to do that Computex still kicking it over there in Taiwan Asus unveiled the first laptop powered by the AMD Ryzen CPU the 17.3 inch Republic of gamers Strix as a gamers are gaming now I can't remember wrong the wrong Strix GL 702 zc with up to an eight core Ryzen 7700 CPU and a Radeon RX 580 GPU has a 4k screen sports up to 32 gigabytes of DDR4 RAM and Ways just less than seven pounds and is 1.3 inches thick. So it will hurt your back coming later this summer Now here are some more top stories aces HP and Lenovo are gonna make Windows 10 PCs using arm Processors, this is something they announced at CES and it's happening Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 processor will be the chip the x16 LTE modem will be available in a lot of models Together that makes up the Snapdragon mobile PC platform the arm powered Windows PCs expected to have 50% longer battery life than your typical Intel powered laptop and Run all Windows apps. Don't forget. They're doing some x86 emulation as well as having more software in the windows Universal store than they did back in the old Windows RT days So there's a better chance you'll be able to buy one of these laptops and actually be able to install all your software Yeah, also it strikes me as a Shot over the bow of the education market where Chromebooks have taken much stronger hold in the last couple of years and I swear every school around us is going full Chromebook all the time I feel like these will provide less expensive alternatives a much broader potentially broader Software library because you're talking about all of the windows library the biggest problem I foresee is it's emulation and I know emulation has gotten real good these days But it's still emulation. Yeah quite good. It's always that one thing that doesn't quite work, right? Because I Mean, there's always that one thing that doesn't work on your regular Windows machine And then you have to troubleshoot it and do a registry hack or whatever that happens less than it used to I'll be honest But but I mean it happens on OS 10 Linux 2 like things just sometimes don't work and when you're doing emulation There's a few more things that can go wrong. Yeah, I'll just say if anyone's listening if any gamers are listening This is probably not going to be the machine you want. In fact, what you want is that big fat heavy asus up there That's the one you want definitely Kleiner Perkins venture partner Mary meeker who that name familiar isn't it everybody It seems like about every year on Wednesday We get to talk about Mary meeker and her annual internet trends report I love when this comes around the report is seen as a state of the union for tech She's been doing it forever meeker points out smartphone Phone shipment slowed from a 10% rise to 3% rise year over year That seems to jive with other things we'd heard as well 20% of mobile queries were made by voice in 2016 That's higher than I would have expected and again, I love her data Cuz I don't know where else we're hearing this stuff While TV viewership declines Netflix went from zero to 30% of home entertainment revenue in 10 years In the US global interactive gaming has become mainstream with 2.6 billion gamers in 2017 versus 100 million in 1995 And that Netflix thing home entertainment revenue. Yeah. Yeah, that's 30% of home entertainment revenue That's ridiculous fact read Hastings said at the code conference today That they aren't as focused on net neutrality as they used to be because they don't need to be yeah They've struck all these deals and he doesn't believe in any differently than he did before but Netflix is a very Odd thing in that it is one product. Mm-hmm, right. I mean, I guess it's two products. They still have the DVD service, but They don't they're not diversified and they're huge Not only that If we need to ask ourselves any more why the rest of the industry including the can film festival that just happened Why people keep yelling and booing Netflix? It's because Netflix now has That percentage of the home entertainment market and that is really bothersome to the to you know Dinosaur companies who have always had their hand in that cookie jar and are like when did this happen? Why did it happen so fast and what do we do now? I mean, they are a disruptor in every definition of tech disruption And I think that happens anytime Someone grows into a position and has a different way of doing things right it upsets the apple cart Everybody's used to the way it happened Hastings is over there saying you're gonna sell plenty of movie tickets Even if you let us have day-in-day premiere But people don't believe him because they're like, you know what I know works this and you're new and scary And you're only scary because you've got enough of a market share to be able to make stuff happen Yeah, they for sure do and it's I don't know fascinating to watch what that means for Everybody else in the next ten years who the heck knows like is Netflix the biggest entertainment company ever at some point Do we come to a future where it isn't just a great new movie release deal that Disney strikes with them But it becomes Disney Netflix and we consolidate once again into some large incredible entertainment corporation I don't know. Yeah, but of all of the companies. They're the ones. I wouldn't be that surprised if it happened They also don't need to sell everybody's always trying to have them sold to somebody and that Netflix is not interested They're like, why would we sell? They may be more in