 Welcome to Toffey TV, joined by Andy. We are going to discuss Jerry Mina and his start of the season. Obviously, the Everton Centre-back situation in the summer was a lot of people hoping that Everton would bring in I had a care tumour, mostly hoping Everton would bring in care tumour or another centre-back. It was no moves, mooted for Chris Moorling who eventually was allowed to go on loan, but the United apparently have said they won't give them to rivals, so that's come out. And Mark Roho, who, again, he wants a big money and again he's come out and said the United wouldn't sell them to a rival apparently. We don't want them anyway so far. So, that left Everton with two senior centre-backs filled to a guilter obviously moved off to Chef United that left us with Michael Keane who was excellent last season and Jerry Mina do. Don't know right when we're seeing him last season, but obviously at the very injury curtailed season. I know you were a little bit not convinced by them as it... I don't think you were pessimistic, I think rightly you were questioning certain things about the partnership before it started. So, in the four games that we've played in the Premier League so far, have you been pleasantly surprised with the way they've worked? Yes, I've been happy with the way they've worked. I still think the bigger test to come in terms of teams you move your bounce and stuff like that. We saw it against Wolves at times, they did do that, but overall we could see four goals. Four goals for four games? Yes, so it's really a good game and I think there has been times where Pickford saved us, but I think overall we've defended his unit really well and I think they've super ticked me well. They've sort of... I think they've now understand the roles, I think that's... I think Jenny Meane has actually become the stopper of the two and Michael Keane is doing the mop-up work if you will. So, it's working quite well and I think they can both dovetail on each other on that because they both preferably would be the stopper because that's what they want to go and meet the edit and they've stopped the man, but I think they've worked quite well. And I think they've sort of developed a bit of a partnership as well, both of them above average on the ball as well, which helps as well. I think we're passing it better out from the back and Keane seems pretty decent, but in years past with Ashley Williams and others, the ball wasn't really getting around well at the back, so that's been an improvement. In the air, sort of there's a rock in the air really, that's the main thing, so yeah, it's going well at the moment, I'm quite happy with it. I think Jenny Meane is actually now starting to get more comfortable in English for the ball as well, don't be wrong. He sometimes makes rash decisions, he's seen a couple of cleansers which have gone to the man three yards. But that's nothing that's been conceded because of a mistake of his really, so I'm quite happy with how he's played. For me, I'll make a bold statement. I think potential wise, maybe not now, maybe they're quite on a similar level. I think he's the best centre back at the club or he could be the best centre back at the club. Yeah, I mean this is something me and Pett have spoken about in the past, is that we see him as like the leader of the bat. I mean, Michael Keane, you know, I've championed him last summer even when a lot of people wanted him off the door. But because I've seen him as a good player in there and Michael, I still think he's a very good defender. I think both of them are, but I do think we need another one, I think it'd be stupid to sit here and deny that we could do with K2 and all some of them. He's got a bit of patience more about to go with these. But yeah, he mean it as hopefully settle down a little bit now. Obviously Marcel Brands wanted him, Michael Silva wanted him and we got him in from Barcelona. But I think that a lot of people maybe don't realise or some people don't maybe realise this. He hasn't played a massive amount of games. No, he may be 24, but you know, in terms of Brazil, he didn't play a lot of the Serie A games in Brazil. He didn't certainly play a lot of continental games in Brazil. He didn't play in Colombia. But the Colombian league is not that great. They wouldn't describe it as a top-level league. So in terms of Brazil, in terms of Spain when he was at Barstow, in terms of it, it's still less than 60 games overall in them competitions. So I mean, he's sort of a light developer in that sense that once he gets to 25 in his prime, that's when you'll see the better, you know what I usually do. But he's not building up a load of games before like other players have done. Like you look at Joe Gomez, for example, Liverpool, he's played a lot of games while he's young. I mean, he didn't do that at the top level. So I think we've yet to see the best of him. I think you can see the flashes of ability. Like, you know, he is really a good one-on-one defender. He's not perfect yet, but he's improved. He's good in the air. And I just say he's a leader. He talks. He can be quite motivational as well. He's a good person to have in the dressing room. So he's a good player for everything to have. And I think we just need to be patient when we first signed him. I wouldn't go and check this. I did say at the time that it was a risk. Because if you watched him in Barstow, I think it was the I-Bar game, where he got B5-4. It was an absolute disaster. But people can have the best defenders of our games like that. But it was just because of his experience level of thought. It'll take him time to get used to the pace of the premiership, how quick the game is. It was fine last season. And the games he played sometimes were playing in a low block against Chelsea and the teams. So that did help. But as you can see this season, he hasn't really put a foot wrong. I think the more he plays, the more he builds a partnership with Key, the more he gets comfortable in England. I think he'll be much better player for it. I think he's got the potential to be a fairly good centre-back. I look around now and just think he's got the opportunity to... He's not as good as very much of Van Dijk, of course. And I wouldn't say that he'd ever be in terms of on the board. Was Van Dijk as good at his age then? No, he wasn't. I think people