 Alright, welcome everyone. We'll call the meeting to order. It is um 4 15 We'll call the meeting to order. Okay, roll call Alderperson Felde I see here See you We don't hear you Barb we can't hear you if you can hear us Okay, I'll come back to her. Alderperson Heidemann here Alderperson Decker here Alderperson Ackley is excused um Alderperson Heidemann Some kind of noise well. Oh, I'm sorry Alderperson Felde Alder Felde. Can you hear us? Alderperson Felde. Can you hear us? Is she on? Yeah, I'm on but I'm sound is going in and out. Okay. We can hear you now Okay, you loud and clear. Thanks Okay, um and Alderperson Salazar here Okay, um if you're able can you please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance? Great, um if we can do an introduction of committee members staff and guests People start down here. Alderperson Heidemann 10th district Alderperson Dean Decker uh 6th district Uh Alderperson Salazar district 3 and chair of the committee Alder Felde if you could hear us would you like to introduce yourself? Yes Alder Felde district 1 Thank you All right, great. Thank you. Okay moving on to agenda item number five approval of minutes for the july 12th of 2023 meeting I make a motion to approve the minutes second great. We've got a motion and second Any discussion? Great all those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? I'll wait on that any opposed Great chair votes. I motion carries All right for agenda item number six. Uh, we're presentations of potential applicants for available class B alcohol beverage license Um, I believe they each get five minutes correct Okay, well, I think there's only two in the audience. So I don't see you taking up more than an hour So who would like to go first? Okay, if you can come to the podium here Oh And then I'll need you to state your full name correct Yep, I've been here before right David Engeldinger and I'm here on behalf of the historic shaborgan Masonic Lodge Foundation Inc Seeking a club license for the lodge We currently occupy the space at 1138 union avenue Which is the former vfw? facility For anyone who's been there, you know that there is a bar in the basement Uh, the masonic lodge would like to utilize that space primarily for members and guests to support our fundraising activities And occasionally open up to the public Any questions committee members? I do have a question. Um, when you say open to the public, how often do you do you see like five events a year? Two events a year. What are you currently doing? perhaps, I mean we we do some fundraising activity now we've had Some private dinners we have Last year we did a golf outing and you know having a license to operate the bar certainly would have in our fundraising activity Yeah So occasionally open to the public we are in the process of fixing up the kitchen that is in the building To hopefully have some dinners monthly ish currently our membership meets there twice a month and we use the facility for meals after our meetings and We'd certainly like to have that as an option to expand our our fundraising abilities So currently the usage of the space is for members only? Yes. Okay. And how much is your how many membership? How many? Members do you have? The Sheboygan Masonic Lodge has roughly about 50 members. Okay, not all of them active or even living in the area. We have a core group of Dozen two dozen people that shop regularly and participate But if we were able to I know many of us would like to bring guests into the facility And have the bar available for you know packer games Sporting events what have you? um So it would just be a great option for us to utilize Okay onto decker. Um, have you applied for let go a wine liquor or a wine wine and beer license? Just the the lessons restrictive license or the um, we have not So I'm I'm exploring this option tonight. Okay. That may be a suggestion just for you to think about and Yeah, I mean, it certainly is an option. Uh, but if the full liquor license is available No, why not? Okay. Thank you. Sure Any further questions? Great I'm sorry, I don't that's fine. I can do it. Yeah, if you can say your full name and then Scott Wojcicki On behalf of in the bag. I own the property Um, the other people left. I want to remodel it Change it around put new bathrooms in Put a different kind of kitchen in and reclaim the license again We currently do run, uh doghouse. I think we do a very good job there and frank's place on south or north side Uh, want to clean it up over there and make a couple changes remodel it And then reopen it. Can you state your location again? What location can you state where what location you're looking for the license for? In the big end of bay in the bay in the bay 1501 union Okay, and I think we turn around the other two places very good that we do have I don't know if you're familiar with the doghouse or frank's place or both very well around and Good product and good service and good good people coming in and You know any questions from the committee, um, I guess like yeah, um What kind of timeframe are you looking at? Well, if the state plans to go through like we plan for the bathrooms, that's going to be the big thing You know, I'm hoping Within six months or less But it it's all going to be on the the bathroom You know because I don't like the bathrooms in there. I don't know if you've ever been in there or not This is dude. This is the old millers bar. Is that okay? Okay. That's okay. I mean on the corner, right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean a woman's bathroom is Pretty tight Yeah, I think I've been there before you and then you got the men's bathroom We got the sink in a bar, which is third old-fashioned Okay, you know years ago that's already had it but You know today you don't have it like that I guess the one required problem that you would have is that it would have to be up within six months I'm getting a state approved