the market to buy your weird little startup than sell anything they're doing More things out of Meekers report 25% of US residents own a wearable That's up 12% from 2016 and Meekers data shows that it's really because of the health care market Not just fitness, although that's part of it But also glucose monitors, you know health trackers that are beyond just running and step counters The number of internet users in India grew more than 28% in 2016 and yet Penetration in India is only at 27% so that market is ready to explode a lot of room for growth in India China is the number one market in the world for interactive game Revenue and China far in a way the number one market for on-demand transportation They're like number one if you just count cars But then also number two if you count bikes and they they make up the large majority if you combine them The combined number of at number two is North America then Europe Middle East in Asia I'm sorry Europe Middle East Africa and then India Yeah, I'm I mean, I don't know that I'm shocked about these numbers Certainly the gaming numbers don't surprise me China has been Kind of on the on the rise there and what you're seeing is developers publishers and creators here and in Europe Starting to cater to what the Chinese audiences want above and beyond what's happening elsewhere and you're seeing that in movies too So I think that you're gonna see more of that. I think more game revenue will be gained in China than anywhere else And before we know it China will become two things the biggest consumer of interactive gaming and Perhaps the biggest producer at the same time and we're already getting to that point where they're making So many mobile games and so many smaller efforts. It's just a matter of time before our triple-a titles become more and more Chinese driven and that's a hundred percent fine with me. It means innovation. It means new points of view It means different kind of games. So it seems good, but the as gaming continues to globalize China is about to make it crazy. Yeah, I think a lot of people may may be under the impression because I used to be That China has grown so much in technology because it was a protected market And and you don't see Facebook going in there. You don't see Google going in there And and and of course you had just had a lot of room because they didn't have any competitors But the data the meeker is showing here Shows that that if it ever was the case is certainly not the case now This is a robust and thriving market You're not seeing the triple digit growth that you saw for a while because it has matured But it doesn't show any signs of slowing down. I agree at least in technology. Yeah, sure also Sign showing to know signs of slowing down in China ride sharing and things like that Chinese consultants big data research I love their name by the way just explains exactly who they are Projects that bicycle sharing service will double the number of users to 50 million by the end of the year That's up from 18 million in 2016 What's funny is those numbers don't seem that big when you're talking about the Chinese market But they believe this Mo bike alone said it received 20 million orders on its bike sharing platform Every day on average in the month of April alone. This threatens to pass automotive ride sharing services like DD Xuxing and That'd be a big deal more bikes on the road I don't know. I feel like the whole bike sharing bike rental stuff. You see we're starting to see more of that here in Salt Lake City In fact is on the rise in general. Yeah, I think it's I I don't know if it's gonna reach the amount that it Is in China because again, this is bike sharing in a different way You're what you're talking about I think if it's like the stuff that I've seen in other cities is you've got the company that has the bikes in The rack and you go and you put a diamond or maybe you run it on an app And then you pick up the bike and then you go somewhere else, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, there's some this is a whole this is like this is almost like Uber for this is Uber for bikes that we're talking about if you and I lived near each other and we were The idea if we were doing it on a small scale be like well Tom's using it Monday, Wednesday and Friday I'm using it Thursday Tuesday Thursday and Saturday, so it's kind of like that There are services even here that are a bit like this. I just can't imagine ever using it I say that because because you're in the United States of America instead of in China, right? It's a whole different market there exactly and and if I was in a city like New York or even San Francisco or Other more you know Seattle's a good example Maybe it's those markets where we'll see those grow here in the States, but certainly China once again, you know Yeah, I mean some of it is the scale of the cities I think a lot of people don't realize that you know Most of the top cities by population in the world are in China if they're not in India And so you have these these big dense cities right now And bicycle use obviously is better in those situations some of it's just cultural though you know that the culture of car ownership is different and The idea of like hey, I just need to get somewhere if I can bike great I'm gonna do it And that's and if I don't have to own the bike to do it even better Then I could just use it when I need to kind of like Uber is for cars At least in in car land of the United States We're like oh wait all the benefits