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And I'ma give her eight men, Ms. Jamaica can cook. Man, I come to Texas for the food. Man, we just happy to have you, man. I just wanted to, I really want to go into the fact of, man, like, you know, the Peru game, they came from, now I want to say that they came, you've given me the history on it before. I know it was treetop, was treetop before Peru? Yes. And that's what, and it was the streets, right? Yeah, the name of our streets were on the streets. New York's Elm Street. Nightmare on Elm Street. We ran Freddie Cougar out of California. Okay. And then Pablo Street, Maple Street, Brazil Street, Magnolia Street, and all of our streets were named after trees. Well, and for some reason I was thinking, you know, we've talked before, but okay, did the Crips basically a whole separate entity? The Pyrus didn't come from the Crips, right? No, no, not at all. Okay, well, explain to me where the Pyrus hide really, like, let's go back down to history lane and just, and I want to know why they were red too, if they're not, if they weren't bloods up front, why do they wear the same colors? Well, actually, Pyrus Street is a street in Compton, so that makes us citizens, and the street is a big street, and it had a lot of boys on it. So it was the Pyrus boys originally, and we had a conflict, and when they asked, who was these guys, they said it was Pyrus, and when the Pyrus, then they end up calling us roosters. Okay. So a rooster is red, so the red roosters are simulated with bloods because bloods were red. Okay. So it came to the fruition, Pyrus became roosters and this and this and that, so we are simulated with the LA gang, the Five Nine Brims were one of the first blood sets in LA that went against the Crips, and so the Pyrus formulated and became a brand. I wanna ask, because NoJumper is a show, and I've seen you on NoJumper, and I shout out to them guys, but back in the days, the way they're set up now, you know, you have different sets that just all operate within that realm come through there because of California, because of LA, Compton, all these different, you know what I mean, sets in that area, but they're able to go through, do interviews and all that, and it always amazed me like, dang, how did they get along and they all from different parts? You know, being somebody from Texas, you see that and you're thinking, they can't be in the same building, but when you look at that show, a lot of times, different sets always coming through there. I know I just always was stripped out about it. When I was on NoJumper, it's way in the valley, so it ain't like- Oh, it's in the valley, okay. Everybody boy, it ain't in the hood. It ain't in the hood. No, no, he ain't doing it on Bentley, he ain't doing it on Compton Boulevard. He's doing it way out in Van Nuye somewhere. Okay, okay. So you're transporting out there, so is it just like I come to Texas, these interviews and everybody clout chasing, so it's something to get my face on here and I'm gonna talk about my set and I do this and I do that and I'm just like, so yeah, that's a avenue of exposure to everybody. Okay. So and that works out there because that's kind of what, we are the same like people that's trying to get known for something or do what they do or just the history of something, that's what these podcasts have turned into. You know, where everybody, shout out to my boy, Cam Capone News. I rock with Cam Capone News for sure. Like I've seen you on there as well, like I always thought about like Compton, right? And I think about like I'm a, when I come to a city or wherever I go, it's like, man, where's the project? What is the project? Where's the projects for? Why do the people that say, you know, the- Well, let me say this. If I had for LA or for Compton? We ain't got no projects. We ain't got no projects. No projects? They wanna say, well, Slick came on with all year's projects. No- There's no project. As single family homes, Fruittown, Westside, Piru, Caponella Park, we have apartments that are subsidies. Okay. But as far as, when you think about projects, you think about the Nickerson Gardens, the Imperial Courts, the Jordan Down Projects, Aliso Village Projects, we don't have massive projects in Compton. The biggest, what we would call a project would be Wilmington Arms. And that's a Cripset on Wilmington, right? But we don't have per se projects like that. Elm Street, we are all on our papal-owned homes. Piru Street, when you go down Piru Street, you ain't gonna see dudes hanging out like I was over on Malcolm X and Martin Luther King last night. I've never seen that many blacks. Shout out to Martin Luther King. Southside, South Nellis, let's go. You've never seen that many blacks. 