by you know for the bathrooms because you got to have that Yes, um say you don't get the license. Does that mean you're not going to remodel or you're going to go on and remodel automatically? Well, I'm hoping to get the license back. It's been there for many many years and Like I said the other two operations. I think we do a very good job at You know and we're open seven days a week until Two two o'clock, you know at night so we're open seven days a week Okay, can I ask you a question? Yeah Um, how did you lose how did the license get lost to begin with? It basically the previous Owner of the license did not renew and so it expired. Okay, um, and they did not release the license to the new owner of the building So that she Yeah, she left them on a bar. She never turned them back in and technically she should have taken them here and brought them I'm here instead of leaving them Like they're to hit in there They were there But even that part she would have had if she had turned it in without releasing it to you We would have still been at the same. Yeah, and we had it in a lease agreement when when she was there, but Yeah, she just never took care of it. But they were licensed up until the end of the End of last year and a june. Oh, okay Is the bar currently open? No. No. Yeah, right. Was it open in june? No, so when when the when the previous owner Closed it it had been closed for some time So there may have been a six month issue at that time But knowing the time frame knowing that they were going to come in in july 1st rather than Yank the license that way Just had it come available on july 1st and and hold these hearing, you know hold these hearings afterwards Any other questions I think that's about it I guess My question is I I don't know that we got a clear answer You did say that you hope to have it open within six months You do understand that if you don't open within six months of being granted you'll lose the license again, right? You know it depends on the hopefully the state will give me The the print and they'll be okay for what we want to do Because I don't like the bathrooms at all I mean the other places are all nice and neat and clean. I don't know if you go to them or not, but They're very well-rounded places You can pray ask the police or a fire chief or police department. They'll tell you the same thing Okay, thank you. Thank you. Okay, so Then number seven All right Agenda item number seven is discussion and action regarding granting opportunities to apply for the available class B alcohol beverage license discussion Okay, well you wanted what was the motion again There's no motion. Just a discussion right now discussion and action. Okay Second Okay, well, I'm a okay, so just I get I'm gonna Make a motion to grant the Scott the license So technically it would be motion to grant him the opportunity to apply for the license apply for the license Right. That's the gentleman. That's for in the bay. We're in the bay I'll I'll second that And I I I'll preference every two days. I want to be in discussion on it. I just No offense to the sonic live, but I just think that it's such a limited use Um that we we we want to see a thriving business rather than I know it's frustrating for you, but it's just it's it's a reality of things Any other discussion great. Okay. Um all those in favor say I I Hi Any opposed Great chair votes I motion carries Congratulations So you'll be able to to go in and Make application technically after the common council meeting. Well, actually you could make the application now Um, and then you'll have 30 days to get that all done And so you'll be able to do that anytime in the next 30 days Great. Thank you to both of you. Thank you All right moving on to agenda item number eight RO number 26 23 by chief of police christopher demigowski pursuant to section 54 dash 65 of the municipal code Submitting the quarterly report showing the benchmark measurements of the police department for the period commencing april 1st 23 and ending june 30th of 23 chief Good afternoon. Um, so you have the report the highlights For it would be part one crime. There was a decrease in part one crime year to date in comparison to the same period in 2022 last year 403 this year versus 431 last year this includes a decrease in both crimes against persons 84 this year versus 98 last year In crimes against property 319 this year versus 333 Last year traffic accidents year to date Are up slightly 702 verse 680 last year They've been trending down over the last month And we're still under our target of 1500 so we're Still in a in a good place And then there was a decrease in involuntary commitments year to dates in comparison only 51 this year versus 70 I Say that with some pause We've been kept very very busy or continue to be kept very busy with that and so we're Have our fingers crossed that the co-responder program will start soon the county signed a Contract with elevate and they have positions posted so The sooner the better as far as that Then some of the other highlights during this period We had safety town Which we do with the service club and so we trained over 95 kids That around five years old Over a two-week period in traffic safety and Just general safety issues We finished up our citizens academy where we had over 25 citizens that spent 11 weeks with us learning about what we do We hosted two sessions of the junior police academy where we had 20 kids two times for a week at a time Really teaching them values based things and kind of given him some exposure to the police department In may and june we had a number of large item disposal With some of the neighborhood groups and dpw that we worked on on june 8th About 20 members of the police department participated in the torch run raising funds for special olympics Um, and then on june 15th We partnered with safe heart were in the mung community center to host a talk on domestic violence