of a car and I don't have to own it and maintain it I don't even have to drive it sounds great. Hmm. Don't you think eventually though that I mean if Automated cars become the thing we all sort of predict it will be Bikes seem like they'll just get looked over other than exercise and other reasons to have one this implies the opposite of that Yeah, it does implies that actually they become the preferred method of transportation. Yeah, and that surprises me I yeah, I don't know maybe automated bikes. Ah, see there's Scott's idea. Put that down somewhere Stockstream debuted on twitch letting twitch users vote on stock trades using a pool of real money provided by the developer So it's twitch plays the stock market Stockstream began with a pool of 50,000 bucks votes are tiled every five minutes while the markets are open It's developer Mike plans to keep the stream running Indefinitely the only reason he would stop is if it falls below $25,000 at which point the financial industry regulatory authority would limit the total transactions Yeah, I saw this. It's kind of amazing. It's maybe the first, you know, outside of Bob Ross painting videos and reruns of Power Rangers and mr. Rogers episodes One of the more interesting things to show up on twitch since they made the move to having more than just gaming back on that channel Yeah, it's can play Pokemon as it is gaming Sure can't play the stock market unless you loosen those strings. Exactly. So I love this I love that it exists. I wish I was a kind of person that just had 50k to play with and put up on twitch And let people dink around with it There was meant there was misreported originally as 25k total. I think they got it confused with the whole regulatory You know bottom of the barrel cap of 25 were before things would have to happen But it's fascinating to me and what I really want to see is how long does this go and does it generate a net gain? By the end of it, which I'm guessing is his whole point. He wants to see what the crowd does To something as strange as this and I I'm also slightly shocked Tom that there's not some wildly weirdly illegal thing about it Like the fact that you can just do this is weird like just on the face of it is weird But I'm glad I guess they can when I look at it. It's one guy making investments, right? It's Mike So Mike's responsible for this. He's just handing over his advice to the crowd So the the potential pitfalls are if the crowd was seeing a somehow giving financial advice and Mike decided to sue the twitch user It's like you gave me bad financial advice I doubt that he could win that and obviously he wouldn't really want to do this experiment if he did the other side is if Mike, I don't know. I mean could he get nailed for insider trading if a bunch of people on twitch knew something and Started giving his advice. I mean, yeah, there's some pitfalls out there That's why I'm asking the question because I I'm sure it's fine. Obviously they're it's going. There's nobody stepped in said whoa Whoa, slow down. I mean all the liability is on Mike pretty yeah, I guess and twitch I guess, you know their current terms of service probably Block them from any real trouble anyway, even if something went south So yeah, hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to Daily Tech headlines at Daily Tech headlines comm also available as your Amazon echo flash briefing and on the app Anchor where you can find things from Scott Johnson as well. Mm-hmm. Go check it out anchor FM And that is look at our top stories All right, let's talk about this. I saw this on boing boing a group of scholars and practitioners as Cory doctor puts it I like this because they're more than researchers, but they're not necessarily scientists because that Gives you the impression of people doing physics and biology But but they're smart people from the universities in the United States Germany in the UK Presenting a paper at the 38th IEEE symposium on security and privacy titled obstacles to the adoption of secure Communication tools now they interviewed 60 people about their perception and experience with communication tools They say their the work definitely needs to be replicated with participants of different cultural backgrounds to see if their findings maintain but What they found amongst these 60 people where that adoption of secure tools was hindered by the fragmented user base in other words Well, I want to message somebody and they don't use that secure tool So I use this other tool that's less secure incompatible tools Where it's like, yeah, I want to use this tool and they want to use that tool and they don't work So we both switched to something else Or misunderstanding of the concept of end-to-end encryption biggest finding that that surprised me out of this was people Thinking when asked like, okay, you want to send a message. What's the most secure way to do it? They're like, oh, well, I would use the phone Because if you send a text message, then it's written down and someone could find it later But if you use the phone and less someone is tapping you no one will ever know what you said And it's like, um, that's not actually no, that's that that's that right. Uh text message can be very secure So let's go through these A little more detailed Scott and tell me if this is an obstacle for you. All right All right, uh Usability apparently usability is not the primary obstacle. Do do you pick your communication tool based on usability? No, I pick it on, um Almost purely on How many