forget that with Van Dijk. Van Dijk's had this one great season for Liverpool before that. It was at Southampton. So sometimes it takes... He is very good, though. He is. He's 28 now. Very good. But one of me... One of me... I've just kind of used a Van Dijk likeness. It's just because of his stature. And I think he can be massive for us in terms of that. Cos he is massive. In terms of that as well. So, you know, I'm really enjoying the way he started the season. I think he needs to add goals to him. Cos I think the size of me should be scored on goals. I think he will, though. I think he'll do like the last couple of games, haven't he? He seems to be getting ready to reach out. And as you said earlier, that save by me, Pratysio. It was fantastic. So we'll start scoring those goals. He's a weapon off-corner, isn't he? I mean, we've got some of his stats down for how well he started the season. You know, you just need to look at him. You see with your own eyes. It's very good for him to pass on the back. He's had a four games that he's played his part of. The stuff you've picked up on in terms of his passing. Yeah, it's part of, you know. People have noticed I'm actually keen. He has a pretty good pass off. But the only mean is really impressive at passing off the back. Now, a lot of people who use data, who scout, use progressive passes. Now, progressive passes can be different for different positions. For the centre backs, it's passing the ball over 20 yards from your own half into another half. Or pass different deep in your half and he's done that a lot. I looked up to the dates in the Premier League. He's sixth overall this year. Some shows how good he is. Any player. So that's any player, 25 and under. So that's a lot of good centre backs. And in terms of Europe, of all the centre backs in Europe, and players in Europe, people under 25, he's in the top 15. That's including the fielders. He's got high numbers. For his age, I wouldn't say 24 is a peak age yet. He's actually a really good pass for the ball. If he keeps developing that, it offers us something different, because then if you can get players in space. I haven't really done that over the years, where you've got players who can pick a pass through the lines. I think that doesn't mean he can. I think he's going to be good at that. He's a lot of, like the way he switches to play a lot. Yeah, so he's confident enough to drop his shoulders. I know people get nervous, like a Yobol type of nervous book. I think he's gangly, but he doesn't look so good. But he's comfortable on the ball. In the modern game, you need to tend to be comfortable on the ball. He'll smash you 50 yards all the time. He runs with. But it's true. Every player needs to be comfortable in possession. I think he's above average in that sense. I think that's it. It's a good thing to go along with his classic defending. I think it's good. You look at things like he's passing the ball forward, forward 80 in times of game. He's not just laying off to his centre back part. He's getting forward six times into the final third of game. So he's passing the ball through the lines. Basically, if you're passing the ball through the lines, then you collapse in the blocks then. And when you collapse the blocks then, it means you're getting players in space like a woby. They can turn, key and turn on goal. It means teams can't set in the positions. He's basically creating problems for teams, essentially, is what I'm trying to say. It makes me weird. So, yes, it's good things to have a centre back to have me in my Michael Key and be able to pass out from the back. You saw me, you saw that last season with Michael Key and some of the imperfect passes that he was playing through. He was taking out five players because one ball, you're missing it. Rather than there being a long ball, it's a ball into a feat. So if you can do that, you do cause teams problems if you've got two centres. You can start in jail, a lot of jailmen clubs you call back. And it's like really big in jail, and it's not really big over here. But essentially, it's how many times a player packs a player. So by packing a player, you pass through three players, you pack three players, and generally they find the more players you pack, the more like you are to win. So the players are going to pack players and we've got two centre backs. We can clearly pass the ball well. So it's a boon, I think. It's something that you need in the modern game. Are you confident that he can go on and be that leader in our back four? Yes, I am. I think he's going to be a top. I think he could be a top seven or eight centre back in the Premier League in terms of his type of centre. It's a stopper. Good on the ball, good in the air, strong. Not many players pushing him off the ball, hardly really. He just needs to fine-tune certain bad schemar who's excellent with positional coaching. So all them things are positives. I think he's a really good player. He needs his partnership. We'll see how that goes. Maybe he needs something different in game. Maybe he needs something different to mean. We'll see. I'd rather have options than not. You need four centre backs in the modern game, don't you say? I like the... He's got a bit of devilment in him as well. No-one daily shoops him about. No-one's saying anything to the Gerrard. You know, he's seen it. Jerry went Jerry, and he said, I forgot that I see. He tried treatment school. He told them the name. Exactly. You need someone like that. You give for that. You need someone like that. It's like his fear. They don't want them to go against you, because they want to avoid him in a sense. That's what he's providing us. I'm a big fan, yeah. I just think people need the time with him. And I think, as I said, he was a risk when we signed him. He's proving to be a good player now. He's sort of settling in. One thing that did impress me looking through his stats is he's only conceded one file in four games. And I think when you've got that centre back, you're not giving away needless, free-kick, jetty the box, or you're letting teams off the hook by being clumsy in the challenge show. I think that's a really, really important thing. The best defenders are a mix between physical and finesse defenders. Obviously, if it's too physical, you're going to give away a lot of files. If you finesse, players