and sexual assault So we've been very busy for the period Any questions I don't have any questions, but I will applaud you on all the outreach you've done your team in this past quarter That's a lot. It's a significant amount But it you know creates a good sort of dialogue with the community and safety town is awesome My son's been through the program. We love it Any other questions? Good job. Good job. I guess I go Thank you Okay, so I am Looking for a motion to accept and file Motion to accept and file second Great. Any other discussion? All right. All those in favor say aye I Then I just want to mention two. We have two upcoming events One on saturday july 29th from 10 a.m. To 3 p.m We have a bicycle rodeo for the kids that teach them about bike safety and bicycle laws and Hand out helmets and stuff. That's at st. Peter claver church And then on august 19th. We have our community barbeque with bako and unity walk So that's from about 10 a.m. To 3 p.m. Is that one at fountain park? Yes, okay Great everyone mark your calendars um any opposed Great chair votes aye motion carries Okay, um moving on to agenda item number 10 general ordinance number 13 23 24 and or nope. I'm sorry. I skipped item number nine agenda item number nine Our own number 27 23 24 by fire chief pursuant of section 50-564 of the venice full code Submitting a quarterly report of benchmark measurements for the fire department for the period commencing an april first of 2023 and ending june 30th of 2023 I promise I didn't want to hear from you. Yeah Thanks chair. Can you see me? I'm right here The floor is yours chief So real quick just some highlights Everybody has a report but some highlights our call volume continues to rise We're we're a little behind of where we were last year, but that's normal We're we're on track for about 6,300 calls for then the year We have completed a numerous over half of our inspections Which is we're way ahead of schedule because unfortunately we've had some light-duty Individuals so they've been helping us do during their light duty workload going out and doing the inspections So that's had also a positive effect on our shipped training and you'll see our numbers are we've already surpassed the amount that we were shooting for because of the light duty not having to go do the inspections as a company They were able to do more training. We also implemented a new training software, which is Tracking those training events more accurately Something that we are continuing to work on is our fire response Trying to get that percentage to the 90 percentile. So we're up 10 percent from where we were last year and also our mutual aid we're Unfortunately, we didn't start tracking it very well until the third quarter last year Just because of the software we're using in the rms system. So now Back in that day, we had duplicate efforts and all that and it wasn't as accurate So now we are tracking it and you'll see the mutual aid numbers both for Mutual aid given which is us helping other communities and receiving which is them helping us. So We still are on our way into the fall. So we'll be hitting the school system public education classes and and training and education all that so they'll be coming Any questions? We'll be at the community event too Any any questions look at the fire truck Okay, wonderful. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you um if If i'm looking for a motion to accept and file So move second Great. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye all those Say nay All right. Well, can I well carry if she didn't say? Yeah, it's still free to zero great. Um Chair votes aye motion carries Did we lose bar? Okay, all right moving on to officially item number 10 general ordinance number 13 23 24 an ordinance Mending chapter 14 of the city of shabuigan municipal code so as to create article 14 Dash 9 relating to the mobile entertainment providers We check Adam So who takes who takes lead on this? I can answer any questions Did but did you want to make you probably should put it on the floor so you can make your motion to amend after that? Okay, great. I um Would like to amend you got to put you got to first have a motion And a second to approve and then once that happens then you can make the motion to amend. Okay Um, do we have any questions? I guess just kind of a little explanation. I guess of this move might be good for everybody that's listening Okay, good. Sure. So, uh, this ordinance is Was initially um The result of a conversation with the owners of the ax bar And they wanted to be able to park their ax throwing trailer On the street. Well, they they can't do that Currently because the use of any city property city right of way would be You know for commercial use would require Some kind of permission by the city Rather than come in and ask you for permission each and every time he wants to park the trailer somewhere The thought was uh, he wanted to have some kind of a license to do that So what we did is Using the food truck license Ordinance as a pattern We created what's called a mobile entertainment vehicle license Which allows a mobile entertainment provider To park in the right of way following similar rules to those in the in the food truck Ordinance It is designed to be you know, obviously it came specifically out of ax throwing But we didn't want to just have an ax throwing trailer license Otherwise every time somebody came up with a new idea we'd have to come up with a new license for it So the idea is any kind of a mobile entertainment Would you know would would fit under this and we've tried to define that In the ordinance, uh, you know, we we tried to come up with We had we tried to brainstorm what kind of ideas people might come up with that that would fit this And then drew up an ordinance that's hopefully broad enough so that most Things that people come up with will will fit under that ordinance. So we thought