of my people my family my tribe my followers my friends are on the platform Yeah, then and if they're all there, well, that's where I have to be That's what that takes you right into fragmentation, which we just mentioned tool Need to be used by the people you want to communicate with how about quality of service Uh, that matters, but for me, it doesn't matter as much as ubiquity So but here's the thing that was founded this study people consider quality of service to be an indication of security So so they say, uh, well this thing's kind of buggy. It must not be secure Yeah, I could totally see that. I mean, you know, we were talking We we have more of a list to go down here, but we were talking earlier about this this morning And it got me thinking well Why does my mom text me with sms over her android phone? Well because it's there And it's what everyone else is talking to her on And to her that's it like there's really nothing else. She doesn't know but in the Encryption ship that level and this quality of service thing if you said mom, I'm going to install signal And you're going to use it because it's really secure Uh, the first time that she got lag or a message didn't go through or something And I'm not saying that happens that often in signal signal is pretty reliable But because it's using encryption It's a little less reliable as you all know anybody who's using encrypted services, you know, they're a little slower Uh, sometimes they fail because the you'd rather have the message not send than not be encrypted, right? Uh, and so people look at that even though that's actually it being more secure Like I don't want to use that it's broken. Yeah, the perception matters And also if it if something breaks on her ipad And iMessage isn't doing what it's supposed to do She literally can get in a car old school style Go down to the mall walk into the apple store and yell at somebody about why her messaging isn't working And it seems like there's this Foundation right there's something there to solve my problem Because that's how it always is if the if the dryer breaks down you call the maytag man If the fridge doesn't work you call whirlpool whatever you got it You got to have that structure and when you tell her signal and whatsapp and end end encryption And who's this made by a group of concerned developers? It's open source. Where are they all over the world? Like it just starts to seem nebulous, hackery and weird Yeah, I don't people people in the study tended to rank security on performance If it if it worked really well then it must be more secure Popularity like you're saying which is like this is what everybody else uses This must be the good one and obfuscation Yeah, and that's the thing where we talked about calls like well I'll make a call and then nobody you know as long as no one can hear me. It's fine Yeah, I mean I mean the way I the way I look at say skype for example, it's not we're not really talking about a well it is You know what it is It's perfectly suited for this because skype is is one of the the oldest and still most You know used pieces of communication software there is its voice its video its text. It's all those things I don't think most people have any idea if it's secure or not. They just know there's a Again ubiquity to the name skype. They know everybody's got it. It's on every platform And it's just sort of the thing you do There's a million other ways to do it and many are more secure But you're just going with the one that's the most popular So I actually have a solution for all of this it just fixes it and it will never happen So here's my both positive and negative take at the same time If the companies who put out the ubiquitous solutions Would adopt the security solutions that we're seeing out of signal out of whatsapp out of everyone else Problem solved then your ubiquity stays where it is I know they don't have a lot of motivation to do it and I understand that that's probably enough for them not to do it But if iMessage was that secure if hangouts were that secure if everything was that secure And they kept up with that Then We wouldn't have the conference. We wouldn't have to have the conversation We wouldn't have to have the weird sort of sub market spring up that says well wait There's these free tools that will be more secure. They just be secure. So I I realize that that is a we're a utopian ideal And there's not a lot of financial motivation for them to do it because when everyone's on their platform already Why would you be motivated to do things beyond where it's already? You know already making you the money so I get that But that's how you do it and that's what I wish was happening Well, that is the exact conclusion of these researchers. I'm sorry scholars and of course like me They they point out at the end of this paper that the goal to communicate Overrides all other concerns including security So their recommendation is to secure the tools that have been adopted by the mainstream versus trying to improve the usability of other tools Right and what does that take it takes? the willpower of the Of whoever's the mainstream to do it and I don't know how they take security researchers putting pressure on the tool makers And saying you really need to secure skype You know Yeah Yeah, we can make a signal and signal will always have its niche and people should develop it and use it as a as a textbook example, right But if you actually want to do good for the majority of users out there You put the