 And you're welcome back to the breakfast on Plox TV Africa. It's now time for Off The Press. Let's say hello to our guest this morning, Mr. Nikola Wally. Good morning, thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. Fantastic. Let's begin with the papers this morning, The Daily Trust. The headline says, testing isolation centers shot in states despite imminent COVID-19 third wave. The PSC says, FG may apply segmented lockdown. FCT, six states on red alert. Why Nigeria is at risk, NCDC. Suspendaba, committee advices Emias. Also, The Daily Trust, bullets alone can stop mandatory other crimes, that's according to Jonathan. 14 Qdin Oshun, four injured in Abuja Road, crashes. Salah, travelers in mad rush for air tickets. Also, The Daily Trust, 15 policemen, 10 bandits killed in Zamfara, Niger attacks. Corpse repel attack on community. Bandits, leader, freeze hostages, dad released. Presidency Kuka Tangu over US Congress comments. Despite 1.5 trillion Nara funding, power firms still unable to deliver. Those are the stories we're taking on The Daily Trust. All right, to the punch, newspapers. The big one on the screen there. It's on e-transmission of results. Buwari's aid defends rejection. NBA, others say resolution illegal and selfish. Senate Listen to Communications Commission, cited risk of hacking, says Ujjudo. And also National Assembly has tied INEX hands, belittled electoral commission, says the NBA. We can also see here that any legislation that whittles down INEX independence is non-constitutional, and that's from SANs. We can still on the punch, federal government plans, 12.3 billion naira subsidy for 2 million farmers. Echo us, councils, Nigeria, to raise vats on hotels and others. And external reserves dropped by $180 million in two weeks. Still on the punch, newspapers this morning, commuters grown as RAM sellers and buyers block Lego Sibadon Express weighing. 16 killed in Oshoong crashes. FRSE blames wrong overtaken. And court fixes Igbo's AIDS trial for salad day. Still on the punch, command goes after Zamfara Godman as bandits kill 13 policemen. Lego's assembly, CSO, and others brutalized lawyer over a council poll suit. And we can find here McIndy running one man show, mismanaging in security. Lastly on the punch this morning, CCT chair, Sue, Senate, and victim questions National Assembly's powers. Those aren't the big ones on the punch we're taking this morning. On the nation, states repayment of $2.1 billion threatens workers wages. CBN, to give bridge facility. Above the headline on the nation, Insecurity Ibadon Obas Council, false smacking day. Senators reps explained positions on electoral bill. INEC should use technology. Lego's APC council poll candidates gets flag. Banditry, presidency Knox-Cooker over claims. 1.6 million candidates to write 2021 WSSE. 17 dying Oshoong or $2 bridge accidents. And also below the headline on the nation, new members returning officers free to contest APC congresses. Those are the stories we're looking at this morning. And on the Guardian Newswipers last week this morning, high prices deprive fateful of Salah celebration amid declining inflation. Review import tariffs on imputes to check inflation, says Yusuf. And also currency depreciation is disastrous for imports dependent economy. Also on the punch, Nigeria's 2022 digital switchover target uncertain as federal government slows on timeline. CCT chair Suzla Wan, Malami and others over probe for alleged assault. No herbal cure for COVID-19 yet, NAVDAC insists. Another Nigerian Air Force jet reportedly crashes in Kaduna force reacts. And this one here says you're not doing enough on security Ibadon traditional council tells She'i Makin Day. Good morning. Once again, Mr. Tunde Kolawali. Thanks for joining us. Yeah, thanks for having me. All right, let's quickly start with the conversation on electronic transmission of results. The, of course, a Pontius morning says Buhari's aid defends rejection. NBA and others say resolution is illegal and selfish. And there's also comments with the Senate, says Senate listen to communications commission cited the risk of hacking says Odudu. So let's get your reaction to that first. There was a voting that happened a few days ago that has gotten a lot of Nigerians talking. What, let me quickly say that since the ADC and President Muhammad we are looking to power every day, every time we continue to get one shocker or the other. And this is going to make him into power. Of recent, the whole nation woke up to the reality and the shock of the kidnap of Mr. Nandin Karna in Fahri-Wilke year. Here in Nigeria, we also witnessed the shock of the genocide attack on the open, on the home of Mr. Tunde Kolawali with the structure of his properties, his vehicles and then the use of a test to kill innocent Nigerians by the state security service. And thereafter, we also witnessed the very obnoxious provisions of the Petroleum Institute in which as much as 30% of revenue generated from Petroleum would be used to process for oil onshore in the northern part of the country. That was the project that then Muhammad Wawari started when he was immediate of state. That is what the ADC and President Muhammad Wawari have again run down the neck of the Nigerian people through this PID bill. We will recollect that before the last election there was also a proposal to incorporate electronic transmission of resource and electronic voting into our electoral system, which the president refused to sign. And then we now have a situation in modern times in which mere transmission of election results has become an issue and has been shut down. And certain persons from certain parts of the country have now embarked on a necessary self-congratulation that they have made it so for store and I mean the use of, I mean the use of transmission of electronic to transmit results. They are also beating their test that they have been able to get as much as 30% for onshore petroleum prospecting in the northern part of the country. And every day we work out the reality that the country or the people in power today are not intelligent and inclusive in governance. The truth of the matter is that the way you look at the constitution under the provisions creating a neck, the responsibility as to get out to manage the election is solely that of the eye neck. The National Communication Commission has no road to play in there. The electronic transmission of results, I think as far as it is, I said one night before, I can't remember precisely now. Let's be discreet with