415, and then later it got the more blacks was out there. We came, one, shout out to my partner, Bobby Love. Bobby Love, Bobby Love. Bobby Love took me through everything. I had the first time out and really seen Dallas and a real light that he signed. Man, it's something to see, boy. Man, yeah, yeah, yeah. I couldn't even take enough pictures. I was amazed. This was LA in the 60s. Black folks everywhere. So, it's just like, man, you seen a flood of red, you seen young girls. I love young girls. And so, it's a different atmosphere. Y'all hanging out. They sitting there in the front yard, slapping dominoes. You come through counting. After seven o'clock, you're not gonna see nothing but Mexicans. No blacks at all. You think, where they all at? And the zoo? Yeah, like where? Or in the museum, you know? But why is that so? What are they at? We evaporated. We start becoming other than self. And I don't wanna live here anymore, so we move with Peckerwood. I got you. But we go to Merino Valley. We go to the Temecula, trying to get my kid away from this bad environment. And when your kid get there, he become the environment. You know what I'm saying? He didn't come out the house in Compton, but when he gets to Rancho Cucamonga, he's a pyro. With white folks, nice ass in the penitentiary. Should have left him right there, and he would have been at a better place, you know? I remember seeing you when Drake was out there in Bumpton. Right, right. And it was something that caused him to have to flee the scene that day. Oh yeah, he wanted it. What happened on that whole situation? Game? Leave me up to it. You're like, what now? Well, game was progressive, and he took Brazil Street, and it's a dead-end street. And he put his whole little operation there, and they called it Black Wall Street. Okay. So that was Compton's Black Wall Street, and everybody was over there. And so they did a Drake, a Drake and Game did a video. And as they were doing the video, they were sitting up doing the video and this and this and that. So Lil Rob, one another little Cedar Block homies, he and him in game had got into it, you know, the day before. So Bruh pushed up, like, game, like, man, check this out, Bluh, we gotta do this and this and this and this and that. So a couple of people that came to be, you know, with it, seen him with a gun in his pocket and fled to the back. He said, oh, I was just protecting my artist. I put this up and I did that, but you got the fuck out the way. You saw violence getting ready to happen, then you wasn't with it like you say you was with it. So he took, because Drake wasn't really moving until this guy just grabbed him and he put him in the car, you know. And so another one of the homies, he got between it and settled it off, but, you know, and things went on, but it's real in the field sometimes. Like, I remember Jamie talking about when he was on the set with Plyes and they were somewhere and, you know, the people here, Plyes, this was years ago in LA, they hear you saying, I'm about this life as a rapper and they want to challenge the fact to say, is you really about what you say you do in these songs? Like, so when you see a rapper or a rap group of people in the hood, a lot of times in neighborhoods, I even seen that, I believe it was, I want to say, I can't remember which one in Atlanta. It might have been the baby. The baby was down there and the guys from the city came out because he was trying to do a video. You ain't let nobody know you was going to be here. Like, is that a thing like in the neighborhoods up there where if you do come out to do something, you better know somebody. You got to know somebody, that's the check-in policy. Get your ass, you'll never know the temperature. That's just like one of my homies, they do security for Rick Ross, right? And Rick Ross, he was doing a show in Detroit and then Detroit boys wasn't having it. They shut the whole thing out, dude. You just come in and you ain't paid nobody. You just can't come in and do no show. They trying not to get taxed. Yeah, you're like, man, look, you ain't done nothing for us in Detroit. That's how we run this line. So getting with the police and nothing else, this dude run such a line in Detroit, he shut Rick Ross' whole performance down. Ain't nothing moving. But you would think, what I think about is a bigger picture, man, like when these people come and they video, do music videos or shows or whatever, that's bringing more light to your city. That's bringing exposure. It's not bringing no revenue to my city. Everybody talk about Compton, everybody's re-wrapping. We got no economical windfall from that. Out of 53 years of Pyruan, it's not a building that says Pyruan on it. That's bad economics. Everybody around, every comedian talk about Compton. You can't say nothing at Compton and we don't get no revenue for it. So you're not just using us, you misuse us. But if I don't argue about it, ain't nothing to be to do. I'll give you what you need, right? So it's just like the things that we do sometime is not for our profit. And it never is until we get a gang intelligence to be financially literate, you know? Sure did a hell of a thing with death row. But you went through $147 million and got nothing to show for it. You didn't buy 20 houses in the mob and I got to go into the mob and apologize for some of the homies that I made a reference to here on Boss Talk that the mob came out of a Crips set and I got scolded and corrected for that. That the mob was never Crips, mobs was never Crips. So I recant that in public service announcement. Don't show me mob James, I'm just trying to go to y'all. Sorry to mob James, man. Mob and B, they was on my head. Mob, what the hell you mean? Man, we ain't never been no Crips set, man. I'm like, okay, I don't love. I mean, it's really, that's the history though and it's really something to where because of so many people lives that them being changed or, you know, people have lost their lives, they do wanna get the correct history on what people went through to create, you know, whatever it may be, you know, to make sure their legacy is told in a way that they