pressure on skype You put the pressure on sms and the carriers and you start really pushing them You need to secure this right now whether that actually can be done or we'll do any good I don't know, but that that's what these folks are saying. Let's we've been we've been focusing on We'll we'll just make a better tool and then people will move to it and they're like that won't happen Do you think that there's anything to so I heard this interview I don't remember what it was on marketplace or something I wish I could give the proper credit, but they were talking to somebody who was a professor at a school of computer science And he and a group of other developers have gotten together and worked on a free algorithmic method of finding Making patterns of and eliminating things everything ranging from child pornography online to I forgot what the other one was hate speech or something and they It apparently it's widely regarded and people really like it and again, I apologize I don't have a lot of information about it, but they went to facebook. They went to some of these again mainstream Sharehold, you know, they have the mind share of the people and said All right. Well, you you always talk about how security matters You always talk about how issues like this matter how important they are to you, but here's a free solution We've done our homework. We've done our work All you have to do is integrate it and it's not going to cost you a dime We're not asking for licensing. Just do this thing and they're resistant to it. They're okay. Are they I mean, well, you say that a tool that you can't remember From a source you can't remember Told a story that sounds too good to be true. We've fixed security And have nobody will take it from us. I feel like there's another side to that story There is but that his point when asked this very thing So I'm glad you brought it up. You know what it was it was On the media because bob garfield then asked him this follow-up question. He's kind of a tough questioner. He said All right And then he asked your question and he came back and said the reason we think we get resistance whether we're good or not or anyone else is good or not is because These companies know it's a slippery slope the many you start saying. Oh, well algorithmically we can find these terrible things Well, hold on. I think we're talking about something entirely different from our main topic then Well, you're talking about like removing harmful material No, I'm saying yes, that's what that says. That's different than End to end encryption and point to point completely and and for exactly that reason Removing harmful material from facebook goes great Who gets to decide what a harmful material is? No, that's exactly right And so this this is an entirely different study here, which is saying hey You're gonna have secure communication Nobody will ever be able to know what you said to the other person except the other person right and that's that's a different situation Yeah, my whole point was at that because you're right. They're two different situations My entire point though is the principle remains How do you get the mainstream to change? And if they're not motivated to change or if they see it as a slippery slope like well If we do end in encryption that means we won't have access to that data And we can't sell as well as we used to sell like all those things start to come up. Sure. Sure So for me, that's where the that's where the roadblock is and all the only way to get past that roadblock There's some less greedy roadblocks, too I mean a lot of what google does is say well, you can do an encryption on alo by session But we don't turn it on by default Yeah, because we want to have that data to sell ads against and monetize but also Because our assistant my our AI doesn't work as well that way And and so, you know, there's a lot of work being done to figure out how to make AI work on the device Like essential is doing with the essential home But it is easier to just put it in the cloud Yeah, that's true. I mean this is this it's the it's also just I mean, we're probably it's occum's razor here Path of least resistance is what we're talking about and least resistance on both sides for the companies They've got what they need it's working. They're making money for the individuals like me and you who are More or less concerned about various parts of security Sometimes we take the path of least resistance. I would rather talk to you on a more secure channel when you and I chat But sometimes I'm like, uh I message Because it's just there, you know, and we make that that choice With with our eyes wide open We're like, you know what if somebody finds out what we're saying to each other right now It's not the end of the world, right? But but we know that there's a lot of people who think they're communicating securely and they're not Yeah, that's a good point Hey folks, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on on a daily tech news show dot reddit dot com Batch emails to get to today a pick of the day comes from jesse aka hometown rival in indianapolis Dtns analyst jesse came across a great resource on product hunt and thought it would be good to share with the audience It's a website called will robots take my job At will robots take my job dot com. 