 Neil says hey guys is there a way to add an external guest to a channel and where she also cannot see the other channels within the team so she can only see what's in that particular channel but why I know I don't question the people asking questions depending on where they are or what they do or who they are you could have a shared channel or that too that too shared or private channels but I mean kind of limit the technology you're creating a separate SharePoint and things like that anyway why don't you just create a new team okay yeah yeah the problem is yeah you give people access to the one channel so with a private it has to be a shared channel because a private channel gives you access to the team and separates out to give more okay whereas a shared channel takes your team and adds the extra person to just one channel so it's a shared channel going out I mean as it's some of the technology challenges in the back end and like what features and functionalities do you need for the technology because the moment you break out into a shared or a private you're going to limit down the tools that you've actually got inside your team to be able to work with them and then you're doing a lot of duplication anyway with that extra person from your team to the other team being a shared channel why not just create you know another team frankly we got all the features and functionality and with a shared channel you also have to assume that the external party is willing to do a B2B trust to your active directory because that's part of a shared channel right that was gonna make that point there's more more work that has to be done and whether your organization and their organization will allow that trust to be put in place versus just add them as an external guest to a site which is a lot easier you still gonna have to organizationally allow the external guests but fewer hoops to jump through then with the shared channel so again it goes back to like so many of these questions it depends what are you trying to do here this is where we don't have the benefit of follow-up questions to Neil the bane of most it ends questions yeah yeah we haven't got anyone to grill yeah but this goes back again if you're if you're trying to restrict the view into different parties limit that view the easiest way to do that with the external guest is just to create a new team specifically for that yeah I've had lots of organizations working with the just turning off shared and private because the complexity and then you can't migrate them back again afterwards so if it's only temporary you can't bring them back you know there's the limitations on what you can do the mess it's sometimes create with now you've got another SharePoint people then can't find their information she got another SharePoint especially if they live a lot through SharePoint rather than teams so then there's the duplication of content from one to the other potentially you might as well just have a whole another SharePoint and anyway that's everyone's in there so they just they're just turning a lot of it a little bit off especially when it's dealing with sometimes with externals even with internals so yeah it's I mean there's a lot of cases for it but yeah yeah well a lot of cases for it I actually argue against that is that there's one case for it and it was a very large customer that Microsoft then committed to go and build that functionality and that happens sometimes I realize I'm you know being facetious they're like there are sure many scenarios around that but this is one of those with shared and private channels where it caused a lot of consternation amongst the MVP crowd and and other practitioners that are saying this is more headache than it is to manage the stuff yeah I was just gonna say I don't understand why everybody so stressed about having to build another team or another site like why is that such a big deal right well I mean part of it was just the sprawl of having all of those different teams and it's like look they're depending on what you're doing and I realized that there are a lot of organizations out there where that's a serious problem and there are again add-ons there are third-party tools that can help you manage that complexity of in your left nav of all of those sites and you can pin you can favor it you can hide you can do other things around that and you can have sometimes you just have to rely on search more than than others if it is that complex but there are options that are out there there are options that are easier than the security and compliance and an effort into managing a lot of these features like the shared in private channels there are options that are out there just so you have to look at with a lot of this not can I do this thing but should you do these things and and what are the impacts what am I really trying to achieve what are the business outcomes and they start creating one and then they create more misunderstand and then they don't them because they don't understand what happens in that complexity or literally had one recently where every channel was a private channel in their team and I'm like oh yeah and there wasn't even just one of them there was 20 channels 20 channels and they were all private for each individual I'm going what do you do I don't want that many teams yes sites that's it so it was just I saw it and there was I know I just about had a heart attack and then they were then I started seeing more of it I went well that's they just they didn't get it or understand it they assumed and I'm like I'm your mother's will anyway it was one of those ones right had a bit of a you know and then the next question they're going to ask us how do you archive a private channel that's the next question yeah yeah so there was and I've tried to create you know a planner and why can't I create a planner and I can do it in this channel but why can't I do it in this channel and so it just went on and on and on and on from the questions around it and I'm like guys and well how can we start then merging that all over we'll put it into a new team and well and we'll do this we'll do that we'll fix it no well you could bring in some maybe third party tools or we don't want to spend that kind of money I think well guess you're starting again aren't you so yeah so they probably didn't want to pay for all that training either did they that's right exactly until it was too late and they're in pain and it's then in pain that they call in the likes of me so I just say don't don't do it just don't just just create another team just don't I'm with Sharon just don't know