remembered in a way that they were because they put their life on the line for it. It ain't like we put our life on the line, everything you do, you have selfish motives. You know, if we put our life on the line, I should wanna put my life on the line for something to end better me. But at the time, don't you think that as these groups progressed, did they ever have a time when they was trying to do something positive? All of them had it at points. It gave me one. Gangs of people, right? So there has never been food drives. There have never been turkey drives. There have never been things that they done in the neighborhood, nothing. It's some artist that's done that, like TDD, he does things every Christmas with the Nickerson Gardens, you know, and he brings an artist in and he does a hell of a Christmas giveaway and give all these toys, but doesn't change the mindset. You give me a toy to tear up. It's not doing nothing for me and my future. You feel what I'm saying? So is that really giving back? You know, I get some shoes from, what's the name of that store? Swish, the shoe warehouse. Yeah. The white folks donate them shoes, you know? It's right after them. So they, you give a couple of shoes, okay, it's good, it's good for show, but are you doing anything for your neighborhood? You know, Michael conception, he got a Michael conception foundation. This dude turned around as a Crip. This dude does a lot of positive things under the load. Big Hugh, I don't even know him personally, but I know the things that he's done and people try to show, they don't talk about that this man took a hundred black boys and bought them tuxedos and took them to dinner. They didn't know a soup spoon from a solid fork from anything else, but those type of little impressions last on you. You know what I'm saying? Well, you take somebody, they never had what they call church shoes or they've been wearing tennis shoes all their life and you dress them up. There's a different impression, you know? I had one of my little homies one time, we was in the county jail in 4,300, the blood module and I came in, I had some burgundy loafers, you know? And he like, more, you got them damn church shoes on. I'm like, bro, I'm a grown, I'm gonna be wearing khakis and flip flops all my life. Blood, I ain't gonna never change, whoop-de-whoop-de-whim. I seen him about six years later. He didn't got a wife, got a girlfriend. Nah, man, I went to Vegas more and I had to buy some slacks in my girl, but nah, the situation changed. You ain't any khakis no more. When you knew better, you do better, you know? I really, when you look back, you know, we, of course we know we talked about Chris Browner here, but Soulja Boy, Soulja Boy's another one that claimed Fruit Town, you know, I'm being honest. Like, you got all of these different, y'all, you know, you gotta understand, it's something about, it's fascinating. Yeah. I mean, it's like a, you know how you get a crystal ball or something that, or if you get a cat and he sees him yawning, it just, it's fascinating to some of these guys, man, like, but to see them claim these areas, I mean, I don't know, originally, I don't know if this is why, I think he came that early on in life or whatnot, but Soulja Boy claims that, have you ever seen him doing anything in the communities up there? No, but don't, you know, but it's just like, They put it on the song. Once you come in, it's just like you seein' this candy and it's amazing to you, and you look at it and it's so pretty and you open the package and it don't taste worth the shit. Like, damn, that wasn't all that. So once they see us and see the core or who we are, they don't hang around. That's crazy because you, it's just something because you can, it's a whole movement, like where people make a lot of song, a lot of music. A lot of music. A lot of music, yeah. And then they don't profit us. And if we talk to Motherland, come in, you know, you got to check in, you got to do this, but what, who want to come to a park? Yeah, any man 45 years old, 50 years old that's in the park every day is a pedophile. That's what children play. So you ain't got together enough so you can get a building. All the motorcycle clubs got club houses. You know what I'm saying? YMCA got a house. Why don't we have an edifice? But if even if the, what would you guys do if a rapper or people who are these entrepreneurs decided to reach out? What would be the first move? To get a building and because these rappers now, we got young people that are starving, that want to do some stuff and they have nowhere to go. So for $1,500, you can set up a studio and let young dudes from Crips or Pyroos or whatever in these sections. When I grew up, they had, they called team posters. They used to take empty houses and make it where kids could come in in every neighborhood and they could represent and they could play, shoot, pool, hang out. And they found out the creativity of that was so great. Once Cripping started, all of that got washed out. We don't have team posters anymore. We don't have sock hops anymore. We don't have parades like it was because they came in and started vandalizing stuff in their own neighborhoods and they counsel it out. So people don't feel safe to bring your child out because people looking like you are doing shit to you. Kids can't go to Halloween. They're snatching little kids' bags and stuff, but you won't do that in the white community. So when you