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I've ever heard you read geez Yeah, no, you could tell he's a cop's eye major. He knows where off he speaks. You want to read this next one from jason? I sure can Let me pull it up here aloha from the always pleasant hana lulu says jason Just thought of an episode of 3037 story on the one password feature to wipe stored data during border crossings We talked about this last week in fact Why not build a phone where all of your app password document photos and personal data Are stored on a removable and cheap sd and backed up to the cloud Then when crossing a border or entering a situation where your phone might be cloned or taken or stolen You still retain the critical info the physical phone holds the os and nothing else In a sticky situation your sd car can then be mailed home Packed in a checked luggage. Whatever you need to do hidden on your body who Or simply destroyed when you're back in the safe area You just plug the sd back in and you're back to normal or get a new sd and restore your data Kind of like the next bit robot phone or robin phone rather but with nothing stored on the device's memory um I like the one password feature better because I don't have to carry anything with me and if you're carrying something with me The chances are there that they will find it. Remember if it goes into checked baggage That doesn't matter at customs at customs. You have your checked baggage with you Uh, so and they can go through your checked baggage They can find that sd card if you're hiding it on your person suddenly you've raised suspicions if they're like Why is this sd card strapped to your inner thigh? Which you could say why are you touching my inner thigh? But that's you know the world we live in so Uh, I you know, and if you destroy the sd card then why Why why bother in the first place? So I I think it's a it's a clever way You know to to go about this, but I don't see it being a Better solution than the one password solution. Yeah, I don't either also I don't know. You made me think if you're putting it on your person You're going to get the kind of body searches you don't want in certain parts of the world where Your data is a problem at the border anyway So you don't want to give them any indication that maybe this card is stuffed somewhere because they're gonna look They're gonna look a little harder and deeper maybe than you'd prefer I think I'll leave it right there. Yeah, well y'all know what I mean. That's all I'm saying All right. Thank you Scott Johnson as always for joining us today What can folks do to find more of what your good works? Well, if they're interested in anything I'm doing you can find most of it linked over at frogpants.com all of it's there They're all listed as projects very simple to sort of dig through and mess with The shows the art the everything. Um, we are looking forward to in about 29 days nerd tackler 2017 Tom will be there. I'll be there a whole bunch of friends in the network will be there and We're very much looking forward to it. If you want to watch that live and don't have a ticket We should be having stream links go up around that time. So keep an eye on my twitter account at scott johnson It's going to be techa palooza Hey folks, uh, do you ever wonder what we talk about before the show begins today? It was breakfast cereals for some reason Uh sugar corn pops apple jacks all that good stuff Uh, sometimes it's news. Sometimes it's food. 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Oh, I don't think that's the exact limit But they they taught me in uh in in rescue training that it is like, you know, three hours without shelter Three days without water three weeks without food Say sleep rule of threes Threes are good. That's how long it takes to kill bowser and any mario boss fight I think I except it's three. It's not three minutes without oxygen because it's it's more like six or seven Yeah, I can hold it for six. So the rule of threes break down at one point multiple threes six twelve three times three times two Sleep is the one I worry about until you die. Let's see 11 days Yeah, it didn't fit the three really no no Shane is that an sd card in your pocket or are you hiding data from me? It's pretty good I almost wanted to read beef's comment Beef beef for the chat room remember they'll look in your butt They will did I just hello keep it in mind. Hey roger Sorry titles titles security is hard. Is that an sd card in your pocket? Are you hiding data from me? The emulation limitation I'm with her the home entertainment revenue It's open source parents just don't understand Ryzen mojo communicating secure communication csc Secure in the uh, man secure in the fact that will never be secure. You know what I always be too I'm sorry. I totally did that. I voted on that right as you're Getting it Jerk I just I was like, oh, that's a good one and then I hear roger go. Oh, man It's like I was reading the disappeared armed with the you can press freeze while reading That is easy to slide into dm zuber for bikes tool makers versus tool breakers Now that's what I call and then end-to-end encryption I'll use it if my tribe are there Mom, I'm gonna install signal mom's aims for mom. I'm gonna install signal I say I didn't like our number one, but Is that an sd card in your pocket or are you hiding data? Yeah. Oh, it's really good It's probably too long, but I might not care. I might use the sd card Yeah, oh, it's really good. It's probably too long, but I might not care. I might use it anyway Let's just uh, let let the voting happen here for a little bit. What do you say? Sure Yeah Because I also like secure and the fact will never be secure which is also true