some of eye neck. We have for me an objective matter. If eye neck should decide like, when we conduct this result, we want to transmit it both manually and electronically. We don't feel required to even make any law to back that up. It's a safety thing. It can be part of the manual, a protected manual that I make you prepare and distribute to those staffers who participate in the conduct of the election. More importantly, you are aware that eye neck is better than using the card reader. And it is being used all over the country. When you swap your voter card against the card reader, what does it do? It goes to the eye necker's quarter to reach some server in there to confirm that whether you're a bona fide registered you bona fide registered for the voter or not. If the card reader is being used all over the country, without any debate when in there as regards whether the country has a total data coverage or network coverage, why should the use of electronic to transmit results now be an issue? And if we that as an issue, do you know after the polling officers have collected the result of the election of the data polling booth and the respective party agenda style, you can use the WhatsApp platform to take the picture of the election on the worksheet and then transmit it, send it to the local government that cut away election has been collected and from the local government cut out to the safe and then from the state to the sector. You can also, there are also some telephone assets that don't require any network. They deal, I mean, they operate through the satellite. First of all, to write a telephone. Here there are no networks in the country. We can give telephone to write a telephone and send. So we just presiding officers as a different polling booth, local government and state to transmit election results. The reason why certain persons don't want election result to be transmitted electronically is simply because they are not inserted in the free and dry election. They are profited from the demodger and chaotic and very low-cap limited manner in which elections are now being conducted. Anytime the election is cleaned up and we are able to conduct the election in a very, very transparent manner. Most of the people you find as governors today, most of the people who are senators today, most of the people who are out of the position as today, most of the people are counsellors today to be out of business and will no longer be able to win any of the elections that have been conducted in the country. So that is the truth of the matter. All those are given direct decisions making that they don't have the total data coverage in the country with bunkers. And even if it is not bunkers, NCC has no road to play in the conduct of election Nigeria. It is solely progressive of I-NIC. And I say with all my heart that I support that. And I can give it up to Supreme Court that I-NIC does not even know what will be made as regards our elections will be transmitted. I-NIC will clearly make it an effective matter. Well, you've made very serious and interesting claims there. You're regarding your views on this electronic transmission of results. But let's go now to this issue of security that we've been talking about. We have statements from former president, I'm saying that bullets alone cannot stop banditry and other crimes in Nigeria and that the federal government needs to invest in lots of programs. When we take a look at some of the programs that the federal government has initiated, would you say it's living up to expectations? So take Nigerians out of poverty and solve the socioeconomic challenges that we're having. You mean the program against insecurity? Yeah, programs against insecurity, against poverty, against unemployment. There are some programs that the federal government has. So how would you score them? Would you say they're doing enough? Or do you think the government needs to have more targeted programs? There's a one where it says 774,000 Nigerians would be paid to do many our jobs. There is the homegrown school feeding program. There's so many other programs. What I'm saying, how effective would you say those programs have been in lifting up the status of the ordinary Nigerian? Well, if the program were to be working, 30% of Nigerians by now, after six years of this government, will not be out of work. You will also recollect the statutes were published, I think by the Nigerian, I mean, by the International Liberal Musician, not too long ago, that Nigeria has the second highest rate of unemployment in the world. And if you have a population of over 200 million people that continues to grow, and which the youth population is about 50% to 55%, you will realize that we have enormous sociabilities in our hands. What are the methods they have adopted in lifting people out of poverty? We see the trade-off money. We saw the CBN COVID intervention fund. We saw the food program for children in the school. We also saw the CBN 174 jobs being managed by Fethos Kiyamo in the respective local government. And three other programs for the farmers in the different parts of the country. The truth of the matter is that those things are like a drop in the ocean. I take one example. The people of Fethos Kiyamo is asking to work in the local government. I think they are being paid 20,000 Naira. I think it's about 20,000 Naira per month. And they will do that for about three months. Is 20,000 Naira insufficient enough for these people to commit from their respective homes to wherever there may be postage to go and do whatever jobs that are required to be done with the high cost of transportation in the country today? The answer is no. Will that be enough for them to eat lunch and break fast in their respective places or work if they ever have to work there? And how long is this program going to last? It'll be just about three months. And if this program even went or was it even given to those who really need the job, the answer is no. It was distributed among legislators, national union of road transport workers, senators, governors, and workers. So those who badly needed the job, they didn't get it. And then they asked for borrowers to come for the farmers and noras. Just last week, when the federal government released the statistic that they have spent this so much money, I think about six billion on the farmers or whatever in the country and others. The Samas Association came out to refute the claim that they haven't gotten any money close to that, that most of the money is