start ravaging our own, we lost a lot of traditional academics because of gang behavior. Let me ask, oh go ahead. But then to me, when situations like that happen and they're ravaging their own, it should almost feel like the upper heads in that community or that gang or that whatever should step up to say, this is against policy. This is against- But we don't have no policy. It ain't no policy. It should have some sort of- It should have, but I mean, you supposed to have, but I'm protecting my hood. Right, exactly. But they say people that are abused become abusers. Yeah, because the thing is that if y'all hate, back then, they're like, well, I don't like the police because they're unjustly do things and blah, blah, blah. So in your own community, you're supposed to be policing the people around you so you don't need nobody else to come in to do what you already been doing. Policing each other. You get what I'm saying? But by the same token, just like you say, it's more police kill us than us, but we won't attack the police. If you come through my hood, I'm like, who is you? And I pull a strap out. But a police come through by itself and everybody breaking run. What's the difference in killing? I'm non-discriminate. Everybody can get it. You know what I'm saying? So when you have such, we're still in possession of a slave mentality and we'll do shit to each other, but we won't do it to the real oppressor. Oh man, you can't fight city hall. How come you can't? I want to ask you about something that's, Tory Lane's, you know, they convicted him and he's headed, he's headed to prison now. He's about four and a half. He's about a buck or five. He got 10 years convicted for shooting Megan Thee Stallion in the feet. They just sent him down. He tried to get a stay, sometimes. You seen that? I heard about it. But now he's got to go, and this is supposed to be a hideous, what county was that in? I don't remember, I don't remember, I can look it up, but he got to go to prison. Okay. He's got to go to an institution. We don't have prisons anymore. Institution, whatever the inmates, you know. He's going, but they say he's said the day that he's in fear for his life. Okay. That's intelligent to say that. He'll go in there. He'll be the, Tori Lane gonna get a visit every day. He's going to get $240 in his packages every day. He gonna be good because the dudes in prison, they fans too. Okay. You dig what I'm saying? So it ain't like he coming in there. This is so cut though. He's not going to go to a level five. He's not going to Pelican Bay. He's not going to Folsom, nowhere. They take him to Donovan with Sheer, set him somewhere and things don't go right. They don't have PC anymore. They call them S and Y. What's that? S and Y is sensitive needs. So he's going to North Kern State Prison. Kern, Kern, that's it by Bakersfield. That's where you go. He may not stay in Kern. That's an Avenal, tell it all, Avenal, or that's Avenal. He won't go to Corcoran, but he may not even stay in Avenal. Say he's scared for his life now. Okay, I mean that's intelligent. Yeah, cause he'll never be him. You know, but he'll be all right. So he's not trying to go up in there and be a bully. You know, like, man, I mean, so whatever happened to me, you know, when y'all watch, I already told you. He said that it feels like he's going to be a target because of his celebrity status. Okay. There's a lot of celebrities go to prison. Yeah. So it'll make him any different. He different. You know, he's playing the game. Ghosts put me in a cell by myself. Let me have, when you escort me back and forth to visit, let me be on the top of the line. You know what I'm saying? Put me, why would Tory Lane get a job working in the kitchen in prison? So he's according to him, he's out of the lanes escorted to the showers where he bathes by himself. Right. And if he chooses to spend time in the yard, he'll be the only one fenced in in that area. Okay. You know, he's going to be in, and he says they administrated him to SIG because of his high profile status. Which keeps him largely apart from these others. I was wrong. He's five foot three. Oh, yeah. His size definitely set back a source says, the inside ad, he is a house with real or hardcore criminals, murderers. So he is really hoping that his lawyers will be able to continue to fight for his freedom while he maintains his innocence. The whole thing is a mess. But for him doing all of that, and for him being escorted and doing all of that, doesn't that, wouldn't that make other inmates mad? Because he's just like, not saying being a sissy, but it's like he's getting privileges. Wouldn't that make them upset? That doesn't affect any of the other prisoners? Or they don't care? I mean, they ain't got nothing. I mean, they may say he a bitch ass nigga, but that's intelligence. Being escorted, I mean, escorted to the shower, I want to stay safe. He had a hell of a time going. Look at that picture right there with him and Megan before he should have stuck with that. Instead of trying to do anything, now he had to leave all that to go over. But see, and the amazing thing about that, even what the situation is with him, how it could, because he's so high profile, anybody else, that's his first offense. Why didn't he get probation? Yeah. You understand me? Why didn't he get a year in the county jail like they would do if I shot somebody? I may not go to prison, even I got a sentence. I've been to prison