can overall you a bit out of the ball. You need to be a mix that blended the two. I think that he can be that. He's a smart player. He can nip the ball off players quite easy by being in a smart position with his body well to take it away from them. Brawl so he can get that body on body and push people off. So, yeah. He keeps on doing any type of defence, but he's not slow. I don't think... I think... I... I... Maybe I into these things. He's not slow. He's just not the quickest on the team, which is the issue between them. I'll give you... They're not the quickest on the team. You get them out in space against people like a player. For example, they could cause problems, but so far we've managed it well. I think Sylv has managed it well by having them drop off a couple of yards at times. You know, against City, I don't expect them to be near the halfway line like they have been in other games. How about that? That's what you need to do. That's exactly what you need to do. You need to account for the fact that, you know, you've got two centre backs who aren't lightning, which is fine because you can go away with that in the modern game. You just need to be sensible. So... And I think both of them are really, really developing in terms of playing the high line as well. Michael Keane, I don't know if it's not about Michael Keane, but Michael Keane came from Burnley were essentially at a mark of square and basically on the six-yard box or an 18-yard box because he was in the low block all the time. So now, where he's passing the ball from the back, he's playing 20 yards further up the pitch. It's... And they're near for England as well. Yeah, exactly. I think it's only going to benefit them having Michael Silver here. Yeah, most definitely. I mean, yet he's got a 67% shooting accuracy as well. Yeah, he's going to be used to the most corners. You know, we want him to get that up and weigh in with the goals. From, like, a scam perspective, the main attribute I look at for defend is there's two. There's interceptions because interceptions show your anticipation, your positioning. So he's averaging 1.5 in terms of opting, in terms of opting, in terms of wide scouts, it's 4.7. The different definitions of interceptions but they're both good numbers. And then the other one is defensive joules, so one-on-one joules. He's winning 79%. That's fairly high. I know it's early in the season. They haven't played a lot of games. But in the 70s, late 60s, 70s, is where you want to be a vigil van Dijk, Rath of the Land. They have the type of numbers they're putting up as well. So they're the best defenders in the world. They're winning 60s, 65s, 75% of the joules. And that's where he is at the moment. So he needs to keep that up. Michael Keane, 69%, he's also doing well. So they can do that over 30 game season. We're not going to concede that many goals. I think that if you think last season, I wouldn't say we care too much for it because I know he's the miss or pass. It wasn't. I think everyone's just getting used to the system. And I think now they're settled in the system when you're out of some money. If it is a Zoom or someone else back into it, they'll fit in seamlessly because we've got these too. You can sort of take the time, that sense of back-building them in. Now it's been a very good start long way it can sing you. And with you, I think you can just get better and better. Hopefully not just 55 million better because that's the bar, isn't it? 64, isn't it? Listen, he doesn't suit bars. No, he does. He's not a bar supplier, but that's if you want to sell one. But I don't think they will do it because I just don't see it happen. So I think it was only for two years anyway. I think that's where they'd want to go back in. I don't think he would. I think getting me will be at Evan for a good long time. I think it's going to be a linchpin in the team. I think Marcel Brands has been proven right. He will be proven right in this case. I think there's not many, but I know people question many minutes in the summer. We've just got to look after him and keep him fit. That's the biggest thing. He's a big man, yeah. And if they do, we keep him fit and we keep keen and we can add to it in January. Then we'll be ready. Within business army and that. And I think a lot of people's worries were, what if? And so that'll remain up until January and then once you've got the third, and I think Evan will, whether it's alone or whatever, I think Evan will bring someone in in January then. That'll take the pressure off. If you've got the third, then you can obviously start to develop on those. Gibson is your fourth centre back in them. Cos obviously Mason at the moment is a bit hit. We don't know what's happening with Mason, whether it's... I think it'll be gone back then. And I'm a critic. I don't like it when they snog it. I just don't think it's good enough for Evan. I'm going to be honest. Evan, I want to be a Champions League side. Do you ever see him being a Champions League level? I don't like 22 isn't he, so I don't know. I just don't see him. I just don't see him. I'll be honest, but I hope to be. I really hope to be. I'm not saying he will be. No, no. I hope to be wrong. I have been wrong about that. I want to see more from him. It's a positional that I want about. It's a positional sense. Steps out when he doesn't need to. Doesn't know what's behind him. For me, that's the key part of being a top defender. Natural instincts. Natural awareness. Sense and danger. Step it out when you need to. But maybe you'll get it. Well, he's got it. It's a big year for Mason as well. But at the moment, he's our third centre half. We did okay against Lincoln after a rough first five minutes. We did okay, so we'll see. But, Jeri, top, top round here. Let us know what you think in the comments section below about Jeri Mina. Do you think he's done any opening four games? Do you think he can be an important player forever? And how good do you think he can be? That's the biggest question. Let us know. Big thanks to Andy. Don't forget to give Andy a follow on Twitter at El Pavoti FTBL. Give him a follow load of scouting stuff, reports and tactics and everything else on there. Make sure you check him out. Give this video a thumbs up, subscribe if you haven't already. 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