insecure 3042 right andy identical Rubens China about to make it crazy. China. China China Yeah, China Great idea For china This is not the machine you want Insider twitching. That's pretty good. I'd see that The emulation limitation Is my nation of idulation I've become a beat poet. Did I not tell you that? Oh, I'm interested in your date your tour dates and where you're gonna be. I'm gonna be at nertacular. That's not like city sweet It'll look like a pie a tech though that day, but it will really be something else Get your berets and you're snapping All righty Let's see here. I'm still exporting so keep on voting showbot.tv if you're watching live Tomorrow the oh, yeah, it is the first tomorrow Yeah, first of june That was fast. You believe we're that far into 2017 already. I don't I don't know if I like it, man Things are speeding up here at the end. I don't like it. I want it. Yeah Yeah, well, you know, my parents always said you know, you could be the last generation But I didn't expect it to go so quick. Yeah, that was what there was like a cold war going on And we all had nuclear arms pointed at each other. Yeah, now they're just pointed in weird ways Let's see. I'm gonna say I forget the background stress of the 70s and early 80s Yeah, I don't well, I mean we were kids and we rose above it kind of I guess I felt like I remember feeling it I remember I remember being aware of it and feeling it but in a weird disconnected way where I felt like it affected me but didn't Like that's what I mean. It was background, right? Like it wasn't like you thought about it every single moment But yeah, and I wonder if like like my kids I asked them this sometimes Like you get did 9 11 have the impact on you that all of us adults did I don't think so. I think to them it felt like Being a little kid or being born right around the time that Pearl Harbor may have happened. You just don't have the same You know Perspective on it. I don't think when you're a kid Plus every you're never gonna die. You think everything's great. You just want to throw rocks like it's you know Well, I mean when you're younger you're you're You're built your depth of experience is shallow And so as you get older Those things in your past tend to take a backseat because as you garner more experiences more information More new things. I think that just occupy. I mean, it's just it's just the way our brain works So as you get older you have a huge can a huge contextual library To draw on and and to kind of place things In that in that context. I mean as an adult 9 11 I mean Had an effect on me, but it's I wouldn't say it was the same as say the attack on uh, Pearl Harbor, which You know, I think would have for the people at the time would have would have seemed like a declaration of war Which didn't affect you at all because you weren't alive. Yeah, I wasn't around yet Except in quantum leap episode No, I I know what you're saying like I I was more affected by september 11th probably than I was any other single event The the next one would be like the day the gulf war started. Maybe um, but It also didn't affect my daily life After a while right that first month or so everybody's kind of on edge to see if it was something else gonna happen, right? um but I still I I mean I remember in the 90s just feeling this sense of relief that I'm like, wow, I didn't realize Just how much stress I had been under Because I was living each day knowing that I might get incinerated today. Mm-hmm. It just just you know, it's a it's a legitimate possibility Yeah, yeah Going up. I never had that that never I mean Didn't you though? No, or was it just so background that you just don't think about it because it was pervasive It was everywhere. It's exciting. I'm not saying I consciously walked around thinking. No, no, no, no I mean, I know I totally understand what you're saying But what I'm saying to you or what what my experience Is specific there were more localized things That were more prominent and therefore took up more of my sure. Oh, sure That doesn't just that doesn't know I mean Maybe it's because of the people hung out with or whatever, but I did not get that's better than all of us I mean, I'm willing to I'm just I'm saying I did not get that sense. I didn't I thought you had it more than you think Well, I know that when we went to a little younger than any movie you went to see back then had russian Some in it right all of red dawn the day after All that stuff like it was all part of it So I think it was impossible for us to avoid it, but I never It never made me pessimistic or felt like Everything was going to go to crap Like I never almost I'll say this I I didn't plan for anything beyond the year 2000 And not because I envisioned some sort of what I'm talking about But but but I that wasn't because I didn't think there would be a world left because I could I for some reason thought there was going to be this huge Technological leap where humanity would like just transcend like like it turns out what we're discovering today Is that rogers actually more of an optimist than I am? I think it's because of of um Whoa, wait I mentioned in my in where rogers the optimist and tom is because no no kidding I didn't think we'd make it past year 2000 because I thought we would all be blown up that they There would be nuclear armageddon and we don't ever in my mind Like we'd be walking through fields of skulls and roger was like, oh, we won't make it to the year 2000 because technology will save us No, I know