before, but selective prosecution, because he's a black rapper, you dig what I'm saying? And it wasn't actually, I wasn't there. Allegedly, when the gun was shot, it ricocheted and hit her. He didn't just shoot her in the pinky toe, like Harlem Knights, I wasn't there, but what I understand, the bullet ricocheted accidentally or whatever, he pulled it out, you know? But that's harsh, 10 years for a first offense. For somebody, he don't have any gang ties, he don't have any priors. If a white boy did it, he wouldn't have got 10 years. No. You know? No. So they make an example out of him, you know? He'll be all right. Yeah, and like I said, I really, like I said, I hate to see him in that situation. You know? Yeah, well, you don't kill him and make him fight. He need that situation. He's gonna get him right. Oh yeah, I mean, He's 31 now. So when he come out in 10 years, do you think he'll still be able to pop in his music? Well, he's not gonna do 10 years, and I heard David Kenner, Sugar's ex-attorney. Well, old man, he's old shyster. What he said. He's supposed to be trying to get him an appeal bond. So he may do a year, two years, and get out on a two, $300,000 appeal bond and just stretch it out like Bootsy's rubber band. You know, you never hold. Soon as this celebrity status fall off and they got another sucker, they let him out. You know, he ain't gonna do the 10. What? Okay. Also, I was gonna ask you about Bootsy and the gun charge. I seen you online talk about it just a little bit. This was a while back, but it's still something he's dealing with. He's wearing a leg monitor now, and he's basically able to move around before him, do what not. I'd never heard of someone getting, you know, jammed up with the feds and then being able to move around like that. That was the first for me. Oh yeah, well, the feds, you know, and like I said, he was targeted, you know, and it just wasn't just no mere traffic stop. They knew who he was and what was going on. And they supposed to have a picture of him in the wrap and he's doing his video and holding a gun. And then he got crack with the gun, but then they got a thing called Operation Safe Streets. And so instead of the state taking it, and I said before and more unlikely, the feds is gonna pick it up because under Operation Safe Street, interfering with commerce, any known felon or gang member in possession of a weapon that wasn't made in that state is guilty of interfering with commerce. And it's a 25 year sentence. It's hard to beat. So it's almost impossible to beat because all they have to find out that you are a felon and that the gun that you possess was not made in the state that you're in. Wow. Those are the only- But basically that's a lot of guns. A lot of guns, you know. They made it for gangsters. It was robbing banks, interfering with commerce, shooting on a main street. You did what I'm saying? So they made the law for a commerce law. And it's hard to beat. It's hard to beat, you know? Yeah, he definitely- I had an attorney by the name of Milton Grimes and Milton, we took it to trial. And Captain Shahid Bahamut and Omar Bradley, the mayor of Compton, they was trying to get Omar and by them trying to get Omar when this incident happened, they tried to set me up to turn on Omar. And so when they couldn't set me up, they turned the case over to the feds. Damn, what the hell? I'm not a federal. I don't do nothing, you know? So I got a commerce case in there. I mean, I was shook. Like, man, it's hard to beat a commerce at, you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, man, I'm just so stuck. And that's how I elevated my life to banks, you know? So I found out that using the gun is primitive. White folks been killing a long time with guns. So the only one profits off a gun charge is the undertaker. So whatever you do with a gun is primitive. You don't need to know that. But in looking at the crime, I was in the law library one day and I was reading in the law library and I was looking at computer fraud. Computer fraud? I said, what the hell is computer fraud? And I'm looking at computer fraud and computer fraud, the first element, your first arrest, your first conviction of computer fraud, stealing money out the bank, you can steal up to $80 million and the top crime is 48 months. Wow. So we get busted. Why, they give you a long time for doing nothing. You just end the way. I was arrested in Houston, Texas back in 1978 and my attorneys, Adamo and Cobb, we were going to court one day and they said, Judge Pete Moore, he said, he was sentenced in this boy was 18 years old, right? And the boy had a GTA grand theft auto. Him and his friend had stole a car, right? And Judge Pete Moore says they were trying to give him 60 years and he played to 30 years for stealing a car, right? And Judge Pete Moore, white America woke my eyes up. He said, son, I'm sending you to TDC, Texas Department of Correction for Grand Theft Auto. He said Marvin Zidler is a car coming, a shipping dealer in Houston, Texas. Marvin Zidler sells 2000 cars a month and you took a car from a 65 year old lady that had to take her husband to dialysis. And I make you a minister, your community, not post revokes. You took some old shit from some niggas that needed it. So you are a minister. So we're gonna let you pick cotton for 30 years because if you get your head right and you start stealing for us, we're gonna have a problem. Wow. But you could have stole a brand