going to the politicians. We also saw what happened with the food that they said to the provider for school children. At the time that children were not brought in their respective homes due to COVID-19, a minister of the Federal Republic of Nigeria said she was feeding the children in their respective homes when she never had the addresses or locations. We had those children who are being guaranteed where they were seen with their parents. So we haven't seen much sincerity in the way and manner this government has said is taking Nigeria people out of poverty. In the country that I know, this is not how poverty alleviation is addressed. With the kind of population that we have, the best way to address poverty alleviation will really be to go to the grass roots, buy tractors, buy a fester, provide good seedlings, and attract the youthful population into farming, into agriculture. So also a negative pull out of poverty, you will need to reorientate the full animal to embrace the animal of Nigeria. So that they can serve to them and then their animals will be better used, not just in terms of meat, but also in terms of a make. And then their children will also be able to go to school and appreciate the necessities of embracing animal of Nigeria. It's all about hot, hot noise, hot, hot air without much being done in some of these places. And then we also want to elevate people to take part of poverty. We need to end back on massive, massive housing projects all over the place. So that we need to earn no money, such as if suddenly a life jacket is there, people who are buying a TV platform for as little as 5,000 Naira, and they were allowed to pay overtime. So that if it was 60 Naira, you had to take more 20 couples, you go and pay to the bank, and then you are cut with the credit. But you will finally pay the money. Some of those properties are being sold for as much as 25 million today. So this government is not sincere about taking people out of poverty. They haven't approached to taking the people out of poverty, the holistic manner, the proper manner, the scientific manner, the practical manner in which it should be approached. And so I agree with Dr. Goodloss, you know, that not much is being done with regards to elevating people out of poverty. It is the politicians and their friends that have benefited from the calling program of elevating people out of poverty. Imagine a legislator buying to shine boxes for people for use in some states as part of the poverty alleviation program. Some are buying their wheelbarrow to elevate the amount of poverty. How a wheelbarrow will elevate the amount of poverty alleviation, you know. Some also buy or cut the motorcycles. I am a motorcycle and let the people out of poverty. Some of the money that has been wasted on some of these programs would have been better utilised due to vocational centre for these youth to learn new skills and new orientation so that they can really work and earn money for themselves. If you seek a manner to fish, it is better than to start giving pieces of meat once in a while to feed themselves. That will not be sustainable. Mr. Akola Wale, before we go, I want you to quickly speak on the issues in all your state where it says that some monarchs have claimed that Sheimakinde is failing with regard to security in the state and they say he is mismanaging the security situation in the state. Quickly respond to that. Do you think the governor has all... Or do you agree with these monarchs? I agree totally. You will recollect that on two occasions I have braided the alarm that Sheimakinde has taken on your part to the era of the La Mugi Yadid Ibu era in which it was the twirlings, the hoodlums and talk that were dictating and managing security in all your state. And when you have those manners of people managing security, you can be less assured that you're never learning to get to secure the environment. Most of the people who are also recruited into the so-called La Mugi Yadid Ibu that they have started, and its political source, the private family that they have built to move back and win a lecture, those are the people that are used as La Mugi Yadid. And you also find out that La Mugi Yadid in most of the Yoruba states certainly are used particularly at Ibu. They are much, much active in the city centers than the forest and the rural areas where they were supposed to be protected by the rural people from the full land, and the land source in La Paz or whether they are harassing them over there. The young man when he first started was supposed to be taken from some of his other politicians. But he has been behaving in all your security, and also behaving like Faiyansha in the first time. Every activity that Sheimakinde is carrying out in our state today is geared towards that he is going to secure the second time using some of his security to put a certain score to rein in potential political opponents. And he is not doing why that consultation with the grassroot people and figure out security should be tackled because if a post of security is coming from a very transition perspective, you actually cannot distinguish between the old Faiyansha and then the man you have in public states now in Ayatollah in the way and manner these people are managing their respective states. And it is a tragedy. You will recall it when Atomadi was there. One of the trends that Atomadi did was to rein in all the private armies of the Atomadi pools and the protesters of this war. For the first period that Atomadi was there there was a relative, relative peace throughout all your states. It is not absolutely, and it is not going to be peace. But the story is totally different today. With respect Makinbi has been treated as he is as well as he is as comfortable as he is materially so two things in a very scientific manner and in a very, very inclusive manner. It is God that gave him power this first time and this first time. If it is also the wish of God that we get this second time he will get it without persecution and we see him in private army on the potential political opponent. Alright. Thank you very much for starting up the week with us. We of course always enjoy your perspective on issues. We wish you a great day ahead. Thank you Mr. Kola Walee. Thanks for having me. It is only a pleasure speaking with you. Alright. Stay with us. We will take a short break now here on the breakfast and when we come back we are going back in history to tell you of things that happened on this day many years ago. Do stay with us.