it's not that I didn't see this thing. We I didn't I believed we would exist past year 2000 I just couldn't envision what it would be like Right, it'll be so different because of our technology, you know, I'm like, oh no, we'll all be dead That if we're alive it will be a hellscape never never had that never Once crossed my mind. I totally did I never had did you not watch that hbo nostradama special because that's what did it to me No, I didn't have hbo. There you go. I like I only had over the that kept you I had no cable tv until 92 Well, there's your there's the trick. There you go. Yeah there you had too much. You had too much free time to watch Well, no, don't go with the if you watch tv, you must have too much free time That's definitely not just had access to no, you had too much free time to think about it I didn't have free time roger I just thought about it. You don't need free time. You can think while you you know, you're you're under the the whip If you can think about things like that Right now No, I really did I really did think like, oh, yeah, I'm not I'm not I'm not worried About uh, college what I do after college because there won't be a world Oh man You understand like when you're with Asian parents, your life is planned out. So that's that's doesn't you know what the world may or may not be there You're going to college and you're doing this You're being a doctor actually not that much different than Then what then what everyone was doing around me like it was it was like you go to college or you go get a job That that was what you did that it was planned out It was it was you know, it was different than what you're talking about with the Asian culture But the effect was the same like you all know exactly what you're expected to do Uh, you you graduate high school You either go into a manufacturing job or you go to college and you become a doctor or lawyer or something That makes you enough money to live A doctor lawyer as I like doctor lawyer would be the best. Yeah. Yeah, I sue the patients I serve They the way that pressure and expectation applied differs, but I don't think the expectation was that but yeah Like realistically, it's I never once thought I would end up in a nuclear holocaust. Oh, I totally did That's a you hung out with some really depressing people. I didn't know it was just me That's the people I hung out with who thought that uh, I take it back I I remember do you guys remember when Reagan sent bombers to libya. Yeah, yes All right, and now it's like a blip on the historical radar like people don't even talk about it people barely remember it happened I remember playing micro league baseball with my friend mark jergana And we had kmo x on and we heard that news and mark turned off the radio and I was like, what are you doing? He's like if we're not gonna wake up alive tomorrow. I don't want to know Oh man I you know, yeah totally did not ever happen to me that way. Yeah That's because you're in california This is odd because up until the mid 90s san francisco barry was a host to it Uh, a naval a naval base a naval air station. Yeah, right. No, you had the nuclear weapons over there in alameda I I remember being in uh out in the central valley and we were on my friend's my friend's friend's farm And we would watch all the b 52s In case he tankers fly out of castle air force base Um, I mean there was a huge there was a huge amount of military activity and I kind of figured if things are kind of copacetic It's it's fine if things are real like shit really hit the fan you would see things happen and things never really did You know what I mean? Like it didn't never really happen. I was fascinated with all those day after movies Yeah, like I I I thought that was like that's cool I guess I'd rather watch star wars return as a Jedi when it comes out You know what this funny tom because I was the same way. I didn't necessarily have the same bleak You know a thousand thing, but I love that that's why I love them now I love that those kind of genres like it's my favorite. I love Host cities and burned out this and zombies are here and maybe that's why you guys are podcasters Maybe my last human's alive This is our culture This is Lawrence Kansas. Is anyone out there anybody at all? Oh my gosh, that brings memories back I remember the day after I I was a big deal when it came out and I remember huge the teacher Talking about it in class But that's just an aside, you know, like it's just tv. It's not real It's like, okay That's how that felt for me for the original red dawn same kind of I got the same feeling when I was done with it was like, wow Like that is so same guy mark Who turned off the radio with the libya bombings? Would play red dawn out on the the uh, maybe you should have stopped hanging around mark I think it was I mean mark probably should have stopped hanging around me too Like we were just feeding off each other. Um, okay. I have some breaking news here This is important. I had put in a request Asking james s a quarry if cove fey meant anything in belter and he has responded dear god. I hope not Oh, man, that's awesome I followed him. Where is that so the official word? Uh, not not a but not belter slang. There you go Oh, that's great All right. Uh, thanks everybody for watching or listening. I hope you had a good time We certainly did and we shall be back tomorrow with senior justin robert young lung and his lungs everything Right, not just Both lungs probably his liver kidneys. I'll be here tomorrow. Goodbye