new car and they probably wouldn't even missed it. But you took something that somebody go in your house and steal your TV. You're gonna fight for your shit. And they can go to Walmart and put it in a basket and walk right on out, a brand new one. That's real. And it's a tax write off. But it's easy for us to ravage each other. I'm gonna kill for my shit. Everything but my girlfriend. I ain't killin' her for her. Instead of my property. First crib killin' in Los Angeles or in California. The first actual crib killin', everybody will say it's the Baloo. It was the first noted crib killin' in 1972. Howard Baloo, his son was a, his father was a prominent black lawyer and they had a record hop at the Hollywood Palladium and some crips stomped him to death. But before that in 1969, at Taco Tia on 41st and Central, one of the guys coming from the Pueblo Projects had a red waistline leather coat and they stomped him to death. And that was the first killin'. Why did, why? Either one of those, why did that happen? Why did they? Because they were takin' it. And with the Baloo, everybody talk about, it was Baloo had a suit on. But his friend had a leather coat on. And the crisp was tryin' to take dude's leather coat and he intervened and they beat him to death. Right? So this is where we talk about ravaging your own community. They started takin' tennis shoes and takin' coats from him. Your mother worked hard to buy you this. Instead of them goin' to Sears or JC Penney's and stealin' them from the stove, they wanna take it from you. You know, the wrong concept of each other. You know? So that ravishing and people start wanting to protect themselves so they mount it up. We ain't lettin' y'all just do this. Some people just ain't havin' it. It's because I ain't out the projects. Don't mean I ain't gonna fight for my shit. You know? That's real, that's real. What, oh, when did the crisps in the blood start even actually having issues? Like I said, the five, nine brims and they wore Stingy brims and they had red matches around their hat. Okay. And they had a thing at the LA Coliseum that was the Battle of the Bands. And the crisps thought that they just gonna run over these dudes. I remember you sayin' that. Yeah, and they wasn't havin' it. And so they gathered up and they start havin' squabbles with the crisps and then it led on to the bounty hunters involved in themselves. The city stones, they were just peace stones at the time and the city stones and then you had the 20s or the 20s was Hoover families. And then when the Hoover Crips stand they went over to neighborhood 20s and so the blood gangs start protecting themselves from the crisps. You know? And so it just mushroomed. But where you have all of these different gangs like even in the, whether the crisps or the Peru or the bloods they always have so many different sets. Like you're naming. Are all those sets created because just like when we talk about the Bible or the churches, the things that are created like the Catholic, Anglican, Episcopal all this other stuff is because of something that they did not agree with with what that first church was doin' so they created something. It's the same thing with the gangs where something that they didn't agree with and they said, you know what, out of school creates my own. It's just like when you talk about Christianity. King James in England was under Catholicism and it was total Catholicism. So King James wanted to divorce his wife and he asked the Pope and the Pope said, we don't deal with no divorce here. So they used the Gothic Bible. So King James had 24 scribes and he rewrote the Bible, the King James version of the Bible and they were the first Epistopalians. The Scottish didn't want to change so they became protestors and they became Protestants. You dig what I'm saying? So these is all created from political concepts not religious views. You feel what I'm saying? So by the same token, but they all call themselves believing in the same book but they have different philosophies. The Jehovah Witness, it came behind a joke in 1919. Judge Rutherford was talking about Jehovah, right? And so when you talk about it in the same way, damn, come to the neighbor 10 square miles. Now, fruit town was just fruit town at one time. Now you got 500 block, everybody got their own block. You know what I'm saying? You got this insane, you got this. Everybody create their own little sections. But by doing so and having all that, it's like we're creating our own sacred. Yeah, we're trying to get rid of slavery and slavery had all the separation and stuff like that but now we're creating our own separation by having all these different sets and all these different religions and all these other things and it's to, whether kill each other or argue with each other or feel like I'm right, you're wrong, whatever and cause conflict and not realizing the biggest thing in the middle of all of this, whether gang or religion or whatever, it's a devil. Okay. You see what I mean? Two cause conflict for us to kill each other. Okay. But by talking about the devil, the devil only suggests he ain't saying shit to you, you're going to do it. You know what I mean? We lie on the devil all the time. Poor devil, he's just doing what he do. And he suggested and when he tell a lie, he said, well, did he tell, in Islam it says that Prophet Muhammad went to Iblis talk to the devil and he said that he was commissioned by God a lie to tell