you know somebody Has a truck or a trailer that has You know a vr game inside of it People come in and play that that would work or You know sort of a You know dance dance revolution type thing or You know Those kinds of things video games, you know, yeah anything that that's sort of Like that and and is contained within Sort of a trailer or a truck There's a couple of differences between this and the food truck license The primary difference is the the food trucks actually Do require a a specific vehicle or a trailer that's In completely enclosed and attached this doesn't require it to be entirely enclosed But does then put some more restrictions on noise We didn't we weren't so worried about that with the food trucks But most there's also a little bit more Availability to use space just Immediately adjacent like so the food trucks aren't allowed to put little Signs out outside of their truck. They're not allowed to put little tables up Even though you probably see some of them do it on volrath night. Um, those are technically not allowed We we did figure that there's probably a need for somebody to take money outside. And so we allowed For that They're not allowed to serve or sell or distribute food or drink So this is not a food truck with something else. It is got it does have to be something Separate so That's what's that's what's there. I understand there's going to be a motion to reduce the fee That's certainly up to you the the fee was just based on the food truck license fee. That's all Any other question? Yeah, um, so what um, what liability does the city have? on something like this because we we we allow it if something gives someone gets hurt is totally on the The the uh, the licensee or is there some liability to the city? They do have to get license they as part of the license they have to get show that they've got insurance They've got to sign a hold harmless that kind of thing. Okay. We're not sort of Looking at what is the nature of the entertainment? Um, and one of the reasons for that is we don't want to get into the sort of the Business of deciding this is more dangerous. This is less dangerous where potentially we could be then held liable for making that decision Okay, uh, basically the idea is Here we're allowing people to make money using The city right of way and so in order to allow them to do that We're going to license them and require them to meet certain specific license requirements to do that So I think the likelihood of liability is fairly fairly low. Okay. Good. Good Oh, yep I'll take it. Thank you. Sure. Um, I guess one of the concerns I have What about the like the mobile dj? He's sitting down. He goes down to king park A family says well, we hired this dj to come in so He can park on the street and and Play his music Is and I don't see anywhere where there's a decibel level anywhere as far as how noisy they can be Within this ordinance. It's section 14.371 sub i fast for you No music or amplified sound that can be heard outside of the mobile entertainment vehicle is permitted Run that by me again No music or amplified sound that can be heard outside the mobile vehicle mobile entertainment vehicle is permitted. Okay So then that basically would disallow any type of a dj to do It would disallow any kind of dj whose music can be heard outside of the vehicle. So yes, so unless he's just playing for people inside the vehicle Okay, come on. Yeah Come on into my party bit Any other questions Okay, okay, I'll make a motion to approve second Okay, now before you do that now you make your motion if you okay I would like to make a motion to amend under section 14-37 item g It states that the cost is 500. I would like to reduce that to 250 372 three Section 372. Sorry 372 I'll second that I'll you made a motion. Yep. Okay motion on second Great any discussion check it All right, all those in favor say I I I Great Any opposed Great chair votes. I that motion carries. So now I need to have a motion on the As the ordinance has amended. Okay. Can I get a motion on the ordinance as amended? Have it we have the motion. It's now been amended. So now it's just a motion Oh, okay. All those in favor say I hi Great any opposed Great chair votes. I motion carries Great um agenda item number 11 ro number 28 23 24 by city clerk submitting various license applications So staff is recommending approval of the applications on this ro There's been a little bit of an update on these things. So as to blue harbor We're recommending That approval is contingent upon approval of the premises description by my office and by approval and Uncontingent upon approval of the use of the property if necessary By the common council it does involve some city property and that would have to be done separately the Approval for driftwood is simply contingent on meeting all the requirements of the rda That the rda granted in their approval for the use of the property So we're looking for a motion to approve these with those with the staff contingencies Motion to approve with staff contingencies second Great. So I have a motion and second any discussion Great. All those in favor say I Any opposed Great chair votes. I motion carries Okay agenda item number 12 ro number 29 23 24 A direct referral by city clerk submitting a license application for the change of premise And this one there's been a slight change as well. It's like the it's somewhat like the one for blue harbour staff is recommending Approval the application on this ro contingent upon approval of the premises description by the city attorney's office I will make a motion to approve With staff contingencies So we have a motion and second any discussion Great. All those in favor say I Any opposed Chair votes. I motion carries All right. Next meeting date will be august 16 2023 I'm looking for a motion to adjourn So move second great. Um All those in favor say I Any opposed great meeting adjourned. Thank you Thank you