Prophet Muhammad the truth. Whatever you tell him, tell him the truth and Prophet Muhammad asked the devil. He says, if my believers ask you a question so and so, what do you tell him? He said, Muhammad, first I tell him the truth. He said, but if he asks you again, what do you tell him? He says, then I tell him a story. He said, but then if he persisted and asked you again, then he said, I tell him my outright lie. And he says, your followers believe the lesser before they believe the first. You know what I'm saying? It's just like me. I say, hey, E, let me have $1,000. You got no $1,000 for you. Man, yeah, I came all the way out here, man. Come on, give me a thousand. You said, wait, man, let me, I got to talk to my wife about it. Now you didn't tell me the story, right? Man, she caught, man, Jamaica. No, I'm good for the money. He said, let me talk to Walmart. Come back tomorrow, meet me at Chase Bank. I get to the bank. You don't show up. I'm mad as fuck. You told me the lie, I believe the lie. But you told me the truth from the beginning. I ain't giving you shit. You dig what I'm saying? So we get involved in the commercialism of lies. The TV, emptiness lies, and we like that better than the truth. The news have never told you, I'ma tell you the truth. They say, I'ma tell you the top stories of the day. Wow, I gotta ask you about Tupac. He would use, he would say MOB, you know, he always, which we, I tell you all the time, it could be money over bitches, but it could also be member of the Bloods. There's a lot of different things, but he would wear red, he was hanging with sugar, people affiliated him with the Bloods. Give me a lowdown. The Pyroos. Yeah, with the Pyroos. So MOB, his was money over bitches. That's what he stood for in his life. Okay. What you thought was created, he was an artist. And through this artistry, he dealt with Dre, he dealt with Snoop, you know, and he was influenced a lot, you know. We have so many, no matter how brilliant we are, we have so many insecure characteristics. And everybody wanna be with a winning team. You walk by yourself, but when we walk in this, a hundred of us, you wasn't banging yesterday, but now your chest stuck out because everybody wanna be a part of a winning team. You know what I'm saying? So when did nobody else accept him, when they threw him away and put him in jail, she came and got it. So he dealt with loyalties, like when nobody else fucking with me. Nah, nah, nah, nah, I'm hot. Was it Mike Jones? Yeah. But you bring up a valid point. Sugar, when you say sugar, that's who we seen him in the car with when he gets shot. And people say when he dies out there, he shouldn't have got in the gang business when they see him fighting at the casino that night. He should have stayed out of gang business, man. I wish he didn't go. He's with the people that he was loyal to at that time. Everybody can always, it's some niggas gonna tell me, oh man, I knew when he wasn't nothing. He's something out of him. You feel what I'm saying? Man, he should have stayed with Sapphire. You know, I don't know why he married that Jamaican woman. You know, I don't know, seriously. You say she cooked good, I don't think she cooked that good, you know? So we always have naysayers. What should have happened? What could have happened? But when it was there, you didn't change shit. And today you ain't changed shit yet. You just got conversation. You know what I'm saying? We can all talk about the mistakes that Shug made, but did he make, ain't nobody honed him and told him how to be successful. He was winging it. Being rich ad hocly, you know? Being loyal to people that wasn't loyal to him. Being something that he really wasn't, he's the only non-gang member. He ain't never, Shug ain't never told on nobody. He was told on him, but he's never told on, he kept the code. Wasn't I ever been told on y'all asses? To Park was like I said, he went and got Park, it was basically a thing to me where when Park came home and started doing that music, man, you heard him on, now I heard him on his first music and it was good, don't get me wrong. But when he got out of jail, when he got out of prison, he did that double CD, you know what I mean? That thing was so crazy, it didn't, you didn't have to skip now song. A lot of times the East Coast don't really even, talk about it, of course, a lot of the record labels and stuff stay away from it, but it was one of the hardest albums that you will hear when you hear, I wonder why they call you bitch. You know, all these songs is on this album, man. I won't deny it, I'm a straight rider, you don't want to fuck with me. Like all of these songs is on here, you could go song for song. And it don't miss. Yeah, it held something in you, made you feel something. Yeah, oh, I enjoy it. I ain't gonna set up and play with you about it. I can play it tonight and it's gonna go on. Same thing, 20 years later, same thing. It was on to something huge and you know it. Even with Biggie, you know, the 10 crack commandments, I got to give it to the East Coast. I mean, Biggie had his shit, you know. Yeah, Biggie, both of, I believe Aaron Sharpen's are. You know, it's just that. And that competition that was there at the end for show when you started looking at those albums at the end. So it was no accident, both of them killed, that was a plot. That was a plot. You know what I'm saying, get them out the way. It ain't been nothing like them since. I mean, Kevin Gates, all these dudes, they good, J Cole, but don't nobody hold my interest like they did. No, no, no boy. That you can play they records right now to dance. Some youngsters is with it. Park talked about death a lot in his music, bro. That was one of his main subjects was death. And then Biggie's last album was life after death. Life after death. Nobody wants you to tell you dead. No, nobody wants to do it. Like, why, man, thank you so much, man. I always enjoy the conversation, man. Again, we got to end this thing right. Like how can people get a hold of you if they're looking for Ayatollah Ma. Ayatollah Ma, the Jamaican Queen just showed me, I got an Instagram page, shit, I'm on it. Pops Grove Farms, I'm elevating, I'm creating. Messing with Balls Talk 101. 101 is a basic college intelligence. When you gotta go through 101 before you even get a PhD or EHD or BS or anything, you gotta go through 101. Boom. So we're giving you the basic letter of intelligent verbalization every time. I mean, it got bad motherfuckers like me. I just look like this, man, I got some shit. So Pops Grove Farms, Ayatollah Ma on YouTube. I'm getting back on YouTube. I had a channel and my feelings got hurt with some of that bullshit y'all was talking. And I had to, my feelings get hurt easily. And fuck with me if you want to. But yeah, I'm on Facebook. So I'm gonna, and if you want to fuck with me, just get in contact with Balls Talk 101. Balls Talk 101, call me up. Send donations and they'll go, shoot me moustaches. Hitting life and send stars up and what's some other things that you get that you get the money for all that shit? Donations, donations. But I'm gonna ask you this before you get off of here, man, like, to have that title and people, it's everywhere now, the oldest living Pairu. Like, did you ever see that ever coming to be a thing? No, no, it just like- You see what I'm saying? I just said it, but I'm the oldest active, I'm the oldest Pairu. Ain't nobody 73 years old, you know what I'm saying? So it became an accolade and some people try, well, man, you ain't this and you ain't that, but you can't prove it. I can prove that I was. I was in Compton before, all of them was born out of Compton. All Pairu says, I'm older than Boba Louie, I'm older than Putin, you know, I'm older than any. The only ones older than me is Harold Bourne and he's Mr. Pairu, that's the general. But he ain't active no more, he's sitting back retired and I took the mountain. Wow. So it's an accolade of me. A lot of people try to look at it as a slander, do that told me the other day, like, hey man, yeah, I see you on the podcast, man. You talk about you the oldest Pairu. Man, look, we had the Pairu boys here on this side. And man, you know, that's the new side. And I said, well, who are you? Man, I'm Stuart and I do this. I said, but do nobody know you Stuart. Shut your mother fucking mouth. Well, you write, you write on G. Come and try to get with me. Shut your mouth. No, man, you different, man. They better sit back and stop playing, man. I told them, I told them, Marvin's in the building, boss talk, one on one, man. We appreciate you, we love you, man. Say, man, if people have to go back, let me ask you this, if people want to make a documentary and they was going to make a documentary about you, but you couldn't say anything about it, what would you want that documentary to say about you? If people wanted to make a documentary about you, and you couldn't say nothing. I'm going to say something, because you're going high on me. No, if you're not here to say anything. Do you have passed on to the afterlife and you're not here? What would you want people to say about you? What would you want people to remember about you? What would I want them to remember about me? That I didn't like kids? If, what would I want them to remember about me? Oh, what? Because they're going to do a show, bam. We want to tell you, this is what we think about the oldest living Pai Rua, Aya Tolomar. A movie or documentary? This is one thing that you would want them to say about you. That I grew up believing in black people and that I carried that all the way to my dying day being unapologetically black. I don't care what Mexicans do, I don't care what Chinamans do, that's their platform that I try to liberate and recreate as many black minds as I could. And to do the best that I could to, if I couldn't, a lot couldn't get one. And if, before I die, if I could just get one to elevate themselves, that Pax said, with all the millions of people I got, if I could just get one to turn around, you know what I'm saying? So it's just that one to have us, not just a life, I'm talking about a spiritual life. You know what I'm saying? In Islam, it says, if you can turn one person to being a believer with their heart, you're guaranteed paradise. Wow. You don't have to do anything. If you can get one person to believe, and not a Muslim, a believer. It don't say, oh you Christian, oh you Jew, oh you Muslim, it says, oh you believer. And if you can get one person, a lot couldn't get one, not even his wife. She turned around and started twerking. You hear what I'm saying? So I think that, I believe, that's what I want you to know about me, other than anybody else that I tried. Wow. You know? It may not accomplish, but I tried. You know? Man, thank you so much. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101, where the boss is talking. And we out.